Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA): ‘I Didn’t Come From No Monkey’

What anti-science GOP?
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In the midst of a discussion about right wing denial of climate change, Bill Maher asks Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) directly, “Do you believe in evolution?”

Kingston answers, “I believe I came from God, not from a monkey, so the answer is no.”

And, “I don’t believe a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being one day.”

And, “Where’s the missing link?”

I don’t know where people get the idea the Republican Party is anti-science.

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306 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:09:56pm

At the end, comedian D.L. Hughley also says he doesn't believe in evolution, after speaking earlier about the importance of science. Arg.

2 Kragar  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:11:05pm

Apparently God's miracles don't include the scientific process.

Why do they seek to place limits on what God is capable of?

3 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:11:58pm

Well they are correct in one sense-// Their perspective or point of view will never evolve.Not even in 5000 years.

4 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:12:32pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently God's miracles don't include the scientific process.

Why do they seek to place limits on what God is capable of?

You know what movie really needs a classic remake but hasn't gotten one?

Inherit the Wind.... or would it be too controversial to get made today?

5 Kragar  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:13:45pm

Also, the world is still flat, the sun revolves around it, and diseases are caused by demons.

6 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:14:17pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also, the world is still flat, the sun revolves around it, and diseases are caused by demons.

Mismas, you fool, say it with me, mismas!

7 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:15:46pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why religious enlightenment supposedly excludes scientific enlightenment I will never understand. Just saw a show about a an asteroid air burst about 3500 BCE may have been the ancient event that became the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Based in part on a very clever Sumerian astronomer of the day who made a clay disk of his night sky.

Sheesh we did get the Gregorian calendar. From a Pope smart enough to embrace the science of the day.

8 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:16:04pm

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9 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:16:51pm

AAARRRRGGGHHH!

In a few centuries, we will be like the back-country of someplace like Romania or Bhutan, scraping out a living from the soil and trying to entice tourists with the ruins of our glory days. What visitor from fabulously wealthy China and Europe will not want to see the Monument of the Fallen Arches, its golden plastic still shiny after all these centuries, or the Great Boneyard of Davis Monthan, where tourists will marvel that this quaint back-water once led the world in aviation and many other technologies?
If these people have their way, their 10 times great grandchildren cab aspire to be houseboys and sporting girls in tourist fleshpots like Vegas or Providence.

10 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:17:00pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also, the world is still flat, the sun revolves around it, and diseases are caused by demons.

OR, cold weather.

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:17:23pm

Of course you did not come from no monkey, and for that matter, neither did your parents, Representative Kingston.

You see, it happened over a veeery long period of time. Way before your grandfather was even born.

12 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:17:41pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

Why religious enlightenment supposedly excludes scientific enlightenment I will never understand. Just saw a show about a an asteroid air burst about 3500 BCE may have been the ancient event that became the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Based in part on a very clever Sumerian astronomer of the day who made a clay disk of his night sky.

Sheesh we did get the Gregorian calendar. From a Pope smart enough to embrace the science of the day.

I don't understand it either, RWC.

13 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:18:18pm

re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course you did not come from no monkey, and for that matter, neither did your parents, Representative Kingston.

You see, it happened over a veeery long period of time. Way before your grandfather was even born.

*snort*
Or even his grandfather's grandfather.
Or his grandfather's grandfather's grandfather.

You get the drift.

14 jaunte  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:19:28pm
"I don't believe that a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human"


I believe that's what they call a strawmonkey.

15 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:19:35pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently God's miracles don't include the scientific process.

Why do they seek to place limits on what God is capable of?

THAT is what I cannot for the life of me understand.
I'll repeat what I know I've said before - it is the ultimate rejection of God to refuse to use the brains He gave us to appreciate the complexity of the world He gave us.

16 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:20:23pm

Thanks, Charles, for saving me the trouble of creating a Page about this ;) Seriously though, you've got to love the "srsly, moron?" look Kim Campbell gives Kingston - and her bringing up the example of drug-resistant bacteria. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a better on-TV smackdown of an AGW and evolution-denying douche. Makes me wish she could be Prime Minister of Canada again!

17 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:20:36pm

It's astonishing that whenever the topic of evolution is brought up people see it as an optional "belief system" of sort. As if though they have an option to "believe" in whether evolution exists or not. This is almost like giving people the "option" to believe in physics, geology, or something more closely related like plate tectonics.

18 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:21:02pm

I don't "believe" in gravity!

/

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:22:03pm

Perhaps it is the way Georgian politicians like to make us refer to their state.

Every time one of them is quoted, I yell;

"GA!"

20 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:23:35pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

AAARRRGGGHHH!

In a few centuries, we will be like the back-country of someplace like Romania or Bhutan, scraping out a living from the soil and trying to entice tourists with the ruins of our glory days. What visitor from fabulously wealthy China and Europe will not want to see the Monument of the Fallen Arches, its golden plastic still shiny after all these centuries, or the Great Boneyard of Davis Monthan, where tourists will marvel that this quaint back-water once led the world in aviation and many other technologies?
If these people have their way, their 10 times great grandchildren cab aspire to be houseboys and sporting girls in tourist fleshpots like Vegas or Providence.

A party game of drunken Archaeology students is to figure out what future archaelogists will find and what they will name our culture. Favorites were "Turnkpike People" (persistence of ground features) and "Coca-Cola People" (persistent and vastly common artifact).

PS: Charles spell checker does not like "archaeology". You do not want to go into the battle between "Archaeology" and "Archeology". You don't.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:24:16pm

I, for one, am proud to claim kinship with the great monkey empire and other simian citizens.

Actually, monkeys are considerably more respectable, and in some cases more intelligent, than some of my human relatives (especially the creationists on the family tree).

22 jaunte  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:25:02pm

Oddly enough, Jack Kingston was born in Bryan Texas, home of well known creationist/dentist/Texas science education saboteur Don McLeroy.

23 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:27:07pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

THAT is what I cannot for the life of me understand.
I'll repeat what I know I've said before - it is the ultimate rejection of God to refuse to use the brains He gave us to appreciate the complexity of the world He gave us.

Which is why those mofos are basically evil and give people like us goosebumps.

24 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:27:43pm

I don't "believe" in math.

/

25 Jaerik  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:28:04pm

I don't know a single scientist who claims humans came from monkeys, or that a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being.

Unfortunately, our science education in this country is so poor, that's actually what most people believe evolution states.

26 nines09  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:30:12pm

All the monkeys aren't in a zoo, every day you will meet quite a few......PROOF!!!!!!!!

27 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:31:04pm

re: #25 Jaerik

I don't know a single scientist who claims humans came from monkeys, or that a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being.

Unfortunately, our science education in this country is so poor, that's actually what most people believe evolution states.

"I don't believe in the Theory of Electricity, and by "electricity", I mean the tentacles that reach out of the shower drain and grab the soap."

28 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:32:04pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

They limit his powers by their own mental limitations. A particularly limiting "heresy" agaist a God they claim is all powerful.

Hmm. Heresy or hypocrisy?

29 Kragar  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:32:13pm

So our options are:

a) use scientific priniciples and conclude that God created the universe billions of years ago and created life on this planet over millions of years, using observable phenomenon showing his brilliant subtley

or

b) trust 3000 year old folklore from Middle Eastern shepherds that God threw the whole thing together in about a week and everything else was fucking magic.

Decisions, decisions.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:32:18pm

"I have serious problems with fundamentalist Christians and their creationist theories. Although I believe that scripture is divinely inspired and infallible, I have a hard time going along with the belief that the whole creation process occurred in six twenty-four hour days. My skepticism is due, in part, to the fact that the Bible says that the sun wasn’t created until the fourth day of creation (Genesis 1:16-19). I have a hard time figuring how twenty-four hour days could have been measured before that."
-Tony Campolo

31 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:32:52pm

If you can watch this video and not see the, ahem, similarities between this chimpanzee's behavior and that of certain humans, there is no hope for you :P

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32 Kragar  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:33:45pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"I have serious problems with fundamentalist Christians and their creationist theories. Although I believe that scripture is divinely inspired and infallible, I have a hard time going along with the belief that the whole creation process occurred in six twenty-four hour days. My skepticism is due, in part, to the fact that the Bible says that the sun wasn’t created until the fourth day of creation (Genesis 1:16-19). I have a hard time figuring how twenty-four hour days could have been measured before that."
-Tony Campolo

In the beginning, there was nothing, then God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

There was still nothing, but now you could see it.

33 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:34:31pm

'Evil' being defined as a form of deliberate or involuntary lack of consciousness... "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" etc.

Personally, I'm not the forgiving type, and I ascribe that little bit of the New Testament to a bad translation of a more subtle thought.

But back to the concept of evil; if I'm not mistaken, the original meaning of the word 'sin' is also something akin to lack of consciousness. If you equate the idea of consciousness with certain forms of intelligence such as science, you can see where all this is leading, and why I qualify all these otherwise upstanding and decent folk as fundamentally evil.

Life is full of such paradoxes.

It's also terribly unjust.

34 Kragar  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:35:09pm

And just to piss off the creationists

Youtube Video
35 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:40:02pm
'I Didn't Come From No Monkey'

Maybe Jesus will come back before our people get too stupid to survive.

36 jaunte  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:40:14pm

Congressman Jack Kingston (R-GA) meets with members of Christians United for Israel:[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Max Blumenthal:

CUFI has an ulterior agenda: its support for Israel derives from the belief of Hagee and his flock that Jesus will return to Jerusalem after the battle of Armageddon and cleanse the earth of evil. In the end, all the non-believers - Jews, Muslims, Hindus, mainline Christians, etc. - must convert or suffer the torture of eternal damnation. Over a dozen CUFI members eagerly revealed to me their excitement at the prospect of Armageddon occurring tomorrow. Among the rapture ready was Republican Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.
Vimeo
37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:41:02pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

I'd just start over somewhere else.

38 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:41:28pm

The video is exciting! Kim Campbell is amazing!

The question, "Why should we support something we're not sure about."

Even if you take climate change out of it, finding better resources for energy is a win win for everyone. Cleaner sources, healthier planet, healthier us, less dependency on foreign oil, cheaper, possibly recyclable. It's money well spent. Some people have this overwhelming fear of moving into the future, I guess.

