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Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:42:04pm

It would be more accurate to say Californians gun culture had already changed. Changed enough to get these laws passed. Laws don’t change culture. Laws are changed in response or as a reflection of societal priorities.

The NRA does not get to define gun culture. Neither do the critics of the NRA. The 95% of gun owners that are not members of the NRA define gun culture more than anyone else.

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dangerman  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:47:33pm

re: #1 Great White Snark

It would be more accurate to say Californians gun culture had already changed. Changed enough to get these laws passed. Laws don’t change culture. Laws are changed in response or as a reflection of societal priorities.

The NRA does not get to define gun culture. Neither do the critics of the NRA. The 95% of gun owners that are not members of the NRA define gun culture more than anyone else.

whatever the percentage of actually responsible gun owners is, they allow the remaining much smaller percentage of mostly reckless and irresponsible people be the public face of all gun owners.

if that vast majority of responsible gun owners made it their mission to weed the reckless out of the gun possessing population, mostly no one would care what the remaining responsible folks owned. by not doing a good job, or more correctly doing a lousy job of differentiating themselves, they all get tarred with the same brush.

this differentiation can’t be done with p/r and ad campaigns showing how responsible gun owners behave. it has to be done legislatively with swift, strict, and severe, no second chance due process that takes the reckless people out of the gun population permanently.

it’ll not stop deliberate, determined shootings - mass or otherwise. it will eat heavily into both the #gunfail and questionable sales practices.

while we cant hold someone responsible for how a gun is used after it’s sold, we can review the circumstances of the sale and put that to a reasonable person standard at least.

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Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:51:44pm

re: #2 dangerman

Wut?
It’s not gun owners job to weed out the reckless any more than it is the job of account holders at banks to weed out bank robbers. Or average drivers to weed out drunks. So now we have let the critics define gun culture as personified by the ILA (the political wing of NRA) and we have the average gun owner expected to do the job of ATF and the police.

…whatever the percentage of actually responsible gun owners is…

Excluding criminals, 99+% of gun owners never have an incident. 95% have nothing to do with NRA.

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dangerman  Jul 10, 2016 • 7:52:53am

re: #3 Great White Snark

Wut?
It’s not gun owners job to weed out the reckless any more than it is the job of account holders at banks to weed out bank robbers. Or average drivers to weed out drunks. So now we have let the critics define gun culture as personified by the ILA (the political wing of NRA) and we have the average gun owner expected to do the job of ATF and the police.

Excluding criminals, 99+% of gun owners never have an incident. 95% have nothing to do with NRA.

i’m agreeing with you. that’s why i bolded your original comment.

and it’s the bold part in this comment i’m addressing.

yes the 95%. a huge and powerful number. they’re not lobbying against the nra. they’re not really doing anything. so it’s being done for them by those they claim not to be part of.

and their absolute silence in vocally telling the nra where to go plus their shameful silence in lobbying legislators to do something useful and targeted only at the demonstrably reckless will leave them subject to whatever laws get passed in response primarily to those demonstrably reckless.

since they dont do anything effective to separate themselves, they arent.

by default they “allow” the nra to speak for them. the nra implies that they represent this (silent) large number making nra support look way way bigger than it is. and they “allow” every #gunfail to be the public face of all gun owners.

the history of gun misuse and the responses to it by all sides (there are way more than 2) says to me that since they don’t differentiate themselves from the problem they are seen as part of it and will be swept up and be subject to whatever “solutions” come to pass.

it’s my opinion that being quietly responsible is no longer a prudent position. there’s a hugely powerful possibility in that 95% and should be used to weed out the careless, reckless, etc. if they don’t spearhead it, it’s gonna be done for them.


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