re: #782 iceweasel

False. Two points here:
The right, the wingnut right, has steadily tried to redefine life and contraception itself as a form of abortion.

Mostly, yes. The religious right has always said life begins at conception. That’s not a new claim from them.

Second: The left has refused to get sidetracked into an issue over when life begins for the embryo— because it is undeniable that the WOMAN is already alive and has rights over her life and her body.

Why bother asking the question, ever, then? I think you and I can agree that there isn’t a stark line of life, not life. I think it matters whether what is being aborted should be considered a life.

All attempts to make this about when life begins are attempts to shift the discussion into one that would accord the embryo the status of personhood, and attempts to detract from teh personhood, agency, and rights of the WOMAN.

I again wouldn’t call it a detraction. The extremism I see on both sides of the debate is the acceptability of each sides position at the beginning and end of the pregnancy. There are plenty of leftists who think as late term as needed is ok. That position scares me as much as the religious zealot who thinks aborting a clump of cells is murder.