re: #140 apachegunner

troofers? nirthers? I’d be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute. i’ve heard say that if there wasn’t one hillary would have found out, did she find out there was one and passed? I have no doubt this is a deliberate move to wreck America, nobama and there are some very smart, and very dark, people supporting this. Whats so hard about presenting one? I have one or two at home as I bet most of you do to. i’m not a troofer or a nirther, just a curious citizen.

You have one or two original birth certificates at home? Really?

Well, what if your Mother didn’t take very good care of it, and lost it….Are you still an American Citizen? Wouldn’t you apply for the registered copy and just show it?

The document Obama is showing is his real birth certificate, and HAS been presented outside of DailyKOS.
AND it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

The head of the Health Department in Hawaii has confirmed that the original certificate is the same as the copy, and therefore Obama was born when and where his American family says he was, Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu.

It has been verified by the state government official who is responsible for the document and it’s authenticity.

The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.

Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.

In fact they have a rule specifically created to rule out this change of place of birth.

capitol.hawaii.gov

“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents”

So the short form copy would not have listed his place of birth as Honolulu.

You might think that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 would have allowed that.

Well there is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.

Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and as per Hawaii Revised Statute 338.20.5 it does not change the Place of Birth.

But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn’t matter because 338-17.8 didn’t exist until 1982.