Presidential Debate 1: The Wrap-Up

PoliticsSeptember 2016 • Views: 57,304

Well, here’s our wrap-up thread for tonight’s debate. I’m sure Donald Trump’s fans think he did tremendously well! but by any objective measure he was soundly thrashed by Hillary Clinton tonight.

Yes, he lied constantly, as everyone knew he would. He lied about supporting the Iraq War, he lied about his Birther history, he shouted and yelled and interrupted Clinton over and over. He even denied saying “global warming was created by the Chinese,” even though the tweet is still posted:

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012

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If Trump finds an excuse to back out of the remaining debates I won’t be surprised one bit, because this was a disaster for him. Hillary came off as poised and prepared and calm, and he was unhinged and increasingly incoherent. It was a complete meltdown.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 8:18:56pm

Taking a gander at the hate-right web, doesn’t look like Drumpfskind support was affected at all. Drudge poll has, of course, Drumpfskind winning by a huge margin.

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:26pm

Trump is having a hissy fit outside his car. Yelling at people

— Karoli (@Karoli) September 27, 2016

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gocart mozart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:37pm

I think this is what #Hillary is doing to #Trump right now, @AlGiordano pic.twitter.com/UY5qUPkv3S

— Greg Berger (@gringoyo) September 27, 2016

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:38pm

It is too bad that DF isn’t around any more for the moment/hope he comes back after the election when the smoke clears, have some D&D stuff I’d love to talk to him about.

Also so this post isn’t entirely off thread, I wish Hilary had hit Trump harder on his “take the oil” comments, given that it’s not like we can just suck all the oil out of Iraq load it up in a big sack/can and run away with it…. which doesn’t even touch on how illegal it would be to do so…

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:50pm

re: #1 freetoken

Taking a gander at the hate-right web, doesn’t look like Drumpfskind support was affected at all. Drudge poll has, of course, Drumpfskind winning by a huge margin.

I really don’t think most people expected the hate-right to change their mind.

This was about the undecided and moderates who might be wavering.

Belafon Sep 26, 2016 • 8:20:19pm

re: #1 freetoken

Taking a gander at the hate-right web, doesn’t look like Drumpfskind support was affected at all. Drudge poll has, of course, Drumpfskind winning by a huge margin.

Clinton was never going to win over his core support. She’s after the undecideds, and to give comfort to those who worry about every little dip in the polls.

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:20:34pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

It is too bad that DF isn’t around any more for the moment/hope he comes back after the election when the smoke clears, have some D&D stuff I’d love to talk to him about.

Also so this post isn’t entirely off thread, I wish Hilary had hit Trump harder on his “take the oil” comments, given that it’s not like we can just suck all the oil out of Iraq load it up in a big sack/can and run away with it…. which doesn’t even touch on how illegal it would be to do so…

Yeah I would have liked to seen her hit back on that as well. She did a great job all in all though.

Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 8:20:34pm

What I saw tonight was what I’d really hoped for, which was Hillary to slit Trump’s throat in the opening exchange and spend the rest of the debate letting him drown in his own blood. The bar was already set exceedingly low for him and he still managed to utterly fuck it up.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Sep 26, 2016 • 8:21:29pm

so woman in group in ohio just admits that trump is a jack ass but is voting for him anyway.

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re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah I would have liked to seen her hit back on that as well. She did a great job all in all though.

One of the few things Trump did right was to say so many outlandish things that Hillary didn’t know which targets at which to hit back.

Damning with faint praise, I know.

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:21:49pm

re: #9 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

so woman in group in ohio just admits that trump is a jack ass but is voting for him anyway.

They really hate Clinton that much. Gah.

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:07pm

BREAKING : Trump Destroying Hillary in “Who Won the Debate” Poll https://t.co/VNB38YBZ9y #debatenight #debates #Debates2016

— DeplorableMex4Trump (@kinni00) September 27, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:13pm

Clinton wins the search results. Before (top) and after (bottom) the #debate —via @GoogleTrends: pic.twitter.com/Twn4aappBw

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 27, 2016

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:26pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah I would have liked to seen her hit back on that as well. She did a great job all in all though.

She was clearly not First Debate Obama.

I just wish we had some better moderating fact checkers, but who knows as Trump continues to not pull a miracle recovery maybe some of the golden coating will smear away revealing the tarnished junk beneath and the press will feel more comfortable telling people what a crazy jackass he is.

gocart mozart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:32pm

That Donald sniff sounds very cokey.

