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1 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:00:59am

And banning gay marriage federally is not? Oh wait, the bible supersedes the Constitution, how silly of me.

2 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:56:20am

So is NASA, the FDA, the EPA, the BLM.....

3 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:29:27am

[Silence.] Cunning and shrewd move Perry.
How did i ever underestimate him?

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4 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:01:38am

The top photo, this one? If they were making a film in Hollywood about crooked preachers, there's no way they'd have been able to cast a more perfect actor for the role. This guy could be the villain in a Stephen King novel.

5 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:10:58am

What Gov. Perry is really saying is that he regards being old and poor as unconstitutional.

6 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:12:06am

The 1th circuit court has ruled that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. And they are not the first court to do so. It seems obvious to me this is a power reserved to the states. And I can hold my governor more accountable than I can my President.

7 John Vreeland  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:57:41am

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

The 1th circuit court has ruled that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. And they are not the first court to do so. It seems obvious to me this is a power reserved to the states. And I can hold my governor more accountable than I can my President.

Depends on the state. The US constitution guarantees you the right to redress of grievances, but only against the federal government. The separate states can withhold that right, and it is generally easier to sue the federal government than the state. But the power of each state governor is different, and some are more accountable than others.

Any state legislature can impeach its governor. Eighteen states have procedures for recall elections, and New Hampshire and Vermont have two-year terms. Arizona allows for private petitions to begin impeachment, though any state that allows referendums can technically remove a governor with a carefully drafted law, but the governor's term will likely end before that one makes its way through all the court challenges. Maybe even the term after that. :-)

8 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:30:16pm

Thank you Governor Perry. If he is the nominee, the President can truthfully say that Perry wants to abolish Social Security and Medicare.

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:58:33pm

re: #7 Vreejack

Depends on the state. The US constitution guarantees you the right to redress of grievances, but only against the federal government. The separate states can withhold that right, and it is generally easier to sue the federal government than the state. But the power of each state governor is different, and some are more accountable than others.

Any state legislature can impeach its governor. Eighteen states have procedures for recall elections, and New Hampshire and Vermont have two-year terms. Arizona allows for private petitions to begin impeachment, though any state that allows referendums can technically remove a governor with a carefully drafted law, but the governor's term will likely end before that one makes its way through all the court challenges. Maybe even the term after that. :-)

19 states. Illinois adopted recall procedures in 2010. It's harder than in Wisconsin, but still doable.

10 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:53:06pm

YEE HAW

11 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:22:50pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

The top photo, this one? If they were making a film in Hollywood about crooked preachers, there's no way they'd have been able to cast a more perfect actor for the role. This guy could be the villain in a Stephen King novel.

He already was.

12 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:25:13pm

re: #11 negativ

He already was.

That's precisely the character I had in mind. *shudder*

13 jvic  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:00:10pm

1. If I'm understanding him correctly, Perry proposes to let each state run its own pension and medicare programs.

a. Isn't it a right wing talking point that states with generous welfare benefits become magnets for the unproductive? What happens when you throw in pensions and medicare?

b. What about mobility? What happens when a citizen moves from one state to another?

2. 1a and 1b would necessitate some degree of federal intervention, probably by the legislative and executive branches and certainly by the judiciary. It's not clear to me whether we'd wind up with something better than today's mess.

3. I suspect that Perry fully realizes the foregoing. I suspect that he wants to end government-funded pensions and healthcare but is not willing to say so.

4. re: #8 aagcobb

Thank you Governor Perry. If he is the nominee, the President can truthfully say that Perry wants to abolish Social Security and Medicare.

Indeed. And Question: So isn’t it fair to ask what they did mean? It’s in the Constitution. Perry: [Silence.] will not play well in a debate on national television.

5. Come to think of it, Perry refused to debate his 2010 opponent. Good luck with that if you're trying to unseat an incumbent President.


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