Thank you both for your replies. They are both very helpful in understanding your positions and opinions and also where mine can be better constructed.

I see some questions so let me address quickly.

Obdicut –

1. Plato
2. Aristotle
3. Confucius
4. Mother Teresa
5. Rabbi Hillel
6. Buddha
7. Nelson Mandela
8. The Dalai Lama
9. Francis of Assisi
10. Rabbi Yeshua Ben Yosef

I don’t know why you suggest that it is meaningless to look for signs of god if one does not know beforehand many the qualities of a god. (One knows at least one quality to start with — “I am not god”). Any inquiry into any subject always starts off will little to no understanding of the qualities of the subject and moves towards knowledge of said qualities. IN THE POSITIVE For example I don’t know the qualities of that which is buzzing outside my window, but if I inquire and study I will understand the qualities of the hummingbird. For example I have an innate concept of justice but I do not fully know its qualities. So I study and I enquire and thus come to understand the qualities of justice. IN THE NEGATIVE Sam may have an indication that he am being watched, but after inquiry he finds that he is not being watched and is just paranoid. Sue may have an indication that heat flows like a liquid from object to object, but after study finds that her idea of “caloric” is not real.

Thus it is not meaning less to study and search when starting from a stand point of having little knowledge of the qualities of what one is looking for. That is why one searches, to find the qualities. If one knew the qualities then one would not need to search for they would have already found.

If we look at the argument, I am not presuming that a god exists. I am presuming that if a god exists then the qualities of a god can be known through observing creation.

I will put THE BALL AND THE CROSS on my to read book list. Thank you kindly. I don’t have a problem with atheists so long as they don’t deny the existence of universals because my problem is primarily with those that deny the existence of universals (theists or atheists). Besides I find modern atheism to be largely the logical and rational outcome of some of the presuppositions of the Reformation.

Thank you again kindly for your help and suggestions.

BTW and you don’t have to answer, did you ever search for the god and if so what were some of the qualities that you were looking for?