re: #3 iossarian

Tough to pull out. Comparing the average gun owner to the average gang member would imply it’s mostly gangs. There are far more gun owners than gang members. Plus I would say we add felony crimes from non gang members for good number.

I got this

Gangs and Gun-Related Homicide
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/
Gun-related homicide is most prevalent among gangs and during the commission of felony crimes. In 1980, the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during arguments was about the same as from gang involvement (about 70 percent), but by 1993, nearly all gang-related homicides involved guns (95 percent), whereas the percentage of gun homicides related to arguments remained relatively constant. The percentage of gang-related homicides caused by guns fell slightly to 92 percent in 2008, but the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during the commission of a felony rose from about 60 percent to about 74 percent from 1980 to 2005.[5]

Note the above compared only gang gun violence and arguments. I look at it like this. Thought experiment. Take all the guns from some average middle class neighborhood. Say 200 homes.

Take all the guns from 200 felons, gang members robbers, rapists.

The criminals are more likely than the average fellow to get violent.

Guns certainly facilitate “successful” suicide attempts, but history shows the very depressed go for whats available. When certain kinds of old style ovens phased out suicide deaths went down. It was the proverbial stick your head in the oven, and carbon monoxide was the killer, not heat. Tall bridges too draw the suicidal. But we agree that’s mental health more than guns.