Whenever you wash dishes, cook, or clean, if you make no sound, this is smartness itself. A person who enters a house and makes a lot of noise is revealing a lack of spirituality; even cats and dogs do not make unnecessary sounds, and man as he naturally is does not make any either.
— Michio Kushi
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Usually refered to as anyways Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:22:56pm |
Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma...
Steve Martin (Ruprecht) Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:27:16pm |
Kushi was a funky guy... definitely out there on the fringe.
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What, me worry? Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:28:05pm |
Very zen, isn't it?
I had a dog that wouldn't stop barking, but then again, he was high strung. Of course, I know a few folks who won't stop barking either...
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What, me worry? Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:28:35pm |
Goodnight my lovely lizards. Sweet dreams.
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SlouchingPoet Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:31:51pm |
I usually dig these quotes, but this one is... wrong. Animals won't shut the hell up and how is talking a sign of non-smartness? No, no, this doesn't add up at all.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:33:56pm |
My favorite koan:
Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.
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elizajane Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:35:30pm |
Small rant of the day:
What is this middle class race to the bottom? Why, when confronted with the benefits enjoyed by at least some government workers, do private sector workers not say, "Hey! My employer, whose stock has doubled in value in the past 2 years, should be giving me those kind of benefits too!" Why do they say instead "Hey, my salary hasn't gone up in five years and I have crappy health insurance and a minimal retirement plan. Everybody else should have it just as bad as I do!"
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince the middle class that they should grab those just above them as they and their mortgages sink under water? That instead of trying to improve their own lot, they should fight to worsen the lots of others?
It really, really bothers me.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:41:56pm |
Well, Kushi was more I-Ching than Zen. He wrote some, shall we say, "creative" books.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:42:23pm |
I keep putting him in the past tense, but I don't think he's dead yet.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:45:04pm |
re: #7 elizajane
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince ...
Because God gave the rich their money and he wants them to have a greater share of the wealth, and anything that disputes that is atheistic socialism.
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beartiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:56:37pm |
re: #1 ozbloke
Omfg, ozbloke, that scene with Ruprecht was the first thing I thought of when I read the quote!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:03:35pm |
Hey all!
Just finished with this day's work on the Temple of Vesta. have the podium, steps and column bases built out of styrofoam and ready to cover with CelluClay tomorrow.
Have to find some thing at HomeDepot that will be cheap and serve as the column supports (thinking PVC pipe), then we get to cover it all tomorrow evening. Sunday we make the roof!
Hoping it will be finished by Tuesday morning.
how has your day been?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:05:41pm |
re: #7 elizajane
Small rant of the day:
What is this middle class race to the bottom? Why, when confronted with the benefits enjoyed by at least some government workers, do private sector workers not say, "Hey! My employer, whose stock has doubled in value in the past 2 years, should be giving me those kind of benefits too!" Why do they say instead "Hey, my salary hasn't gone up in five years and I have crappy health insurance and a minimal retirement plan. Everybody else should have it just as bad as I do!"
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince the middle class that they should grab those just above them as they and their mortgages sink under water? That instead of trying to improve their own lot, they should fight to worsen the lots of others?It really, really bothers me.
Because there is more to the economy that workers and corporations.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:14:38pm |
Ok, I killed the thread.
I didn't mean to :(
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freetoken Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:26:13pm |
re: #13 ggt
Your next assignment will be to build Rome... in a day.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:26:46pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:29:08pm |
I thoroughly enjoy Santana guitar playing.
I don't enjoy having to endure the ad's before the video, but I do like not paying for it.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:29:11pm |
re: #17 ggt
Can't be done.
Proxy model it.
"What is that pizza box?"
"Circus Maximus."
"And the gatorade bottle?"
"Temple of Vesta, and I used my bro's slip and slide for the aqueduct."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:29:58pm |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Proxy model it.
"What is that pizza box?"
"Circus Maximus."
"And the gatorade bottle?"
"Temple of Vesta, and I used my bro's slip and slide for the aqueduct."
Very good! Nothing to dry or paint.
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Dekar Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:31:16pm |
re: #6 000G
My favorite koan:
Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.
I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?
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freetoken Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:32:02pm |
re: #21 Dekar
I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?
It's the sound of no finger pointing...
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:37:15pm |
re: #21 Dekar
I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?
I love dealing with feeble minds... what cha need to know?
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boredtechindenver Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:38:25pm |
re: #21 Dekar
Gutei raised his middle finger, and the boy was a young Rahm Emanuel. ;-) //
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:39:30pm |
temple of vesta
poor romans. the forum was the center of the world, and the temple of vesta was probably the only really beautiful thing there
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Kragar Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:42:27pm |
re: #25 engineer dog
temple of vesta
poor romans. the forum was the center of the world, and the temple of vesta was probably the only really beautiful thing there
What about the Rostra?
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:43:12pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Because God gave the rich their money and he wants them to have a greater share of the wealth, and anything that disputes that is atheistic socialism.
Ah yes, Calvinism: wealth as the outward sign of inner grace. A successful attempt to stuff a camel through the eye of a needle.
We have that shit so ingrained in our culture adn consciousness that cynical bastard politicians can still appeal to it - and it works.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:45:28pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What about the Rostra?
ah - that was probably really interesting, but i think there are no representations of it except a sketchy one found in a wall painting in pompeii
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:46:55pm |
I think there were probably many beautiful buildings, at the time of the Roman Empire. They were painted and adorned in ways we can only speculate about. Not austere buildings if white marble like in Washington DC.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:49:38pm |
It was reallly rather simple, based on the original "huts".
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:52:52pm |
re: #30 ggt
It was reallly rather simple, based on the original "huts".
and so it still can be seen to be today
i was thinking of colleen mccollagh's speculation in First Man In Rome that in republican times the forum was somewhat unimpressive for a world center except that the temple of vesta was already there and very graceful
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Kragar Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:53:51pm |
And here is why you don't pick up hitchhikers...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:55:04pm |
re: #31 engineer dog
and so it still can be seen to be today
i was thinking of colleen mccollagh's speculation in First Man In Rome that in republican times the forum was somewhat unimpressive for a world center except that the temple of vesta was already there and very graceful
It's been opened to the public, this month!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:55:41pm |
re: #31 engineer dog
and so it still can be seen to be today
i was thinking of colleen mccollagh's speculation in First Man In Rome that in republican times the forum was somewhat unimpressive for a world center except that the temple of vesta was already there and very graceful
Yeah, it think it has a presence --calming and eternal.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:56:55pm |
re: #33 ggt
It's been opened to the public, this month!
we were there last september and the forum was open then to
i gots pictures on my iPhone
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:57:58pm |
The Forum was such a hodgepodge. Not a cohesive pre-planned city by any means.
Finding the Temple of Vesta (or any building) is like playing I-Spy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:58:15pm |
re: #35 engineer dog
we were there last september and the forum was open then to
i gots pictures on my iPhone
Very cool!
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:59:41pm |
February 6, 2011. After spending years on making repairs, the Roman Forum has finally opened over 7 acres of land for public use. This land includes the House of the Vestal Virgins and its temple, a group of ruins known in Latin as the 'Atrium Vestae' that includes the Temple of Vesta.
oh cool i guess they've opened up some of the buildings there
the house of the vestal virgins, close to the temple obviously, was gated off when i was there, but you could see the reflecting pool in the middle and even some of the statues of famous vestal virgins around it
palatine hill looms over it
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:01:21am |
re: #16 freetoken
Your next assignment will be to build Rome... in a day.
It's interesting how some cultures are proud of their heritage, their past, and others attempt to cover it up, forget it, or at least minimize it.
A dear to my heart subject is how the French have managed to cover up the Roman's historical background in the formation of the city of Paris. Sure, you can find the info in books, historians know of the Roman influence in the early stages of the city, but if you visit Paris, you will be hard pressed to find vestiges of Rome around the city.
Someone mentioned the forum at Rome above. Did you know that there is a whole Roman forum in Paris? About the size of two football fields. It's on the left back, just south of St. Michael's. Where you may ask... well it's buried, and never excavated.
It now sits below ground, the main occupant is a large underground car park. If you know where to look, on one of the exit stairs of the car park, around the forth landing, is a clear glass panel, with a section of the remains of one of the walls of the forum. That's it.
You can see a whole square block of Roman era ruins, right near Notre Dame, but I defy anyone to find the place. It sits under the large open plaza in front of the cathedral, underground and there is a staircase at the far west end of the plaza that allows access.
Did you know there is a gladiator arena in Paris? It's on the left bank, near the Luxembourg Gardens, situated in a large courtyard between four tall apartment buildings.
I have a friend who works for a committee who attempts to keep the city from building over these Roman ruins. Sometimes they win, sometimes the loose, but it seems, at least in Paris, that the city is not very interested in it's Roman heritage.
Lyon, Arles and many other smaller cities in France celebrate their archeological wonders, the coliseum in Arles is one of the largest in Europe. But in Paris, there is this Gallic pride that seems to want to make it appear that the wonders of Paris all just appear like magic, void of any outside influences.
If you're ever headed to Paris, and want some info on where and what to see in regards to ancient Lutetia, give me a ring.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:03:33am |
re: #38 engineer dog
February 6, 2011. After spending years on making repairs, the Roman Forum has finally opened over 7 acres of land for public use. This land includes the House of the Vestal Virgins and its temple, a group of ruins known in Latin as the 'Atrium Vestae' that includes the Temple of Vesta.
oh cool i guess they've opened up some of the buildings there
the house of the vestal virgins, close to the temple obviously, was gated off when i was there, but you could see the reflecting pool in the middle and even some of the statues of famous vestal virgins around it
palatine hill looms over it
It is so hard, from the internet, to get a feel for the topography of Rome. I've had to print-out so many pictures and maps to be able to visualize it.
It seems that the Temple of Vesta is on the way down the Palatine Hill on the North East part. Can't see the Tiber from that angle. The Home of the Vestals almost overpowers it.