— Al Giordano (@AlGiordano) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:37pm

Trump winning critical Drudge polling.

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:40pm

re: #10 A wild WITHAK appeared!

One of the few things Trump did right was to say so many outlandish things that Hillary didn’t know which targets at which to hit back.

Damning with faint praise, I know.

Well I guess that’s what the ads will be for. You know they’re going to pounce on that he answered a question about him attacking her looks with a weird rant about her stamina and Rosie O’Donnell.

FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:46pm

.@realDonaldTrump, when asked about “your president” remark: “He’s everybody’s president.” https://t.co/chpO11aZqc pic.twitter.com/2i6wWzglq0

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 27, 2016

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:07pm

re: #9 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

so woman in group in ohio just admits that trump is a jack ass but is voting for him anyway.

Trumpism is turning into a living embodiment of the exact definition of a cult.

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:10pm

re: #12 jaunte

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Oh yes, online voting, always so accurate especially when on a right wing circle jerk site like Drudge.

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:11pm

Really, the best part of the debate, for me, was just watching donald’s face go through contortions like he was Linda Blair in The Exorcist.

calochortus Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:24pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

What I saw tonight was what I’d really hoped for, which was Hillary to slit Trump’s throat in the opening exchange and spend the rest of the debate letting him drown in his own blood. The bar was already set exceedingly low for him and he still managed to utterly fuck it up.

She got under his skin at the 20 minute mark. I commented on it to Mr. C.

Various commentators on PBS felt that Trump did well for the first half hour and then tanked.

jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:49pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

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I hope the electoral college ends up looking like the “after” map as well…

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:55pm

Trump Killing Epistemic Closure Poll!!!

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:24:08pm

re: #22 calochortus

She got under his skin at the 20 minute mark. I commented on it to Mr. C.

Various commentators on PBS felt that Trump did well for the first half hour and then tanked.

That seemed to be the thought on CNN as well that he started out decent talking about trade but then really went down hill from there.

VegasGolfer Sep 26, 2016 • 8:24:12pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Trumpism is turning into a living embodiment of the exact definition of a cult.

Lots of uneducated idiots in this country.

FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:24:34pm

Trump surrogates in spin room also criticizing Holt’s moderation and focus, which is always telling.

— daveweigel (@daveweigel) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:24:47pm

Trump skipping Suffolk County GOP victory party and heading back to NYC, per pooler @ZekeJMiller.

— Eli Stokols (@EliStokols) September 27, 2016

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Just like the winner he is.

freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 8:24:57pm

Is it true that the Drumpfskind campaign is deleting old Drumpf-tweets?

Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 8:25:14pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart

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Losing teams always bitch about the referees.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:25:41pm

re: #29 freetoken

Is it true that the Drumpfskind campaign is deleting old Drumpf-tweets?

No.

Misinformation on Twitter.

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:25:46pm

CNN Focus group: 18 of 20 undecided Florida voters say Hillary Clinton won the debate (and seem inclined to vote for her).

— Al Giordano (@AlGiordano) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:25:55pm

re: #29 freetoken

Is it true that the Drumpfskind campaign is deleting old Drumpf-tweets?

Klys said that tehy did not in fact delete the Chinese created climate change tweet.

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:26:12pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

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Melania looks like she’s not looking forward to going home with donald tonight.

jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:26:19pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Losing teams always bitch about the referees.

Not true, sometimes they bitch about Nuffle and the injury dice.

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:26:29pm

Who will Trump fire tonight?

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:26:32pm

re: #32 jaunte

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That’s good to know. I don’t know how anyone can be undecided but if Hillary won a lot of undecided people over tonight, bully for her.

jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:26:48pm

re: #32 jaunte

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There were still 20 undecided voters in Florida?

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:27:14pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

That’s good to know. I don’t know how anyone can be undecided but if Hillary won a lot of undecided people over tonight, bully for her.

We’re political junkies, but a lot of people will have just started to pay attention.

Probably a pretty nice opening act.

jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:27:15pm

re: #36 jaunte

Who will Trump fire tonight?

That fat jerk in the mirror who is always making him look bad.

calochortus Sep 26, 2016 • 8:27:22pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Melania looks like she’s not looking forward to going home with donald tonight.

