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1 windsagio  Jun 21, 2011 4:18:08pm

Building a claim to a city (or territory) based on ancient archaeology is wrong whomever does it.

2 Buck  Jun 21, 2011 4:26:28pm

wrong huh?

Always? In every case? No exceptions?

How many people think that Jews arrived in Palestine only after WW2? How many people think that Palestine was given to the jews by a guilty world in order to right a terrible wrong?

Well, I think it is relevant that there have been jews there continuously for more than 3000 years.

3 windsagio  Jun 21, 2011 4:50:29pm

a little high emotion there, eh buck?

I’d say that additional digs wont’ change anything in that regard, as there is a long established historical record here, stronger than any archaeological dig.

It’s very telling that people feel the need to play this game anyways and ‘prove’ what people either already know to be true or won’t believe no matter what.


In addition, while interesting, what happened 3000 years ago is almost totally irrelevant to the reality on the ground *now*.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Jun 21, 2011 9:24:29pm

re: #1 windsagio

Building a claim to a city (or territory) based on ancient archaeology is wrong whomever does it.

So is rewriting history and destroying archaeology to create a new narrative in which the people you’re fighting over territory with have no connection to the region.

No matter who does it.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Jun 21, 2011 9:26:35pm

And Buck is correct. An appalling number of people have been fed a load of crap about all the Jews just arriving in a flood from Europe after the war and being ‘given’ the land. This is an extremely effective propaganda program, and it’s happening NOW.

6 freetoken  Jun 22, 2011 2:31:16am

There really is no doubt that the ancient group of people who called themselves Israel originated amongst the Canaanites of the highlands of Canaan, and that their descendants during the post neo-Babylonian empire period inhabited Jerusalem, from whom Judaism as we know it arose. People who want to deny this are only doing so for political reasons.

While modern archeology (as well as other sciences) has disproved many claims in the Bible, that “Judah” included the area around Jerusalem is pretty secure.

It’s also pretty clear from history that even after the Romans had (mostly) destroyed whatever was left of the old Maccabean era and early Roman era Jewish culture/institutions there still existed descendants of the Jewish people (of that era) in that region.

The problem of course is that the area has (for a very long time) also been home to all sorts of people who would categorize themselves outside of that group.

re: #3 windsagio

In addition, while interesting, what happened 3000 years ago is almost totally irrelevant to the reality on the ground *now*.


Sadly there are many conflicts in today’s world that trace their lineage back centuries and even millennia. SW Asia is rife with this, but so is East Asia. Claiming a “homeland” is pretty endemic in humanity, at least from history. It probably started from the basic ape territory nature, but it really took off after the advent of agriculture. The idea of “owning land” has since then become deeply intwined into human culture and is the basis of many conflicts.


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