I've tried to imagine if there was any landscaping around the base or was it paved somehow, was there a fence or low wall built to separate it from the street?
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:03:46am |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
fascinating! i had no idea...
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:04:28am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:06:24am |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
It's interesting how some cultures are proud of their heritage, their past, and others attempt to cover it up, forget it, or at least minimize it.
A dear to my heart subject is how the French have managed to cover up the Roman's historical background in the formation of the city of Paris. Sure, you can find the info in books, historians know of the Roman influence in the early stages of the city, but if you visit Paris, you will be hard pressed to find vestiges of Rome around the city.
Someone mentioned the forum at Rome above. Did you know that there is a whole Roman forum in Paris? About the size of two football fields. It's on the left back, just south of St. Michael's. Where you may ask... well it's buried, and never excavated.
It now sits below ground, the main occupant is a large underground car park. If you know where to look, on one of the exit stairs of the car park, around the forth landing, is a clear glass panel, with a section of the remains of one of the walls of the forum. That's it.
You can see a whole square block of Roman era ruins, right near Notre Dame, but I defy anyone to find the place. It sits under the large open plaza in front of the cathedral, underground and there is a staircase at the far west end of the plaza that allows access.
Did you know there is a gladiator arena in Paris? It's on the left bank, near the Luxembourg Gardens, situated in a large courtyard between four tall apartment buildings.
I have a friend who works for a committee who attempts to keep the city from building over these Roman ruins. Sometimes they win, sometimes the loose, but it seems, at least in Paris, that the city is not very interested in it's Roman heritage.
Lyon, Arles and many other smaller cities in France celebrate their archeological wonders, the coliseum in Arles is one of the largest in Europe. But in Paris, there is this Gallic pride that seems to want to make it appear that the wonders of Paris all just appear like magic, void of any outside influences.
If you're ever headed to Paris, and want some info on where and what to see in regards to ancient Lutetia, give me a ring.
There are the hallmarks of Roman Civilization (circus's etc) all over Europe, The Britain, the Middle East, Turkey and Northern Afrika. Very cool really.
I think Cities Underground did a thing on Paris and showed some remnants of aqueducts or something. Another show they were out in the woods somewhere and on the side of a hill behind some overgrowth was the entrance to a Roman structure.
Very cool.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:07:23am |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
It's interesting how some cultures are proud of their heritage, their past, and others attempt to cover it up, forget it, or at least minimize it.
A dear to my heart subject is how the French have managed to cover up the Roman's historical background in the formation of the city of Paris. Sure, you can find the info in books, historians know of the Roman influence in the early stages of the city, but if you visit Paris, you will be hard pressed to find vestiges of Rome around the city.
Someone mentioned the forum at Rome above. Did you know that there is a whole Roman forum in Paris? About the size of two football fields. It's on the left back, just south of St. Michael's. Where you may ask... well it's buried, and never excavated.
It now sits below ground, the main occupant is a large underground car park. If you know where to look, on one of the exit stairs of the car park, around the forth landing, is a clear glass panel, with a section of the remains of one of the walls of the forum. That's it.
You can see a whole square block of Roman era ruins, right near Notre Dame, but I defy anyone to find the place. It sits under the large open plaza in front of the cathedral, underground and there is a staircase at the far west end of the plaza that allows access.
Did you know there is a gladiator arena in Paris? It's on the left bank, near the Luxembourg Gardens, situated in a large courtyard between four tall apartment buildings.
I have a friend who works for a committee who attempts to keep the city from building over these Roman ruins. Sometimes they win, sometimes the loose, but it seems, at least in Paris, that the city is not very interested in it's Roman heritage.
Lyon, Arles and many other smaller cities in France celebrate their archeological wonders, the coliseum in Arles is one of the largest in Europe. But in Paris, there is this Gallic pride that seems to want to make it appear that the wonders of Paris all just appear like magic, void of any outside influences.
If you're ever headed to Paris, and want some info on where and what to see in regards to ancient Lutetia, give me a ring.
It's kinda like the remnants of slavery in the US. Every once in a while, you can see stone fences and such built by slaves along the road in Kentucky and other parts.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:07am |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
Heh, the Japanese refuse to excavate (in detail, in public) their oldest keyhole Kofuns. Frankly I think it is simply down to their fear that they really are displaced Koreans after all:
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:07am |
Sorry for hitting "quote" and not "reply" making the posts soo long.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:25am |
re: #43 ggt
Peoople building in the German city of Trier no longer bother to excavate cellars under their houses: they know that they are certain to stumble on some Roman ruins, which would require suspending construction until the archaeological authorities can come examine them...
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Kragar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:45am |
The one reason why I would actually like to visit Jordan some day.
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:09:41am |
re: #40 ggt
It is so hard, from the internet, to get a feel for the topography of Rome. I've had to print-out so many pictures and maps to be able to visualize it.
It seems that the Temple of Vesta is on the way down the Palatine Hill on the North East part. Can't see the Tiber from that angle. The Home of the Vestals almost overpowers it.
I've tried to imagine if there was any landscaping around the base or was it paved somehow, was there a fence or low wall built to separate it from the street?
the forum itself is in a bit of a valley, lower than three of the sides around it. it seems that its origin may have been as a common ground for the little hamlets on the adjacent hills in early times. it seems clear that it was a swampy area that was filled in to become useful
the palatine can be accessed directly off the forum on one side - you climb up some steep stairs to a wonderful park on the flat topped palatine hill. there are plenty of ruined buildings from the roman period, but almost nothing seems to have been built there since then, when you get to the opposite side from the forum, a bit of a walk, you end up in the ruins of augustus' place
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:09:59am |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The one reason why I would actually like to visit Jordan some day.
A friend went there last year. I don't think I could handle the "bathroom" facilities while doing toursit stuff. AND the heat.
I don't travel well.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:10:01am |
re: #45 freetoken
Government and religion in Japan are closely intertwined at the level of the First Emperors, they are not about to excavate anything that would tarnish the great myths.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:11:13am |
re: #49 engineer dog
the forum itself is in a bit of a valley, lower than three of the sides around it. it seems that its origin may have been as a common ground for the little hamlets on the adjacent hills in early times. it seems clear that it was a swampy area that was filled in to become useful
the palatine can be accessed directly off the forum on one side - you climb up some steep stairs to a wonderful park on the flat topped palatine hill. there are plenty of ruined buildings from the roman period, but almost nothing seems to have been built there since then, when you get to the opposite side from the forum, a bit of a walk, you end up in the ruins of augustus' place
Makes sense!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:12:17am |
re: #47 ralphieboy
Peoople building in the German city of Trier no longer bother to excavate cellars under their houses: they know that they are certain to stumble on some Roman ruins, which would require suspending construction until the archaeological authorities can come examine them...
I saw one show a long time ago about a home in Israel? They began digging underneath and found another home 4000 years old!
Here in America, we are more likely to find gold.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:13:18am |
Did some work. Intertoobs down for almost 5 hours. Went to sleep. Almost 50. Still living in an apartment. Life sucks. Pour whisky.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:13:44am |
re: #45 freetoken
Heh, the Japanese refuse to excavate (in detail, in public) their oldest keyhole Kofuns. Frankly I think it is simply down to their fear that they really are displaced Koreans after all:
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]
How pathetic.
they might find a humanoid skeleton that proves they aren't the god's chosen?
Kinda like the old cover-up of the neanderthal skeleton found in Europe.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:14:39am |
re: #54 Gus 802
Did some work. Intertoobs down for almost 5 hours. Went to sleep. Almost 50. Still living in an apartment. Life sucks. Pour whisky.
No it doesn't suck. Houses are WORK.
We've chosen a condo/townhome and can't wait to get rid of it when the kid is emancipated.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:15:07am |
re: #53 ggt
I saw one show a long time ago about a home in Israel? They began digging underneath and found another home 4000 years old!
Here in America, we are more likely to find gold.
My grandparents house was built on the old town dump from the late 1880's till just past the turn of the century. We used to go out back and dig up old bottles, tins and a ton of other old stuff.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:15:41am |
re: #55 ggt
Archaeological denial in order to preserve one's religious myths is rather harmless when compared to what we have here in America: Climate Change denial or denial of Evolution...
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:52am |
re: #56 ggt
No it doesn't suck. Houses are WORK.
We've chosen a condo/townhome and can't wait to get rid of it when the kid is emancipated.
Groovy. And they're way more expensive. Anyway, just thinking. Apartment living has its own annoyances which come for free.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:54am |
re: #58 ralphieboy
Archaeological denial in order to preserve one's religious myths is rather harmless when compared to what we have here in America: Climate Change denial or denial of Evolution...
Denial of empirical science is horrible in all it's forms.
Especially when it doesn't always disprove myths.
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:54am |
re: #55 ggt
How pathetic.
they might find a humanoid skeleton that proves they aren't the god's chosen?
Kinda like the old cover-up of the neanderthal skeleton found in Europe.
that reminds me - there's a science fiction story somebody told me about once that i've been trying to track down for a while and haven't located yet...
seems that the neanderthals survive into modern france, except that they keep it a secret and keep to themselves in certain towns. the young neanderthals are warned not to marry outside the group
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:59am |
re: #56 ggt
If you enjoy the work and the gardening and stuff, then it is fine. But as an investment, well, we have seen that they are far from the best.
Buy gold and stock up on ammo!!!
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:18:13am |
re: #61 engineer dog
that reminds me - there's a science fiction story somebody told me about once that i've been trying to track down for a while and haven't located yet...
seems that the neanderthals survive into modern france, except that they keep it a secret and keep to themselves in certain towns. the young neanderthals are warned not to marry outside the group
Oh wow, I listened to a short story like that. Either thru Escape Pod or Star Ship Sofa. Podcasts with their own websites, fan base etc. You could probably post a question on either and get an answer.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:18:22am |
re: #45 freetoken
Heh, the Japanese refuse to excavate (in detail, in public) their oldest keyhole Kofuns. Frankly I think it is simply down to their fear that they really are displaced Koreans after all:
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]
Well my friend who works at preservation of Paris' ancient pass, he is an expat who has lived in Paris for over 30 years, used to work for UNESCO, children's education division, says it is a pride and cultural thing. The French, he says, are not that interested in giving credit to any other cultural influences in their past history. As Arthur says, try to find a painting in the Louvre or Versailles that is about a French defeat in battle.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:19:05am |
Seems like only yesterday I was 30. In a blink of an eye! Boom! 50. One more blink until 70.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:19:37am |
re: #62 ralphieboy
If you enjoy the work and the gardening and stuff, then it is fine. But as an investment, well, we have seen that they are far from the best.
