re: #18 Fozzie Bear

I’m trying to wrap my head around your viewpoint. Are you saying that we as living beings, have no rights other than those recognized by some sort of collective agreement amongst ourselves? I think your view conflates possession of rights with recognition of those rights by others.

I’m an atheist and I certainly disagree with folks like Coburn who believe they get certain of their rights from $DEITY. But it doesn’t bother me that they think this because it doesn’t conflict with my view that I possess certain rights simply by virtue of being born. This doesn’t mean that other folks won’t violate those rights. If I’m murdered by someone, that doesn’t mean I didn’t have the right to life.