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1 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:27:28pm

Behold the power of the Wingnut Koolaid™.

2 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:30:44pm

re: #1 Gus 802

Behold the power of the Wingnut Koolaid™.

I thought that was Mountain Dew. :(

3 windsagio  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:31:51pm

They just get creepier and creepier.

I like the persecution complex too >>

4 freetoken  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:31:58pm

Playing the victim card again… it’s their only card.

5 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:37:47pm

re: #2 iceweasel

I thought that was Mountain Dew. :(

Hey! I’m drinking Mt. Dew right now.

Alternate title for this page: Passion of the Tea Party

Directed by Mel Gibson.

//

6 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:47:52pm

Yep, victim card…it’s a winner! (see Palin)

Would Jesus have denied unemployment compensation? Health care?

They are so far from Jesus’ teachings I just laugh/puke/cry

7 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:58:50pm

Let’s analyze:
Jesus and his disciples carried funny signs and wore silly hats. NO
Jesus and his disciples had veiled alliances with racists. NO
Jesus and his disciples spread misinformation and divisive rhetoric. NO

NO, I don’t believe they are the same. Besides, Jesus wasn’t a tea bagger, he was a cross maker!

8 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:17:25pm

re: #7 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Let’s analyze:
Jesus and his disciples carried funny signs and wore silly hats. NO
Jesus and his disciples had veiled alliances with racists. NO
Jesus and his disciples spread misinformation and divisive rhetoric. NO

NO, I don’t believe they are the same. Besides, Jesus wasn’t a tea bagger, he was a cross maker!

Ha!

Stanley Sea beat me to it above.
What Would Jesus Do? — Wear a tricorner hat and freak out over caring for the poor and sick, apparently.

9 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:19:56pm

Right, go ahead and belittle the persecution of Jesus’ (a.s.) now, TP’ers.

Ugh. What next?

10 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 12:12:56am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Right, go ahead and belittle the persecution of Jesus’ (a.s.) now, TP’ers.

Ugh. What next?

Let’s also set aside for the moment the glaring hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness, and let’s also set aside all questions about religion and about Jesus, either the historical or the putative religious character.

Let’s consider what they are saying: mocking the tea parties is just like the forms of execution involving whipping, scourging, hanging someone from a cross by driving nails into their wrists and ankles, often breaking their legs, and leaving them up to die slowly over the course of days. Sometimes they’d break the persons legs too, for fun.

Death occured by various means over a period of hours or days, possibly suffocation eventually— the victim was suspended with the full weight of his body hanging from his wrists.

This happened to lots of people as historical fact.

It’s disgusting, even without the religious theme, to claim that the teabaggers are being ‘crucified’. Warning: the wikipedia link I gave is not for the faint of heart.

11 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 12:17:10am

re: #10 iceweasel

Let’s also set aside for the moment the glaring hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness, and let’s also set aside all questions about religion and about Jesus, either the historical or the putative religious character.

[…]

It’s disgusting, even without the religious theme, to claim that the teabaggers are being ‘crucified’. Warning: the wikipedia link I gave is not for the faint of heart.

True that. So true.

Man, you weren’t kidding about the Wiki page.

12 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 12:31:13am

re: #11 CuriousLurker

True that. So true.

Man, you weren’t kidding about the Wiki page.

I think it’s really important, actually, that people remember that crucifixion wasn’t some specially awful means of execution designed only for “jesus”— no, it was the law of the land. Several lands in several places at several times. There are probably many harry potter fans around who don’t realise that the crucifo curse is supposed to mean ‘extreme torture’ and this is where it derives from. Torture itself has a root meaning ‘to twist’ IIRC.

One of the primary purposes of it was as a warning and to inflict extreme humiliation on the victim.

To be honest, I have always been disgusted by the way it’s been pretended, by some, that this means of execution was ‘special’— no, it was not. Specially awful and specially terrible, in the real senses of awful and terrible, yes. Uncommon? No. In fact, for christians, the original meaning is often lost: within the christian system and the historical reality, this means of execution is now supposed to convey how ‘special’ jesus was— they overlook or forget that it happened all the time, and even the gospels are making the point that he was executed in the manner that a common thief would also experience.

This was one of my big problems with Mel Gibson’s movie. That might need a separate page at some point, though.

13 angel Graham  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 3:08:52am

re: #12 iceweasel

Thank you Iceweasel.

I have been a Christian for many years, and knew what you have stated in the above post. You are very correct and yet so many Christians DO want to assume that Jesus was the first and only person crucified. That link was very informative. I learned a few more things from it I wasn’t aware of. I did however know that it was more likely the wrists and not palms of hands where he was nailed.

I’ve been lurking here at LGF for quite awhile and this is my first time to post. Thank you for making it something worth my posting about. *smile*

14 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:21:18am

re: #13 sadangel

Thank you Iceweasel.

I have been a Christian for many years, and knew what you have stated in the above post. You are very correct and yet so many Christians DO want to assume that Jesus was the first and only person crucified. That link was very informative. I learned a few more things from it I wasn’t aware of. I did however know that it was more likely the wrists and not palms of hands where he was nailed.

I’ve been lurking here at LGF for quite awhile and this is my first time to post. Thank you for making it something worth my posting about. *smile*

Hi sadangel, I’m glad if I could help you make that jump from reading to posting. ;) It can be daunting, I know.

Thanks for not reacting angrily; I was fearful that some Christian might be offended by what I was saying— none of it is meant to be offensive at all. I’ve always thought that it’s a real loss that this isn’t remembered or talked about more: within Christian theology it’s central that Jesus is supposed to be the word made flesh, the son of god who becomes man and suffers and dies. The whole point of this is that he becomes an ordinary man (in so far as possible given divinty etc) who suffers what was then an ordinary, — and horrible, and terrible— fate. But that’s necessary under the terms of the doctrine— he doesn’t get born as a rich man or a prince, he doesn’t spend his time preaching to the rich or select audiences, he’s supposed to be the redeemer for all of mankind, right?

You know. He’s supposed to be the son of a carpenter born in a stable and all too. It seems to me like a perversion to forget all this.

Also, and finally, the cross as symbol for the early christians was as much a political act as a religious one— protesting against the Roman Empire and its treatment of those under its control. Typically Roman citizens were exempt from it as I remember, (although it was also reserved for enemies of the state/treason).
So: political symbol not merely religious one, meant from the beginning to protest the oppression of the common man— and it doesn’t detract from the Jesus story one bit to point all this out, it adds to it.

But it does detract from it and the whole meaning to pretend otherwise. And it sure as hell detracts to pretend that making fun of the tea parties is treating them ‘just like jesus’.

Thanks for reading this, if you do. Hope you’re enjoying it here.

15 angel Graham  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 12:52:18pm

re: #14 iceweasel

Well said yet again. No anger here at what you have said. I agree that it does detract from it all to pretend otherwise. Also, it irks me to no end when people claim they are being treated ‘just like Jesus.’

I am enjoying it. I tend to read more than respond.


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