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1 Buck  Fri, Nov 11, 2011 9:43:48pm

Jerusalem must remain the undivided capital of Israel: Obama

I think that was a similar gaff to the "the right of return".

Maybe even worse, as it was designed to tell the people in the room exactly what they wanted to hear. It was a lie that he had to back track on.

Oh and the quote was "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."

So even if he meant 47.... unless you think there are 48 states....he still got it wrong.

Not to knock Obama, really.... the point I am trying to make is that mistakes happen.

2 palomino  Fri, Nov 11, 2011 10:36:24pm

re: #1 Buck

Jerusalem must remain the undivided capital of Israel: Obama

I think that was a similar gaff to the "the right of return".

Maybe even worse, as it was designed to tell the people in the room exactly what they wanted to hear. It was a lie that he had to back track on.

Oh and the quote was "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."

So even if he meant 47... unless you think there are 48 states...he still got it wrong.

Not to knock Obama, really... the point I am trying to make is that mistakes happen.

So was Obama's mistake a gaffe or some sort of really clever manipulative calculation? One of the weirder things about ODS: its victims often hold two totally contradictory ideas simultaneously about Obama. First, he's a bumbling incompetent. Second, at the same time, he's an evil genius. One would think that extreme cognitive dissonance would attach. Apparently not in most cases. (Don't get riled, I'm not necessarily talking about you.)

Of course mistakes happen. But there's a big difference between a slip of the tongue (saying 57 instead of 47) and not knowing that an emerging superpower, the largest nation on earth, has nuclear weapons. One is a mistake, the other unforgivable ignorance in a presidential candidate.

Anyway the real point of my page is that VDH is no arbiter of "blackness", an insulting notion to begin with: anyone, especially a white guy, determining which black people are "truly black." Also that his article falls back on xenophobic tropes, and that he's turned into a hack, a long fall from his once serious academic career.

3 HappyWarrior  Sat, Nov 12, 2011 6:27:11am

VDH is a hack. He's a smart guy but he's a hack.

4 Rochi613  Sun, Nov 13, 2011 5:16:58am

I am not at all xenophobic, but I think I know what VDH meant. I grew up in way uptown Manhattan, Washington Heights. And everyday going to high school (Hunter College High School, then on 68th Street) and then College (City College of N.Y. in Harlem), I rode the Number 3 bus that went through Harlem an its way to Fifth Avenue and downtown Manhattan. My 'bus friends,' on those very long trips were mostly black people (mostly women) on their way to work (mostly as cleaners of other people's houses). I was a shy, orthodox Jewish girl of 13 who grew up in the world of Torah, finding my way in the gentile world. What bonded us was Scripture, which these folks could quote with ease (as could I). The stories they told of their lives, pithy with meaning, were full of mention of God's goodness and mercy and musical quotes from spirituals. They knew Israel was the Promised Land and that it belonged to the Jews. In 1967 they rejoiced along with me in Israel's victory over its aggressive enemies. No doubt things have changed over the decades since then, but when Mr Obama began running in his first term, I felt the same thing: He didn't grow up with a typical 'authentic' Christian Black experience in America. He didn't know the Bible and he didn't understand intuitively that today Israelis are the Israelites of old and that the Land belongs to them because the Lord said so. His own pastor had preached something else.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 13, 2011 5:25:38am

re: #4 Rochi613

He didn't know the Bible and he didn't understand intuitively that today Israelis are the Israelites of old and that the Land belongs to them because the Lord said so.

Which is a good development no matter how you slice it. Serious policy matters should not be clouded by whatever ancient religious story books of any peoples say.


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