39 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:43:01pm

This man clearly didn't come from primates: Most of them are far more intelligent than this guy. Therefore, Rep. Kingston must have come from another, more primative evolutionary path.

40 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:43:06pm

In the beginning there was...

Sometimes some questions are too big to ask and most certainly too big to answer. Especially on an anecdotal basis. We can all wait and see the resulting research at the Large Hadron Collider involving the Higgs boson. Until then I am perfectly content in not having an answer to the beginning of the universe we see today.

41 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:43:20pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"I have serious problems with fundamentalist Christians and their creationist theories. Although I believe that scripture is divinely inspired and infallible, I have a hard time going along with the belief that the whole creation process occurred in six twenty-four hour days. My skepticism is due, in part, to the fact that the Bible says that the sun wasn’t created until the fourth day of creation (Genesis 1:16-19). I have a hard time figuring how twenty-four hour days could have been measured before that."
-Tony Campolo

Speaking of the 24-hour cycle - here you go.
Scientists Find the Tiny 24-Hour Clock in Every Living Thing

To pique your curiousity, here's the first part of it:

Scientists have identified the mechanism that controls the internal 24-hour clock of all forms of life -- from us to algae.

Researchers from Britain's Cambridge and Edinburgh universities, whose work was published in the journal Nature on Wednesday, said their findings provide important insight into health-related problems linked to people such as nurses, pilots and other shift workers, whose body clocks are disrupted.

The studies also suggest that the 24-hour circadian clock found in human cells is the same as that found in algae, and dates back millions of years to early life on earth, they said.

In the first study, Cambridge scientists found for the first time that red blood cells have a 24-hour rhythm.

This is significant, they explained, because circadian rhythms have always been assumed to be linked to DNA and gene activity -- but, unlike most other cells in the body, red blood cells do not have DNA.

42 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:43:46pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

Maybe Jesus will come back before our people get too stupid to survive.

Fat chance. Once burned, twice shy.

43 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:44:17pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also Jesus, when asked when he would return, said (paraphrase) "what is a million years to a god?"

44 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:45:11pm

re: #42 ryannon

Correction: Once bitten, twice shy.

45 Kragar  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:46:28pm

re: #43 prairiefire

Also Jesus, when asked when he would return, said (paraphrase) "what is a million years to a god?"

You're asking people who think the Earth is only 5000 years old. Somebody do the conversion.

46 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:49:23pm

re: #36 jaunte

Congressman Jack Kingston (R-GA) meets with members of Christians United for Israel:[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Max Blumenthal:

The way I see this, obviously, I don't think they're right, but who cares. I mean, they are entitled to that belief. But I'm entitled to mine. One of us is going to be right and I think that's me! But who knows and why should I care. If they want to help support Israel, let them. They don't hurt Jews otherwise. Christianity was birthed from Jerusalem, after all, well from Bethlehem technically :)

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:49:48pm

re: #44 ryannon

Correction: Once bitten nailed to a tree, twice shy.

Artistic license.

48 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:56:34pm

Anyway, not necessary for Him to come back. His whole message was to accept Him in your heart. 'Nuff said.

49 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:59:54pm

Actually, the full quote of what he said at first was:

And, “I don’t believe a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being one day.”

Ok - well, the theory of evolution doesn't indicate that happened one day, so he's safe there.

Then he goes on to say that if it happened over millions of years, there would be evidence.

Well, there is evidence.

First you claim that people said things that they never said and say that they are wrong, and then you claim that there's no evidence for what they did say even though such evidence exists.

It's an absolutely foolproof system.

50 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:02:06pm

re: #6 jamesfirecat

Mismas, you fool, say it with me, mismas!

HEY! I CAME FROM A DARK, EVIL MIASMA!
Insensitive jerk!
/

51 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:03:11pm

re: #41 reine.de.tout

Just a hint of our kinship with every living thing on this globe. Note to separatists, creationists and any who would divide us-Take the effing HINT.

52 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:03:36pm

re: #18 Gus 802

I don't "believe" in gravity!

/

Aye, fuck gravity!
I CAN FLY!

53 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:04:25pm

My racist, alcoholic train wreck of a half brother got taken to the hospital yesterday with a BAC of 0.4%, visible jaundice and some kind of abdominal fluid buildup that needed draining.

Apparently now, to nobody's surprise, he's being a huge belligerent dick to the medical staff.

Dude is leaving Los Vegas in real time.

54 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:06:17pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

Aye, fuck gravity!
I CAN FLY!

Hey. You know reindeer can fly. But if you take a bunch of reindeer and throw them off the top of the Eiffel Tower one by one and none of them fly that doesn't prove that they can't fly. It only proves that those reindeer didn't want to fly.

//

55 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:06:54pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

My racist, alcoholic train wreck of a half brother got taken to the hospital yesterday with a BAC of 0.4%, visible jaundice and some kind of abdominal fluid buildup that needed draining.

Apparently now, to nobody's surprise, he's being a huge belligerent dick to the medical staff.

Dude is leaving Los Vegas in real time.

Charlie Sheen is your Brother?
/Teasing you..Sorry about your bro
kind regards

56 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:07:02pm

re: #25 Jaerik

I don't know a single scientist who claims humans came from monkeys, or that a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being.

Unfortunately, our science education in this country is so poor, that's actually what most people believe evolution states.

I'm not sure you can blame science education for willful ignorance which has now been fused with political ideology. People have been hearing for years outside of school that the theory of evolution is a socialist ploy by godless liberals that are out to redistribute wealth. They've heard it in their churches, in their coffee klatches, and now, on their teevees. Any actual science they learned has been systematically pounded out of their heads.

57 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:10:11pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Sorry to hear that. Hope you aren't responsible for him.

58 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:10:24pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

My racist, alcoholic train wreck of a half brother got taken to the hospital yesterday with a BAC of 0.4%, visible jaundice and some kind of abdominal fluid buildup that needed draining.

Apparently now, to nobody's surprise, he's being a huge belligerent dick to the medical staff.

Dude is leaving Los Vegas in real time.

Sorry. There are things you can do, and some of them sometimes work.

59 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:14:01pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Can you get an involuntary commitment?
I'm sure you've thought of that.
((GDF)))

60 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:15:00pm

re: #49 Talking Point Detective

Actually, the full quote of what he said at first was:

Ok - well, the theory of evolution doesn't indicate that happened one day, so he's safe there.

Then he goes on to say that if it happened over millions of years, there would be evidence.

Well, there is evidence.

First you claim that people said things that they never said and say that they are wrong, and then you claim that there's no evidence for what they did say even though such evidence exists.

It's an absolutely foolproof system.

We are cousins of the Great Apes. We share DNA. Is it so hard to get? They don't even know why they disagree.

61 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:18:27pm

Personally, I come from pond scum.

Not to sound too snooty, but I can trace my roots, as it were, to the blue green variety. Unlike some here who are no doubt derivative of the Filamentous, Horsehair, or Brown varieties.

*walks away, high assed with nose in air*

62 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:18:41pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

We are cousins of the Great Apes. We share DNA. Is it so hard to get? They don't even know why they disagree.

They disagree because, in their minds, it makes humans not spayshul.
Or some such nonsense.

63 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:21:29pm

News report tonight that 19 private jets had left Egypt.
No details, on the intertubes.
[Link: blog.jetsettingmagazine.com...]

64 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:21:45pm

I'm starting to catch on to the Muslim Brotherhood nuance from watching Al Jazeera and reading American lefty apologists. Their claim is that The Muslim Brotherhood is harmless because they're A) no longer violent B) don't really want political power.
A) Bullshit. See Hamas,
B) Bullshit. They have to claim they really don't want to take over politically because that's the cover they use to avoid crackdown from the ruling dictators in Muslim countries.
The MB has become a very smart and powerful organization by not overplaying their hand. I hope I'm wrong but the Muslim Brotherhood has learned to play the game and they're playing it very well.

65 scienceisreal  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:21:47pm

There's a reason members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science are 9 times more likely to self identify as Democrats rather than Republicans.

66 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:22:23pm

"Where's the missing link?" Kingston asks.

I think it's missing. Otherwise, they'd call it the found link. So because science is incomplete, that makes it false? Good grief.

67 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:22:56pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

I'm starting to catch on to the Muslim Brotherhood nuance from watching Al Jazeera and reading American lefty apologists. Their claim is that The Muslim Brotherhood is harmless because they're A) no longer violent B) don't really want political power.
A) Bullshit. See Hamas,
B) Bullshit. They have to claim they really don't want to take over politically because that's the cover they use to avoid crackdown from the ruling dictators in Muslim countries.
The MB has become a very smart and powerful organization by not overplaying their hand. I hope I'm wrong but the Muslim Brotherhood has learned to play the game and they're playing it very well.

Wish I had more than 1 upding for that.

68 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:23:03pm

re: #66 marjoriemoon

"Where's the missing link?" Kingston asks.

I think it's missing. Otherwise, they'd call it the found link. So because science is incomplete, that makes it false? Good grief.

THE MISSING LINK IS GOD!!!
/Heads asplode

69 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:23:21pm

re: #63 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Search Google for it, and most of the hits are for a SCUBA Community blog!

70 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:23:23pm

re: #63 Floral Giraffe

If I was an Egyption with enough $$ to have a private jet, damn right I'd get my family out of dodge!

71 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:24:49pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

They disagree because, in their minds, it makes humans not spayshul.
Or some such nonsense.

Makes their heads explode to think that (literally) Jesus, Joseph and Mary were descended from a bunch of chimpanzees. Hard to get one's mind around that one, I'd say.

72 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:26:55pm

AQ, MB. Roots. Same difference.

73 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:27:08pm

re: #70 daddylawbucks

Particularly if you had been a supporter and beneficiary of Mubarick.

74 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:27:24pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

I'm starting to catch on to the Muslim Brotherhood nuance from watching Al Jazeera and reading American lefty apologists. Their claim is that The Muslim Brotherhood is harmless because they're A) no longer violent B) don't really want political power.
A) Bullshit. See Hamas,
B) Bullshit. They have to claim they really don't want to take over politically because that's the cover they use to avoid crackdown from the ruling dictators in Muslim countries.
The MB has become a very smart and powerful organization by not overplaying their hand. I hope I'm wrong but the Muslim Brotherhood has learned to play the game and they're playing it very well.

