re: #88 pingjockey
Heh. I remember when that Nork pilot defected with a Mig 25. The west thought it was hot shit, until they actually saw it.
Rivets not flush, just crappy workmanship.
Nork pilot? I remember a Russian pilot… flew to Japan. I recall the review was mixed; they had lousy basics to work with, but did some fairly ingenious things with limited resources.