re: #335 Varek Raith

Heh.
If Cato’s a neocon I’m…
Good grief, I can’t think of anything more extreme!
It would appear that anyone right of center is a neocon to you.

Not at all. For example, Ron Paul is extremely isolationist, though definitely “right of center.” I could hardly call him a “neocon,” as that describes a right-wing liberal foreign policy position.

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re: #337 Varek Raith

What did you have against the first Gulf War?

Nothing. The President made sure to get clear and specific authorization from the U.N. provided he didn’t actully enter Iraq itself, which he didn’t. He made sure that the international community was on his side, and he didn’t exceed the bounds of authority that they granted him. That one was done very correctly. His extensive prior experience as U.N. Ambassador and in the C.I.A. was put to good use there, and it made all the difference between a belligerent invasion vs. universally authorized action.

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re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

There are not, in fact, two kinds of citizens. Palestinians living under the PA are not Israeli citizens.

What nation on the map are they citizens of? I don’t see a “Palestine” on my map. What country are those people citizens of? What nation is responsible for their rights?

Controlling the border around a people should give you the responsibility of those people, which is to say, they should be citizens of the nation bounded by that border. If not, what nation are they citizens of? If none, then they must be non-citizens of your nation, which is to say that you’re practicing apartheid.

This isn’t that complicated. If they live in your country as it’s shown on the map, but you don’t count them as citizens of that country, then they’re second-class citizens of your country. That’s what apartheid is.