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1 RanchTooth  Sat, Apr 23, 2011 7:42:52pm
“Here you go, sonny. Get to know your place. ‘Cause in this here land of opportunity, you ain’t worth sh*t to me and my kind.”

Well, I mean look! It’s a FOSTER child. Their real parents didn’t even want them. Obviously, they should have no say in how their dressed. But why stop at clothing? Second hand food! Second hand bedding! Second hand education! Imagine how much money the state of Michigan could save…

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2 Cankles McCellulite  Sat, Apr 23, 2011 8:27:11pm

Yet another proposal that these far right republicans have come up with that i don’t understand. A while back, i was confused about the push for repealing child labor laws, so i decided to investigate their reasonings. Boy that was a mistake.

3 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 1:39:30am

I wish i could say I was surprised

4 Archangelus  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 5:44:08am

Is it wrong that I kinda wish I could meet the “people” (and I’m stretching my definition of the word here) behind this and knee them all repeatedly in the groin?

“I have categorized this as “crime” because it is a crime against the ideals I was brought up to think characterized the United States” - couldn’t agree more, this is some F’ed up S right here…

5 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 7:13:20am

That legislator’s reasoning….”I never had anything new.”

I read this article yesterday and was so incredibly disgusted yet again with Republicans. This guy claims that it will save the state money. In looking up how much is paid per foster child, there is a monthly stipend to the foster parents for food and shelter, etc., and there is a twice a year stipend specifically for clothing of around $100. Unless they cut that clothing allowance (which I didn’t see any mention of), the same amount of money will be spent, only these kids who already have had their world knocked upside down by being taken from their parents will now have the added joy of shopping for used clothing.

I don’t know about you, but when I’ve gone into thrift stores looking for a bargain, there aren’t many to be had in the way of clothing. I can get something new for the same price at a thrift store from sales at Target, Wal-Mart, Kohl’s, and even some of the big department stores.

What a dickhead.

6 elizajane  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 7:23:02am

re: #5 Sionainn

I don’t know about you, but when I’ve gone into thrift stores looking for a bargain, there aren’t many to be had in the way of clothing. I can get something new for the same price at a thrift store from sales at Target, Wal-Mart, Kohl’s, and even some of the big department stores.

What a dickhead.

The point isn’t to save money. The point is to force these children to enact their own permanent second-class status via second-hand clothing, so they can get used to it.

I remember when I took my older kids clothes-shopping for the first time, at a bazaar in Kazakhstan. They couldn’t believe they were getting NEW clothing. They’d never had any before, living in the orphanage. It was a huge big deal.

That was in Kazakhstan! Are we trying to become Kazakhstan??

7 calochortus  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:13:30am

re: #6 elizajane

That was in Kazakhstan! Are we trying to become Kazakhstan??

Apparently so.

8 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:20:11am

re: #6 elizajane

That was in Kazakhstan! Are we trying to become Kazakhstan??

Why so glum? Republicans provide cultural learnings of America Kazakhstan for make benefit glorious nation of Kazakhstan America.

9 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:24:06am

A well-made piece of new-clothing can last longer and be a better economic deal for the family than a second-hand one.

This is typical GOP stupidity. It’s cruel and doesn’t even make economic sense.

10 elizajane  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:36:52am

re: #9 Obdicut

A well-made piece of new-clothing can last longer and be a better economic deal for the family than a second-hand one.

This is typical GOP stupidity. It’s cruel and doesn’t even make economic sense.

Actually, a really high-quality piece of second-hand clothing is generally a better investment than a cheap item from Target. It’s how I always shop for myself. But that’s not the point. What matters here is saying to already marginalized kids and teen-agers, who are so vulnerable to these things, “You can wear your classmates’ cast-offs. That’s good enough for you. You can’t buy this year’s fashions.”

To be fair (which I find difficult on this subject!) I figure that this Michigan guy has never had kids, or has never clothes-shopped for them, and doesn’t realize that new clothing today is seriously cheap compared to his own childhood. He hasn’t put two and two together on those “jobs shipped overseas” and the price of jeans at Target. Americans purchase huge amounts of new clothing, compared to the past and to the rest of the world today, because it is so relatively inexpensive.