I wouldn’t look forward to going home with him any night.

A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 26, 2016 • 8:27:41pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Well I guess that’s what the ads will be for. You know they’re going to pounce on that he answered a question about him attacking her looks with a weird rant about her stamina and Rosie O’Donnell.

Haha, yeah. So much ad material for Team Hillary here. Just great!

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:28:00pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re political junkies, but a lot of people will have just started to pay attention.

Probably a pretty nice opening act.

True that.

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:28:08pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Melania looks like she’s not looking forward to going home with donald tonight.

I was thinking earlier she might be wise to leave early.

A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 26, 2016 • 8:29:07pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Melania looks like she’s not looking forward to going home with donald tonight.

@pattonoswalt you just know Melania is staring out of the limo window hoping he doesnt make her wear a pants suit for the angry sex tonight

— Janey Godley (@JaneyGodley) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:29:18pm

re: #42 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Haha, yeah. So much ad material for Team Hillary here. Just great!

Or his comment about evading taxes making him smart. Honestly, I think with the right ads and attack, they could hit into how he does with white guys without a college degree. Granted the white guy without a degree I watched the debate with (my dad) is atypical of that demo in a lot of ways.

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:29:24pm

re: #42 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Haha, yeah. So much ad material for Team Hillary here. Just great!

He spent so much time whining about how mean her ads are, when all her ads are just him and his own words.

Brian J. Sep 26, 2016 • 8:29:52pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re political junkies, but a lot of people will have just started to pay attention.

Probably a pretty nice opening act.

In many countries, the campaign would have just gotten started. For example, Australia’s election in July came after an unusually long campaign of… eight weeks.

A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:07pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

He spent so much time whining about how mean her ads are, when all her ads are just him and his own words.

“How dare you quote my own words to make me look bad”

Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:20pm

re: #44 jaunte

I was thinking earlier she might be wise to leave early.

She still hasn’t been seen since the RNC speech of Michelle Obama’s she gave.

Should we put her picture on a milk carton?

By the way, where’s that immigration speech Mr. Trump promised she’d give about her status?

Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:27pm

re: #48 Brian J.

I like that idea.

Charles Johnson Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:43pm

Oh, COME ON. @nytimes @nytopinion https://t.co/5yuj1y9MJt

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:47pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

He spent so much time whining about how mean her ads are, when all her ads are just him and his own words.

And then patting himself on the back. Really, if you’re supporting Trump because you think he’s a man’s man or that he’s a tough guy then I just have to laugh at you because Trump is quite honestly the biggest baby ever to seek this office on a major party’s ticket.

Brian J. Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:54pm

re: #50 Anymouse

She still hasn’t been seen since the RNC speech of Michelle Obama’s she gave.

Should we put her picture on a milk carton?

By the way, where’s that immigration speech Mr. Trump promised she’d give about her status?

Maybe Tim Kaine can ask Mike Pence to pass the message on at the VP debate.

freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 8:31:28pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

There’s a deep, deep need for a horse race.

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:31:35pm

Low stamina Hillary Clinton giving a stump speech at 11:30 after an hour and a half debate.

— Joe Sonka (@joesonka) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:31:46pm

Trump getting slaughtered in Luntz and CNN focus groups.

— Sam Seder (@SamSeder) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:31:55pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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I hate the media dude. Really? Clinton acted like a President. She offered intelligent answers and showed an understanding of the situation. Trump OTOH threw a tantrum.

MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 8:32:00pm

Hillary Clinton belongs in the White House. Donald Trump belongs on my show.

— Jerry Springer (@jerryspringer) September 27, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:32:08pm

Ford fact checks Trump: We will be here forever https://t.co/DICtMtJ8yg via @CNNMoney

— Sarah Wu (@sarahwuslp) September 27, 2016

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:32:21pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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Beating a dead horse race.

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:32:42pm

re: #61 jamesfirecat

Beating a dead horse race.

Yep, they want it so badly.

jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:07pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Yep, they want it so badly.

Beating off a dead horse race?

See folks this is why you’ll be glad when I’m not around again for a while!

Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:09pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a Business is attacking him now?

Belafon Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:31pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

She was the smartest person there. Don’t you just hate it when smart people stay smart?

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:31pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Beating off a dead horse race?

The horse race.

