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1 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 1, 2014 7:01:12pm

Is the “lie” about gun free zones or are you saying no one but on duty police or the shooter (via suicide) has ever stopped a major multiple victim shooting? Or?

2 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 1, 2014 9:03:35pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Is the “lie” about gun free zones or are you saying no one but on duty police or the shooter (via suicide) has ever stopped a major multiple victim shooting? Or?

Did you read the article?

3 Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2014 5:50:32am

Gun free zones are designed to stop constant lockdowns every time a gun fucker decides to take their weapon out for a stroll. It’s common sense…..something Teabaggers avoid like the plague.

4 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 7:44:17am

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Is the “lie” about gun free zones or are you saying no one but on duty police or the shooter (via suicide) has ever stopped a major multiple victim shooting? Or?

Yes.

5 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 8:12:39am

Another Good Guy with a Gun story.

MN man pulls shotgun on neighbor teaching daughter to ride bike: ‘I should have shot him’

Because that’s what Good Guys with a Gun do.

rawstory.com

6 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 9:28:59am

re: #2 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yes.

7 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 9:31:51am

re: #5 Skip Intro

“Good guy with a gun”

And the false/misleading description of criminal acts with guns continues.

“A” for consistency.

8 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 12:04:27pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

“Good guy with a gun”

And the false/misleading description of criminal acts with guns continues.

“A” for consistency.

No, the false/misleading description part is pretending that you can tell the difference before the “good guy” becomes the “bad guy”.

You seem to have a real problem grasping that.

9 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 12:20:32pm

re: #8 Skip Intro

No, the false/misleading description part is pretending that you can tell the difference before the “good guy” becomes the “bad guy”.

You seem to have a real problem grasping that.

What you refuse to grasp or admit is that a criminal act with a gun instantly takes the “good guy” part out. Great propaganda ya got there.

Show me the link where i asserted I can tell beforehand about any criminal act, let alone guns. Good luck with that.

Every driver of a car is a responsible driver until he breaks the law. we don’t call DUI drivers responsible. We don’t call a guy on his first bank robbery an innocent person.

10 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 2, 2014 1:27:57pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Yes.

Really? Because the questions you asked were addressed in the article.

What you refuse to grasp or admit is that a criminal act with a gun instantly takes the “good guy” part out. Great propaganda ya got there.

That’s the point, though. That’s the point he’s making. It’s not ‘propaganda’. The point is that the phrase “A good with a gun” is a useless and dangerous one.

11 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 1:49:45pm

re: #10 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Really? Because the questions you asked were addressed in the article.

That’s the point, though. That’s the point he’s making. It’s not ‘propaganda’. The point is that the phrase “A good with a gun” is a useless and dangerous one.

My question was about Skips specific take, so it does not matter what was addressed in the article. If that phrase is so useless and dangerous Skip should not use it either. Everyone is a good guy or girl until they act otherwise. Treating guns a special category for that kind of phrase that deliberately includes that actual good guys with guns (like people you know, police and retired military officers is propaganda. It’s wrong.

I don’t expect you or Skip to like the NRA or their statements. I do expect certain distinctions to be made in the use of the term here. Unless perhaps Skip and you as his defender are prepared to use the same technique with a broad spectrum of crimes?

12 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 2, 2014 2:08:21pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

My question was about Skips specific take, so it does not matter what was addressed in the article.

Of course it does, because the phrase was in reference to the article, which clearly shows that none of these multiple shootings ended with a good guy pulling out a gun.

If that phrase is so useless and dangerous Skip should not use it either.

The point he is making is that it is a useless phrase. He’s not ‘using’ it, he’s attacking the phrase.

Treating guns a special category for that kind of phrase that deliberately includes that actual good guys with guns (like people you know, police and retired military officers is propaganda. It’s wrong.

I have no clue what you’re even talking about at this point.

The NRA has used the phrase “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”. This is a stupid and dangerous phrase, for the reasons cited in the article. You appear to agree that this phrase is useless, since it’s something that’s only ever true in retrospect. Someone is a good guy right up until they’re a bad guy.

So what exactly is your problem here, either with the article or with Skip attacking that phrase as a useless phrase, since you agree with him?

13 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 2:37:12pm

re: #12 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I have no clue what you’re even talking about at this point.

Really?
Just to be crystal freaking clear-Skip uses the phrase in such a way as to include the actual good guys, that have not committed any offense in with gun law violators.

14 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 2, 2014 2:41:33pm

re: #13 Rightwingconspirator

Really?
Just to be crystal freaking clear-Skip uses the phrase in such a way as to include the actual good guys, that have not committed any offense in with gun law violators.

And the reason he is using it that way is to show that the phrase is a useless one. Which you appear to understand, and you appear to approve of.

So again, what is your actual problem here? He is saying that there is no way to tell, prior to an incident, who is a ‘good guy’ and who isn’t. It’s only a sense that makes sense in retrospect.


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