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1 Dark_Falcon  May 5, 2012 4:09:44am

Now fellows, even the strongest union supporter here must concede this is over-the-top behavior by the union. I understand their desire to protect member jobs, but when the union tries to force money out of parents for the privilege of helping their kids school, then i would submit to you that that union needs to be knocked down a peg.

2 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2012 4:16:12am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Now fellows, even the strongest union supporter here must concede this is over-the-top behavior by the union. I understand their desire to protect member jobs, but when the union tries to force money out of parents for the privilege of helping their kids school, then i would submit to you that that union needs to be knocked down a peg.

There is always room for argument on rice-bowl issues. Would you like to join my foundation of retired DoD civil servants to offer free conference support services to our military? It’s the patriotic thing to do.

3 Dark_Falcon  May 5, 2012 4:21:13am

re: #2 Decatur Deb

There is always room for argument on rice-bowl issues. Would you like to join my foundation of retired DoD civil servants to offer free conference support services to our military? It’s the patriotic thing to do.

I can’t, not working on defense conferences as I do. It would likely be a conflict of interest.

4 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2012 4:25:24am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

I can’t, not working on defense conferences as I do. It would likely be a conflict of interest.

Now make the leap to the school janitor that’s trying to keep his kids fed.

5 Dark_Falcon  May 5, 2012 4:39:15am

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Now make the leap to the school janitor that’s trying to keep his kids fed.

It’s still over the top. How about something where it is delineated what functions volunteers may perform and which they may not? This would likely make some staff cuts permanent, but that likely needs to happen anyways in California, given the budget problems. But it would clarify the tasks of the remaining staff and ensure they don’t have to worry about their jobs. Because I get that they are worried and have families, but going after the parents like that looks horrendous, is extremely toxic to school morale, and makes the staff enemies among those parents who might support harsher remedies than the one I proposed.

In any event, I hope this sort of rational conversation can happen at that school district. Because what is not needed is a series of hostile exchanges that result in a general refusal to compromise. This problem needs compromise on both sides.

6 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2012 5:29:47am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Yup. That’s why we call it collective bargaining. Ya’ don’t expect to win at every turn.

7 Dark_Falcon  May 5, 2012 5:40:53am

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Yup. That’s why we call it collective bargaining. Ya’ don’t expect to win at every turn.

True, but some of the issue is this union seems to have forgotten that. They issued demands and then when those demands weren’t met they filed a grievance and are talking about a an appeal to a labor board. That’s not negotiating, that’s “Do what I say or I’ll drop a big costly legal process on you!” That makes the parents angry with the union, and this part really puts the match to the gasoline:

The union argues that the adjunct program is unfair to other schools that lack a similar level of parent and community involvement. At the same time, the union proposes that ALLEM continue its fundraising—to support higher-cost, unionized adjuncts.

That sort of idea makes the parents of ALLEM feel like the union wants to use them like some sort of ATM. Moreover, it means that if the union demands a wage increase, the parents are directly hit up for more money, which they may not have.

8 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2012 6:06:54am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

True, but some of the issue is this union seems to have forgotten that. They issued demands and then when those demands weren’t met they filed a grievance and are talking about a an appeal to a labor board. That’s not negotiating, that’s “Do what I say or I’ll drop a big costly legal process on you!” That makes the parents angry with the union, and this part really puts the match to the gasoline:

That sort of idea makes the parents of ALLEM feel like the union wants to use them like some sort of ATM. Moreover, it means that if the union demands a wage increase, the parents are directly hit up for more money, which they may not have.

It’s an adversarial process, and part of it is street theater. The union’s job is to press for its members benefit using legal means. They expect the same from the bosses, who happen to be public officials in this case.
When I was an assembly-line steward, during college, I had to represent assholes I hated against a supervisor I sort of liked. I didn’t have the right to sell them out. The process would break down if I did the manager’s job.

Dog is talking up a job action if he doesn’t get a walk. BBL

9 Dark_Falcon  May 5, 2012 6:13:41am

re: #8 Decatur Deb

I know I’ll need to wait to get your reply, but what I was saying is that the way the union is going about things here is making them look like assholes and making it less likely for them to get what they want. They want the parents to pay 40% more without getting anything in return other than shoved out to make room for the union’s members. What they’ll get is the parents stop paying anything other than their taxes and those parents who can look for private schools to enroll their children in. This union needs to remember the fable of the goose that laid the golden eggs.

10 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2012 7:45:19am

Unions are human institutions, subject to screwing-up. If they over-reach, the pendulum will swing back until they go into equilibrium with the overall economic/cultural environment. This could be a case. The school system’s answer shouldn’t be to moan about the evil unions, but to hire better managers.


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