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1 Mattand  Oct 22, 2014 7:39:35am

Gamergate is fast becoming my go-to reason why the Internet is a bad thing for humanity.

2 Randall Gross  Oct 22, 2014 8:05:26am

most excellent, thanks for posting.

3 sffilk  Oct 22, 2014 9:14:33am

I’d not heard one word about this, and I’m glad I haven’t. My two nephews out here play games on their computers and they’d never do anything like these “people” want to do.

4 KiTA  Oct 22, 2014 10:52:04am

Very entertaining, but also more strawmanning than a Wicker Man fansite.

5 klys  Oct 22, 2014 10:53:55am

re: #4 KiTA

Maybe you’ll prefer this article then.

6 palomino  Oct 22, 2014 11:31:31am

Chris Kluwe might be the smartest living person to have ever played in the NFL. Certainly one of the funniest, most thoughtful and most outspoken.

7 KiTA  Oct 22, 2014 11:54:51am

re: #5 klys

Not really.

I prefer, and encourage people to read at least once, this article, which explains what is going on with sources and doesn’t fall prey to the “lol it’s just a bunch of fat entitled white kids in their parents basements who hate women lol” forced meme. Or perhaps this article by political scientist that discusses what this ultimately is — a form of twisted, mutated politics. And like any political situation, you have people falling prey to confirmation bias and information seclusion.

Unfortunately some of the right wing have latched onto this, seeing it as an “enemy of my enemy” sorta thing, but it’s really not. This is doubly unfortunate since there’s been some actually good (if biased towards the right) reporting on GG through the right — these two reason.com articles, for example. (And god help me, this whole mess made me actually not want to be sick after reading breitbart once. We live in strange times.)

Ultimately this boils down to gamers getting tired of some genuinely horrible journalism covering their hobby. Part of which is a significant portion of non white, non male, non teenaged gamers being very tired of being called white male teens and tweens who hate women.

8 EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2014 11:55:05am

re: #4 KiTA

Very entertaining, but also more strawmanning than a Wicker Man fansite.

Nope. Gamergate started with misogyny as its prime motive and has not significantly changed since then.

Pretending that Gamergate has any significant connection to ethics in gaming journalism is precisely equivalent to the blinkered view that waving the Confederate flag is only about personal freedom and tariffs.

9 AyaReiko  Oct 22, 2014 11:56:54am

Well this proves nothing more than Chris Kluwe is nothing more than an alpha male idiot.

#Gamergate isn’t about someone, a video game developer I might add, sleeping with a bunch of people involved in the video game journalism industry. It’s about the ridiculous amount of cronyism, nepotism, and flat-out corruption in the industry.

Here’s a good video on how it all started:
Youtube Video

10 klys  Oct 22, 2014 12:12:19pm

re: #7 KiTA

I refuse to cosign onto any movement that started with the harassment of women in video gaming. Period. Full stop. THAT IS NOT OK ANYWHERE and you cannot gloss over and pretend that this has not happened here.

11 KiTA  Oct 22, 2014 12:17:48pm

re: #10 klys

I refuse to cosign onto any movement that started with the harassment of women in video gaming. Period. Full stop. THAT IS NOT OK ANYWHERE and you cannot gloss over and pretend that this has not happened here.

The Quinnspiracy was a separate event and the revelations that Kotaku was allowing someone in an undisclosed personal relationship with Quinn to help push her game (something that despite Kotaku’s insistence, has been found to be completely true) was merely the spark that set off GamerGate.

It was NOT part of GamerGate. These problems have been going on for decades and all this was just the last straw.

Gaming is no longer a little mom and pop, basement industry ran by indies. It hasn’t been for decades. It’s a multi billion if not trillion dollar corporate machine. It’s well past time the Journalists following gaming be held to even the most basic of ethical standards.

12 klys  Oct 22, 2014 12:24:32pm

re: #11 KiTA

We disagree strongly on this, and I don’t really believe that any amount of discussion is going to lead us seeing eye to eye, since you clearly are very invested in the topic.

Have a nice afternoon.

13 CriticalDragon1177  Oct 22, 2014 12:27:37pm

Here’s a pretty good political cartoon I found on “Gamer Gate”

14 AyaReiko  Oct 22, 2014 12:39:41pm

#Gamergate in 60 seconds:

Youtube Video

15 EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2014 12:44:28pm

A worthwhile article on the subject is at medium.com

The title is “To fair-minded proponents of #GamerGate

It is, at any rate, imperative that you recognize not only that others are using #GamerGate to do exactly the things you claim to revile, but also that they’ve been more effective at achieving their goals than you’ve been at achieving yours. That, in no small part, is why you’re all being lumped together. You may think that you represent #GamerGate more truly than the harassers, but the public can’t help but see successful attacks as a kind of ownership. That may be unfair, but you’d be foolish to ignore it. At this point, the harassers have done so much damage that your best recourse may be to simply abandon the #GamerGate umbrella altogether, in favor of a rallying call that’s harder to co-opt. Every time they successfully run someone out of their home or damage the reputation of a potential ally, they take a stronger hold on the names under which you’ve rallied, and you lose a little bit more.

