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1 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:53:35am

Myth? When economists instead on electioneers look at the issue, it looks very different.

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

Yes, Mitt Romney, you’re right: America's job creators include entrepreneurs and other people with high and rising incomes, aka "the rich."

And yes, Barack Obama, you’re right: Job creation doesn't happen just because of a few wealthy risk-takers with bright ideas. It also requires a surrounding climate that includes laws, infrastructure like roads and schools, and consumers who are able to buy products.

So what does this job-creation reality imply for voters as they listen to Romney and Obama?

It may mean, for one thing, that voters shouldn't be too influenced by any one sound bite. The question, rather, may be which candidate offers the best vision for creating a policy climate for sustainable, long-term job creation.

Economists agree that economic growth is aided by things like school systems and reliable infrastructure. Although they often say "less is more" when it comes to regulation (a view championed by Republicans), they generally say a certain amount of regulation is necessary – such as efforts to prevent another financial crisis (echoing Democrats on this point).

Economists also agree that tax policy will have an impact on the job climate. Here they see a delicate line to walk. America's need now, according to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, among others, is to set a less profligate course for the long run, while not allowing the nation to go over a "fiscal cliff" when Bush-era tax cuts expire at the end of this year.

2 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:09:37am

And this

The fallacy of who creates jobs and the 2012 presidential election
Historian Thomas Carlyle dubbed economics "the dismal science," yet the field covers the interactions between consumers, companies, traders, bankers, markets, merchants, unions, inventors and laborers that constitute the wonderfully complex set of relationships that make the world go 'round.

If we continue to indulge the overblown claims by politicians that they can do anything more than tinker around the edges of global economic forces, then we only have ourselves to blame for misplaced expectations.

3 Buck  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:26:04am

Seriously? This is what you think will stick?

A video from 1980?

He doesn't actually say what is concluded he sound like. In fact in order to harvest a profit (not actually a crime in the USA) he would have to make the company strong and sound. That would incude a whole bunch of steps that didn't need to be detailed. It is not a streatch to think that creating/saving jobs and having employees that are secure in their jobs.

Otherwise you sound like "OMG he talked to investors about making a profit! To the re-education camps with him."

4 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:27:53am

Three for three.

5 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:32:43am

re: #4 researchok

So far...I'll check for more.

You wanted to play...

6 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:33:21am

re: #4 researchok

How petty of you. I only ding your posts that link to your blog because they don't lead to the original links. It's a form of spamming. You have issues.

7 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:40:18am

re: #6 Destro

You're obsessing again.

A more healthy individual would simply ignore the blog- yet you can't seem to do that. You just can't help yourself.

I have a serious question for you: Do you really believe you are the final arbiter of what a blog ought to be? Do you really believe that or is this obsessive behavior have it's origins in something else?

Which leads to all kinds of other questions. But I'm sure you already know that.

Like I said- for now, I will only respond to you.

We can play for as long as you like.

8 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:02:39pm

re: #7 researchok

Talk about obsessing! LOL!

I don't ignore your postings because I like the topics you pick - said so every time - then I click to read more and get thrown to your blog - which adds no insight - and then I have to click an additional link to read the full article.

I read these on my phone - every click costs me bandwidth. That's sucky.

Have a link to the original article and to your blog. That would be ethical.

9 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:18:54pm

re: #8 Destro

Uh, I only responded to your obsessions.

Do I have to explain how that works?

Now, whether oir not you like the subject matter I poswt on is not the issue.

The fact you have such a visceral response is the issue- and a healthy person would avoid anything whichj made them agitated enough to merit a negative response of any kind. Your response also in indicative of a belief you are indeed an arbiter of what is a blog.

Finally, you really don't want to get into a what and what is not an ethical discussion with me.

You really don't want to go there.

In any event, I will respond.

10 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:32:48pm

I already said your behavior on this is unethical (if unethical can be applied to down dinging and blog spamming) - so I did go there.

And I know you will respond. You can't help yourself.

11 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:44:28pm

re: #10 Destro

Mimicry. More confirmation.

Your shrink would have had a field day with you.

And I was referring to your propensity for lying.

As you know.

12 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:48:50pm

re: #11 researchok

Mimicry. More confirmation.

You said you were mimicking see # 4.

So is this a case of projecting your behavior on others?

There you go again making up accusations of me lying. But offer no examples.

13 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:49:44pm

re: #12 Destro

I shall be happy to oblige.,

14 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:04:55pm

re: #13 researchok

I've decided I'm going to play this out ( I also want to keep the post intact).

You claimed you were proud you had no Muslim friends.

Do you remember the context in which you said it and do you recall how you tried to explain it away?