Certainly makes sense to me. You know, Hamas got a little more friendly to the masses when they stopped homicide bombing, preferring to lob missiles instead. The mass killing of innocents anywhere is never good press for the bombers. I guess missiles are acceptable (?)

Oh, and btw, the EDL is just a "human rights organization" (go read their website). M'kay??

Anyway, yea, they're learning.

75 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:30:33pm

Correct me if I screw this up:
1. No one with an unbiased view would support the Repub. economic program, which is the raison d'etre for the existence of the right wing.

2. There are lots of people who will suppress their native intelligence out of terror at change they do not understand, these people will buy the anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-science platform that the right wing is selling.

So selling the ignorance platform is the way to have enough representation to carry the economic side.

Not that I'm opinionated...

76 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:30:35pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

We are cousins of the Great Apes. We share DNA. Is it so hard to get? They don't even know why they disagree.

To a certain mindset, every word in the book must be true,
Or else the book isn't true,
Or else the religion isn't true,
And then the afterlife isn't safe,
And then they stand alone in front of the great fear.

77 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:31:10pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

We are cousins of the Great Apes. We share DNA. Is it so hard to get? They don't even know why they disagree.

I agree.

Ostensibly, their disagreement is religious in nature, but there are plenty of Christians - many of whom find inspiration in the bible, that see nothing mutually exclusive about evolution and their faith.

I think the disagreement is fundamentally political in nature, and religious on the second order. Libz, because of their politics, are an existential threat. Thus, the need to demonize libz is a tap root that grows wildly in all directions.

78 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:31:14pm

Ook ook!

79 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:31:45pm

re: #66 marjoriemoon

"Where's the missing link?" Kingston asks.

I think it's missing. Otherwise, they'd call it the found link. So because science is incomplete, that makes it false? Good grief.

I love how in the Futurama Episode "A clockwork Origin" whenever the Professor points out that scientists have found fosiles linking two steps in human evolution together the "Creatureist" proponents rebuttal "Aha, well where is the fosile linking this and the one that came before it!"

80 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:32:08pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

To a certain mindset, every word in the book must be true,
Or else the book isn't true,
Or else the religion isn't true,
And then the afterlife isn't safe,
And then they stand alone in front of the great fear.

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

81 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:32:21pm

re: #73 Floral Giraffe

Exactly, even if "beneficiary" was not more than an upper level civil engineering type job.

82 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:33:28pm

re: #41 reine.de.tout

Waaayyy back, when the ancestors of what would become today's algae and the single cell ancestors of what would become us a day on the Earth was... much shorter.

The Earth day probably started out around 18hrs in duration, and by the time dinosaurs appeared it was 23 hours (and some minutes). Today each day is a barely shorter than exactly 24 hours.

This is due to the Moon-Earth interaction. As the moon inches (every year) away from the Earth our days will become longer. By the time the Moon reaches its destination (roughly a third farther from us than it is today) our days will probably be over 25 hours long.

So, if all living things today have a 24 hour rhythm at the cellular level then that time length isn't hard coded into a shared (common descent) bit of DNA. Rather it suggests living cells' metabolism is tied to the change in radiation that is sensed every day.

This makes a lot of sense if we realize that the earliest cells (that would have been away from a thermal vent) could have relied on the daily heating cycle to provide energy flow that is essential to metabolism.

A neat thing to ponder, unless one believes all species were created 6000 years ago...

83 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:34:33pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

To a certain mindset, every word in the book must be true,
Or else the book isn't true,
Or else the religion isn't true,
And then the afterlife isn't safe,
And then they stand alone in front of the great fear.

The Rambam who was a physician, a philosopher and a rabbi, said that if science proves something wrong in the Torah/Mishnah, it isn't that the book is wrong, but it's the book we don't understand and we have to go back. That can speak to the 6 days of creation not being 24 hour days.

84 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:34:39pm

re: #81 daddylawbucks

The report I heard while driving in the car this afternoon, mentioned the owner of the Cairo TV station. I just don't find confirmation on the internet.

85 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:36:16pm

Here it is!
[Link: www.forbes.com...]

86 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:36:37pm

As one would expect, at that Fox link (on the cells' rhythm) the comments have delved into creationism.

87 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:36:58pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

When someone asked if there was an atheist symbol, a couple of us happened to post the photo of the same military grave of a light colonel. The blog where I found it had a good discussion of the superior courage of the unbelieving soldier. He stood his ground, knowing everything he would ever be was about to be destroyed.

88 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:37:31pm

re: #82 freetoken

Waaayyy back, when the ancestors of what would become today's algae and the single cell ancestors of what would become us a day on the Earth was... much shorter.

The Earth day probably started out around 18hrs in duration, and by the time dinosaurs appeared it was 23 hours (and some minutes). Today each day is a barely shorter than exactly 24 hours.

This is due to the Moon-Earth interaction. As the moon inches (every year) away from the Earth our days will become longer. By the time the Moon reaches its destination (roughly a third farther from us than it is today) our days will probably be over 25 hours long.

So, if all living things today have a 24 hour rhythm at the cellular level then that time length isn't hard coded into a shared (common descent) bit of DNA. Rather it suggests living cells' metabolism is tied to the change in radiation that is sensed every day.

This makes a lot of sense if we realize that the earliest cells (that would have been away from a thermal vent) could have relied on the daily heating cycle to provide energy flow that is essential to metabolism.

A neat thing to ponder, unless one believes all species were created 6000 years ago...

I see it all so clearly now. Since evolution is a lie we therefore have all of the species that will ever exist. We also know that species can die out. Ladies and gentlemen, I am now of the belief that we locked into some sort of conflict on the species level of Highlander proportions. There can be only one!

89 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:38:38pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Oh, and btw, the EDL is just a "human rights organization" (go read their website). M'kay??


Very good analogy.

90 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:39:58pm

John Adams: Christian Zeal and Activity. Just let it play and be very, very patient. Not mockery, and only for the very, very intelligent:

Youtube Video
91 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:42:49pm

re: #86 freetoken

As one would expect, at that Fox link (on the cells' rhythm) the comments have delved into creationism.

Image: 4672844126_77dbc76869.jpg

92 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:42:58pm

Kitty Midnight Madness

Youtube Video
93 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:44:55pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Very good analogy.

It dawned on me this afternoon when I started thinking about all these horrible, violent based organizations that have gotten the warm and fuzzy treatment. I don't get it.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:46:41pm

re: #43 prairiefire

Also Jesus, when asked when he would return, said (paraphrase) "what is a million years to a god?"

Of course, he also said, "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Jesus was clear as a bell on the social justice stuff, but the mystical stuff tends to be harder to interpret.

95 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:48:28pm

re: #93 marjoriemoon

Just like Sarah and Michelle want what is "best for America". Or Regan economics is "good for the country", hiding in the cloak of disguise.

96 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:51:45pm

re: #77 Talking Point Detective

I agree.

Ostensibly, their disagreement is religious in nature, but there are plenty of Christians - many of whom find inspiration in the bible, that see nothing mutually exclusive about evolution and their faith.

I think the disagreement is fundamentally political in nature, and religious on the second order. Libz, because of their politics, are an existential threat. Thus, the need to demonize libz is a tap root that grows wildly in all directions.

I don't like it. I know of Jews who disagree with me. However, Christians aren't exuding any negative influences in Israel. They've been driven out themselves by the Palestinians from 1/4 million to about 25,000 in Bethlehem.

It falls to this mainly for me. Someone wants to help you, bring in tourism, support your people, do you ask them first, "Oh btw, do you believe in Armageddon?" Kinda silly.

97 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:52:49pm

The south is kind of like that. The vast majority of people I have encountered down here are Obama hating Republican supporting liberal detecting gun loving folk. One woman I was talking with the other day referred to Connecticut as a communist state.

98 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:53:24pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, he also said, "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Jesus was clear as a bell on the social justice stuff, but the mystical stuff tends to be harder to interpret.

It's passed through so many languages and translations that it's a miracle that it means anything at all to anyone.

99 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:54:17pm

Bill Maher's the one to talk: Vaccination science according to Maher.

You get two nuts in one room, it's time to send in the squirrels.

100 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:55:49pm

re: #97 dragonfire1981

The south is kind of like that. The vast majority of people I have encountered down here are Obama hating Republican supporting liberal detecting gun loving folk. One woman I was talking with the other day referred to Connecticut as a communist state.

That's true 'nuff. A couple years ago the biggest Baptist church in our Lower Alabama town had an announcement on their marquee: "Pray for our young missionaries in Connecticut". Tough duty.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:55:56pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

People are very rarely "A) no longer violent".

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:55:57pm

Guitar freaks, check this out:

Youtube Video

(songs gets going about 1:41)

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:56:29pm

re: #66 marjoriemoon

"Where's the missing link?" Kingston asks.

I think it's missing. Otherwise, they'd call it the found link. So because science is incomplete, that makes it false? Good grief.

Back when they were running all the articles about Ardipithecus, the Hot Air people went nuts, mostly mocking it. One woman demanded to know--naturally--where all the 'half human, half ape' fossils were.

One guy said, God bless him, "Well, have you looked at the pictures of this fossil? It looks about like that to me."

The 'missing link' has become this ridiculous thing that can never be found, because the definition of it is based on a total misunderstanding of the science.

104 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:56:48pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Reminds me of the late night commercials of Cal Worthington!

Youtube Video
105 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:57:19pm

re: #98 ryannon

It's passed through so many languages and translations that it's a miracle that it means anything at all to anyone.

Actually, the translations have been quite careful. The serious biblical scholar reads several, and schools him/her-self in some of the languages to top it off, then reads it in one of the root languages.

The Bible, seen just as a text document, hasn't been massively corrupted by errors of translation.

Our Jewish friends, please weigh in on this as it pertains to the English translations of books we share.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:57:27pm

re: #70 daddylawbucks

If I was an Egyption with enough $$ to have a private jet, damn right I'd get my family out of dodge!

