re: #447 Bagua

Bagua, there is the major point that you refuse to think through the presented evidence of why it is certain that we are the driver of the current shift.

Your aspersions about my scientific credibility and your false claims about your own understanding are not helped by the fact that you refuse to look at the evidence and actually discuss the science.

So here it is one more time:

Why is the atmosphere heating from the bottom up? Why is this happening where all the CO2 we dump tends to hang out? The whole point of this of course is that if there were something extraterrestrial causing the warming, colar variation or cosmic rays or whatever, the atmosphere would be heating from the outside in. Instead of that, we see it warming where all the carbon we dumped hangs out at the bottom. This is a smoking gun.

If it were caused by solar variations, why has there been no marked solar variation sufficient to account for any but the smallest fraction of the changes we see (and even that is under strong debate)? The point of this is that we can rule out solar variation yet another way.

Do you think that the all the CO2 is doing nothing? Of course it is doing something. It must because of QM and Thermodynamics.

Why are we warming when as far as orbital variations are concerned, we should be cooling? The point of this is that orbital variations have been primary drivers in the past. However, we are warming in a period that should be cooling.

Further all of this warming coincides with the advent of the industrial age and us starting to dump all of that CO2. This is another smoking gun.

There has not been a significant increase in volcanic activity to account for the increased CO2 and more over, if it were, there would be sharp jumps in the Keeling curves. We do not see that. In otherwords, the only other natural driver that could cause such shifts in climate is also ruled out.

NOW, if you honestly process that, and stop with your word games and reliance on the political language of the IPCC, you will see that we are for certain the cause of the present shift.

How about you look at the actual science and process it?

As to IPCC,

If you think about it for half a minute BTW, you will find that no physics paper talks about bands of likely or >90% certainty. We give the evidence and the error bars and let you decide. Any such statement at all, is by it’s very nature, a sopp to the politicos. The fact that you even see such a statement is proof of politics and not science.

I am tired of your insults and your insulting of the science. I am even more tired of your false claims to speak for what science is. Do not insult me by calling the arguments I bring faith based with out even addressing the science. Start there. We can argue the politics of IPCC later.

For now, since you claim to be scientifically literate and scientifically balanced, act like it and address the scientific points given.

It is apparent that you are simply being arrogant and insulting.