KingKenrod Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:42pm

Speaking of ads using Trump’s own words, Priorities USA released this ad earlier today.

Trump Train

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:52pm

In spin room, 1)Christie says “well, there’s always room for improvement,” and 2) Fox guy “probably didn’t move votes”
Translation: loss

— James Fallows (@JamesFallows) September 27, 2016

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Archangelus Sep 26, 2016 • 8:34:00pm

Hillary Clinton belongs in the White House. Donald Trump belongs on my show.

— Jerry Springer (@jerryspringer) September 27, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:01pm

For future reference:

Trump claims he never said that pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. Here he is saying it: https://t.co/Axr1g4yfSG

— Michelle Fields (@MichelleFields) September 27, 2016

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ObserverArt Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:32pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

That fat jerk in the mirror who is always making him look bad.

Donald Trump in Fight Club 2

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:36pm

Paying zero in taxes doesn’t make you “smart.”

It makes you a tax evader. https://t.co/rQ5YYVOe2q by @Larell718 via @c0nvey

— maria minerd (@mariaminerd) September 27, 2016

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:43pm

one possibility: @kurteichenwald @The_War_TARDIS pic.twitter.com/eIswCILyvD

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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Big Beautiful Door Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:45pm

62% of debate watchers polled by CNN said Clinton won the debate, 27% Trump.. The watchers skewed 12 points Democratic, so knock that extra 12 off its still 50-27

Charles Johnson Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:55pm

What was with all that sniffling Trump was doing? Nervous habit? Coming off a coke binge? Pneumonia?

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:36:06pm

re: #69 Archangelus

Please remember that unlike Donald Trump, @jerryspringer has actually held elected office.

— Sara Benincasa (@SaraJBenincasa) September 27, 2016

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MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 8:36:11pm

Oh boy.

Announcing now. Please share. There will be a massive #VegasDebate protest. We must take our country back. #debatenight

— dan rolle (@danrolle) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:36:22pm

re: #74 Big Beautiful Door

62% of debate watchers polled by CNN said Clinton won the debate, 27% Trump.. The watchers skewed 12 points Democratic, so knock that extra 12 off its still 50-27

That’s that 27% again.

Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 8:36:38pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Everybody who was predicting doom for Hillary tonight is now mumbling “Well, it probably didn’t help either of them…”

How fucking predictable.

teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 8:37:44pm

Hey ProLifeLiberal, I understand you voluntarily sat out the debate. Dude. The lulz were surreal.

sagehen Sep 26, 2016 • 8:37:53pm

I agree, @realDonaldTrump, that you should have tremendous stamina #debates pic.twitter.com/To5XYuLVBe

— Gov. Gary Johnson (@GovGaryJohnson) September 27, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:38:14pm

heh

Seems to me everybody questioning Trump’s incessant sniffling during #debatenight has forgotten this is his doctor. pic.twitter.com/KkP3PXzt79

— Gord Macey (@GordMacey) September 27, 2016

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 8:39:22pm

Worth noting: The broad bench of deeply qualified GOP candidates were unable to do what Hillary did to Trump tonight. #debatenight

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:39:25pm

On right wing talk radio in Boston, caller says Hillary must have known the questions in advance.

— Jeremy Hobson (@jeremyhobson) September 27, 2016

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:39:28pm

re: #81 sagehen

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On one hand, votesplitterdoesn’tmattersayswhat?

On the other, if that actually is him (sorry it’s just in that much snow gear it could be anybody not sure if he has a proven hiking hobby or not), you’ve got to respect him for going after Trump like that.

Lidane Sep 26, 2016 • 8:39:44pm

Jake Tapper haz a sad, y’all:

‘Why Are You Doing This?’: CNN’s Tapper Stunned by How ‘Off-Message’ Trump Got https://t.co/z3ErihnUra (VIDEO) #debatenight pic.twitter.com/svuHYCO7tT

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) September 27, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:39:58pm

“To be president ,you have to have tremendous stamina” — says the guy who has incoherently wheezed his way through the debate. #debatenight

— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:06pm

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:10pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart

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Or she you know prepared for the debate. The thing that “Mr. I think I’m too good for that” refused to do.

Brian J. Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:45pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

That’s that 27% again.

Probably not quite as good as that sounds, since it’s illegal to make unsolicited calls after 9 PM local, which restricts the available sample to the solidly Democratic Pacific Time Zone.