"Hey kids, we're gonna go skiing in Switzerland! Everybody pack your stuff!"

107 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:58:03pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

That's true 'nuff. A couple years ago the biggest Baptist church in our Lower Alabama town had an announcement on their marquee: "Pray for our young missionaries in Connecticut". Tough duty.

My ex-inlaws are from Eufaula. Did I tell you that. I love Southern AL. It's so beautiful. Lots of green rolling hills.

108 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:58:48pm

re: #98 ryannon

It's passed through so many languages and translations that it's a miracle that it means anything at all to anyone.

Which is why I believe the fundamentalists are more "religious" than most here.

109 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:59:14pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

You bet, one may recall the change of power in Indonesia back in the 1960's......lots of dead upper-middle class folks.

110 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:00:07pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

That's true 'nuff. A couple years ago the biggest Baptist church in our Lower Alabama town had an announcement on their marquee: "Pray for our young missionaries in Connecticut". Tough duty.

yeah, BUT
would you describe that as the "vast majority" of people you know?

We have our few. But the "vast majority"?
Naw.

111 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Back when they were running all the articles about Ardipithecus, the Hot Air people went nuts, mostly mocking it. One woman demanded to know--naturally--where all the 'half human, half ape' fossils were.

One guy said, God bless him, "Well, have you looked at the pictures of this fossil? It looks about like that to me."

The 'missing link' has become this ridiculous thing that can never be found, because the definition of it is based on a total misunderstanding of the science.

Exactly. It's the language we use. "Descended from apes." It's more like we're different branches of the same tree, but that's like, 5 extra words :p

112 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:01:24pm

re: #107 marjoriemoon

My ex-inlaws are from Eufaula. Did I tell you that. I love Southern AL. It's so beautiful. Lots of green rolling hills.

Eufaula is "up North". (My boat is rotting there.) Here the rolling hills are fossil beaches. The green is kudzu.

113 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:01:24pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

yeah, BUT
would you describe that as the "vast majority" of people you know?

We have our few. But the "vast majority"?
Naw.

AL =/= LA.

114 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:03:13pm

CNN just said that Hillary will be on the "Sunday morning talk shows" tomorrow. But didn't say which.

115 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:05:07pm

re: #114 marjoriemoon

CNN just said that Hillary will be on the "Sunday morning talk shows" tomorrow. But didn't say which.

All of them. Seriously, she's booked on at least five, they said.

116 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:05:20pm

re: #105 lostlakehiker

Actually, the translations have been quite careful. The serious biblical scholar reads several, and schools him/her-self in some of the languages to top it off, then reads it in one of the root languages.

The Bible, seen just as a text document, hasn't been massively corrupted by errors of translation.

Our Jewish friends, please weigh in on this as it pertains to the English translations of books we share.

I see what you're saying, but I beg to differ - in the sense that I've seen demonstrations of what you term 'corruption' (or mistranslations/interpretations) of some key elements which make perfect sense once the original text is....I've forgotten the word...elucidated(?). Whatever. My feeling is that the original power and resonance of those books - the language that permitted one to experience those words as veritably inspired and Holy, have been lost. Partly as a result of the very painstaking erudition you mention above, and partly because of pure semantics.

117 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:05:30pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Eufaula is "up North". (My boat is rotting there.) Here the rolling hills are fossil beaches. The green is kudzu.

I don't think I've been to the coast. My inlaws lived on the river. It was lovely.

118 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:06:27pm

re: #115 JasonA

All of them. Seriously, she's booked on at least five, they said.

She's been looking a bit tired lately. Can't say I blame her.

119 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:06:37pm

re: #115 JasonA

All of them. Seriously, she's booked on at least five, they said.

I just checked Meet the Press, Face the Nation, and This Week, and they all have her tomorrow.

120 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:07:41pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

The 'missing link' has become this ridiculous thing that can never be found, because the definition of it is based on a total misunderstanding of the science.

It's a never ending problem of fractal resolution, every time one goes from missing to found two more missing links pop into virtual existence.

121 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:08:01pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

yeah, BUT
would you describe that as the "vast majority" of people you know?

We have our few. But the "vast majority"?
Naw.

You are freakin' cosmopolitan. His statement describes my barbershop to a 'T'. Our town itself is better because of a strong outside military presence. Once a month I have lunch with a libertarian, a ZOG conspirator, and a guy who would be a klansman if he was more sociable. These are the people around that I enjoy most. (To be fair, I hang with the Habitat folks and the small Catholic community most of the time.)

122 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:09:15pm

Christ, she's on Fox News Sunday too.

123 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:11:57pm

Evening lizards! What's the latest on the Egypt crisis? I've been working or sleeping all week.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:13:50pm

re: #105 lostlakehiker

Actually, the translations have been quite careful. The serious biblical scholar reads several, and schools him/her-self in some of the languages to top it off, then reads it in one of the root languages.

The Bible, seen just as a text document, hasn't been massively corrupted by errors of translation.

Our Jewish friends, please weigh in on this as it pertains to the English translations of books we share.

There's a long and meandery history of the text, all of it, of course, but accepting the Masoretic text as authoritative, the history of translation into English is pretty good. The King James, in my opinion is still the most beautiful, although the scholars were working with some limitations in terms of being able to put uncommon words into context, and some grammatical issues. (Those endless 'ands' are a grammatical issue.)

If you don't read Hebrew, I recommend the Everett Fox translation to get a sense of what the Hebrew is 'like'. He translates very literally, and tries to use English syntax and punctuation to show the rhythm and emphasis of the original language. The beginning of Genesis becomes:

At the beginning of God's creating of the heavens and earth,
when the earth was wild and waste,
darkness over the face of Ocean,
rushing-spirit of God hovering over the face of the waters--

God said: Let there be light! And there was light.
God saw the light; that it was good.
God separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light: Day! and the darkness he called: Night!
There was setting, there was dawning: one day.

125 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:15:06pm

We are all descended from bears, not monkeys.

Sheesh, everyone knows that.

Good night.

126 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:16:00pm

re: #116 ryannon

I see what you're saying, but I beg to differ - in the sense that I've seen demonstrations of what you term 'corruption' (or mistranslations/interpretations) of some key elements which make perfect sense once the original text is...I've forgotten the word...elucidated(?). Whatever. My feeling is that the original power and resonance of those books - the language that permitted one to experience those words as veritably inspired and Holy, have been lost. Partly as a result of the very painstaking erudition you mention above, and partly because of pure semantics.

But what I'm saying is that almost any translation, while particular passages may be a bit obscure, has as one permissible interpretation the one that's common to them all.


The King James version does a fine job by me. It's tolerably faithful to the source material, and all translation is to some extent art. One must be gifted in the target language, as well as master of the source language, to render the feel of the source text.

127 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:16:34pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

I like that (Everett Fox).

128 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:17:18pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a long and meandery history of the text, all of it, of course, but accepting the Masoretic text as authoritative, the history of translation into English is pretty good. The King James, in my opinion is still the most beautiful, although the scholars were working with some limitations in terms of being able to put uncommon words into context, and some grammatical issues. (Those endless 'ands' are a grammatical issue.)

If you don't read Hebrew, I recommend the Everett Fox translation to get a sense of what the Hebrew is 'like'. He translates very literally, and tries to use English syntax and punctuation to show the rhythm and emphasis of the original language. The beginning of Genesis becomes:

At the beginning of God's creating of the heavens and earth,
when the earth was wild and waste,
darkness over the face of Ocean,
rushing-spirit of God hovering over the face of the waters--

God said: Let there be light! And there was light.
God saw the light; that it was good.
God separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light: Day! and the darkness he called: Night!
There was setting, there was dawning: one day.

That's beautiful.

129 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:21:00pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

You are freakin' cosmopolitan. His statement describes my barbershop to a 'T'. Our town itself is better because of a strong outside military presence. Once a month I have lunch with a libertarian, a ZOG conspirator, and a guy who would be a klansman if he was more sociable. These are the people around that I enjoy most. (To be fair, I hang with the Habitat folks and the small Catholic community most of the time.)

Yeah, I keep forgetting - I hardly ever think about N. La., 'cause I spend exactly ZERO time there, but when I do - it's exactly that.

130 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:21:51pm

re: #125 Ojoe

We are all descended from bears, not monkeys.

Sheesh, everyone knows that.

Good night.

That explains why Theodore Roosevelt liked to engage in fisticuffs with them when he wasn't in the White House being President. Must be some feral hierarchical instinct that evolution had mostly suppressed.

131 Tigger2005  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:22:49pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, he also said, "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Jesus was clear as a bell on the social justice stuff, but the mystical stuff tends to be harder to interpret.

It's not so difficult to understand if you don't start from the premise that Jesus actually existed and actually said all the stuff the Gospels say he said.

132 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:24:06pm

Hey all!

Do monkey's come from God?

How are you-all this evening?

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:24:45pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I keep forgetting - I hardly ever think about N. La., 'cause I spend exactly ZERO time there, but when I do - it's exactly that.

It's humid. And rather scary. I recommend staying away, personally.

134 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:25:09pm

re: #126 lostlakehiker

But what I'm saying is that almost any translation, while particular passages may be a bit obscure, has as one permissible interpretation the one that's common to them all.

The King James version does a fine job by me. It's tolerably faithful to the source material, and all translation is to some extent art. One must be gifted in the target language, as well as master of the source language, to render the feel of the source text.


Not to trivialize, but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. And the Bible never really swung for me - in the sense of those words jumping out in letters of fire or silk or drops of nectar and being a transformative experience.

135 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:26:34pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

. . .

At the beginning of God's creating of the heavens and earth,
when the earth was wild and waste,
darkness over the face of Ocean,
rushing-spirit of God hovering over the face of the waters--

God said: Let there be light! And there was light.
God saw the light; that it was good.
God separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light: Day! and the darkness he called: Night!
There was setting, there was dawning: one day.


That's beautiful

136 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:26:47pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

It's humid. And rather scary. I recommend staying away, personally.

One bad crawfish and you're sour on the place for life.

