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1 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:52:54pm

If it was Christians that did this, I can’t help but wonder if they were using a copy of the Bible that omitted the New Testament…

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:07:10pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

If it was Christians that did this, I can’t help but wonder if they were using a copy of the Bible that omitted the New Testament…

Um, I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way, but a copy of the bible that omits the New Testament is otherwise known as the Tanakh, the holy text of the Jewish tradition?

Perhaps reconsider your comment in the light of that?

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:09:46pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Yeah, that’s a silly stereotype. NT is just as bad.

half-/

4 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:15:25pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

The behavior of Christians up until the enlightenment didn’t really demonstrate much softness or, indeed, lack of firebombing mosques. Christians using the new testament like billy-oh burned quite a lot of mosques. In fact, they hold the mosque-burning record, I’d dare say, especially since the Mongols tended to spare religious spaces.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:20:29pm

re: #4 Obdicut

And it’s not like NT preaches religious tolerance in the first place.

6 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:09:35pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

Do you understand what you said up there? If you were typing in a fog, and I do this myself sometimes, so I understand—I’ll negate my downding.

7 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:16:38pm

Well, if I were a Muslim in Wichita, I’d be pretty sure that this action violates federal law, as well as local law. If local law seems a bit slow in responding, I’d jump it up to the Feds. If the Feds are slow to respond, I’d form legal organization in the manner of the SPLC, and file suits to make the Feds follow the law. This will work.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:32:12pm

Sorry guys.

I was NOT implying that I believe Jews were responsible.

What I meant was in the Old Testament God sometimes directed his followers to harm and/or kill those who followed other religions.

After Jesus came, things changed.

9 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:33:53pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Sorry guys.

I was NOT implying that I believe Jews were responsible.

What I meant was in the Old Testament God sometimes directed his followers to harm and/or kill those who followed other religions.

After Jesus came, things changed.

Um. No. After Jesus came, Christians then went on to kill large numbers of people who followed other religions, in the name of god.

Remember?

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:42:56pm

re: #9 Obdicut

It seems, in context, df was talking about the content of the books (as (s)he sees it). True, Christian actions are tied to the absence of NT in the first comment, and that is ahistorical, but the emphasis is still on the alleged content. Interestingly, quite a lot of bigoted actions were and still are justified by the OT citations, despite the NT allegedly supplanting it in Christian theology, which makes the symbolical presence of absence of the NT irrelevant in any case.

11 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:15:49pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Well actually, that’s kind of what we thought you meant. So, I’m just going to assume that you don’t understand what you said. But you’re not fog typing.

No, the “Old Testament” is not a violent book. And to understand that, you have to study Talmud.

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:21:04pm

re: #11 Bob Levin

Tanakh, of course, is a very violent book (Numbers 31, just for starters), and no, the Expanded Star Wars Universe Talmud is not some sort of a key without which it doesn’t make sense, it’s a separate religious work written much later.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:28:05pm

re: #11 Bob Levin

(And yes, we’ve had this discussion before, but as long as you make this statement, I will make this rejoinder.)

14 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:07:26pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Sorry guys.

I was NOT implying that I believe Jews were responsible.

What I meant was in the Old Testament God sometimes directed his followers to harm and/or kill those who followed other religions.

After Jesus came, things changed.

Changed how?

15 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:00:42pm

re: #12 Sergey Romanov

We could just have this discussion through ESP. We know what each other is going to say. But that’s cool. ;-)

16 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:01:04pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

See?

17 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 7:25:22am

Ok so apparently I completely failed to find the proper words for the point I was trying to make. I am sorry for offending anyone.

18 Bob Levin  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 1:51:16pm

re: #17 dragonfire1981

No, it’s cool. Don’t drop the discussion. Get into it more. Find the words. Go for it.

19 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 1:56:10pm

re: #18 Bob Levin

Hey, Bob—sorry to interrupt, but I saw this yesterday and it made me think of some of the things you’ve said: Immigrant faiths, U.S. change each other

20 Bob Levin  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 2:35:26pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Yes indeed. That’s how it goes. Then there’s the backlash phase, where the kids say that our traditions have become too watered down, rebel against the parents, become very observant to the point of driving their folks nuts (which is the point). Yet they somehow figure a way to be very observant and still keep going for the latest minivan.

You gotta love it.

Then there’s Lenny Bruce’s take:

“If you’re from New York and you’re Catholic, you’re still Jewish. If you’re from Butte Montana and you’re Jewish, you’re still goyisch. The Air Force is Jewish, the Marine Corps dangerous goyisch. Rye Bread is Jewish, instant potatoes, scary goyisch. Eddie Cantor is goyisch, George Jessel is goyisch-Coleman Hawkins is Jewish.”

21 Bob Levin  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 2:36:06pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Now I have to post some Coleman Hawkins. Watch the big board.

22 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 2:50:15pm

I live here in Wichita, so I’m not surprised. Lots of bigots, especially in that part of town…


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