Buy gold and stock up on ammo!!!
/
Nah, I think I am going to invest in water.
Homes work if you have a need. Kids, dogs, hobbies.
The only reason we have discussed buying a home is to have a fenced-in back yard for the dogs. No more taking them on the leash everytime they have to go out. But, it hasn't motived us enought to actually move.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:08am |
I probably just need one of them there female companion units who would be telling me right now, "come to bed Gus and stop worrying."
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:44am |
re: #55 ggt
they might find a humanoid skeleton that proves they aren't the god's chosen?
The Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are very sensitive about their past relations, and especially claims over cultural innovations.
re: #64 Walter L. Newton
Cultural pride seems to be a common denominator in many of these situations.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:46am |
re: #67 Gus 802
I probably just need one of them there female companion units who would be telling me right now, "come to bed Gus and stop worrying."
Then she'd be kicking you and telling you to stop snoring!
:)
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:46am |
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:19am |
re: #65 Gus 802
Let's hope you'll keep blinking at least till 90.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:46am |
re: #65 Gus 802
Seems like only yesterday I was 30. In a blink of an eye! Boom! 50. One more blink until 70.
It's better than the alternative.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:46am |
re: #68 freetoken
The Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are very sensitive about their past relations, and especially claims over cultural innovations.
re: #64 Walter L. Newton
Cultural pride seems to be a common denominator in many of these situations.
In American, we really don't have such an emotional vested interest, as long as we can find a way to make money on it, credit is secondary. (well, patents, copyright etc --all related to making a living)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:51am |
Watching an odd Israeli comedy about young hipsters in Tel Aviv. One of them has hooked up with a Palestinian guy who's hiding out in Israel because he's gay, and is telling his sister he's in Jerusalem, shacked up with a divorced Christian girl.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:22:57am |
re: #71 freetoken
Let's hope you'll keep blinking at least till 90.
Yeah. I doubt I'll get that far. Even if I did if I feel the way I do now when I'm 90 I probably won't be able to bend my neck or spine. Can't wait.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:23:53am |
re: #73 ggt
In American, we really don't have such an emotional vested interest, as long as we can find a way to make money on it, credit is secondary. (well, patents, copyright etc --all related to making a living)
Our cultural Denial is based on a fundamentalist, literalist inteprpretation of the Bible, which automatically rejects Evolution, and a fundamendalist approach to Free Market economics, which rejects climate change.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:24:02am |
re: #73 ggt
In American, we really don't have such an emotional vested interest, as long as we can find a way to make money on it, credit is secondary. (well, patents, copyright etc --all related to making a living)
No kidding... if we can put a fence around it and charge admission, then we'll preserve it... maybe that's not too bad a thing?
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:24:37am |
re: #72 Walter L. Newton
It's better than the alternative.
Like if you're 30 and suddenly in a blink of an eye one is 10 years old?
//
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:25:13am |
re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist
Watching an odd Israeli comedy about young hipsters in Tel Aviv. One of them has hooked up with a Palestinian guy who's hiding out in Israel because he's gay, and is telling his sister he's in Jerusalem, shacked up with a divorced Christian girl.
See any snow in your parts yet?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:25:23am |
re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist
Watching an odd Israeli comedy about young hipsters in Tel Aviv. One of them has hooked up with a Palestinian guy who's hiding out in Israel because he's gay, and is telling his sister he's in Jerusalem, shacked up with a divorced Christian girl.
It sounds like that one scene from Crash with Don Cheadle and Jennifer Esposito in bed. His mom called and he said he was having sex with a Mexican Girl. She got pissed and got out of bed and explained that neither of her parents were from Mexico. He replied, "well I thought it would piss-off is mom more."
or something to that effect.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:25:47am |
re: #78 Gus 802
Like if you're 30 and suddenly in a blink of an eye one is 10 years old?
//
No... like you blink and then you're dead.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:26:18am |
re: #79 Gus 802
See any snow in your parts yet?
No. It feels cold enough outside, but nothing coming down.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:27:15am |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
No... like you blink and then you're dead.
Thanks. I'm aware of the full range of alternatives. :)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:29:04am |
re: #83 Gus 802
Thanks. I'm aware of the full range of alternatives. :)
I was just trying to be helpful, make sure we were covering all the bases.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:29:51am |
re: #77 Walter L. Newton
No kidding... if we can put a fence around it and charge admission, then we'll preserve it... maybe that's not too bad a thing?
While in Toronto, the family tried to find the remains of Fort York. They had it preserved and rebuilt sort of.
First of all, even tho it was listed as a tourist attraction it was hard as hell to find, under an overpass . . . .. Landfill etc.
Compared to what we are used to with our National Parks and Historical Preservation Societies, it was really lame. No national pride showed in the Fort or it's presentation or real interest scientifically, or historically.
It is where the Canadians fought the American's and maintained their independence, big battle, big deal! Something like that, we would celebrate.
We found it kinda sad.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:30:10am |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
I was just trying to be helpful, make sure we were covering all the bases.
Roger. Copy. 10-4.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:31:10am |
re: #80 ggt
It sounds like that one scene from Crash with Don Cheadle and Jennifer Esposito in bed. His mom called and he said he was having sex with a Mexican Girl. She got pissed and got out of bed and explained that neither of her parents were from Mexico. He replied, "well I thought it would piss-off is mom more."
or something to that effect.
It's all very complicated. Ashraf (the cute Palestinian) has a sister who's in college in Jordan, and is coming home to marry Ashraf's friend Jihad. Meanwhile, Ashraf is supposed to be getting engaged to Jihad's cousin, but she, alas, is a girl. So he is hiding out in Tel Aviv, and Noam has offered to let him stay in the apartment, which Yali and Lulu, the roomates, have agreed to, because they don't want to be responsible for the death of the Israeli left, and they feel guilty for not going to Checkpoint Watch with Lulu's mother, so they are relieving their liberal guilt by letting Ashraf hang out in the apartment.
Lulu is involved with some guy named Sharon (the only straight man in Tel Aviv it seems), and Yali is hooking up with some guy named Golan who's trying to get a waitering job at the restaurant Yali runs.
Also, although I have only caught a glimpse of it, and am not sure, the three roommates seem to have a poster of Ronald Reagan in the kitchen.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:32:15am |
re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
It's all very complicated. Ashraf (the cute Palestinian) has a sister who's in college in Jordan, and is coming home to marry Ashraf's friend Jihad. Meanwhile, Ashraf is supposed to be getting engaged to Jihad's cousin, but she, alas, is a girl. So he is hiding out in Tel Aviv, and Noam has offered to let him stay in the apartment, which Yali and Lulu, the roomates, have agreed to, because they don't want to be responsible for the death of the Israeli left, and they feel guilty for not going to Checkpoint Watch with Lulu's mother, so they are relieving their liberal guilt by letting Ashraf hang out in the apartment.
Lulu is involved with some guy named Sharon (the only straight man in Tel Aviv it seems), and Yali is hooking up with some guy named Golan who's trying to get a waitering job at the restaurant Yali runs.
Also, although I have only caught a glimpse of it, and am not sure, the three roommates seem to have a poster of Ronald Reagan in the kitchen.
OMG!
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:33:50am |
re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist
No. It feels cold enough outside, but nothing coming down.
I was just out on the deck. It's 21 now with 93 percent humidity and it feels cold! Pretty high humidity for Denver. I saw flurries in SF once. Wasn't really your typical flurries and looked more like crystals.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:33:55am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:35:22am |
re: #77 Walter L. Newton
No kidding... if we can put a fence around it and charge admission, then we'll preserve it... maybe that's not too bad a thing?
Take donations, have silent auctions, build amusement parks and hotel resorts around it.
I'm thinking of Williamsburg, which is full of teachers, historians, actors, archaelogists, historical costume Phd's, blacksmiths and just about every other form of creative people you can find. They'd never get to learn, and preserve the arts and history of the era without the profit factor.
iirc, they've been learning a lot about planting and animal husbandry that could be relevant. Can't remember where I read that . . .
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:35:54am |
re: #90 Walter L. Newton
Did you find your vodka in a box?
Just a picture. I've actually tried vodka for a while there since it's so much cheaper but it hurts my teeth with the concoctions I mix up. I'm sticking with the cheapo whisky. Used to drink wine but got tired of that. And I was Mr. Box Wine for a while there. Lunacy.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:37:56am |
Oh well... to bed... got three overnight shifts coming up...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:38:52am |
yeah me too,
Have to have the little grey cells ready to work on the Temple tomorrow--well supervise my kid working on the Temple of Vesta which takes soooo much more patience than doing it myself.
Have a great morning all!
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:41:28am |
OK, this is weird. They have this "article" linking to this site.
What's the connection between air headed bar flies and gold diggers and the Global Young Leaders Conference?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:04:04am |
re: #21 Dekar
I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?
Koans are not intended to be explained to the mind, they are supposed to blow it.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:54:22am |
I love the Scandinavian composers of the late 19th and early 20th century for their rich orchestration of melodic tunes, and none were better at it than Jean Sibelius:
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:56:54am |
I knew these guys had an agenda, trust The Onion to get to the bottom of it:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:02:11am |
Well, I was watching a movie here. Some new neighbors were supposed to move and they started today. So, as usual I'm not very optimistic given the track record of today's humans. Right on schedule they're sill up (it's 3:04 AM) and one of the idiots was playing with a soccer ball and I think it hit my wall a few times and was about ready to go there already to knock it off. Then about 5 minutes later, the idiot breaks a window with the soccer ball.