Tigger2 Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:46pm

Who won? Per CNN’s poll of debate watchers:

Clinton: 62%
Trump: 27% pic.twitter.com/y7RCwXxrhN

— Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) September 27, 2016

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sagehen Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:47pm

When it’s your turn to talk and you totally know the answer pic.twitter.com/dgR3LlUPXY

— Sarah Parnass (@WordsOfSarah) September 27, 2016

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:41:00pm

re: #88 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Go watch Sound of Music.

That’s my family’s tradition for what to deal with what you’re suffering from.

If nothing else it’ll pass three hours of time.

Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 8:41:24pm

KellyAnne on Fox. Says Donald was restraint for not bringing up Bill during debate.

How wonderful of him.

jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:41:28pm

re: #74 Big Beautiful Door

62% of debate watchers polled by CNN said Clinton won the debate, 27% Trump.. The watchers skewed 12 points Democratic, so knock that extra 12 off its still 50-27

It’s worrying that 27% or so of America has disconnected itself from external stimulus.

HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:41:37pm

re: #90 Brian J.

Probably not quite as good as that sounds, since it’s illegal to make unsolicited calls after 9 PM local, which restricts the available sample to the solidly Democratic Pacific Time Zone.

I know. I was being kind of tongue in cheek honestly.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:41:54pm

re: #93 jamesfirecat

Go watch Sound of Music.

That’s my family’s tradition for what to deal with what you’re suffering from.

If nothing else it’ll pass three hours of time.

The master bedroom is half cleaned. If I want to sleep tonight, I have to finish it.

Also I intend to hit the gym by 7:30 so I should finish it at a reasonable hour.

@nbcbayarea Photo of the fire from 1 S Market in San Jose roof. #LomaFire pic.twitter.com/bNUdbzRqod

— Ryan Elmore (@ElmoVT) September 27, 2016

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sagehen Sep 26, 2016 • 8:42:15pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

On one hand, votesplitterdoesn’tmattersayswhat?

On the other, if that actually is him (sorry it’s just in that much snow gear it could be anybody not sure if he has a proven hiking hobby or not), you’ve got to respect him for going after Trump like that.

It really is him, he’s climbed all the mountains.

Tigger2 Sep 26, 2016 • 8:42:24pm

re: #91 Tigger2

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Clinton made big strides with young voters tonight- they think she won the debate 63/24: https://t.co/WAAx3ReUsE

— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:42:26pm

re: #94 Jenner7

KellyAnne on Fox. Says Donald was restraint for not bringing up Bill during debate.

How wonderful of him.

If he ever does, she should bring up Trump’s own adultery if he wants to play that stupid game.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 8:42:47pm

.@chucktodd: #debatenight exposed Trump’s lack of preparation, but Clinton seemed over-prepared at times.

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) September 27, 2016

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The view from nowhere, perfected. https://t.co/AetoGzTEFS

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:42:59pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I know. I was being kind of tongue in cheek honestly.

My guess is that they had a pre-arranged group that had agreed to be surveyed, likely randomly selected earlier in the day where they could get a representative sample.

But. You know. Probably better to just assume they were cold-calling a ton of folks after the debate finished.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 26, 2016 • 8:43:10pm

Clinton said black men get jailed for things on which white men skate.

Trump bragged about doing what Wesley Snipes went to jail for doing.

— Amos Posner (@AmosPosner) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:43:33pm

re: #99 Tigger2

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Now they just need to vote for her.

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:43:51pm

re: #98 sagehen

It really is him, he’s climbed all the mountains.

So you’re saying if Aleppo was just a bit more elevated he might have heard of it…

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:44:33pm

re: #102 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My guess is that they had a pre-arranged group that had agreed to be surveyed, likely randomly selected earlier in the day where they could get a representative sample.

But. You know. Probably better to just assume they were cold-calling a ton of folks after the debate finished.

Yeah that would make sense to me.

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VegasGolfer Sep 26, 2016 • 8:44:36pm

re: #77 MsJ

Oh boy.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 8:44:41pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Parents were watching it downstairs, so I heard enough of it.

Tumblr had some good responses. Someone I follow compared to Trump to an Orange Skittle, which I found to be an insult to Orange Skittles.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:06pm

Was Hillary TOO presidential? We go LIVE to our focus group of brain dead hobgoblins for the answer to that & other fuck-knuckle questions.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:21pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

Parents were watching it downstairs, so I heard enough of it.

