re: #78 keithgabryelski

It is a strawman to say that being civil requires a country to relinquish self-protective processes.

Your cake and eat it too then? Can you have one and then other? The world is full of mean and nasty people which mean to do us harm. Undermining, degrading and wounding the very agency that should be protecting us is also a risky proposition. I do not want us to sell our souls and become the monsters are are fighting. On the other hand, I do not want us so encumbered with restrictions it exposes us to harm. We have to walk a fine line when it comes to these matters. There are grey areas that have to be dealt with, yes?