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1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 8:04:35am
The bill is currently stalled in the Criminal Justice Committee, while a different but related bill is moving forward. That bill, introduced by Reps. Nickie Antonio (D) and Kirk Schuring (R), would block parental rights for men who pleaded guilty or are convicted of rape, but still require them to pay the woman child support. It passed in the Ohio House of Representatives in January and has been referred to the Senate.

“Both of these bills deserve to be vetted through the legislative process so that survivors in Ohio have the strongest set of protections possible,” Turner told Huffpost in an email.

The main difference between Turner’s and Antonio’s legislation is that the latter bill only protects rapists who have been convicted of rape or plead guilty. Turner’s bill, on the other hand, would allow women to present evidence to a judge that she had been raped, even if the rape had not resulted in a conviction.

I would have to say I favor Rep. Antonio’s bill. Turner’s bill could cause men to suffer a number of the adverse effects of a rape conviction without the due process of a criminal trial.

2 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 9:30:47am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I would have to say I favor Rep. Antonio’s bill. Turner’s bill could cause men to suffer a number of the adverse effects of a rape conviction without the due process of a criminal trial.

Do you know how hard it is to get a conviction of rape in a criminal trial.

HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION AT ALL?

3 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 9:33:35am

Seems to me this is common sense. If you rape a woman and get her pregnant, you shouldn’t have parental rights. More bullshit from the party that brought you “legitimate rape” though. These guys just love going out of their way to alienate women and anyone with even a tiny amount of heart.

4 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 9:55:57am
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5 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 10:00:29am

I could go on and on and on and one

I’ll simply end with this article
Steubenville case highlights U.S. rape culture

6 andres  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 10:14:40am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I would have to say I favor Rep. Antonio’s bill. Turner’s bill could cause men to suffer a number of the adverse effects of a rape conviction without the due process of a criminal trial.

This is far from a more ideal world where Rep. Antonio’s bill will make sense. As ggt says, it’s already very difficult to get a rape conviction. If a rape conviction is required for the law to kick in, the rapist is now more aware of how to continue his power over his victim.

Until the world is better, Turner’s bill is the better one because it adapts itself to the real world, not a more ideal one.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 2:25:59pm

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

Do you know how hard it is to get a conviction of rape in a criminal trial.

HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION AT ALL?

I have been paying attention. But my chief concern in matters of law is due process. What none of these articles makes clear is how the process is supposed to work in Turner’s bill. Once the woman makes the court claim, does the bill require the father of the child be notified of her proposed severing of his parental rights? If yes (as I would assume), how is he to be notified and what rights does he have to contest her action? If there is to be a hearing, what are its rules of evidence, examination and cross-examination? What is the standard of evidence in cases such as Turner is proposing? (I could only support a law that mandated a standard of “Clear and Convincing Evidence”, meaning that the woman would have to show it was strongly more likely than not that she had been raped. The tort standard, “Preponderance of the Evidence” does not afford sufficient protections in this matter.)

In my mind the Antonio bill avoids the issues posed by the questions I raised and it enjoys my support for that reason. This support is not absolute, though, as I can be swayed if I my due process concerns are satisfied.

8 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 2:36:13pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

(I could only support a law that mandated a standard of “Clear and Convincing Evidence”, meaning that the woman would have to show it was strongly more likely than not that she had been raped. The tort standard, “Preponderance of the Evidence” does not afford sufficient protections in this matter.)

Explain your logic.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 23, 2014 3:18:30pm

re: #8 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Explain your logic.

“Preponderance of the evidence” is too light a burden for something as permanent as the severing of parental rights. That should only be done if there is strong evidence of wrongdoing. It would not need to be “Beyond a Reasonable Doubt” to satisfy me, hence my suggesting of an evidentiary standard between those two.


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