137 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:28:20pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

It's humid. And rather scary. I recommend staying away, personally.

We're humid all over.
But it's seriously not as scary in S. La. Really, it isn't. (I'll admit I'm not a big fan of N. La., hope I'm not offending a whole bunch of people).

138 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:28:57pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

One bad crawfish and you're sour on the place for life.

Avoid the ones with the straight tails.
And you'll be OK.

139 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:28:57pm

Down here in the "other south" -- Los Angeles, we have Tommys, one bad burger and you feel the same way. Good night Lizzards. Lets hope the news from Egypt is not too awful tomorrow.

140 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:29:10pm

Well, at least someone has a sense of humor:

Biden thinks The Onion’s spoofs of him are ‘hilarious’

Heh.

141 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:30:35pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

We left coasters don't do warm humidity well.

142 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:32:01pm

Reine. E-Mail confirmation sent. Did you get the Clay Pot recipe I posted?

143 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:32:21pm

re: #139 daddylawbucks

Tommy's burgers will eat the paint off your car.
At least In & Out is fresh ingredients & freshly made.

144 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:34:18pm

re: #140 Lidane

Well, at least someone has a sense of humor:

Biden thinks The Onion’s spoofs of him are ‘hilarious’

Heh.

I suppose we're gonna see one with him, shirtless with a '67 Vette now!

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:34:24pm

re: #132 ggt

Hey all!

Do monkey's come from God?

How are you-all this evening?

Monkey's what?

(Kidding. But I do get giddy when someone makes a grammatical error that I make with some consistency.)

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:35:54pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

The latest on Egypt?

I'm glad I am here and not there.

147 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:36:08pm

Yep, the future is here.

148 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:36:10pm

This has been going around. Our state has the highest church attendance.

United States of Awesome:

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

149 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:36:54pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Monkey's what?

(Kidding. But I do get giddy when someone makes a grammatical error that I make with some consistency.)

My fingers are having all kinds of problems lately. Like they hit the "post" button unstead of the "preview" button :)

150 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:37:01pm

And goodnight, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are....

Youtube Video
151 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:38:11pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

This has been going around. Our state has the highest church attendance.

United States of Awesome:

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Mine is "most average". Is that a good thing?

152 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:38:40pm

re: #151 ggt

Mine is "most average". Is that a good thing?

Yes and no.

153 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:38:50pm

re: #151 ggt

Mine is "most average". Is that a good thing?

And I"m in Illinois. What does that say about the rest of the country?

:))

154 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:39:23pm

re: #144 marjoriemoon

I suppose we're gonna see one with him, shirtless with a '67 Vette now!

The New York Times article they refer to is funny. The Onion have decided that the best way to spoof Biden is to make him the total opposite of who he really is, but they're also facing too much material to work with:

The result has been endless fodder for Biden jokes — too many, in fact, for The Onion to publish. So at a time when no major news media outlet has a reporter dedicated solely to covering the vice president, writers at The Onion are generating so many story ideas about Mr. Biden that editors have to turn them down.

“We have a backlog of Biden jokes,” said Will Tracy, The Onion’s associate editor. One idea Mr. Tracy said he had to nix: a spread by the vice president in Playgirl inspired by Burt Reynolds, whose nude pose for Cosmopolitan in 1972 on a bearskin rug became an emblem of 1970s hedonism.

“We decided it was almost too big time for him,” Mr. Tracy said. “We like it better when Joe Biden is doing very small-time stuff, like getting kicked out of Dave & Buster’s, not appearing on the cover of a major national magazine.”

155 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:40:57pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

This has been going around. Our state has the highest church attendance.

United States of Awesome:

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Texas has the Most Wind Power Production? Considering our politicians and all the hot air they spew, I'm not surprised. =P

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:43:16pm

re: #151 ggt

Mine is "most average". Is that a good thing?

California is 'safest for workers'.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:43:53pm

Hypothetical question.

You have a "friend" who is looking for a very easy to read place to go for information on Egypt.

He's not very smart, but wants to get a rudimentary grasp on what is going on.

Where would you to tell him where to go look.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:44:55pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

California is 'safest for workers'.

Because of the high unemployment rate?
/

Oh... that wasn't funny.

159 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:45:06pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hypothetical question.

You have a "friend" who is looking for a very easy to read place to go for information on Egypt.

He's not very smart, but wants to get a rudimentary grasp on what is going on.

Where would you to tell him where to go look.

Are you talking about CV?

160 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:45:23pm

re: #155 Lidane

Texas has the Most Wind Power Production? Considering our politicians and all the hot air they spew, I'm not surprised. =P

I liked the other one, too. U.S. of Shame

Image: The-United-States-of-Shame.png

Wisconsin gets "binge drinking". Well, it's cold up there!

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:45:40pm

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Because of the high unemployment rate?
/

Oh... that wasn't funny.

Well, my husband is very safe in our computer room.

//

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:46:29pm

re: #159 ggt

That's the ticket! He and his wife, Morgan Fairchild, are wanting to learn more.

163 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:47:30pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hypothetical question.

You have a "friend" who is looking for a very easy to read place to go for information on Egypt.

He's not very smart, but wants to get a rudimentary grasp on what is going on.

Where would you to tell him where to go look.

[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]

164 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:48:40pm

Speaking of creationists, former MN gov and apparent presidential wannabe Tim Pawlenty will give a lecture in about a week, in Iowa:


Book Brings GOP's Pawlenty Back to Iowa

For the first time since leaving office, Minnesota Republican Tim Pawlenty is Iowa bound.

The former governor arrives Sunday for two days of book events. Pawlenty is promoting "Courage to Stand," but he's also working to build his brand as he moves toward a likely run for president.

Pawlenty has been in Iowa about a half-dozen times since ruling out another campaign for governor.

His itinerary this time includes stops in Ankeny and West Des Moines.

He heads back to Iowa on Feb. 7 to deliver a lecture to a socially conservative group known as The Family Leader

"The Family Leader" is an extremely active, extremely anti-homosexual organization recently set up by Iowa politician (and dominionist) Bob Vander Plaats.

Vander Plaats was behind the move that got 3 of the Iowa SC justices removed in the last election, because they had rule in favor of gay marriage. The other justices did too, but they weren't up for election, so now Vander Plaats is demanding that they resign their position on the Iowa SC, or he will make sure they are voted out of office next time.

Anyway, Vander Plaats continues his tour around Iowa in an attempt to stack the Iowa GOP caucuses so that only candidates who condemn gay marriage will be in the caucuses.

That is why Pawlenty is visiting Vander Plaats group - to get the Family Leader imprimatur on the Pawlenty name.

165 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:50:25pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hypothetical question.

You have a "friend" who is looking for a very easy to read place to go for information on Egypt.

He's not very smart, but wants to get a rudimentary grasp on what is going on.

Where would you to tell him where to go look.

I was looking at Al Jazaerra in English this morning. They had some live video. They're also running a lot of "filler", as are the U.S. new stations when nothing is happening so one could catch up.

166 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:51:55pm

I really don't understand the Creationist concept.

It makes NO sense.

Oh, you say it is a means to control people and get their votes.

Ah, I get it.

167 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:54:16pm

re: #165 marjoriemoon

I was looking at Al Jazaerra in English this morning. They had some live video. They're also running a lot of "filler", as are the U.S. new stations when nothing is happening so one could catch up.

They're running something else entirely on that feed now...just checking.

168 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:54:19pm

I asked a friend's daughter, who goes to the local Christian High School, if they taught evolution. She said they taught both and also taught them how to deal with the controversy in favor of Evolution.

In other words, one does not exclude the other.

169 bratwurst  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:54:28pm

re: #164 freetoken

Speaking of creationists, former MN gov and apparent presidential wannabe Tim Pawlenty will give a lecture in about a week, in Iowa:

Book Brings GOP's Pawlenty Back to Iowa

"The Family Leader" is an extremely active, extremely anti-homosexual organization recently set up by Iowa politician (and dominionist) Bob Vander Plaats.

Vander Plaats was behind the move that got 3 of the Iowa SC justices removed in the last election, because they had rule in favor of gay marriage. The other justices did too, but they weren't up for election, so now Vander Plaats is demanding that they resign their position on the Iowa SC, or he will make sure they are voted out of office next time.


Favorited for the inevitable occasion when one of our GOP talking point parrots tries to paint Pawlenty as an acceptably moderate.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:54:57pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

You owe me a monitor.

171 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:55:11pm

re: #160 marjoriemoon

I liked the other one, too. U.S. of Shame

Image: The-United-States-of-Shame.png

We're worst at high school graduation? Given our pathetic State Board of Education, that doesn't surprise me either. Hell, right now here in Austin the school district is facing having to close at least 15 schools to save money because of the state budget deficit that doesn't technically exist. It's put whole communities around here in an uproar.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:55:45pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Y'all need to click that.

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:55:49pm

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You owe me a monitor.

Check's in the mail

174 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:55:54pm

re: #166 ggt

It was a way for people who never traveled farther than 10 miles from where they were born, and interact with no others except within that area, to make sense of the world around them.

Life is full of hardship yet because of our modern inventions we've overcome most of them. To people who lived where half their children would die before adulthood, having reassurance that the world worked in a simple and easy to understood manner is obviously one source of possible comfort for the psyche.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:57:07pm

re: #171 Lidane

It might not technically exist. But I'd be willing to bet that it does exist.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:58:34pm

Look at the time!

G'night knuckleheads!

177 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:59:08pm

re: #174 freetoken

It was a way for people who never traveled farther than 10 miles from where they were born, and interact with no others except within that area, to make sense of the world around them.

Life is full of hardship yet because of our modern inventions we've overcome most of them. To people who lived where half their children would die before adulthood, having reassurance that the world worked in a simple and easy to understood manner is obviously one source of possible comfort for the psyche.

I went to Roman Catholic School. I learned evolution.

I have faith and I "believe" in evolution/natural selection. I guess I don't see the controversy except in the light that it can be used to manipulate people.

178 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:59:32pm

re: #169 bratwurst

Just wait until the actual speech - it ought to be a good one.

