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1 rosiee  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:02:43am

Wagner was an avowed anti-Semite what are you on about? He refused to have Jews perform his music and attend Beyrouth. Nietzsche would later stop seeing Wagner as his Jew hatred was getting ridiculous. Though that’s no reason not to play someone’s music. We can enjoy Pink Floyd even though Roger Waters is a Jew hater too, right?

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:39:17am

See here is the problem: we all want our cultural icons to be perfect. They were humans, they had flaws. We can admire the good things they accomplished in spite of their failures.

Henry Ford’s anti-Semitism was far more horrific than Wagner’s, for its time and for its impact, but we don’t reject his business model or refuse to buy his company’s products.

3 jvic  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:08:55am

re: #1 rosiee

Wagner was not a nice person, but he was a great artist. Notwithstanding his anti-Semitism, his last opera was premiered at Bayreuth by Hermann Levi.

I agree with a statement attributed to Daniel Barenboim: Wagner’s music is too important to ignore.

4 rosiee  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:32:53am

re: #2 Lord of the Pies

I thought you were pro-union, Ford’s business model was stringently anti-union. So no I don’t think you accept his business model. A lot of the time anti-semitism comes along with faulty logic in other areas of life.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:34:50am

re: #4 rosiee

I thought you were pro-union, Ford’s business model was stringently anti-union. So no I don’t think you accept his business model. A lot of the time anti-semitism comes along with faulty logic in other areas of life.

You think you know more about the auto industry than I do? LOL please proceed.

6 rosiee  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:36:31am

re: #5 Lord of the Pies

Hey I grew up in Oshawa Ontario!

7 William Burns  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:40:54pm

So the plan was to have a concert to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of Richard Wagner and not play any Wagner? Sounds like a great way of annoying everybody.

8 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:43:19pm

re: #7 William Burns

So the plan was to have a concert to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of Richard Wagner and not play any Wagner? Sounds like a great way of annoying everybody.

I’d be more likely to go to a Miley Cyrus concert if they didn’t play any Miley Cyrus.


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