Spanish Catholic Bishop: Kids Trick Us Into Molesting Them

Religion • January 2012 • Views: 2,316

There is outrage in parts of Spanish society following declarations made over Christmas from the Bishop of Tenerife, Bernardo Álvarez.

His comments were that there are youngsters who want to be abused, and he compared that abuse to homosexuality, describing them both as prejudicial to society. He said that on occasions the abuse happened because the there are children who consent to it.

‘There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you’, he said.

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21 comments

kreyagg Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:05:14pm

His victim blaming level must be over 9000.

Obdicut Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:17:05pm

What a sick fuck.

The point isn't if the kid 'wants' it or not, you asshole.

Is it really so hard to just not fuck thirteen year olds?

Lidane Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:17:22pm

I'd say what I think of this bishop, but he's not worth the inevitable ban. =P

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:17:37pm

Evil or dangerous? Evil or dangerous?

Aw, heck. I choose both.

kreyagg Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:23:16pm

OK that sounded better before i posted it. so i deleted it

Obdicut Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:25:10pm

re: #5 kreyagg

A kid consenting is like a kid saying their dad is superman. The kid may mean it but it doesn't make it a real thing. And any adult, any adult, should know that. It is patently obvious to me.

FreedomMoon Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:01:30pm

His statement is overladen with so much irony, stupidity, victim blaming, and denial that it really makes you wonder if it was extracted from an Onion article. This goes far beyond "liar, liar, pants on fire," this shatters the bullshit detector. Cute little innocent puppies die when such rotten filthy lies are spewed out in the public arena, pure driven snow is pissed and defecated on, and helpless babies cry....I could go on. God reading that literally made me feel ill.

aagcobb Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:10:19pm

re: #7 tacuba14

His statement is overladen with so much irony, stupidity, victim blaming, and denial that it really makes you wonder if it was extracted from an Onion article.

It was.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:10:25pm

Fuck you, Bernie. Making excuses for pedophilia is just as evil as pedophilia itself. You kiddie-fiddling enabling fuck, it's people like you that make me wish hell was real.

nines09 Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:14:44pm

"It's them pesky kids parading around in them robes we give them, I tell you. That or I'm a pedophile. Nah. I'm a man of God." Should be stripped of every last vestige of his power and thrown into jail. And tell the other inmates what he's in for. See what happens.

aagcobb Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:15:54pm

re: #8 aagcobb

By the way, I don't mean the article is literally a fraud. I was just remarking on the fact that this dense, evil bishop matched almost word-for-word a parody article in the Onion.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:16:10pm

I keep trying to find a way to say this, and can't quite be as clear as I want, so let me take a stab at it and hope you can read through the lack of clarity:

Psychologically normal adult human beings do not look at a 12 year old boy and feel sexually tempted. If a psychologically normal human being sees that 12 year old in his underwear, the normal thought it, "Get dressed and stop goofing off. Now."

I can understand that maybe a 16 or 17 year old might be visually tempting, but grown adults understand that a physically maturing body is not the same thing as a physical mature mind, and Courtney Stodden is a twit.

But still, if this guy feels that 12 year old boys "tempt" molestation, he's showing us something about himself that is very frightening.

kreyagg Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:23:06pm

re: #12 EmmmieG

But still, if this guy feels that 12 year old boys "tempt" molestation, he's showing us something about himself that is very frightening.

Is it more frightening if he is a pedophile himself, or just willing to downplay abuse or outright excuse the rapists?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:25:22pm

Not sure.

re: #13 kreyagg

Is it more frightening if he is a pedophile himself, or just willing to downplay abuse or outright excuse the rapists?

reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:30:32pm

From a story in a link at the story Charles linked to:

A later statement from the Bishop's residence on Tenerife explained that the Bishop did not intend to imply that ‘an event as condemnable as the abuse of youngsters’ could be justified

Read more: [Link: www.typicallyspanish.com...]

He didn't intend to imply that the abuse could be justified? Then what the hell was he saying, if not exactly that?

I've been having some discussions with some other Catholic friends about these pedophilia incidents, and we are all utterly disgusted with the incidents themselves, as well as the Church leadership's response (or rather, lack of response). They seem to be so comfortably ensconced in their own little, narrow world that they really just have no clue whatsoever; they've lost touch with the human element of their ministry. In serious despair over this right now.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jan 25, 2012 10:22:45pm

"if you are careless they will even provoke you"

Translation: temptations, temptations everywhere. Sooo easy to stumble!

ElCapitanAmerica Wed, Jan 25, 2012 10:41:14pm

I don't see this news on spanish media (although i did a google search news), does anybody have the original quote in Spanish?

Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:24:50am

I don't know where to even suggest the Catholic Church, starts to fix, what are clearly systemic problems. I am moved to pity the believers, who have so been abused. Words fail me.

andres Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:15:22am

re: #17 ElCapitanAmerica

I found 2. One from El Pais, and the other from La Opinion.

This was published way back in 2007.

What, me worry? Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:27:28am

re: #12 EmmmieG

I keep trying to find a way to say this, and can't quite be as clear as I want, so let me take a stab at it and hope you can read through the lack of clarity:

Psychologically normal adult human beings do not look at a 12 year old boy and feel sexually tempted. If a psychologically normal human being sees that 12 year old in his underwear, the normal thought it, "Get dressed and stop goofing off. Now."

I can understand that maybe a 16 or 17 year old might be visually tempting, but grown adults understand that a physically maturing body is not the same thing as a physical mature mind, and Courtney Stodden is a twit.

But still, if this guy feels that 12 year old boys "tempt" molestation, he's showing us something about himself that is very frightening.

You are being very clear, indeed.

The other issue is that children, even at 13 years old, are pretty powerless to say no to an adult, especially a priest who they otherwise have great admiration. So if he's not simply lying to justify his abhorrent behavior (which he could be) what he perceives as willingness is, as you say, the inability of a child to say no.

The good news, if there could be any, is that this generation and probably the one before, is taught good/bad touch at an early age. They may not be able to prevent molestation because of their age, but they do learn it's ok to tell someone about it. That didn't happen when I was a kid.

calochortus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:00:45am

re: #6 Obdicut

A kid consenting is like a kid saying their dad is superman. The kid may mean it but it doesn't make it a real thing. And any adult, any adult, should know that. It is patently obvious to me.

Possibly that's because you are a decent human being?

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