The Tea Partying dominionist takeover of the Iowa GOP is pretty much complete and since they took over the Iowa House in the last election they've been trying to out do the Texas legislature. Just the other day they introduced a bill to make an amendment to the Iowa constitution that not only makes gay marriage illegal, but also any sort of civil arrangement for two gay people. And they went one step further - the proposed amendment states that Iowa would not recognize other states' gay marriages.

When Pawlenty gives his speech he'll have to make some sort of mention to this issue, as it is The Family Leader's #1 issue.

179 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:00:08pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It might not technically exist. But I'd be willing to bet that it does exist.

Oh, it exists. However, we have a "balanced budget amendment" and a bunch of idiots running this state who would rather eat glass than pay taxes for anything, but still expect the state to do everything. The end result? Texas will overcome its deficit by slashing services and programs to make up the difference.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:00:13pm

re: #171 Lidane

My son's in Austin right now playing music somewhere.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:00:58pm

re: #171 Lidane

We're worst at high school graduation? Given our pathetic State Board of Education, that doesn't surprise me either. Hell, right now here in Austin the school district is facing having to close at least 15 schools to save money because of the state budget deficit that doesn't technically exist. It's put whole communities around here in an uproar.

How did that happen? The news kept saying Texas doesn't have a major budget problem.

182 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:01:33pm

re: #178 freetoken

Just wait until the actual speech - it ought to be a good one.

The Tea Partying dominionist takeover of the Iowa GOP is pretty much complete and since they took over the Iowa House in the last election they've been trying to out do the Texas legislature. Just the other day they introduced a bill to make an amendment to the Iowa constitution that not only makes gay marriage illegal, but also any sort of civil arrangement for two gay people. And they went one step further - the proposed amendment states that Iowa would not recognize other states' gay marriages.

When Pawlenty gives his speech he'll have to make some sort of mention to this issue, as it is The Family Leader's #1 issue.

Ah, this is 14th amendment issue isn't it?

183 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:02:23pm

re: #177 ggt

You went to Catholic school - in the 20th century.

If you had lived 300 years ago, going to a school run by the Catholic church or any church in the English speaking world, you would have learnt that God created everything that you see, as is.

184 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:02:50pm

re: #182 ggt

Ah, this is 14th amendment issue isn't it?

No problem - we can get rid of that one too!

185 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:03:21pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

How did that happen? The news kept saying Texas doesn't have a major budget problem.

"About those sooty footprints under the Christmas stockings...I did that."

186 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:03:23pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

How did that happen? The news kept saying Texas doesn't have a major budget problem.

Because the idea that we don't have a budget problem is bullshit. We've got a "balanced budget amendment" in place that Perry and the other imbeciles running this state point to as proof that we're okay.

We're not. Perry's facing a $27 billion deficit, which means we're going to make $27 billion in cuts somewhere to "balance things out", since raising taxes and/or fees around here would get the GOP nutbars screaming about socialism and government overreach.

187 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:03:42pm

re: #183 freetoken

You went to Catholic school - in the 20th century.

If you had lived 300 years ago, going to a school run by the Catholic church or any church in the English speaking world, you would have learnt that God created everything that you see, as is.

If you lived anywhere in the Christian world 300 years ago, you would have learned that.

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:03:57pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's in Austin right now playing music somewhere.

He's not home making his father cake? Shame on him.

189 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:04:16pm

I'm suffering from wingnut overload.

190 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:04:58pm

re: #183 freetoken

You went to Catholic school - in the 20th century.

If you had lived 300 years ago, going to a school run by the Catholic church or any church in the English speaking world, you would have learnt that God created everything that you see, as is.

Well, since Darwin had published his tome 300 years ago . . . .

191 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:06:11pm

re: #187 EmmmieG

If you lived anywhere in the Christian world 300 years ago, you would have learned that.

You would also have not known that lightning and electricity are related, that bleeding is a bad idea in the majority of cases, and that doctors should wash their hands between patients.

192 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:07:03pm

State's debt ratings

193 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:08:09pm

re: #191 EmmmieG

You would also have not known that lightning and electricity are related, that bleeding is a bad idea in the majority of cases, and that doctors should wash their hands between patients.

Really! It's not just a Christian thing if you're looking 300 years back. I think the whole world was literally if not figuratively in the dark.

194 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:09:27pm

re: #193 ggt

Really! It's not just a Christian thing if you're looking 300 years back. I think the whole world was literally if not figuratively in the dark.

Well, yeah.

Do you ever think about moonlight and dusk?

We're not nearly so familiar with the changeover from light to dark as our ancestors were.

The sun goes down and we turn on the electric lights. No twilight for us.

195 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:09:31pm

The Arab states are wanting democracy. Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen.

Could George Dubya Bush been right??

(queue eerie organ music)

196 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:10:15pm

re: #194 EmmmieG

Well, yeah.

Do you ever think about moonlight and dusk?

We're not nearly so familiar with the changeover from light to dark as our ancestors were.

The sun goes down and we turn on the electric lights. No twilight for us.

And where the stars are on a given night.

197 Sinistershade  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:10:30pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's in Austin right now playing music somewhere.

In this town that doesn't narrow it down much. To be allowed to move here, you at least have to be able to play guitar.

198 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:10:40pm

re: #196 ggt

And where the stars are on a given night.

My continued survival does not depend on knowing when to plant.

199 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:10:57pm

re: #193 ggt

Hindu mythology has an ancient timeline.

From what I understand of the nominally Buddhist East of that time, Earth origin stories were not that important. In Japanese Shinto the creationism stories have an obvious mythic nature to them, intended to make the emperor look divine.

I don't know enough about American natives myths to know if they had timelines.

200 albusteve  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:11:06pm

tribute to the post header....
monkey music

Youtube Video
201 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:11:42pm

re: #199 freetoken

Hindu mythology has an ancient timeline.

From what I understand of the nominally Buddhist East of that time, Earth origin stories were not that important. In Japanese Shinto the creationism stories have an obvious mythic nature to them, intended to make the emperor look divine.

I don't know enough about American natives myths to know if they had timelines.

Without looking it up, most of them involve a fair amount of shape shifting and practical joking.

202 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:12:30pm

re: #195 marjoriemoon

Ahh..., but the big question is do they really want "democracy", or are they just unhappy about their poverty/situation in life?

203 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:13:05pm

re: #199 freetoken

Hindu mythology has an ancient timeline.

From what I understand of the nominally Buddhist East of that time, Earth origin stories were not that important. In Japanese Shinto the creationism stories have an obvious mythic nature to them, intended to make the emperor look divine.

I don't know enough about American natives myths to know if they had timelines.


As I understand it, Native American thought process doesn't worry so much about time. I don't think it gets more specific than "many moons ago" and " many moons before that". Which, I guess is a timeline in a sense.

204 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:14:00pm

re: #202 freetoken

Ahh..., but the big question is do they really want "democracy", or are they just unhappy about their poverty/situation in life?

How many really understand the different concepts of government? How much education has the general population had?

205 Sinistershade  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:15:03pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

How did that happen? The news kept saying Texas doesn't have a major budget problem.

The Texas Omen

206 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:15:05pm

re: #203 ggt

As I understand it, Native American thought process doesn't worry so much about time. I don't think it gets more specific than "many moons ago" and " many moons before that". Which, I guess is a timeline in a sense.

Too many groups to generalize. Aztecs and Mayans were astronomers, Utes worried more about rabbit reproduction.

208 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:16:37pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Too many groups to generalize. Aztecs and Mayans were astronomers, Utes worried more about rabbit reproduction.

True, Aztecs and Mayans were actually advanced to be specific.

I read a book about native religion a while back. The author said that they didn't place the importance on time that we did. Places were much more important.

I got the idea that spirits were timeless, but not placeless.

209 Sinistershade  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:18:55pm

When reached for comment, a spokesmonkey replied, "We're not willing to claim Rep. Kingston, either."

210 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:19:01pm

re: #194 EmmmieG

Well, yeah.

Do you ever think about moonlight and dusk?

We're not nearly so familiar with the changeover from light to dark as our ancestors were.

The sun goes down and we turn on the electric lights. No twilight for us.

I wish.

/oh, you meant the time of day...

211 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:19:37pm

I have my computer, which means my iTunes back. I have 2 books available on my Audible account.

ooooooh, what should I listen too? Fiction suggestions welcome.

212 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:20:43pm

re: #208 ggt

True, Aztecs and Mayans were actually advanced to be specific.

I read a book about native religion a while back. The author said that they didn't place the importance on time that we did. Places were much more important.

I got the idea that spirits were timeless, but not placeless.

This was the great 60s text for it:

"Man's rise to civilization as shown by the Indians of North America from primeval times to the coming of the industrial state. "

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

213 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:21:34pm

re: #199 freetoken

Hindu mythology has an ancient timeline.

From what I understand of the nominally Buddhist East of that time, Earth origin stories were not that important. In Japanese Shinto the creationism stories have an obvious mythic nature to them, intended to make the emperor look divine.

I don't know enough about American natives myths to know if they had timelines.

I think most Native American stories of creation are symbolic and unique to each tribe. Most N.A. stories are symbolic anyway, ascribing human attributes to animals and nature.

214 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:22:40pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

This was the great 60s text for it:

"Man's rise to civilization as shown by the Indians of North America from primeval times to the coming of the industrial state. "

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Man, that looks like non-fiction.

I'll put it in my wish list, but make no promises.

I have enough real life in my life right now.

:)

215 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:23:55pm

The book I really enjoyed was Vine Deloria's God is Red.

I have no idea if it is still considered a valid work.

216 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:24:10pm

re: #202 freetoken

Ahh..., but the big question is do they really want "democracy", or are they just unhappy about their poverty/situation in life?

I think they want democracy, or what they think they know of it. They don't understand all that stuff about having a republic. Anyone can have an "election" and a "president" who for some reason reigns supreme for 30 odd years. But having the rule "by the people" is probably the key part.

217 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:25:21pm

re: #214 ggt

Man, that looks like non-fiction.

I'll put it in my wish list, but make no promises.

I have enough real life in my life right now.

:)

It's very neat, the author picks one group to demonstrate progressive points on the spectrum of development. Looks like it's only available used and cheap from Amazon.