11 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:39:21am

re: #10 elizajane

Actually, a really high-quality piece of second-hand clothing is generally a better investment than a cheap item from Target.

Yeah. But a high-quality piece of new clothing is a better investment than a cheap second-hand piece from target. That’s what I meant.

And yes, you’re entirely right. There is no point this makes economic sense.

12 elizajane  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:44:36am

re: #11 Obdicut

Yeah. But a high-quality piece of new clothing is a better investment than a cheap second-hand piece from target. That’s what I meant.

And yes, you’re entirely right. There is no point this makes economic sense.

Where I live, the second-hand children’s clothing stores won’t even accept used things from Target & other inexpensive retailers because the prices of those items are already so low when they’re new that there is no profit to be made in reselling them at a still lower price.

As you can see, I’ve played every side of the kids’ clothing market! And this man in Michigan is just an ignorant buffoon.

13 nines09  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:56:26am

Really? How low can you go? I’ll bet even lower.

14 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 9:47:39am

re: #10 elizajane

Actually, a really high-quality piece of second-hand clothing is generally a better investment than a cheap item from Target. It’s how I always shop for myself. But that’s not the point. What matters here is saying to already marginalized kids and teen-agers, who are so vulnerable to these things, “You can wear your classmates’ cast-offs. That’s good enough for you. You can’t buy this year’s fashions.”

To be fair (which I find difficult on this subject!) I figure that this Michigan guy has never had kids, or has never clothes-shopped for them, and doesn’t realize that new clothing today is seriously cheap compared to his own childhood. He hasn’t put two and two together on those “jobs shipped overseas” and the price of jeans at Target. Americans purchase huge amounts of new clothing, compared to the past and to the rest of the world today, because it is so relatively inexpensive.

Daughter and I also shop on occasion at thrift stores, consignment shops, etc. But as you say, this isn’t the point.

I worked with a woman who fostered 2 preteen/early teen girls for several years. She was a clerk, didn’t make the big bucks, but she found it in her heart to open her door to these 2 girls who needed a responsible adult in their lives.

Each Christmas I would give my co-worker two $20 gift cards, or I would wrap up 2 wallets or 2 coin purses each with a $20 bill in it, for her girls.

These children had NOTHING. Nothing. That $20 for each of them meant a heckuva lot more to them than it would have meant to my daughter who has everything she wants or needs, and then some.

This proposal penalizes not just the children, but also those folks whose hearts are large enough to take in foster children.

I’d be curious to know if this guy has a good friend or relative who owns some thrift stores.

15 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 10:14:22am

re: #13 nines09

Really? How low can you go? I’ll bet even lower.

IN the words of Cyrus the Virus, “They’re somewhere between pond scum and that white stuuf that forms on the corner of your mouth when you sleep.”

16 navi  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 3:29:51pm

Comment from Michigander, with kids in Foster care: yes, I DO want my kids. No I don’t do drugs. Never did. The way they give clothing allowances is through gift cards to stores. I remember lamenting the fact that when I was on welfare, I had to get my clothes from Sears. Second Hans wasn’t an option. I was waitressing…. I didn’t need brand new clothes. They do the same thing for foster kids. They get a gift card. This is in addition to the money the Foster parents get IF they are licensed. Sometimes the gift cards are used because the Foster family is not yet receiving funds. They would only save money if they received similar discounts as they get from stores, and I’d they purchased smaller amounts.

A greater travesty is that MI tries to fast track the termination of parental rights, in order to get federal aid, to save money. They failed to have enough evidence to do this to me.

17 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Apr 24, 2011 8:43:53pm

What’s next? Making them beg on the street for gruel? Please sir, I want some more?

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 25, 2011 2:51:18am

re: #17 moderatelyradicalliberal

What’s next? Making them beg on the street for gruel? Please sir, I want some more?

What’s next is the poor fighting back. I hope.

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 25, 2011 2:51:36am

re: #13 nines09

Really? How low can you go? I’ll bet even lower.

eventually people have nothing to lose!


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