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1 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 4:14:31am

I saw that article in Nat Geo, fascinating.

I’m also reminded that the “Jewish Daily Forward” was complaining for years and years that Yiddish was a dying language, that nobody spoke it any more, nobody went to Yiddish Theater or watched Yiddish movies. It was DYING! BECOMING EXTINCT!

Then in 2011 the results of a Jewish population survey in New York showed a certain thriving, Yiddish-speaking community was experiencing exponential growth and the JDF went totally batshit and not in a good way. CL you know what I am referring to. :)

2 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:19:07am

I don’t see a move toward global homogeneity in language as a bad development; quite the opposite, actually. However, the hope is that, as these languages fall out of usage, their structure and artistry is preserved for the study and appreciation of posterity.

3 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:19:43am

This one gets tricky for anthros. On one hand there is the felt loss of rich diversity. On the other extreme, there is the risk of ‘human zoos’. Let’s just let cultural evolution take it’s course. If a language is a useful tool for its bearers, it will survive. If not, let it go.

4 chadu  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:52:03am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

I am eternally happy for the Yiddish words/phrases I’ve learned from paying attention to my Jewish friends and the entertainment industry.

They’re baldly expressive, and freaking blunt.

I thus far cannot speak another language fluently, but individual words or phrases from other languages, I dig.

I use bupkis and megillah on almost a daily basis.

5 chadu  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:53:53am

re: #4 chadu

Also, to self-reply, “zaftig” is what I look for in my dating profile. ;)

6 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:57:27am

re: #5 chadu

Also, to self-reply, “zaftig” is what I look for in my dating profile. ;)

That word does not mean what you think it means.

7 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:47:41am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

I saw that article in Nat Geo, fascinating.

I’m also reminded that the “Jewish Daily Forward” was complaining for years and years that Yiddish was a dying language, that nobody spoke it any more, nobody went to Yiddish Theater or watched Yiddish movies. It was DYING! BECOMING EXTINCT!

Then in 2011 the results of a Jewish population survey in New York showed a certain thriving, Yiddish-speaking community was experiencing exponential growth and the JDF went totally batshit and not in a good way. CL you know what I am referring to. :)

I remember reading about that! I’m glad Yiddish didn’t disappear; it makes me a little sad to think of any language dying out.

And, yeah, oh boy do I know what you’re referring to.

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

That word does not mean what you think it means.

I’m afraid to ask.

8 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:52:59am

re: #2 SidewaysQuark

I don’t see a move toward global homogeneity in language as a bad development; quite the opposite, actually. However, the hope is that, as these languages fall out of usage, their structure and artistry is preserved for the study and appreciation of posterity.

re: #3 Decatur Deb

This one gets tricky for anthros. On one hand there is the felt loss of rich diversity. On the other extreme, there is the risk of ‘human zoos’. Let’s just let cultural evolution take it’s course. If a language is a useful tool for its bearers, it will survive. If not, let it go.

I get what you’re saying on a rational level, but on an emotional/cultural level there’s something that gets lost. Language isn’t just about being utilitarian; it’s also about shared culture & experience. This quickly becomes apparent to anyone who tries to learn a language which is part of a culture that’s vastly different from thier own.

For example, in high school I studied Spanish, French and German, and continued my Spanish studies into my first year of college. They were certainly hurdles to overcome in terms of grammar & pronunciation, but the culture behind them, while different, wasn’t completely foreign. IOW, maddening grammar aside, I didn’t have all that much trouble with them.

Fast-forward 15 years and I began learning some Farsi & Arabic. Totally. Different. Worlds. I’m not just talking about having to learn a new alphabet—which was a major challenge in its own right—it was that there was soooo much I had difficulty grasping because the concepts behind seemingly familiar words were utterly different/foreign.

The play on certain words that have dual/ambiguous meaning, the cultural & religious symbolism behind the concepts the words represent…trying to grasp the essence of those things required venturing into exotic new worlds, worlds that were at first indecipherable, but once understood were rich beyond belief. Once a language is dead the potential to enter that other world in a meaningful, human way dies with it. It’s kind of like the difference between interacting with people online and in real life—we have emoticons & acronyms, but I can’t hear your voice, see your facial expressions, or look into your eyes. It’s all a bit… sterile.

Okay, now my mind is wandering, so I’d better shut up before I get totally off track. I guess you could say that I’d rather have a live language “zoo” populated by animate beings to interact with than a language “museum” full of dried up dead things being studied by specialists. For me, the latter is far too cold & clinical… detached… bland… boring… depressing. Ugh.

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 4:31:30pm

I highly recommend this book: Voyage of a Summer Sun: Canoeing the Columbia River for several reasons, but the pertinent one here is the conversation the author had with a native woman in central Washington state. She told him her people’s word for the Columbia River, and he asked her, ‘How do you spell that?’ She said, ‘We don’t’. They quit transliterating their language because it was never right, and they felt it was being lost that way.

10 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:58:34pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Sounds like a really great book. I’ve put it n my Amazon wish list, thanks.


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