And it's only been less than 24 hours.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:08:32am |
re: #101 Gus 802
Sounds typical. I feel for you. Few things are worse than bad neighbors.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:09:22am |
Another one by Sibelius, "The Swan of Tuonela":
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:10:54am |
re: #102 freetoken
Sounds typical. I feel for you. Few things are worse than bad neighbors.
Thanks. I already called the weekend manager. Tomorrow I'm going to tell the regular manager. I won't put up with idiots.
Hard to believe that people can be this stupid. They move in and already they're doing this. I'm pretty sure the stereo hasn't arrived yet. That will be another chapter.
So, instead of putting some temporary cardboard on the now completely broken window (full pane of glass) they new idiot just shut the blinds. I've been watching discretely from my deck.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:36:22am |
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sagehen Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:42:53am |
re: #104 Gus 802
Hard to believe that people can be this stupid.
Never forget --- half of everyone is below average intelligence.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:43:35am |
re: #105 freetoken
I can believe it.
In the meantime, imagine yourself far, far away, in a land of exotic smells, sounds, and rhythms...
[Video]
I believe it so much that I've never really gotten used to it. The last kids never did anything like this. I had them trained with the music but they never broke a window. Especially on the first day. Like they say, "that's not a good sign." Hey, maybe he learned his lesson and won't do anything dumb like this again. I also have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
This is the fourth tenant in this unit. Quietest has been these Goths that lived there. Never had anything really drastic happen and most people will turn down their music if you ask them. It's still annoying because as a rule I think I really shouldn't have to ask. The rule is be quiet all the time except when you're having a party. If you have a party inform your neighbors first and then invite them. At the same time try not to party more than once a month.
That's rough though because the average squid thinks you're supposed to party every day. I lived in San Francisco and it was like that too. Far too many drunkards in this country.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:45:22am |
re: #106 sagehen
Never forget --- half of everyone is below average intelligence.
Maybe that's what they should require before they let you rent an apartment: an IQ test. Instead it's typically a background check and a credit check. In my experience both of those don't really tell the complete story. You can pass a background check and still be a hoodlum. You can also pass a credit check and still be a loser.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:39:18am |
re: #108 Gus 802
hey gus-- sorry to hear about your neighbour woes.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:42:19am |
re: #109 iceweasel
hey gus-- sorry to hear about your neighbour woes.
Hi Ice! Story of my life. It's quiet as a mouse now. On a side note I'm actually working on a project now. 3D stuff. I enjoy it. Was just making a fence. Think that's done.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:44:34am |
re: #110 Gus 802
Hi Ice! Story of my life. It's quiet as a mouse now. On a side note I'm actually working on a project now. 3D stuff. I enjoy it. Was just making a fence. Think that's done.
Oh fantastic! Glad to hear it and good to see you.
Worst neighbours i ever had weren't even the real owners of the place-- their 'friends'broke in over their vacation and trashed it.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:44:46am |
I'm still wondering who raises these kids. It's just pretty weird that there's so many of them.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:47:33am |
re: #111 iceweasel
Oh fantastic! Glad to hear it and good to see you.
Worst neighbours i ever had weren't even the real owners of the place-- their 'friends'broke in over their vacation and trashed it.
Really? Some guy at the store I go was telling me about some neighbors he had. You know, "The Louds". His landlord was friends with those folks and he wouldn't do anything about it. So, long story short. Someone "walked in" to his apartment and stole a big jar of dollar bills he had worth about 600 bucks. I figure it was an "inside job" and possibly his weirdo neighbors. I didn't say anything. He was in the process of moving.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:50:49am |
"The Louds" is a name I got after house sitting in Alamo Square in San Francisco. It was me ex-gf's friend's apartment. So you figure a nice place like that would be nice and tranquil? Nope. The Louds were listening to "Love 'n Rockets" at 11 and fighting and having sex at the same time. You could hear them from 100 yards. Clearly. Weirdos! Damn heterosexuals.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:54:29am |
So I add some crazy iron details to this building. Then I figure it will cost about 1000 bucks each. I have 20 of them. That's 20,000 bucks for some design element. Hmmm. That probably won't fly but it looks cool.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:56:57am |
Sandmonkey finally put his face up!
I like the guy. Apparently the Egyptian police are back to business as usual.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:09:14am |
re: #118 iceweasel
Doing laundry here. ugh. back later--
Laundry?
I always imagined you as a nudist!
/
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:17:38am |
James Connolly (Irish: Séamas Ó Conghaile,[1] 5 June 1868 – 12 May 1916) was an Irish socialist leader. He was born in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh, Scotland, to Irish immigrant parents. He left school for working life at the age of 11, but became one of the leading Marxist theorists of his day. Though proud of his Irish background, he also took a role in Scottish and American politics. He was executed by a British firing squad because of his leadership role in the Easter Rising of 1916.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:21:47am |
I finally caved.
I just posted my first cat story.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:22:24am |
re: #122 Gus 802
James Connolly (Irish: Séamas Ó Conghaile,[1] 5 June 1868 – 12 May 1916) was an Irish socialist leader. He was born in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh, Scotland, to Irish immigrant parents. He left school for working life at the age of 11, but became one of the leading Marxist theorists of his day. Though proud of his Irish background, he also took a role in Scottish and American politics. He was executed by a British firing squad because of his leadership role in the Easter Rising of 1916.
Relative of yours?
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:22:35am |
Morning.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:23:30am |
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:24:25am |
re: #130 Gus 802
Nope. But he sounds like a brave man.
Yeah, there were some pretty incredible Irish political figures.
Most of which have been lost to history.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:26:58am |
re: #132 researchok
Yeah, there were some pretty incredible Irish political figures.
Most of which have been lost to history.
Most of history has been lost to stupidity. There's rarely and inkling of interest.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:30:32am |
re: #121 Gus 802
The Wolfe Tones - James Connolly
[Video]
Good video.
A lot more political innocence back then.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:32:08am |
re: #133 Gus 802
Most of history has been lost to stupidity. There's rarely and inkling of interest.
No truer words.
Even being civil is today a political statement of weakness.
That is what bothers me most.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:32:56am |
re: #137 researchok
No truer words.
Even being civil is today a political statement of weakness.
That is what bothers me most.
True. But I'm really tempted not to be civil on frequent occasion.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:36:42am |
re: #138 Gus 802
True. But I'm really tempted not to be civil on frequent occasion.
Not hard to understand. The environment is toxic.
That said, it depends on who is talking to who.
You and I probably disagree on plenty, but I don't think we've shared a cross wored.
Same with ice, jimmah, and others etc.
Simply disagreeing does not mean the person with whom you disagree has no value or merit.
I submit your worth as a human being is not measured by your politiocs or what you post on LGF.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:36:44am |
re: #138 Gus 802
True. But I'm really tempted not to be civil on frequent occasion.
I'm tired of all these motherfucking uncivil people on this motherfucking planet!
///
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:37:33am |
re: #140 Varek Raith
I'm tired of all these motherfucking uncivil people on this motherfucking planet!
///
Frikken Nazi!
//
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:39:20am |
re: #138 Gus 802
By the way, you can have your tshirt back.
//
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:39:20am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:41:45am |
Ok, this is just cute.
And funny.
Image: HOLY-SHIT-IM-ON-A-BRANCH.jpg
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:44:18am |
re: #145 Gus 802
Slim Whitman " Indian Love Call "
[Video]
I'd like to see a Bollywood version of when Mars Attacks.
With some weed.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:44:47am |
re: #147 researchok
I'd like to see a Bollywood version of when Mars Attacks.
With some weed.
Hashish.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:45:24am |
re: #146 Varek Raith
Ok, this is just cute.
And funny.
Image: HOLY-SHIT-IM-ON-A-BRANCH.jpg
I'm beginning to wonder what's in your basement.
//
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:45:58am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:46:57am |
re: #149 researchok
I'm beginning to wonder what's in your basement.
//
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simoom Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:47:27am |
There's a really odd Speaker Boehner ad underneath the open thread for me. Here, take a look at this screenshot:
Image: ECjF8.jpg
Either his makeup artist, for some reason, stopped halfway up his forehead or, more likely, whoever produced the ad attempted to lighten his skin digitally and is really terrible with Photoshop :P.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:49:10am |
re: #151 Gus 802
[Video]I'm still a hayseed at heart.
OK, here's the real deal. I really love this. Still.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:49:41am |
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:53:06am |
re: #154 Gus 802
AMERICAN MASTERS | John Muir in the New World - Trailer | PBS
[Video]
OK, I have to see that program.
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simoom Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:56:54am |
re: #154 Gus 802
AMERICAN MASTERS | John Muir in the New World - Trailer | PBS
[Video]
Sam and Max Hit The Road - Who's John Muir?
There once was a man named John Muir,
a naturalist noble and pure;
his love for all beasties,
the most and the leasties,
has never been equaled for sure!
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:03:14am |
re: #158 simoom
I love Sam and Max. Was so much fun reading them as a kid. So subversive.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:13:46am |
Mike Huckabee on Muammar Qaddafi:
The clothes of Lady Gaga and the mind of Charlie Sheen
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:21:24am |
re: #162 simoom
The background art was always so rich, too. Not something you get in many comics.
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simoom Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:28:26am |
re: #164 Obdicut
Yeah, I had a compilation book as a kid and it was great looking at all the unrelated things going on in the backgrounds. Some of the larger panels would have so much going on that you wouldn't catch on your first read through.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:48:34am |
A good article on the bad reporting about the debacle in Wisconsin:
[Link: www.tax.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:48:55am |
re: #161 researchok
That's freakin' hysterical! And accurate.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:23:38am |
Striker, listen, and you listen close: flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane!
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Meitantei Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:24:49am |
re: #161 researchok
Huckabee may follow some real crazy ideas, but he is a witty and charming person, from my perspective.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:37:48am |
re: #169 Meitantei
Huckabee may follow some real crazy ideas, but he is a witty and charming person, from my perspective.
