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1 Bob Levin  Feb 15, 2011 12:10:50am

Sounds like he wants to bring back the Rockefeller side of the Republican Party.

No political party or philosophy is entirely monolithic. But the conservative agenda does include a commitment to lower taxes, reduced government regulation, resistance to environmentalism, support for military intervention overseas, the right to bear arms, tough anti-immigration policies, and opposition to abortion and gay marriage.

The placement of this paragraph is interesting, making it appear to be the words of Terrence George, a Brown sophomore. But I believe it’s the voice of the author, Joan Vennochi.

If the course is properly done, then they will begin with John Locke, Edmund Burke, and John Stuart Mill. And if you begin there, it’s not inevitable that there is resistance to environmentalism—because it’s possible to design and produce environmentally friendly technology—and make this a good business. Being environmentally conscious is good business. Being aware of workers rights, also good business. Having a global view of the economy, good business, again.

The other day two large oil tankers were taken over by pirates—this is a job for the military, to defeat the pirates and return the tankers.
Responding to a Causus Belli is not the same as colonialism or imperialism.

There is no reason for an anti-immmigration stance, since so many cultural innovations come from immigrants—however, a conservative might want the immigration process accelerated a great deal. This would reduce the need for immigrants to come here illegally, and it would make their wages and salaries taxable.

Nor does conservatism necessarily have to go to any stance at all regarding gays and abortion.

That’s why they have the course, to raise the level of debate and once again give this country a viable two-party system.

But if the course sucks, then it will take the political position of the Tea Party and try to give it some type of credence.

2 lostlakehiker  Feb 15, 2011 8:45:12am

The philosophical heart of conservatism is the tragic view of life…that utopia is impossible, and that when we try to form a more perfect union, to provide for ourselves and posterity the blessings of liberty, etc. etc, we should be cautious. First do no harm.

There’s nothing there that’s incompatible with preserving the environment. Especially, nothing incompatible with preserving those aspects of the environment we depend on for our food and health.

The principle of first do no harm applies nicely to climate change. We should proceed cautiously here, and not trust to the future for some magic geoengineering solution.

If the day comes when we must throw that Hail Mary, we’ll have to throw it and see how it works out. But that’s the radical solution, or radical failure, depending if it works. The true conservative is loath to roll the dice for that kind of stakes. Better to find ways to limit CO2 emissions in the first place.

3 Laughing Gas  Feb 15, 2011 9:40:40am

I’m sorry, but that idea that conservatives believe that utopia is not possible; that’s not true. They believe in utopia; it’s just that their utopia is different from the Left’s. From everything I’ve read, the Right has it’s own version of utopia (whatever fantasy of the founding of the nation they have). Remember, the original idea of utopia came from ancient Sparta (no freedom, slaves do all the work, military training from childhood to death—definitely more a right-wing or communist way of thinking about utopia than a mainstream liberal one).

4 Bob Levin  Feb 15, 2011 11:44:16am

re: #3 Juice

Today’s conservatism is a caricature, devoid of any past, and kind of real philosophical basis. And there is no one voice, one way. I don’t even know where that comes from. When I grew up there were Republicans and Democrats, not liberals and conservatives. There were conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, and this was an accepted fact.

I might be wrong, but I interpret Lost’s statement about utopia to be a reference to Thomas Hobbes.

This stuff should be in that course. There was a time when political discussions centered around man in the ‘State of Nature’. In other words, without government, will mankind act like a fool or a noble creature? Hobbes thought man would act like a fool, hence the need for government. And this is why utopia, according to Hobbes, would not be possible. Utopia requires no government, but if you take away government, the fools will never make life utopian. This isn’t a major point. None of the State of Nature discussions are major. It just helps you to understand the philosopher in question.

I’ve cited English philosophers, but the French were also involved in this discussion. You see, this can be a very good course. And if you really don’t like the modern right wing, you’d love a good course on conservatism.

5 Bob Levin  Feb 15, 2011 11:52:01am

re: #2 lostlakehiker

Do you really think there is such a thing as true conservatism? Is global warming a political issue, or is it and engineering issue, a marketing issue? A business issue?

Just like the spinning wheel fit so beautifully with the loom, what if someone invented a solar powered device that would charge an electric car, regardless of weather? Would you buy that kit?


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