I'm sure there is someone who can remind you.

You claimed I supported the war in Iraq.

Did I?

Now, we can do this for as long as you like.

Your choice.

15 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:12:14pm

re: #14 researchok

Link up or stop trolling. But I like feeding the troll that is you though.

16 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:15:38pm

re: #15 Destro

LOLOL

Are you kidding??

I'm going to take my good sweet time.

I want you to bury yourself in denial before I post those links..

In any event, are you denying what I have said? Do you deny you made those remarks?

I wonder how many pivot and attacks and other forms of denial you'll attempt.

Call it professional curiosity.

17 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:20:42pm

re: #16 researchok

Denial what? That I said I have no Muslim friend? And that I said that in the context of I do not classify friends by religion (which I assume you think is a lie and the excuse I made up)?

So let us say I lied about the excuse I made for saying I have no Muslim friends (and don't want any). Are you implying I hate Muslims?

Then why do I post and comment against Islamophobia like Robert Spencer's?

That is the implication right? You think I hate Muslims by a comment I made that I don't have Muslim friends thus clearly I am an Islamophobe or some sort of right wing hater of Muslims?

But then I attack Islamophobes, etc.

Must be confusing for you.

18 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:25:50pm

re: #17 Destro

LOLOL

I love to watch you do the dance.

Do you recall you denied Hashemi Rafsanjani threatened to use nuclear weapons?

Again- do you recall you said I supported the war in Iraq?

Do you need CL to remind you of the context in which you said you have no Muslim friends?

Destro, the list is long.

We can go all day- and I have the links.

Your choice as to how long you want to play.

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:32:58pm

re: #6 Destro

How petty of you. I only ding your posts that link to your blog because they don't lead to the original links. It's a form of spamming. You have issues.

Pot, meet kettle. Accusing researchok of having "issues" when all that's happened is you ran into major pushback on your Page. That's DARVO territory there, Destro.

20 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:53:57pm

I never downding researchok original link pages. So there is no issues with him on that. Like I said, I like his article topics but some of them he spams them through his blog. I would not mind that but he does not comment on the articles in his blog to add any additional insight.

So in reality, he is the one pursuing me - probably because of my anti-Neanyahu posts - those burned him up real good.

That's the underlying animosity he has with my posts.

21 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:55:04pm

re: #18 researchok

Do you recall you denied Hashemi Rafsanjani threatened to use nuclear weapons?

Your claim of this came from a suspect source - created by Iranian exiles. I googled the quote and there was no independent verification.

I asked if you can verify that claim via AP? Any mainstream news source and you could not. You remember that?

22 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:57:34pm

re: #20 Destro

I never downding researchok original link pages. So there is no issues with him on that.

Deny

Like I said, I like his article topics but some of them he spams them through his blog. I would not mind that but he does not comment on the articles in his blog to add any additional insight.

Accuse

So in reality, he is the one pursuing me - probably because of my anti-Neanyahu posts - those burned him up real good.

That's the underlying animosity he has with my posts.

Reverse
Victim and
Offender

23 Destro  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:58:46pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

You are the guys doing the DARVO stuff. I did not deny dinging him - I make it very clear over and over.

24 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 2:18:50pm

re: #20 Destro

Pipsqueak:

I only respond to you.

As for your lying, well,that you do all by yuourself.

And speaking of lies, I have never saqid or intimated I dislike you because of your stand on Netanyahu. I could could care less what you believe. In fact, this all started before Netanyahu- can't you keep up with your own lies?

What is it at issue are you lies.

Finally, who put you in charge of the blogosphere? (that really makes me laugh!)

25 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 2:22:22pm

re: #20 Destro

LOLOL

All your lies- and you seriously believe you put me down???

That's a joke, right?

26 researchok  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 2:22:56pm

In any event, we'll play for as long as you'd like.

Your call, Destro

27 BishopX  Fri, Sep 28, 2012 4:18:24pm

Look, I appreciate that you both seem to have an intensely personal interest in hating each other. That's fine. But fighting about it on unrelated pages is getting old fast. If you want to go at it, start a separate page so you can go yell at each other and leave the rest of us in peace.

In the meantime I'm just going to starting down-dings everybody involved when they stray off the topic of the page.

28 garhighway  Sat, Sep 29, 2012 12:32:22pm

re: #27 BishopX

Look, I appreciate that you both seem to have an intensely personal interest in hating each other. That's fine. But fighting about it on unrelated pages is getting old fast. If you want to go at it, start a separate page so you can go yell at each other and leave the rest of us in peace.

In the meantime I'm just going to starting down-dings everybody involved when they stray off the topic of the page.

amen


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