Sort of like me
Except for the witty and charming part!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:50:57am |
re: #170 sattv4u2
Sort of like me
Except for the witty and charming part!
Hey, Satt!
How's it going?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:59:15am |
re: #172 reine.de.tout
Hey, Satt!
How's it going?
Not bad.
Getting ready for the long quiet drive home
And you?
(got your e-mail last night , btw ,, responded and haven't looked at your response yet)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:15:15am |
I think I need to go for a month without drinking.
But, then I'd just go drink to celebrate it.
Just a smidge hung-over this morning.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:31:22am |
Damn, it's 17 degrees here this morning. Brrrrr!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:33:09am |
re: #161 researchok
Mike Huckabee on Muammar Qaddafi:
Huck can sometimes really come up with a great line. This is one of those times, since it was LOL funny.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:33:46am |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
Damn, it's 17 degrees here this morning. Brrr!
Seriously?
Wow.
We're going to get up to 80 (or higher today). Was 83 yesterday. Humid. Yucky.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:34:17am |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
That is cold. It makes 35 degrees sound and feel downright balmy.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:35:06am |
re: #177 reine.de.tout
Gee you are in a tropical climate.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:36:49am |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
In Norman, it looks like we have turned into the Pacific Northwest with all the fog.
I found something out about the the impact of the Christchurch Earthquake on New Zealand. Apparently, JPMorgan estimates that damage from it may cost insurers $12 billion. The total GDP of New Zealand is about $115.4 billion. The earthquakes damage could worth as much as 10.4% of New Zealands GDP. That would be the equivalent of a disaster in the US causing $1.48 Trillion in damage
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:37:38am |
re: #179 PhillyPretzel
Gee you are in a tropical climate.
It's still February.
I want a bit of cooler weather just a little longer.
Our seasons are: Miserably Hot, with a sprinkling of cool in Dec/Jan/Feb.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:38:41am |
re: #177 reine.de.tout
Seriously?
Wow.
We're going to get up to 80 (or higher today). Was 83 yesterday. Humid. Yucky.
Here in Chicago it's snowing lightly, and I can honestly say I'd rather walk in that than 83 and humid.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:38:58am |
re: #181 reine.de.tout
It sounds like the summers here in Philly. The 3 H's. Hazy, hot, and humid.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:47:04am |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
Here in Chicago it's snowing lightly, and I can honestly say I'd rather walk in that than 83 and humid.
QFT.
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Firstinla Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:49:38am |
Good morning, lizards. In my part of CA it is still snowing. Three or four inches overnight. We expect snow all day. Fireplace roaring and the smell of sizzling bacon in the air. Sometimes life seems perfect.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:51:18am |
re: #185 Firstinla
Good morning, lizards. In my part of CA it is still snowing. Three or four inches overnight. We expect snow all day. Fireplace roaring and the smell of sizzling bacon in the air. Sometimes life seems perfect.
Bacon!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:52:03am |
MSNBC has new details on how the Benghazi freed itself from Gaddafi:
Battle of Benghazi: How protesters seized town
By PAUL SCHEMM
BENGHAZI, Libya — The young men of Benghazi pounded the dreaded military barracks in the city center with everything they could find. They threw stones and crude bombs made of tin cans stuffed with gunpowder. They drove bulldozers into its walls. All under a blaze of gunfire from troops inside that literally tore people in half.
More than 100 were killed in three days of fighting. But in the end, the base fell and Moammar Gadhafi's forces fled, executing comrades who refused to shoot.
The assault on the base known as the "Katiba" was the defining battle in the fall of Libya's second largest city to the opposition uprising that has swept away Gadhafi's rule in the eastern half of the country.
Now children clamber over the abandoned tanks inside the base and families drive around inside the sprawling compound, gawking at what for years had been a sort of feared Bastille, where detainees disappeared and where Gadhafi stayed when he was in town.
Unless you are squeamish, read it. It does have a graphic description of what a hit from an RPG-7 round does to a body, so be warned.
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Firstinla Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:58:56am |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Makes me ever more grateful for the freedom we have in the US. I would think that after looking at all the crap that has been occuring in the Arab world the last few weeks that our own government might be inspired to get their shit together and sit down and work out the problems. Probably that is not going to happen.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:03:03am |
weGrow, 'Wal-Mart Of Weed,' Set To Open In Sacramento
The 10,000-square-foot weGrow outlet, advertised as a one-stop shop for legal growers seeking supplies and training, claims the honor of being the industry's first-ever national franchise. Look for outposts of the self-proclaimed "first honest hydro store," which started as a solo warehouse operation in Oakland last year, to sprout up in Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, and even New Jersey in the coming months.
The Ganja Galleria doesn't sell any actual pot--it just sells supplies, provides classes, and offers an on-site doctor to help customers choose their favorite strain.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:12:00am |
re: #188 Firstinla
Makes me ever more grateful for the freedom we have in the US. I would think that after looking at all the crap that has been occuring in the Arab world the last few weeks that our own government might be inspired to get their shit together and sit down and work out the problems. Probably that is not going to happen.
They are working, but the protests in the Arab world really aren't on point here in the US. For all the screaming, Congress is still functional and is working to avoid a shutdown, and any protests, while heated, are non-violent.
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researchok Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:23:35am |
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Semper Fi Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:25:13am |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think I need to go for a month without drinking.
But, then I'd just go drink to celebrate it.
Just a smidge hung-over this morning.
Good morning all.
I feel for ya FBV. I don't drink much except a little wine and beer. I learned a long time ago I have a very low alcohol tolerance causing me to be very ill for about 3 days whenever I drank too much. Experienced your hung-over feeling many times and it's no fun. Doc's finally informed my of the low tolerance issue. Looking back I suppose my problem is good as I love bourbon way too much. May I suggest drinking lots of water today as I think alcohol dehydrates.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:26:05am |
re: #193 Semper Fi
Good morning all.
I feel for ya FBV. I don't drink much except a little wine and beer. I learned a long time ago I have a very low alcohol tolerance causing me to be very ill for about 3 days whenever I drank too much. Experienced your hung-over feeling many times and it's no fun. Doc's finally informed my of the low tolerance issue. Looking back I suppose my problem is good as I love bourbon way too much. May I suggest drinking lots of water today as I think alcohol dehydrates.
I agree, FBV, no hair of the dog for you!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:29:32am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:29:51am |
A 'Vacuum' In Libya: An Opening For Al-Qaida?
p "That raw material and historical legacy date to the 1990s. A group known as the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group tried to topple Gadhafi, and even tried to assassinate him 20 years ago. His security forces responded with a crackdown. Some members of the group fled Libya and joined organizations like al-Qaida. When that happened, Gadhafi saw a new threat: Osama bin Laden. He called on Interpol to intervene."The first international arrest warrant issued by Interpol against bin Laden was requested not by the United States, not by Kenya, or any of the countries you might think," says Hoffman, "but rather by Libya and Col. Gadhafi because of the threat al-Qaida and its brand of Islamism posed to his secular revolution."
So an alliance was formed. At the end of 2007, al-Qaida made the relationship with the Libyan opposition fighters official, and members of the group who had fled Libya became members of al-Qaida.
And some Libyans became part of bin Laden's inner circle. One of al-Qaida's to propagandists today is a Libyan, Abu Yahya al-Libi.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:30:12am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:31:37am |
re: #197 ggt
So far, we haven't seen much sign of Radical Islam. But it's there, so we need to be ready. And we need to support non-Islamists within the Libyan opposition.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:32:38am |
re: #198 ggt
nearly non-existent.
Up here a bit further north we've had enough for ground cover, but not enough to really be a problem.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:35:27am |
FOKNewsChannel.com...(Friends of Keith) Now the question is...will Murdoch ignore what is still a small website? Or will he elevate it by going after Keith on copyright infringement?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:35:36am |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
I just do not think these brave folks are going to want to trade one crazy tyrant for a theocratic tyrant. I could be wrong but I just do have some optimism this time.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:35:57am |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
So far, we haven't seen much sign of Radical Islam. But it's there, so we need to be ready. And we need to support non-Islamists within the Libyan opposition.
Libya doesn't seem as co-hesive as Egypt. Meaning, no elites ready to take over or parlament to step-in for a smooth transition. Also, with so may citizens leaving the country, who will be left?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:38:17am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:43:18am |
re: #202 Rightwingconspirator
I just do not think these brave folks are going to want to trade one crazy tyrant for a theocratic tyrant. I could be wrong but I just do have some optimism this time.
I do too. It's not pessimistic to look at the risks and problems of Libya, as long as you don't focus on the bad to the exclusion of the good, as Glenn Beck does. Being conscious of dangers and pitfalls is simple prudence. You can't count on the goods guys winning, you need to figure out what actions you can take to help them win and support them after they do so.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:44:20am |
Ken has a twitter account and a reality show too!
We are living in the Twilight Zone.
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:45:25am |
re: #205 ggt
OMG!
Ken... Pfft... Something about Ken, we had to have a Ken doll, but we never played with him. We'd just dress him in his little sports wear and put him in his little doll bed and that was about it. Barbie, Francie, Midge and Skipper were far more interesting.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:45:49am |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
I do too. It's not pessimistic to look at the risks and problems of Libya, as long as you don't focus on the bad to the exclusion of the good, as Glenn Beck does. Being conscious of dangers and pitfalls is simple prudence. You can't count on the goods guys winning, you need to figure out what actions you can take to help them win and support them after they do so.
I'm not being pessimistic. I still learning about Libya. It is different from the situation in Egypt.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:46:36am |
re: #208 marjoriemoon
Ken... Pfft... Something about Ken, we had to have a Ken doll, but we never played with him. We'd just dress him in his little sports wear and put him in his little doll bed and that was about it. Barbie, Francie, Midge and Skipper were far more interesting.
I agree, he was just arm candy.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:48:17am |
re: #209 ggt
I'm not being pessimistic. I still learning about Libya. It is different from the situation in Egypt.
