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1 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:38:50am

Irenicum posted a page last night about an article a former facebook friend of Breivik’s wrote. In it he makes the statement

hatred breeds hate. Never help to spread it unless you are ready to take the consequences

. I don’t think people like Pam and the others truly understand this. They have decided to take on the responsibility without accepting all the consequences. Now if someone did something heroic who happened to be a reader of their blogs, i have no doubt they would take at least partial responsibility for his actions. It reminds me of those murderers who claim to have blacked out and not remember what they did. But no one ever seems to black out when they have done something good.

2 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:48:54am

In the new century far right in both Europe and the US it’s ok to espouse Nazi blood and soil ideology and tribal supremacism, just don’t be an open neo nazi or associate yourself with them in visible ways. It’s done under the guise of protecting culture, identity, tradition, family through white nationalistic tribal supremacism in religious conservative clothing.

3 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:51:25am

Here’s another great quote from the article:

In Geller’s warped world, the only parties truly free of any responsibility for inspiring Breivik’s rampage are those who happened to believe exactly what he believed. Go figure.

4 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:21:33am

The failure to own Breivik is an error on the part of the right-crazies, a pretty fair indication of a guilty conscience, and, perhaps, a sign that his methods don’t really meet with their disapproval to the degree they claim.

Look, Tim McVeigh was a strong advocate of the Second Amendment. So am I. Yeah, he was one of us in that respect. He was also a batshit conspiracy kook, which I am not, but his Second Amendment position was fundamental to his choices and actions. I can say that and still disown him because he blew up a building full of innocent people, including tiny babies. I would cheerfully have shot him in the back of the head myself if they had given me the job. Otoh, If I secretly approved his methods, in whole or in part, I would have a harder time repudiating him and still adhering to the truth.

I can’t prove it, but I think there is some secret cheering going on, or at least some disapproval that is limited to Breivik’s tactical choices and target selection.

5 Mongo only pawn... in game of life.  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:25:38am

It’s quite the trick. Espouse hatred and vocalize the fears and bigotry of others. Call out names and demonize, dehumanize and call for retribution. Praise those who embrace violence and thuggery and mask it as “patriotism” and “protection of all things good. Scream and spit and curse and cajole until you get a reaction. Then wash your hands of what you said, what you say, and who you really are. The fascist bastards who this monster admired now can see the fruition of their labors. They have a hand in it. They are who they are and all who stood with them and spoke well of them are just as guilty as they are. They are no better than a street gang. No better than what led a world to war not so long ago. No better than the Islamist murderers that they say they are against. No difference. None. Zero. That’s what they are. Nil.

6 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:02:42am
Geller wrote, “includes a long diatribe against Charles Johnson, whom he clearly admired until he felt betrayed enough to snap. The killer speaks about Charles Johnson obsessively and wrings his hands about Johnson’s turn to the left. Could this perhaps have been the provocation? Could this have been what caused him to snap?”


7 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:19:18am

In reference to the No True Scotsman fallacy, I posit that there’s two versions of it.

The first (and the one I’m okay with) are moderate christians who point out that yes, there are self-described Christian extremists, but that certainly isn’t what Christianity is (at least their version of it), and they say that with the intent of preventing extremism in their own ranks and hoping other followers will do the same.

The second are the crazy people just like Breivik who are really just deploring his actions only but are firm believers in the ideology behind his actions. They do it with the intent of not getting much-deserved public backlash for being propagators of extremist ideology.

8 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:25:55am

Zero-Sum Gamers.

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