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1 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 12:34:28pm

You do understand that article says pretty much nothing about their goals, right?

Unless you mean this bit.

"What we have in common is that we are the other 99%, that we want people over profit, that we are making our voices heard against greed and corruption and for a democratic and just society," London organizer James Alexander Fancourt told the Telegraph newspaper. "And we are doing that in a non-violent and peaceful way."

2 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 12:48:46pm

re: #1 Obdicut

This speaks to their common interest and attraction. I never claimed coordination.

“We are inspired by what’s happening on Wall Street and loosely liaising with each other, but it’s not organized in any central way,” said Gard, who works as a mechanic on cargo ships.

3 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 12:54:27pm

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

So what are their goals, that you say are so similar?

4 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 1:00:54pm

re: #3 Obdicut

re: #861 Obdicut

Hah. Brilliant. You can't tell me what the goals are, but you can tell me they share them.

Seriously, dude. That's one for the record books.

If you don't know what the goals are, how do you know that they share them?
Repost from the thread except I added the word similarities in the first line.
Enough of defining similarities or goals in your personal terms. That's where we disagree.

If these demonstrations are all so very different, so much so that we must not regard them as having much in common, must regard them separately why do they all choose to associate with the term "Occupy (location)"? That speaks to their common goals and interests well enough for the purposes of discussion. I never claimed they all had lots of red flags or violence.

But they sure do speak in glowing terms of each others Occupy efforts. How do we explain that among those who are so very different in goals or intent?

5 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 1:05:54pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

But they sure do speak in glowing terms of each others Occupy efforts. How do we explain that among those who are so very different in goals or intent?

General bonhomie and solidarity. I doubt they could actually expalin the goals of the other groups, just as you can't explain their goals.

Seriously: You are making the claim that they share goals yet you are saying you don't know what those goals are. That, to me, puts the conversation at an end. You're free to say that they support each other, show solidarity for each other, that's fine. But saying they share goals, while saying you don't know what their goals are, is a deeply foolish argument.

6 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 1:15:31pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Bonhomie is a misleading term given the vast understatement it brings. This is not frat club. But in the case of showing their own avowed similarities and goals I give you this from the Occupy LA web. Paged.

Lets see if I get you here-They claim solidarity, and I'm still supposed to regard them as unrelated or so dissimilar as to defy said solidarity that they speak to themselves.

I'm not the one with the foolish argument at this time. But, It's time for me to go and see for myself. Gotta prep and configure hardware to go and get some non media video and stills. Maybe even get lucky enough to interview some participants.

Bye for now.

7 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 15, 2011 1:18:54pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Lets see if I get you here-They claim solidarity, and I'm still supposed to regard them as unrelated or so dissimilar as to defy said solidarity that they speak to themselves.

You're not supposed to take the statement of solidarity uncritically, yeah. I'm not sure why that's confusing.

You don't know what their goals are. (I believe because they don't have coherent goals). You can't say that their goals are the same.

Saying that their goals are the same is foolish. Saying that you know their goals are the same because they say nice things about each other is also foolish.

8 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:31:01am

Obdicut, our disagreement is you are less willing to see the similarities and common goals from these groups that support one another in open ways. You have tried to put far too fine a point on what I said.

A lack of precise specifics hardly negates a general point.


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