I know, I was just saying.
BBL
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darthstar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:51:42am |
re: #208 marjoriemoon
My dog wouldn't play with Ken if you wrapped him in bacon.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:53:45am |
re: #212 darthstar
My dog wouldn't play with Ken if you wrapped him in bacon.
Why do you have a Ken doll???
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:54:23am |
I don't know a thing about these gadgets.
Cigarettes, Even Smokeless Ones, Still Outlawed On U.S. Planes
"The e-cigarette option may also never appeal to some die-hard smokers. As Bloomberg noted last year, at least two people are found smoking old-fashioned cigarettes on airplanes every week, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.
That is unbelievable to me. I still smoke and never even day-dreamed about smoking in the bathroom of an airplane. I guess I've just been conditioned.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:55:35am |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Why do you have a Ken doll???
/
There has to be a joke about the Undead and Ken, but I can't seem to find it.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:56:51am |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Why do you have a Ken doll???
/
I don't have a Ken doll! Dolls are for girls. I have a Ken ACTION FIGURE...
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:58:20am |
re: #216 darthstar
What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:58:28am |
re: #216 darthstar
I don't have a Ken doll! Dolls are for girls. I have a Ken ACTION FIGURE...
rofl! Poor Ken. He wasn't much of a man, really.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:59:10am |
re: #217 PhillyPretzel
What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?
Just her friends...they're friendly. Barbie just wants to show off her bling.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:00:10am |
re: #217 PhillyPretzel
What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?
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darthstar Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:00:45am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:00:50am |
re: #217 PhillyPretzel
What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?
Ken carries the tennis rackets and bags from the car to the court and then back to the car after the match. He drives the pink cadillac convertible to and from the courts.
He walks the dog and carries in the groceries. He empties the trash AND replaces the liner.
He takes Barbie on a dates to expensive restaurants and shows where she can show-off her clothes and new hair style. Then leaves her at her front door with a kiss on the cheek.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:02:47am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:03:06am |
re: #223 PhillyPretzel
Okay.
Then he finds his friends and goes-out to the gay bars and get's drunk.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:03:29am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:04:13am |
re: #226 ggt
linky no worky
Crap.
It did this yesterday. Works fine for me, but not others.
I blame Walter.
:/
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:04:49am |
re: #222 ggt
Ken carries the tennis rackets and bags from the car to the court and then back to the car after the match. He drives the pink cadillac convertible to and from the courts.
He walks the dog and carries in the groceries. He empties the trash AND replaces the liner.
He takes Barbie on a dates to expensive restaurants and shows where she can show-off her clothes and new hair style. Then leaves her at her front door with a kiss on the cheek.
Exactly! Of course, there's White Trash Barbie from the other side of the tracks.
Image: BarbieWhiteTrash.jpg
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:05:19am |
re: #227 Varek Raith
Crap.
It did this yesterday. Works fine for me, but not others.
I blame Walter.
:/
FU.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:05:28am |
re: #228 marjoriemoon
Exactly! Of course, there's White Trash Barbie from the other side of the tracks.
Image: BarbieWhiteTrash.jpg
ROTFLAMO
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:05:59am |
re: #225 ggt
That is what happens when a guy does all of that stuff. :::sigh::
There is no such thing as a perfect man.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:06:42am |
The Real Barbie --hasn't been to the salon in a while.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:07:37am |
re: #231 PhillyPretzel
That is what happens when a guy does all of that stuff. :::sigh::
There is no such thing as a perfect man.
There are those that believe there was one --about 2000 years ago.
Other than that, I'm of the understanding that all humans are flawed. Especially men.
:0
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:09:05am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:15:32am |
re: #234 Varek Raith
HOLY CRAP!
SORCERER!!!
:)
How ya doing?
OK... you know... I started this part time job at Krogers in March of 2010, I took it because, like a lot of people, I needed something. I said "it's not a career, just something to do until the IT market picks back up." Well, it's now been almost a year... when do I start being honest with myself and realize that for now, it's a career?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:17:51am |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
OK... you know... I started this part time job at Krogers in March of 2010, I took it because, like a lot of people, I needed something. I said "it's not a career, just something to do until the IT market picks back up." Well, it's now been almost a year... when do I start being honest with myself and realize that for now, it's a career?
It's a Brave New World. Kudo's to you for staying in the game!
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:22:13am |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
OK... you know... I started this part time job at Krogers in March of 2010, I took it because, like a lot of people, I needed something. I said "it's not a career, just something to do until the IT market picks back up." Well, it's now been almost a year... when do I start being honest with myself and realize that for now, it's a career?
hehe The question is, what's the diff between a career and a job?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:30:08am |
re: #238 marjoriemoon
hehe The question is, what's the diff between a career and a job?
Well, considering this is part time, and at about 10 dollars an hour, I'd call it a job. Seven years ago, when I was still in IT, making 45 dollars an hour, that was a career.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:31:42am |
re: #238 marjoriemoon
hehe The question is, what's the diff between a career and a job?
Addendum: And considering I'm 58 and have NO INTEREST in advancing into a management position, or any position other than my current duties as a cashier, then I guess it's certainly just a job.
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RadicalModerate Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:38:32am |
After the utterly repulsive and race-baiting billboard that was taken down (as documented here) I was hoping that that ugly tactic of the anti-abortionists would have served as an indicator that argument wasn't the most wise one to make.
Along comes Rush Limbaugh, who apparently hadn't blown his dogwhistle enough this week, with all the tirades he had regarding First Lady Michelle Obama's recipes. He decided to bring the shovel, and the whistle with him to yesterday's radio program with this gem (audio included in link):
Rush Limbaugh: “Planned Parenthood, Doing The Job The Klan Could Never Finish”
“You want to to really stir things up, talk about who owns Planned Parenthood and where are these clinics being put? They’re being put in black neighborhoods. Who’s making money? Who’s profitting? Liberals! Leftists, obviously! Pro-abortion types. And who’s defending them? Someone tries to put a billboard up defending them, they get run out of town by Al Sharpton and the rest. My God, folks, this is, this is…well, this is intolerable…Well, I don’t know if we should go that far. Planned Parenthood, doing the job the Klan could never finish? Is that what you’re thinking?”
And Rush is chuckling right as he's speaking the last sentences. Creating an equivalence between Planned Parenthood and the KKK is FUNNY to him.
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Ericus58 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:43:09am |
Man blows himself up with grenade outside Moscow store
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
"The man drove to the shop in north-east Moscow, got out of his car and mumbled unintelligibly before pulling the pin out of the grenade, witnesses said."
Gosh, at least he only did himself in.
Maybe that paper/plastic choice was too much...
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:45:57am |
re: #241 RadicalModerate
Utterly moronic. Yes, 'the Left' is 'doing the job the KKK could never do.' Makes sense to destroy a consistent voting block since Rush likes to harp on the fact that Dems receive 90% support from the black community. Yes, 'the Left is destroying their own voting block.'
Jeebus, what a moron.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:53:02am |
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:53:24am |
re: #7 elizajane
Small rant of the day:
What is this middle class race to the bottom? Why, when confronted with the benefits enjoyed by at least some government workers, do private sector workers not say, "Hey! My employer, whose stock has doubled in value in the past 2 years, should be giving me those kind of benefits too!" Why do they say instead "Hey, my salary hasn't gone up in five years and I have crappy health insurance and a minimal retirement plan. Everybody else should have it just as bad as I do!"
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince the middle class that they should grab those just above them as they and their mortgages sink under water? That instead of trying to improve their own lot, they should fight to worsen the lots of others?It really, really bothers me.
It should bother you when some people seek to hurt the general welfare rather than raise it, or at a minimum, raise their own. But what you're missing is that the private sector is different from the public sector.
The private sector isn't in a position to grant increases in pay and benefits except when it's making money. The more value a private sector company produces, the more is available for distribution to stockholders, management, workers, and the general public. [The general public gets a share of the benefits of this economic activity, because any voluntary exchange benefits both parties.] Unions, in the private sector, are part of the equation determining how these benefits are shared out. But unions, as well as corporations, are constrained by the fact that prices have to cover costs, and if costs rise too far, the price that the market will offer won't be enough to do that. The company will fail. Nobody wants that, not management, not workers, not unions, and not the public. So mostly that sort of overreach is avoided.
When a public sector union negotiates for a pay or benefit raise, the equation is different. Those on the other side of the table are not similarly constrained. In fact, it is in their own interests to agree to the demands. Grateful union management will contribute cash and man-hours to their next campaign. Management doesn't have to face angry stockholders or customers...there aren't any.
So, granting benefits to public sector unions carries no cost. It's a win-win equation. There's no reason benefits and pay should not be raised. Higher, and higher, and then yet higher. What sort of grouch would get in the way of that?
You see the snag, right? In the real world, while fiat money is potentially infinite, apples and oranges must come from orchards. Every economic good is in limited supply. At some point, yet more for some is, inexorably, less for others. Somehow, somewhere, somebody makes do with less, when somebody else gets too much. The only way out of this is if the somebody who gets more is doing great work, and merits that pay. The supply and quality of human labor is contingent, more so than the supply of the other economic inputs.
Unionized ublic workers' pay, in the minds of those who object to yet higher pay and benefits for public sector unions, has already got as high as it can go and be in any sort of objective relation to the quality of the work done. That is to say, workers in the private sector are underpaid relative to their unionized public sector counterparts. (Turn it around---public sector unionized workers are overpaid.) This is mostly due to a disparity in "benefits", rather than in overt wages. In Wisconsin, for instance, the state picks up almost all medical and pension expenses. Private sector workers can mostly only dream of such a deal.
The fact that there are other hogs at the trough, others who provide value not commensurate with their reward, does not make this particular pig-out any better. Management that scores huge bonuses even as it's crashing the company is another case of rewards that are out of line with reality.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:55:19am |
re: #241 RadicalModerate
After the utterly repulsive and race-baiting billboard that was taken down (as documented here) I was hoping that that ugly tactic of the anti-abortionists would have served as an indicator that argument wasn't the most wise one to make.