218 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:25:43pm

son is watching SNL in the other room. "News" segment is on.

"Lady Gaga is developing a new fragrance--called Hotel Mattress."

OK, I thought it was funny.

219 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:26:07pm

Elitists Are Going To Eat Your Children

Youtube Video
220 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:27:11pm

re: #211 ggt

I have my computer, which means my iTunes back. I have 2 books available on my Audible account.

oooh, what should I listen too? Fiction suggestions welcome.

If you like Doctor Who at all, I'd recommend The Last Voyage:

[Link: www.audible.com...]

I liked it, but I'm a fan, so I might be biased.

221 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:27:44pm

Night Lizards.

Been a long day and looking towards an even longer one tomorrow.

Reine. Sent you a E-Mail.

Gawd, I love this place.


Youtube Video

Hey! It just seemed right for some reason.

222 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:28:25pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Image: Miller_etal_2006_Science_Public_Acceptance_Evo.gif

Every time I see that it both depresses me and blows my mind, usually in that order. It's pathetic that we're so far behind in accepting science. WTF?

223 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:31:03pm

re: #222 Lidane

Probably because Americans don't want to let go of their religion in return, as has happened in Europe.

224 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:31:05pm

re: #219 Gus 802

Well there ya go! lol

225 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:31:20pm

re: #222 Lidane

Every time I see that it both depresses me and blows my mind, usually in that order. It's pathetic that we're so far behind in accepting science. WTF?

Hasn't really changed much in the 30 years since I first noticed.

226 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:31:31pm

Sherwin Sleeves

Youtube Video

Namaste, y'all

227 firstinla  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:31:36pm

I saw a video the other day about a gorilla that walks upright so he can carry things in his hands. My nephew (veterinarian) says the odds are that the other apes in his group will start to do the same thing. This also might get interesting, evolution-wise.

228 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:33:00pm

re: #224 marjoriemoon

Well there ya go! lol

I wasn't sure at first so I watched it twice. Just to make sure. Boy oh boy listening to that dip Prince talking about chemtrails. And what was Dick Gregory talking about? Fluoride?

229 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:33:20pm

re: #227 firstinla

I saw a video the other day about a gorilla that walks upright so he can carry things in his hands. My nephew (veterinarian) says the odds are that the other apes in his group will start to do the same thing. This also might get interesting, evolution-wise.

Not if the older, conservative gorillas enforce DWDT (Don't Walk, Don't Talk).

230 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:34:00pm

re: #223 laZardo

Probably because Americans don't want to let go of their religion in return, as has happened in Europe.

I guess it boils down to a lot of televangelists who don't want to lose their source of income.

There is no conflict between faith and evolution outside of their minds.

231 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:34:25pm

re: #223 laZardo

Probably because Americans don't want to let go of their religion in return, as has happened in Europe.

Maybe that's it. I let go of my religion a long time ago. I'm not even sure I ever had it at all, to be honest.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:34:26pm

BDS still exists on MSNBC...

Chris Matthews Blames Egypt Riots on George W. Bush and Iraq War


"Leading off tonight: Unrest in Egypt. Proving the Iraq war wasn't needed, these protests in Egypt, as well as in Yemen and Tunisia, are all aimed at dictators supported by the U.S. The demonstrations have not yet turned anti-American, but they could. These are the events the Bush administration hoped to encourage by lying about weapons of mass destruction and invading Iraq."

Brilliant!
///

233 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:34:43pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Not if the older, conservative gorillas enforce DWDT (Don't Walk, Don't Talk).

You know what happens if you start letting apes walk upright don't you? Don't you?!?!

//

234 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:35:21pm

re: #233 Gus 802

You know what happens if you start letting apes walk upright don't you? Don't you?!?!

//

They get uppity?

235 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:35:28pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

BDS still exists on MSNBC...

Chris Matthews Blames Egypt Riots on George W. Bush and Iraq War

Brilliant!
///

People wanting democracy is the fault of George Bush and the War in Iraq?

Did I miss something?

236 Lidane  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:35:40pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Tweety has his moments, but he's still insufferable most of the time.

237 firstinla  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:35:54pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Not if the older, conservative gorillas enforce DWDT (Don't Walk, Don't Talk).

Maybe they're not so far removed from us as we thought.

238 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:36:13pm

re: #234 EmmmieG

They get uppity?

They'll want to rape your daughter!

239 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:36:34pm

re: #234 EmmmieG

They get uppity?

I was thinking along the lines of self pleasure but felt the need not to bring up the m-word.

240 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:36:40pm

re: #234 EmmmieG

They get uppity?

Then a beige ape is elected chief and half the apes lose their shit completely.

241 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:37:02pm

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242 Sinistershade  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:37:44pm

re: #238 ggt

They get uppity?


They'll want to rape your daughter!


And, before you know it, they'll be taking all our jobs.

243 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:38:29pm

re: #242 Sinistershade


And, before you know it, they'll be taking all our jobs.

Beware the Ape Agenda™.

244 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:39:23pm

re: #243 Gus 802

And, before you know it, they'll be taking all our jobs.

Beware the Ape Agenda™.

I believe it involves bananas, but go ahead, tell me more.

245 Sinistershade  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:39:38pm

re: #243 Gus 802

re: #243 Gus 802

Beware the Ape Agenda™.

"Keep your hands off me, you damn, dirty, Socialist apes!"

246 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:40:10pm

re: #234 EmmmieG

re: #239 Gus 802

re: #238 ggt

Perhaps we've stumbled upon the clarifying metaphor we've been seeking.

247 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:41:36pm

re: #186 Lidane

Because the idea that we don't have a budget problem is bullshit. We've got a "balanced budget amendment" in place that Perry and the other imbeciles running this state point to as proof that we're okay.

We're not. Perry's facing a $27 billion deficit, which means we're going to make $27 billion in cuts somewhere to "balance things out", since raising taxes and/or fees around here would get the GOP nutbars screaming about socialism and government overreach.

I understand. Here in Illinois, the state income tax recent got raised by 75%, up to 5%. I don't support the increase, but I do admit its an honest attempt to close the gap.

248 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:41:37pm

re: #245 Sinistershade

re: #243 Gus 802

"Keep your hands off me, you damn, dirty, Socialist apes!"

They'll try to kill Charlton Heston.

249 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:41:44pm

re: #244 EmmmieG

I believe it involves bananas, but go ahead, tell me more.

Their plan is to infiltrate our schools and expose our children to their ape like ways! This is in complete opposition to what our Founding Fathers intended for its citizenry and our children!

250 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:42:12pm

bbiab

251 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:43:47pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

BDS still exists on MSNBC...

Chris Matthews Blames Egypt Riots on George W. Bush and Iraq War

Brilliant!
///

Because we never propped up Sadaam Hussein.

My husband says about Chris Mattews, he's like a monkey with a gun. Sometimes he hits, and sometimes, well... he doesn't.

252 Gus  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:44:10pm

Bonus "ape" video...

Youtube Video
253 freetoken  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:44:19pm

Back on creationism:

This month the BBC is running a documentary series on science called "Men of Rock", which is a short history of geology.

The first episode focuses on James Hutton and how he overturned the idea of a young Earth; a segment:

Youtube Video

What is so wonderful about these BBC documentaries is that they attempt to actually educate by demonstrating basic ideas in science.

This is in contrast to the the "sciencetainment" that goes on in his country, on the Discovery or History channel.

254 Buck  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:45:33pm

Hey, good news! I just checked the UN Twitter feed and apparently nothing is happening in Egypt.

255 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:47:06pm

re: #254 Buck

Hey, good news! I just checked the UN Twitter feed and apparently nothing is happening in Egypt.

Good, I can catch some sleep. 'Nite, all.

256 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:47:26pm

Oh, so, OT, not that there was a topic,

The funeral today really has me thinking.

This woman's obit wasn't much. Born, married, raised five kids, contracted a couple of diseases, died. In terms of world accomplishments, not much.

The chapel was filled with people who truly loved her. Even in the middle of her suffering she could not complain, and make other people feel better.

Imagine that. Cancer and MS, and you make other people feel better.

A few years ago, I remember a funeral where the deceased had a long obit, and I remember thinking, "Does anyone care? Really?" She had one daughter (the one who paid over a thousand for the obituary) who cared, but nobody else really did. She hadn't actually touched any lives, not really.

It makes one stop and think about what is important.

257 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:47:35pm

re: #252 Gus 802

And there's this:

Youtube Video
258 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:47:38pm

re: #254 Buck

Hey, good news! I just checked the UN Twitter feed and apparently nothing is happening in Egypt.

I heard Neville Chamberlain is running the UN Twitter feed.

259 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:48:46pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

I heard Neville Chamberlain is running the UN Twitter feed.

Wait, wait, now we have zombie Reagan, zombie Sadat, zombie Ramses AND zombie Chamberlain.

(How come nobody ever nominates zombie Lenin? He really is the best candidate for it.)

260 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:50:42pm

re: #256 EmmmieG

Oh, so, OT, not that there was a topic,

The funeral today really has me thinking.

This woman's obit wasn't much. Born, married, raised five kids, contracted a couple of diseases, died. In terms of world accomplishments, not much.

The chapel was filled with people who truly loved her. Even in the middle of her suffering she could not complain, and make other people feel better.

Imagine that. Cancer and MS, and you make other people feel better.

A few years ago, I remember a funeral where the deceased had a long obit, and I remember thinking, "Does anyone care? Really?" She had one daughter (the one who paid over a thousand for the obituary) who cared, but nobody else really did. She hadn't actually touched any lives, not really.

It makes one stop and think about what is important.

I mentioned it here before, but there was a pretty profound statement in the Wizard of Oz that I adore, when the Wizard says to the Tin Man: "A heart isn't judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others."

261 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:51:49pm

The violence in Egypt sadly has hit an unofficial milestone...

Death toll in Egypt’s protests tops 100

Chris Matthews will soon place the guns in GWB's hands.

262 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:52:02pm

re: #260 marjoriemoon

I mentioned it here before, but there was a pretty profound statement in the Wizard of Oz that I adore, when the Wizard says to the Tin Man: "A heart isn't judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others."

