re: #73 iossarian

Fair enough, though I’m not sure where you’re going with this. There are no “good guys with guns” - the phrase is meaningless.

There are guys and gals with guns. Sometimes they turn out to be helpful; vastly more often they wind up killing people through bad intentions, stupidity or just plan bad luck. The guy over at DailyKos rounds up the highlights in his GunFail blog.

A couple things.
Where i’m going with this is liberals are foolish to let that become a pejorative just because rwnj’s say it with a snarl and as often as they can inhale. When you say it’s meaningless, you are giving in to the rwnj types. I mean it’s patently obvious that was a good guy, with a gun, that stopped a killer. Just factual right? What’s wrong with a factual description?

About those guys and girls with guns… You are wrong to say most of the time it goes bad. What happens most of the time by far is nothing happens. They hunt, or target shoot or collect and nothing bad ever happens. Nobody tries to rob them, no accidents occur.

If attacked gun owners sometimes have an option others don’t. The only guarantee is that defenseless people are at a terrible disadvantage under attack by an armed predator.

You have your gunfail source, there are other blogs that chronicle the drumbeat of regular incidents where people do successfully use a gun in defense. And you probably saw my links from back when where a number in the mid tens of thousands per year was found to be a reasonable estimate. A study cited at the VPC IIRC.