Along comes Rush Limbaugh, who apparently hadn't blown his dogwhistle enough this week, with all the tirades he had regarding First Lady Michelle Obama's recipes. He decided to bring the shovel, and the whistle with him to yesterday's radio program with this gem (audio included in link):
Rush Limbaugh: “Planned Parenthood, Doing The Job The Klan Could Never Finish”
And Rush is chuckling right as he's speaking the last sentences. Creating an equivalence between Planned Parenthood and the KKK is FUNNY to him.
What a hateful prick he is. Really, I feel bad for him having all that hatred for liberals.
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:58:24am |
re: #244 Naso Tang
Correction, his listeners are.
Yes, no disagreement there. But he clearly Got Derp right there.
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RadicalModerate Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:59:10am |
re: #243 BigPapa
Of course, the entire idea of Rush standing up for minorities is absolutely ludicrous, as evidenced by more than a few instances of his defending groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens (formerly known as the White Citizens Council) and the League of the South - both of which have historical ties to... The Ku Klux Klan.
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:18:20am |
The Republicans shrugged off an analysis by a Goldman Sachs economist that the $61 billion in cuts, if enacted, could slow economic growth this year by up to two percentage points.
well who cares what well known socialists like goldman sachs say, anyway?
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:23:23am |
re: #245 lostlakehiker
That sounds like a rationale I heard yesterday from a talking head: why do we need health inspectors?
'The companies selling food have a vested interest in not poisoning people with contaminated food, they'd be toast.'
The error is assuming a real dynamic is a hard rule. In my early 20's I made this idealistic mistake frequently. You would think that the rationale quoted above would ensure that nobody ever got poisoned because the company would go out of business (ensue Darwinism theory for business, though most hard/fast capitalists are creationsts.... damn, we'll pick that up some other time). They'd never want to go out of business right? Therefore, they'll never poison anybody! Easy.
The problem is reality sets in, other powerful influences also take part in the equation. Not to mention history: Jack in The Box didn't go under when people died from infected beef, nor do I recall how many companies go out of business after poisonings/fines. In fact, it's probably a cost of doing business. Plus, if there is an infraction.... 'we can't close this beef plant, all these people will lost their jobs. What about the jobs?'
So back to the public vs private issue so my previous is not a strawman: there are differences but that doesn't mean that the rationale for looking at them differently is correct. Unions can be corrupt and tainted by cronyism... but so can private unions (car manufacturers). Just because the potential for corruption may be higher at the public trough (as you outlined) does not mean it actually happens to the degree you imply it will.
As of right now public unions are being asked to share the burdens of tough times... so your case as presented doesn't hold true.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:27:37am |
Meanwhile Pam Geller quotes VDARE columnist Steve Sailer to attack SPLC.
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:30:01am |
Hey Hoops, don't hate me... but you're gonna hate me.
I'm drinking a fresh pressed cup of Kona that a client grew and roasted himself. I think Kona is best in a press as opposed to drip.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:32:03am |
re: #251 Sergey Romanov
Meanwhile Pam Geller quotes VDARE columnist Steve Sailer to attack SPLC.
Did she?
Their press release included a quote from a homophobic Christian supremacist: Hate Group Denies Bigotry by Quoting Homophobe
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:33:34am |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
Did she?
Their press release included a quote from a homophobic Christian supremacist: Hate Group Denies Bigotry by Quoting Homophobe
Yep, "Over at Steve Sailer's blog:".
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:33:49am |
re: #252 BigPapa
Hey Hoops, don't hate me... but you're gonna hate me.
I'm drinking a fresh pressed cup of Kona that a client grew and roasted himself. I think Kona is best in a press as opposed to drip.
I talked my company into supplying our office with Kona coffee in addition to the normal brands...I drink kona every day at work...It's Flavia brand but it's Kona!
I am so jealous of you!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:33:53am |
The critique is funny: Dees is rich, so there.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:35:01am |
re: #251 Sergey Romanov
Meanwhile Pam Geller quotes VDARE columnist Steve Sailer to attack SPLC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:35:58am |
re: #241 RadicalModerate
After the utterly repulsive and race-baiting billboard that was taken down (as documented here) I was hoping that that ugly tactic of the anti-abortionists would have served as an indicator that argument wasn't the most wise one to make.
Along comes Rush Limbaugh, who apparently hadn't blown his dogwhistle enough this week, with all the tirades he had regarding First Lady Michelle Obama's recipes. He decided to bring the shovel, and the whistle with him to yesterday's radio program with this gem (audio included in link):
Rush Limbaugh: “Planned Parenthood, Doing The Job The Klan Could Never Finish”
And Rush is chuckling right as he's speaking the last sentences. Creating an equivalence between Planned Parenthood and the KKK is FUNNY to him.
And Rush Limbaugh grabs the baton of the RRW's ongoing attempt to link women's health and available abortion with genocide. Not that they were planning to do shit for black women or children, mind you.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:37:26am |
re: #252 BigPapa
Hey Hoops, don't hate me... but you're gonna hate me.
I'm drinking a fresh pressed cup of Kona that a client grew and roasted himself. I think Kona is best in a press as opposed to drip.
I think I hate you too, and I don't even drink coffee.
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:38:11am |
Breitbart is still oinking about Pigford... that dead pygmy horse is starting to rot Andrew.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:38:11am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:39:38am |
re: #256 Sergey Romanov
The critique is funny: Dees is rich, so there.
I really don't get it. Are they (Pam and friends) Commies or what? Desperate.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:39:41am |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
Did she?
Their press release included a quote from a homophobic Christian supremacist: Hate Group Denies Bigotry by Quoting Homophobe
Weird thing for me is their claim that SPLC is radical left. If you read SPLC's wesbite or their magazine, the Intelligence Report, you'll see that they condemn left wing extremism too. Shit they were criticizing the new black panthers when Glenn Beck thought new black panther was a new animal.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:41:16am |
I also noticed that the group did little to refute the bigot label. They only attack the SPLC's credibility and cite the Washington Times no less haha.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:42:16am |
Morris Dees is rich. Therefore hate is good. Duh!
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Ericus58 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:43:27am |
Breaking News - BBC is reporting that UK aircraft made a daring rescue of Britons stranded and in poor straights out in remote desert locations.
Details to follow.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:44:35am |
Morris Dees has an objet d'art in his house. Therefore SPLC lies about Pam Geller. How about dat?
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:45:34am |
re: #245 lostlakehiker
public sector unionized workers are overpaid
this is merely your opinion, and i disagree
and your whole argument is based on this opinion
and i don't accept that it is possible for you to "prove" your assertion by making comparisons to other groups of workers
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Ericus58 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:46:35am |
RAF Hercules planes rescue 150 from Libya desert
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
"Two RAF Hercules have rescued about 150 workers from the Libyan desert, Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said.
The planes, carrying Britons and other foreign nationals, have reached Malta.
......................
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the "extremely complex" operation took days to plan.
It involved the use of SAS and SBS special forces and planners had to ascertain whether Libya's air defences were operation, Mr Gardner said.
He said: "It was not just oil workers in one camp. They had to deal with several different locations and a number of heavily armed people.""
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:47:40am |
re: #257 wrenchwench
Unfortunately there are some good names listed in there. E.g. both Paul Gross and Frank Miele are good guys, but with that "contrarian" streak that makes them appear in bad company. :(
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:48:29am |
re: #270 Sergey Romanov
Unfortunately there are some good names listed in there. E.g. both Paul Gross and Frank Miele are good guys, but with that "contrarian" streak that makes them appear in bad company. :(
Dennett too.
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:48:59am |
re: #268 engineer dog
The new meme is 'public sector unions diff than private sector: public unions bad. See, we're only going after those public sector unions.'
But the meme is based on faulty logic that is hiding the real agenda: destroying the Democratic power base. If the GOP succeeds as public unions then private ones are next, but the meme will change to 'public and private are not much different.'
They're doing it because they think they can get away with it. Truly shameful.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:49:20am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:49:37am |
re: #265 Sergey Romanov
Morris Dees is rich. Therefore hate is good. Duh!
Morris Dees' organization actually destroyed the viability of an actual terrorist organization that was actually oppressing and killing Americans. By all means, Pam, who has made a little career for herself ranting about bogeymen under the bed should denigrate him for having money.
//Is not a civil rights attorney entitled to the sweat of his brow, Pam?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:50:44am |
re: #273 Sergey Romanov
Steven Pinker is a good guy too. So no, that anti-Sailer posting paints with too broad a brush to be credible.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:50:59am |
re: #273 Sergey Romanov
I updated my page with the steve sailer link. Thanks.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:51:12am |
re: #269 Ericus58
RAF Hercules planes rescue 150 from Libya desert
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
"Two RAF Hercules have rescued about 150 workers from the Libyan desert, Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said.
The planes, carrying Britons and other foreign nationals, have reached Malta.
...
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the "extremely complex" operation took days to plan.It involved the use of SAS and SBS special forces and planners had to ascertain whether Libya's air defences were operation, Mr Gardner said.
He said: "It was not just oil workers in one camp. They had to deal with several different locations and a number of heavily armed people.""
good for them...take the offensive if necessary
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:52:44am |
re: #270 Sergey Romanov
Unfortunately there are some good names listed in there. E.g. both Paul Gross and Frank Miele are good guys, but with that "contrarian" streak that makes them appear in bad company. :(
re: #275 Sergey Romanov
Steven Pinker is a good guy too. So no, that anti-Sailer posting paints with too broad a brush to be credible.
Thanks. They certainly cast a wide net, and I don't know enough to critique it. Surprised to see Pinker, though.
