re: #236 windsagio
Let me try putting it this way:
It seems to me that this whole discussion is based on a distinction between whether taxes are what you owe the government for various things vs. them being what the government takes from you for various things.
If you owe it, its really clearly a subsidy. If its just the government taking what’s rightfully yours, its not.
Most libertarians like to claim it’s all yours.