re: #456 Bagua

Those are not straw man arguments. Those are the scientific reasons why it is certain that we are the primary driver behind the current warming.

Why not adress the science? If you truly care about accuracy and non emotional discourse of what the science is, you might try looking at it.

You really are simply trying to be a troll now aren’t you?

I repeat. It is one hundred percent certain that we are the primary cause of the present warming for the following reasons:

So here it is one more time:

Why is the atmosphere heating from the bottom up? Why is this happening where all the CO2 we dump tends to hang out? The whole point of this of course is that if there were something extraterrestrial causing the warming, colar variation or cosmic rays or whatever, the atmosphere would be heating from the outside in. Instead of that, we see it warming where all the carbon we dumped hangs out at the bottom. This is a smoking gun.

If it were caused by solar variations, why has there been no marked solar variation sufficient to account for any but the smallest fraction of the changes we see (and even that is under strong debate)? The point of this is that we can rule out solar variation yet another way.

Do you think that the all the CO2 is doing nothing? Of course it is doing something. It must because of QM and Thermodynamics.

Why are we warming when as far as orbital variations are concerned, we should be cooling? The point of this is that orbital variations have been primary drivers in the past. However, we are warming in a period that should be cooling.

Further all of this warming coincides with the advent of the industrial age and us starting to dump all of that CO2. This is another smoking gun.

There has not been a significant increase in volcanic activity to account for the increased CO2 and more over, if it were, there would be sharp jumps in the Keeling curves. We do not see that. In otherwords, the only other natural driver that could cause such shifts in climate is also ruled out.

Now, if you honestly process that, and stop with your word games and reliance on the political language of the IPCC, you will see that we are for certain the cause of the present shift.

Address the science. That is what science is about. I really do not care about your opinion of how certain things are in the absence of discussing the facts. You opinion means nothing in a science conversation.

The only one calling names is you.

Look at the science.