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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 1:17:45pm

>Kosher Restaurant to Close, Thanks to 'Occupy Wall Street'

Thanks to NYPD and their anti-OWS barricades, you mean?

2 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:31:48pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

>Kosher Restaurant to Close, Thanks to 'Occupy Wall Street'

Thanks to NYPD and their anti-OWS barricades, you mean?

ding ding ding!

Authoritarianism and banksters kill more jobs than hippies

3 dragonfire1981  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:32:03pm

“If I have come away with anything, it is that this is not a place that is conducive to small business.”

Truer words are seldom spoken. Wall St. is definitely where the big boys play.

4 Three Chord Monty  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:22:06pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

>Kosher Restaurant to Close, Thanks to 'Occupy Wall Street'

Thanks to NYPD and their anti-OWS barricades, you mean?

No, at least not entirely. I saw flash mob stuff & the marchers were actively inciting the police, who showed tremendous restraint. The few outrageous examples of police misconduct were just that, both outrageous and few. But while the barricades seemed excessive in certain locations, with Wall St. being the prime physical target, what if they weren't there? The potential for a riot is something I'm not sure the police were supposed to ignore the possibility of.

I've been shopping for electronics and accessories at J&R Music World for many years. I went in to pick up a pair of headphones a few weeks ago and the place was absolutely empty. I've seen that place crowded in good times, and slightly less crowded in bad times. I've never seen it as empty as it was. Did Occupy have anything to do with it? Oh, I don't know. But there are no barricades there, and I had a conversation with a sales clerk about it, and...well, we're obviously in a horrible economy. But it's not like it's exclusively high-end. If it's difficult to imagine that people would be reluctant to go there for consumer electronics due to its proximity to Occupy, then I don't know what to say.

Being disabled, and living in this neighborhood, I have never had the difficulty getting around that I've had since this started. I tried repeatedly to explain to them online how this was impacting on disabled people locally, and was mostly ignored. A few told me I should go and talk to them. Well, if I could do that...

...so a week ago I finally was able to do that; only took me more than two months, but that's the way it goes when people who are just expressing their Constitutional rights don't care about anybody else's rights. I was told that anybody who is disabled could just go to 52 Broadway, and they would help. Another example of something that I have to do in order to accommodate something that has made life a lot more difficult than it already is for someone with medical problems. I would love to say that I got the sense that they cared, but unfortunately I have to say that I got zero indication that they cared. At all. I mean, they care about their rights. The idea that what they're doing could affect anyone else's doesn't seem to register.

Zucotti Park is still occupied, and I got caught up in a march just a couple of hours ago, insuring that I had to walk well out of my way, again, just to get home. I'm going to need a mobility scooter just to get around in my neighborhood, something that would never have crossed my mind before this started. I read Matt Taibbi regularly and I'm hardly ignorant to the issues in play here. But I'd like to know what exactly they have accomplished by impacting on those of us who live down here & can only walk with great difficulty that they could not have done without not only having that impact, but not caring one whit about it.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:48:39pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

>Kosher Restaurant to Close, Thanks to 'Occupy Wall Street'

Thanks to NYPD and their anti-OWS barricades, you mean?

No, the blame belongs on the head (or lack thereof) of OWS. If they went away, there would be no need for barricades. The police do have a legitimate need to ensure there is no riot. Most of OWS is peaceful, but there are destruction minded assholes in the mix, and sometimes those jerks try to start something.

6 Bob Levin  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:44:23pm

re: #3 dragonfire1981

And where those hired by the big boys have to eat. I'm pretty sure there are other lunch options in the area. The question is why couldn't they eat at this restaurant. It's also vegetarian.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:46:59pm

We saw some small businesses in Oakland get pretty worked over by the impact of the protests, without barricades. Figuring out exactly who did what might be rather difficult.

Sorry to hear these folks are out of business.

8 BishopX  Mon, Dec 5, 2011 5:36:23am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

OWS has gone away, the barricades are still there.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 5, 2011 5:42:16am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

No, the blame belongs on the head (or lack thereof) of OWS. If they went away, there would be no need for barricades. The police do have a legitimate need to ensure there is no riot. Most of OWS is peaceful, but there are destruction minded assholes in the mix, and sometimes those jerks try to start something.

This assumes that OWS "had" to go away. So the people who made that decision (that OWS "had" to do it) are responsible. Note that the article notices that OWS did negatively affect businesses while it was active, but the catastrophic conditions began when the barricades were raised.

10 Buck  Mon, Dec 5, 2011 10:59:16am

This reminds me so much of the security fence in Israel. When it wasn't there, terrorists had a field day. Put up the fence and terror drops off....So then people want to take the fence down?

The barricades are there to control the crowds. There is no reason to think that the crowds wont return if they are taken down.

If they were taken down and the OWS anarchists started a riot, smashed in the windows, painted their messages and stole from the stores, then the police would be at fault for not containing OWS.

To think that OWS "has gone away" is to believe that the barriers had nothing to do with it.


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