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1 Bob Levin  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:06:04am

Oh yes, I'm all for new models.

2 EiMitch  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:31:58pm

First of all, I'm tired of having to click a link within a link just to read the whole thing.

Second, I wish I never bothered. Why?

Finally, in this regard, the blue model has impoverished our lives and blighted our society in more subtle ways. Many Americans became (and remain) stuff-rich and meaning-poor. Many people classified as “poor” in American society have an historically unprecedented abundance of consumer goods—anything, essentially, that a Fordist factory here or abroad can turn out. But far too many Americans still have lives that are poor in meaning, in part because the blue social model separates production and consumption in ways that are ultimately dehumanizing and demeaning.

Up until this part, I thought the point of the article was that the system is unsustainable. There were times before where this article mentioned how soul-crushing conformist the system can be. A bit off topic, but worth noting. But switching the focus to that? C'mon! I don't need to read a remake of Das Kapital.

But I pressed on. And then I ran into a self-indulgent history lesson for a half-dozen paragraphs before my glazed-over eyes made me stop counting. A history of liberalism from the enlightenment to civil-war and onward is a major digression from the topic of whats wrong with the "blue liberalism" system.

What? It was an illustration of how the definition of "liberal" has changed over time? Overkill. One or two examples would've been sufficient.

I know the "TL:DR" crowd isn't worth appealing to. But dammit, an essay this long can make most anyone say "TL:DR." Hell, at this point, I was about to say it. Its hard to convince people of anything this way. But I continued.

...only to be confronted with the history lesson on how the system was built during the Great Depression. He should've started the history lesson there. And even then, it should've been more condensed. For someone who thinks today's political debate suffers from being stuck way in the past, this author sure seems to dwell back there.

I gave this essay one last chance to get back on track.

Developing a politically successful liberalism 5.0 must start with an understanding of what the people want. ... By and large, American voters want five things. First, above and before all else, they want physical safety for themselves, their loved ones and their property. ...

Second, Americans want and expect rising standards of living. ...

Third, Americans want honor. We don’t want to be dissed by foreigners and we want to be free, equal and in charge of our own lives at home. We don’t like plutocrats, snooty social hierarchies, privileged hereditary ruling elites, or intellectual and moral poobahs telling us how to live. ...

Fourth, Americans want to feel that the United States of America is on track to fulfill its global mission, whatever that is (and our thinking here lately tends toward the fuzzy). ...

Finally, Americans want to believe that all four goals work together: that defending their security, promoting their prosperity, preserving their freedom and equality and fulfilling their global mission are all part of an integrated package and worldview—and that the commonsense reasoning of the average American can understand the way the pieces fit together.

I don't entirely agree, but I was relieved to finally get back to the point.

And then another history lesson. This time, it was about how the status quo lost the ability to meet those five needs. Despite already saying "one last chance," I gave it another.

We’ve wasted too many years arguing over how to retrieve the irretrievable; can we please now get on with the actual business of this great, liberal, unapologetically forward-looking nation?

That was the last paragraph. Damn. Basically, it was all about what we can't do anymore. What can we do? Doesn't say.

3 Bob Levin  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:41:33pm

re: #2 EiMitch

I don't see a problem. Here's a broad outline of the article.

I. The present failures of our culture are based on the realities that many 'socially beneficial' policies are no longer beneficial. This is more than an opinion. There is objective collapse, both economically and spiritually (that's the Marxism).

II. There needs to be a dialogue that actually addresses these very real issues, but--our vocabulary is presently inadequate when it comes to bravely and constructively facing the issues. Hence, the first intervention must be to properly define words. Culturally, we tend to look to Webster for any definition. Practically, we actually need to define words through historical investigation. This is one way to avoid the stalemate between 'liberals' and 'conservatives', between 'left wing' and 'right wing'--because this political discussion, our present political discussion, is between two sides trying to retrieve different eras of the past (and he specifically references which parts of the past).

This is where he stops, right at the frontier that is covered with high growth and kudzu. But, he is saying that it is impossible to move forward while everyone is looking behind--thinking they are looking to the future.

It's a reasonable position.

4 EiMitch  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:00:48pm

re: #3 Bob Levin

The present failures of our culture are based on the realities that many 'socially beneficial' policies are no longer beneficial. This is more than an opinion. There is objective collapse, both economically and spiritually (that's the Marxism).

Um, what did you think I said? That it wasn't happening?

This is where he stops, right at the frontier that is covered with high growth and kudzu. But, he is saying that it is impossible to move forward while everyone is looking behind--thinking they are looking to the future.

Again, did you think I was saying anything to the contrary?

I read the article. I got all that. I was just saying that he could've easily done it with less. He went overboard on details. I'm not expecting bite-sized intellectual waxing, but is it unreasonable to expect something between the two extremes of length?

5 Bob Levin  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:30:35pm

re: #4 EiMitch

It sounded as if you thought he was going off topic and putting in unnecessary details--the like allusion to cultural Marxism.

But this is the article that both he and his editor agreed upon. I thought he marched right through the outline and didn't stray. There are some magazines that rip you a new one for not being thorough, and there are some that insist on a certain length. Looks like thorough is the word for this publication.

If the project is to change the political debate from something close to unproductive to its opposite, I guess you've got to put your waders on.


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