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1 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:26:37pm

A food preparation establishment advertises its products are prepared according to certain religious or dietary requirements (Kosher, Halal, vegetarian, vegan, etc.) and some disgruntled employee fucks that up.

How is that NOT grounds for termination, and possibly now the establishment will try to hire only employees who observe or respect their ground rules.

2 steve_davis  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:43:42pm

yeah, I was smiling while reading that. He got TEN MONTHS to deal with a medical issue? Must be nice. I’m not even sure my employer would allow me to keep teaching if I got sequestered on a jury somewhere. It’s actually something I fear, because there just isn’t anything that could be done about it, unless I could convince the county that a sheriff’s deputy should drive me from the hotel to my classes, then drive me back, monitoring me to ensure that I am not talking about the case.

3 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 4:41:59pm

There’s a gigantic difference between a jam that doesn’t carry the kosher label and something that’s actually trayf like bacon jam. Are you really “not sure” if that’s what he put in the cake, or is that just there as a distraction?

Anyway, while I agree that it probably would be a firing offense in most of the US, this wasn’t in the US and the employer’s behavior has everything to do with the award:

After an hour-long probe by bakery bosses, Mr Benali was ordered to attend a disciplinary hearing on June 10 and then dismissed three days later “without (Carmelli) investigating any aspect of his defence”, the appeal judge added.

Mr Benali’s in-house appeal against that decision was rejected by Carmelli on June 23. The firm later told the employment tribunal they regarded this hearing as a mere “formality”.

In October, last year the employment tribunal found that Mr Benali had been victimised because of his on-going complaints. It also ruled his dismissal was unfair because of the “very cursory nature” of the firm’s jam probe and its “flawed appeal”.

It was pretty stupid for the bakery to just thumb their noses at established local employment dispute procedure. They basically robbed themselves of the opportunity to cleanly get rid of this employee by not taking the law seriously, and they have nobody to blame for that but themselves.

4 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:18:32pm

I don’t think this would necessarily be grounds for termination, for a first offense — it would depend on “attendant circumstances.” It’s one thing to use bacon jam in a kosher shop (or meat in a milk shop) or other egregious violations. But strawberry jam… it sounds possible that someone could make an honest error about that, since it appears not to involve anything but plant products.

For the rest, I think what Frank said probably covers the situation pretty well.

(Steve, in my experience, judges are pretty understanding about much less problematic cases than a long trial with a sequestered jury. They’re not in the business of ruining people’s lives, and anyway you’d be a lousy juror if you spent your time worrying about what would happen to you when this was over.)

5 Flavia  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:59:01pm

I work at a kosher establishment. If this was (for example), a wedding cake, that guy would have been toast, & he would have the good sense not to try to appeal the decision (We did have a problem with some shredded cheese one time, but the guy did not lose his job because we caught the food before it went out). But in the country where the local government actually gets to decide who is Jewish or not (from an old case where the government refused to allow an Orthodox school to not take a non-Jewish student, because the government decided it was “racial discrimination” to apply Jewish law (yanno, in a Jewish school)) to determine the kid’s Jewishness, I am not surprised at this verdict.


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