**Teenagers are not included in this count.

263 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:53:19pm

re: #259 EmmmieG

Wait, wait, now we have zombie Reagan, zombie Sadat, zombie Ramses AND zombie Chamberlain.

(How come nobody ever nominates zombie Lenin? He really is the best candidate for it.)

I think you need permission from Paul & Ringo to do that.

264 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:53:24pm

re: #233 Gus 802

You know what happens if you start letting apes walk upright don't you? Don't you?!?!

//

Furries. I KNEW IT

265 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:53:40pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

I heard Neville Chamberlain is running the UN Twitter feed.

No, couldn't be. Unlike the UN, Chamberlain knew how to balance the budget.

266 What, me worry?  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:53:52pm

I'm out. Ya'll sleep well.

267 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:02:34pm

STRATFOR is reporting...

The following is a report from a STRATFOR source in Hamas. Hamas, which formed in Gaza as an outgrowth of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB), has an interest in exaggerating its role and coordination with the MB in this crisis. The following information has not been confirmed.

The Egyptian police are no longer patrolling the Rafah border crossing into Gaza. Hamas armed men are entering into Egypt and are closely collaborating with the MB. The MB has fully engaged itself in the demonstrations, and they are unsatisfied with the dismissal of the Cabinet. They are insisting on a new Cabinet that does not include members of the ruling National Democratic Party.

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace. The MB is meanwhile forming people’s committees to protect public property and also to coordinate demonstrators’ activities, including supplying them with food, beverages and first aid.

268 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:08:57pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

STRATFOR is reporting...

If that's true (and STRATFOR is generally reliable (unlike DEBKA)), then we have a serious problem.

269 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:12:35pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

If that's true (and STRATFOR is generally reliable (unlike DEBKA)), then we have a serious problem.

You don't have a serious problem... the citizens of Egypt does. I get tired of this vicarious living though others.

270 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:15:33pm

re: #269 Walter L. Newton

You don't have a serious problem... the citizens of Egypt does. I get tired of this vicarious living though others.

If it make their ability to export terror to the US more effective, than it is our problem.

271 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:15:42pm

re: #270 EmmmieG

...then...

272 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:15:53pm

I could, you know, try proof reading first...

273 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:18:22pm

re: #272 EmmmieG

I could, you know, try proof reading first...

But, it's SO much more exciting, when you don't!
{EmmieG}

274 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:20:39pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

If that's true (and STRATFOR is generally reliable (unlike DEBKA)), then we have a serious problem.

If the Suez Canal is successfully blocked by terrorists with help from MB & Hamas, everyone will suddenly have a serious problem.

275 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:21:03pm

re: #269 Walter L. Newton

You don't have a serious problem... the citizens of Egypt does. I get tired of this vicarious living though others.

I think the issues of today are global Walter...
A tinderfire in a corner of the World can blow up everything.

276 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:23:10pm

re: #270 EmmmieG

If it make their ability to export terror to the US more effective, then it is our problem.

Thanks for fielding that one for me. Add to that Egypt's having US-made weapons (some of whose classified details the MB could sell to Russia or China if they attained power) as well as the fact Egypt holds the Suez Canal and we've got a situation where the movement into Egypt of armed men loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood poses a very serious problem for us indeed.

277 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:23:28pm

am back.

278 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:25:42pm

re: #256 EmmmieG

Oh, so, OT, not that there was a topic,

The funeral today really has me thinking.

This woman's obit wasn't much. Born, married, raised five kids, contracted a couple of diseases, died. In terms of world accomplishments, not much.

The chapel was filled with people who truly loved her. Even in the middle of her suffering she could not complain, and make other people feel better.

Imagine that. Cancer and MS, and you make other people feel better.

A few years ago, I remember a funeral where the deceased had a long obit, and I remember thinking, "Does anyone care? Really?" She had one daughter (the one who paid over a thousand for the obituary) who cared, but nobody else really did. She hadn't actually touched any lives, not really.

It makes one stop and think about what is important.

Obit might not have been much, but it looks as though her life was full and rich!

279 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:26:51pm

re: #278 ggt

Obit might not have been much, but it looks as though her life was full and rich!

She had a very good marriage, and like I said, a lot of friends.

280 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:29:34pm

re: #279 EmmmieG

Sounds like a happy, full life. It's the best we can do!
FULL of Joy!

281 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:31:11pm

Why yes, it is the Zionists' fault.

/

283 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:33:16pm

re: #281 laZardo

Why yes, it is the Zionists' fault.

/

Maybe the Zionists took a holiday and let the Bilderbergers be in charge of something for once?

284 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:33:56pm

re: #281 laZardo

Why yes, it is the Zionists' fault.

/

Juice Power!

285 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:34:40pm

I really don't understand people.

There are those that want this country to be like Uganda.

286 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:35:39pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

Cute dog story, upthread.
*waves*
70 degrees, in winter?

287 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:36:09pm

Good News!

288 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:37:19pm

re: #281 laZardo

Why yes, it is the Zionists' fault.

/

Darwin or no Darwin, some things don't change!

289 laZardo  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:37:37pm

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

Juice Power!

INFIDEL!

/i'm a 2% guy. whole-ists are filthy heretics.

290 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:38:49pm

When exactly did the video for this post become unavailable? It was available at my first post timestamped 8:24pm.

291 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:39:09pm

re: #286 Floral Giraffe

Cute dog story, upthread.
*waves*
70 degrees, in winter?

yup..Ice storm will be here Tuesday..Can you believe it?

292 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:40:32pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

re: #239 Gus 802

re: #238 ggt

Perhaps we've stumbled upon the clarifying metaphor we've been seeking.

My husband thinks the whole creationist thing is a cover for racism. Remembering the term "porch monkey", I can't disagree.

293 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:42:06pm

re: #281 laZardo

Why yes, it is the Zionists' fault.

/

What a loon. BDS is alive and well inside her head.

294 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:46:04pm

I really haven't been paying attention.

Forty-nine ships were hijacked in the area in 2010, and Somali pirates are currently reported to be holding 31 ships, with more than 700 crew on board.

I don't understand how you can hold 700 people hostage and get away with it.

295 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:58:27pm

re: #291 HoosierHoops

What is this "ice" of which you speak?
//
Be safe, and give Winston some extra treats!
Does he like how you use him as bait?
//

296 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 11:00:33pm

re: #294 ggt

No laws, no rulers except guns & money.
En Wikipedia
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"For most of the period since 1991 Somalia has been without a federal government, despite seventeen attempts to establish a new one."

297 Sinistershade  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 11:09:51pm

re: #296 Floral Giraffe

No laws, no rulers except guns & money.
En Wikipedia
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"For most of the period since 1991 Somalia has been without a federal government, despite seventeen attempts to establish a new one."

Rand Paul paradise! (except he'd have to go back to being a fictitiously board-certified physician)

298 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 11:13:06pm

re: #294 ggt

I really haven't been paying attention.

I don't understand how you can hold 700 people hostage and get away with it.

Because they're on ships. It's not like a building, where the rescue teams can get close before making their move. Once they've got a ship secured near a pirate town, the odds are they'd spot any rescue in time to kill the hostages or even simply firing an RPG-7 into the ship's fuel tanks. Either way, the rescuers lose. Moreover, most of those being held hostage aren't westerners. They're people from 3rd-world countries whose suffering simply does not command a forceful response from the Powers-That Be.

299 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 11:21:35pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Because they're on ships. It's not like a building, where the rescue teams can get close before making their move. Once they've got a ship secured near a pirate town, the odds are they'd spot any rescue in time to kill the hostages or even simply firing an RPG-7 into the ship's fuel tanks. Either way, the rescuers lose. Moreover, most of those being held hostage aren't westerners. They're people from 3rd-world countries whose suffering simply does not command a forceful response from the Powers-That Be.

It sucks big donkey balls!

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 3:26:33am

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"I have serious problems with fundamentalist Christians and their creationist theories. Although I believe that scripture is divinely inspired and infallible, I have a hard time going along with the belief that the whole creation process occurred in six twenty-four hour days. My skepticism is due, in part, to the fact that the Bible says that the sun wasn’t created until the fourth day of creation (Genesis 1:16-19). I have a hard time figuring how twenty-four hour days could have been measured before that."
-Tony Campolo

Given that one doesn't need Sun to measure time, Tony's "hard time" is surprising.

301 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 3:31:09am

re: #43 prairiefire

Also Jesus, when asked when he would return, said (paraphrase) "what is a million years to a god?"

It was actually Peter and 1000 years.

302 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 3:34:56am

Kingston is a heretic. The biblically correct version is:

I believe I came from dirt, not from a monkey, so the answer is no.

This can also be enhanced with incest.

303 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 3:44:15am

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

The 'missing link' has become this ridiculous thing that can never be found, because the definition of it is based on a total misunderstanding of the science.

And the media makes it worse, always claiming that scientists have found "the missing link" as if they were searching for one and indicating that the previously reported ML was not such after all.

304 samgak  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 4:38:52am

I ain't no monkey. I can't climb no tree. No brown skin woman gonna make no monkey out of me!

305 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:58:18am

re: #134 ryannon

Not to trivialize, but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. And the Bible never really swung for me - in the sense of those words jumping out in letters of fire or silk or drops of nectar and being a transformative experience.

The book of Job is a bit of a downer, true. But just as literature, is there any better exposition of despair than this?

3:1 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.

3:2 And Job spake, and said, 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was
born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child
conceived.

3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above,
neither let the light shine upon it.

3:5 Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell
upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.

3:6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be
joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of
the months.

3:7 Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.

3:8 Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up
their mourning.

3:9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for
light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day: 3:10
Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow
from mine eyes.

3:11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost
when I came out of the belly? 3:12 Why did the knees prevent me? or
why the breasts that I should suck? 3:13 For now should I have lain
still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,
3:14 With kings and counsellors of the earth, which build desolate
places for themselves; 3:15 Or with princes that had gold, who filled
their houses with silver: 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had
not been; as infants which never saw light.

(I'm guessing that the inspirational "upper" stuff doesn't ring your bell, so I offer this in its stead.)

306 califleftyb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 5:11:07pm

America... turn off your TVs !


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