re: #367 Nyet

They voted on a measure relevant to the TPP. That’s all that matters for my argument,

Your argument is that they need to be able to read the entire TPP to vote on it. They are not voting on the TPP.

The point under discussion is whether voting in such a way that doesn’t help the easy passage of TPP because of the deliberately limited access to the info about TPP is justified, given the particular legal realities in the US.

Right. If they don’t, when the TPP is presented to them, want to vote to approve it, they don’t have to. They also don’t have to vote to approve the fast-tracking of the TPP. But complaining they can’t read the TPP and saying that’s a reason to not vote for fast-tracking it, or using tactics to prevent fast-tracking of it, isn’t justified because if they don’t want to ratify the TPP when it is presented to them they can vote against it then, and at that point they will be able to read it. They can then say “Well, if you’d let us put amendments on it we would have voted for it, but you didn’t so we’re not ratifying it” or just “Fuck this treaty, we’re not ratifying it”.