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:53:58am |
re: #272 BigPapa
there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:55:17am |
re: #278 wrenchwench
First of all, Sailer's extremism was sort of an evolution, kind of like Joe Sobran's. So I guess there was a time when he was "respectable". Second, from this list I just wouldn't presume that people in HBD list share the assumptions of its founder. I mean, Paul Krugman? Nah. So it's probably just a place of debate.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:55:56am |
re: #279 engineer dog
there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other
conspiracy!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:55:58am |
re: #279 engineer dog
there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other
And then there came the boycotts and then the freedom rides,
And forgetting what you stood for, you tried to block the tide,
Oh, the automation bosses werre laughin' on the side,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain, on the chain,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:57:03am |
re: #279 engineer dog
there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other
Of course. See the quote I use in my profile. Best description of GOP/right-wing strategy I've ever seen.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:57:52am |
re: #269 Ericus58
RAF Hercules planes rescue 150 from Libya desert
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
"Two RAF Hercules have rescued about 150 workers from the Libyan desert, Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said.
The planes, carrying Britons and other foreign nationals, have reached Malta.
...
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the "extremely complex" operation took days to plan.It involved the use of SAS and SBS special forces and planners had to ascertain whether Libya's air defences were operation, Mr Gardner said.
He said: "It was not just oil workers in one camp. They had to deal with several different locations and a number of heavily armed people.""
I would have been *very* surprised if the SAS hadn't been involved in a big way. It was always going to happen - the only question was when. It would have been a very delicate operation to get two hercs in without the Libyans taking action - easily a couple of days of planning (atleast).
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:58:10am |
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:58:13am |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
And then there came the boycotts and then the freedom rides,
And forgetting what you stood for, you tried to block the tide,
Oh, the automation bosses werre laughin' on the side,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain, on the chain,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain.
You are indeed the lizard whisperer
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:59:40am |
re: #279 engineer dog
there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other
Ah yes, class warfare, a favorite subject the right loves to hammer the left on. Do I sense a faint nuance of MEGA MONSTER FUCKING HYPOCRISY on this from the right? Just a tad?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:01:11am |
(NEW YORK) -- It took the Los Angeles school district five years at a cost of $3.5 million to fire six teachers for poor performance, An investigation by a L.A. area weekly newspaper found.
The story is similar in New York City where hundreds of teachers considered too inept to teach are kept out of classrooms, but continue to collect full salaries and benefits.
[Link: wlsam.com...]
some perspective
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:01:51am |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
She's wrong, life doesn't begin at conception, it began billions of years ago and never ended. Sperm and eggs are undoubtedly life, and human life (after all, it's not a dog life or honey badger life).
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albusteve Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:02:20am |
re: #284 wozzablog
I would have been *very* surprised if the SAS hadn't been involved in a big way. It was always going to happen - the only question was when. It would have been a very delicate operation to get two hercs in without the Libyans taking action - easily a couple of days of planning (atleast).
Britain paid Libyan officials 'bribes' to allow rescue flights to land at Tripoli airport
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:03:29am |
re: #279 engineer dog
there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other
The "boss" class has always done it.
They prevented the workers uniting during Reconstruction. One of the main reasons for the failure of Socialism to actually take hold in America was the inabillity of the underclass of both races to see their economic situation was the same. Dirt poor and no education.
It suited the Bosses to keep the races apart and afraid.
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:03:43am |
re: #281 albusteve
conspiracy!
i'm shocked - shocked! - that you would suggest that powerful private interests would conspire to influence public policy!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:03:49am |
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:04:27am |
re: #290 albusteve
Britain paid Libyan officials 'bribes' to allow rescue flights to land at Tripoli airport
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Everybody bribes everybody over there.
BAE systems has been doing it on behalf of the UK govt for years across the region.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:05:11am |
re: #289 Sergey Romanov
She's wrong, life doesn't begin at conception, it began billions of years ago and never ended. Sperm and eggs are undoubtedly life, and human life (after all, it's not a dog life or honey badger life).
"It's a Honey Badger Life" sounds like the title of something.
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Ericus58 Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:05:32am |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
Damn, if that idiot and those like him don't get me angry....
Represent this, MoFo!
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Stanghazi Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:05:33am |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
As I’m sure you know, more than 50% of fertilized eggs –Georgia citizens! — naturally don’t implant, and are flushed out of the body during menstruation. I am personally concerned that my own murdering woman-body may have flushed out some human beings, and I may have flushed them down the toilet without knowing that I was disposing of Georgia citizens in such an undignified way.
Oh this is good.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:08:12am |
re: #297 Stanley Sea
HA! I was just going to paste the exact same quote. GMTA :)
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albusteve Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:18:32am |
A report this week that the North Korean regime is on high alert is a reminder that the ongoing unrest in the Arab world kicked off by Tunisia’s Jasmine Revolution has implications that stretch far beyond the Middle East.
are the Norks ready to rise up?...they are starving again and begging for food via their embassies
[Link: the-diplomat.com...]
and what about Cuba...could it happen there?
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:20:43am |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
And the one linked to there is also good.
Another thing. If “’prenatal murder’ means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus,” does this mean that I have to leave my tampons in my vagina until they fall out of their own accord? In 1999 I forgot about one up there after a wild weekend, got toxic shock and had to go to the ER at Bellevue where a doctor removed it – do you need to shoot him? (At least I’m off the hook for that one, right?) I don’t remember his name, but he was blond and looked like a stoner Jeff Daniels. Maybe a posse should track him down?
The paragraph after that is even better.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:21:53am |
re: #299 albusteve
A report this week that the North Korean regime is on high alert is a reminder that the ongoing unrest in the Arab world kicked off by Tunisia’s Jasmine Revolution has implications that stretch far beyond the Middle East.
are the Norks ready to rise up?...they are starving again and begging for food via their embassies
[Link: the-diplomat.com...]
and what about Cuba...could it happen there?
I don't think there's much danger of an uprising in North Korea. These uprisings have been fueled in part by open communication from the internet, cellphones, twitter, etc and the free access to information. Korea is still in the dark and any attempt at an uprising would be instantly crushed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:26:27am |
re: #301 wrenchwench
And the one linked to there is also good.
The paragraph after that is even better.
Oy gottenyu.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:27:16am |
My Israeli movie is getting all dark and sad, and Ashraf's crazy brother-in-law caught him kissing the cute Israeli guy.
:(
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:29:54am |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
I don't think there's much danger of an uprising in North Korea. These uprisings have been fueled in part by open communication from the internet, cellphones, twitter, etc and the free access to information. Korea is still in the dark and any attempt at an uprising would be instantly crushed.
Could it happen here?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:30:49am |
re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist
Oy gottenyu.
Help me, OB-GYN Kenobi – I mean, Representative Franklin. You’re my only hope.
Classic.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:32:01am |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
Could it happen here?
Could we force Gaddafi to leave the United States? Sure, I think we've done it a couple of times, not that he was trying too hard to stay.
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Bear Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:36:49am |
Not having access to TV, I wonder if there was any snow in the SF area down to sea level. Anyone know?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:41:01am |
re: #308 Bear
Not having access to TV, I wonder if there was any snow in the SF area down to sea level. Anyone know?
So far I have not seen any, and I'm in the East Bay, at sea level. It was cold as hell last night--still is--but clear.
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treasured people Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:43:51am |
Here, in Israel, all is calm. Why does the world lack the will to depose brutal tyrants such as Gaddafi and Kim Jong Il? How about organizing an international force to get rid of them? The only country the world can agree on is Israel, and not for the right reasons. And only Israel can lead the world back to sanity. The day is not long off, perhaps, when there will be protests everywhere, except in the Land of Israel.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:45:14am |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
Morris Dees' organization actually destroyed the viability of an actual terrorist organization that was actually oppressing and killing Americans. By all means, Pam, who has made a little career for herself ranting about bogeymen under the bed should denigrate him for having money.
//Is not a civil rights attorney entitled to the sweat of his brow, Pam?
Morris Dees was a freat deal richer before he started SPLC. He ran a major publishing enterprise and a successful law firm with Millard Fuller. Both their families had a religious revival and turned away from the cash.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:45:27am |
re: #311 treasured people
The day is not long off, perhaps, when there will be protests everywhere, except in the Land of Israel.
How so?
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:07:46pm |
re: #271 Sergey Romanov
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I updated my page with the steve sailer link. Thanks.
Dennett too.
Take that list with a gain of salt. Sailer could have invited anyone and that doesn't mean those that were invited agree with Sailer. The list is also from 1999. I was able to locate a couple clarifications from a two people on that list:
From: Marek Kohn
To: Lynn Conway
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: HBDGDear Lynn,
As you have published a membership list for the Human Biodiversity discussion group which includes my name, I'm writing to make clear that I reject the racial theories propounded by Steve Sailer and his colleagues.
I'm also fundamentally opposed to the political ideologies which appear to prevail in those circles; my own politics are of the democratic left.
My involvement in these matters arises from my book The Race Gallery: The Return of Racial Science. The site I created to accompany the book can be found via my homepage.
Its introductory page carries the slogan "for free speech : against racism". I believe that in the area of race and science, the second half requires the first: free speech is vital if racism is to be effectively opposed.
Yours,
Marek Kohn
and
Dear Andrea,
With reference to your web page
[Link: www.tsroadmap.com...]
Please note that I am not connected with Steve Salier or his "Human Biodiversity Institute" and that I have not written about or expressed any public opinion at all about transsexualism. I did belong to Sailer's list for a while, but left after he continually blocked my postings, presumably because he didn't approve of the content.
Best wishes
Ian PitchfordDr. Ian Pitchford
Editor, The Human Nature Review
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:09:46pm |
re: #314 Gus 802
See #280.
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Gus Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:14:42pm |
re: #315 Sergey Romanov
See #280.
Cool. Yeah. When I first looked at that list I thought that most of those people are the complete opposite of Sailer.
Geller quoting Sailer to defend herself is classic.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:35:15pm |
re: #289 Sergey Romanov
She's wrong, life doesn't begin at conception, it began billions of years ago and never ended. Sperm and eggs are undoubtedly life, and human life (after all, it's not a dog life or honey badger life).
A zygote is just a gamete's way of creating more gametes. This is the purpose of the universe.
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