16 ObserverArt  Oct 22, 2014 1:26:04pm

Yeah, I updinged klys’ #12. A comment like that does not deserve to be downdinged. It is an honest comment saying that there is not going to be agreement and is dropping the topic.

17 Varek Raith  Oct 22, 2014 3:50:56pm

re: #14 AyaReiko

Yeah, I got spammed that when I disagreed with the movement over twitter.
Still doesn’t change the fact the it is a toxic movement.
Screw em.

18 TedStriker  Oct 22, 2014 3:55:48pm

re: #11 KiTA

The Quinnspiracy was a separate event and the revelations that Kotaku was allowing someone in an undisclosed personal relationship with Quinn to help push her game (something that despite Kotaku’s insistence, has been found to be completely true) was merely the spark that set off GamerGate.

It was NOT part of GamerGate. These problems have been going on for decades and all this was just the last straw.

Gaming is no longer a little mom and pop, basement industry ran by indies. It hasn’t been for decades. It’s a multi billion if not trillion dollar corporate machine. It’s well past time the Journalists following gaming be held to even the most basic of ethical standards.

The “Ouinnspiracy” may have been something separate, but most of the crap I’ve run across about GamerGate has it as a core talking point.

GamerGate is misogynistic at its core; the specific sequence of events and people matters not for the gamebros who feel they are aggrieved.

19 wrenchwitch  Oct 22, 2014 4:13:18pm

re: #7 KiTA

Not really.

I prefer, and encourage people to read at least once, this article, which explains what is going on with sources and doesn’t fall prey to the “lol it’s just a bunch of fat entitled white kids in their parents basements who hate women lol” forced meme. Or perhaps this article by political scientist that discusses what this ultimately is — a form of twisted, mutated politics. And like any political situation, you have people falling prey to confirmation bias and information seclusion.

Unfortunately some of the right wing have latched onto this, seeing it as an “enemy of my enemy” sorta thing, but it’s really not. This is doubly unfortunate since there’s been some actually good (if biased towards the right) reporting on GG through the right — these two reason.com articles, for example. (And god help me, this whole mess made me actually not want to be sick after reading breitbart once. We live in strange times.)

Ultimately this boils down to gamers getting tired of some genuinely horrible journalism covering their hobby. Part of which is a significant portion of non white, non male, non teenaged gamers being very tired of being called white male teens and tweens who hate women.

OK, I read your first link. Despite the statement in your next comment,

The Quinnspiracy was a separate event and the revelations that Kotaku was allowing someone in an undisclosed personal relationship with Quinn to help push her game (something that despite Kotaku’s insistence, has been found to be completely true) was merely the spark that set off GamerGate.

It was NOT part of GamerGate. These problems have been going on for decades and all this was just the last straw.

I found that ‘article’ (it’s a website) to be almost entirely about Zoe Quinn. And it is not an article ‘which explains what is going on with sources’, as you claimed. On the last page of it, you find this:

Over the course of this article, you may have in fact criticized me for presenting a one sided portrayal of the events. There was little to no mention of the harassment or the threats for instance. But as I said in the beginning, this is by design. You do not have to look far to find ample coverage of those facts. In fact, look no further than the references posted here. This was, by design, a counter narrative. Something to provide, so that a reasonable person could understand that the truth, most likely, lies somewhere in between. In beginning this article, I had tried to stay neutral as much as possible. And while I do still consider myself a moderate, I have over the course of this event found one thing to be true. I could no longer stay neutral while my identity was being attacked and I was found guilty by association. I found, and forgive me for borrowing from another Zinn title, that you can’t stay neutral on a moving train.

So it’s a ‘counter narrative’. Perhaps you could recommend something to read to which this one is counter.

I read your second link too. I find its author to be kind of clueless about his supposed specialty, politics. Also, clueless generally:

However, most ordinary people are not political. They dislike agendas. In an age of unlimited information, it’s relatively easy for readers of an article to find out when a story they’ve been told is one-sided, or omits information. It’s also relatively easy for them to complain about it. This is why “don’t read the comments” has become such a popular slogan among those bastions of bias, political op-ed writers.

‘Don’t read the comments’ has become popular not because comments disturb people’s biases, but because comments are full of offensiveness aimed at women, people of color, and other ‘outsiders’. Takes an ‘insider’ to miss that.

This part also reeks of ‘insider’:

Gamers will always welcome new people and new ideas with open arms. What they will not welcome is a Thompson-like war for cultural hegemony, regardless of whether it comes from the left or the right.

In a way, gamers of all races, genders and orientations would like to exclude a minority. That minority is the culture warriors, who thrive in an atmosphere of fear and moral condemnation. They are an ill wind that blows no man or woman of any ethnicity any good.

Maybe this is the part right-wingers have latched onto. They also hate culture warriors. They also like to write thousands and thousands of words about having been ‘censored’.

Don’t have time right now to read your next two links.

20 wrenchwitch  Oct 22, 2014 5:38:01pm
21 Kragar  Oct 22, 2014 7:52:02pm

re: #14 AyaReiko

#Gamergate in 60 seconds:

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