Tumblr had some good responses. Someone I follow compared to Trump to an Orange Skittle, which I found to be an insult to Orange Skittles.

Orange skittles actually have a use. HappyWarrior’s fact check calls this Pants on fire.

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:33pm

BRB

Gonna go outside and smoke a doobie - legal cannabis I bought at a store.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:40pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Yeah that would make sense to me.

Seems to be how Public Policy does it:

Public Policy Polling surveyed 1,002 debate watchers, who had been pre-screened as planning to watch the debate and willing to answer a poll immediately after the debate about their thoughts, on September 26th.

From here.

Half of PPP’s 1,000 debate watchers said the debate showed Trump is not prepared to be president https://t.co/j3tLc7f0H6 pic.twitter.com/fgGt32W41H

— Christopher Ingraham (@_cingraham) September 27, 2016

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Tigger2 Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:40pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Now they just need to vote for her.

I hope Bernie and the Obama’s can help on that.

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:51pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

Parents were watching it downstairs, so I heard enough of it.

Tumblr had some good responses. Someone I follow compared to Trump to an Orange Skittle, which I found to be an insult to Orange Skittles.

Hey, nice to see you, and glad to know that I’m still thought fondly of in these parts.

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:46:09pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

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Seriously, that shit is too weird. It’s like criticizing someone who prepared strongly for their final exams. No respect at all for Todd. He fails so much at basic common sense.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:46:09pm

A good point. In GOP debates Trump just had to be center of attention. Others had to sell themselves. And. in a group Trump’s bullying temperament gets watered down by multiple targets.

Smart point: Clinton beat Trump partly by wearing him down over 90 mins, 1 on 1, which no one else had chance to dohttps://t.co/kr6TCUqOqV

— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) September 27, 2016

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I dare to say…Jeb…Marco… any of those guys who aren’t villians (CRUZ or Christie) w/a 1on1 debate woulda beat him w/an hour & a half

— Nicholas Everhart (@NICHOLASEVRHART) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:46:30pm

re: #112 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Seems to be how Public Policy does it:

From here.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 8:46:47pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I like skittles, especially the Green and Orange ones.

I told her to apologize to the skittles.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:03pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Fun fact: 42% of the people who watched that debate think that Donald Trump can be trusted with nuclear weapons.

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mr.fusion Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:10pm

*cybersniff* pic.twitter.com/0fzb4KlRO5

— Trump Sniff (@TrumpSniff) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:17pm

re: #118 Ziggy_TARDIS

I like skittles, especially the Green and Orange ones.

I told her to apologize to the skittles.

I like the tropical and berry flavored. The original aren’t bad either.

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:37pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fun fact: 42% of the people who watched that debate think that Donald Trump can be trusted with nuclear weapons.

That’s scary.

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Charles Johnson Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:57pm

Speak for yourself. @acroll @jashsf

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 27, 2016

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MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 8:48:25pm

Jesus Fecking Christ.

Fox News commentator: Trump looked “annoyed, put out, uncomfortable,” Clinton looked “composed, smug sometimes, not necessarily attractive” pic.twitter.com/OJFxdw4Ver

— Mashable News (@MashableNews) September 27, 2016

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mashable.com

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BlueGrl21 Sep 26, 2016 • 8:48:56pm

I am so fucking proud of her.

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jamesfirecat Sep 26, 2016 • 8:49:27pm

Anyway I hate to say it, but it is almost midnight here, so I need to get some sleep due to my bad commute requiring me to wake up early, see you guys later!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Sep 26, 2016 • 8:49:31pm

re: #118 Ziggy_TARDIS

I like skittles, especially the Green and Orange ones.

I told her to apologize to the skittles.

i used to like the green one when they were lime flavored. Now they are apple and ok.

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:49:49pm

re: #124 MsJ

Jesus Fecking Christ.

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In short, she looked like someone who knew what she was doing, what an awful bitch. // When Reagan said “There you go again” to Carter, they thought ti was the greatest thing but don’t Hillary dare be bemused by Trump’s complete lack of qualification for the job and proving it on television.

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Belafon Sep 26, 2016 • 8:49:55pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

@MeetThePress @chucktodd I have never heard of overprepared being a bad thing. Kind of like why we have a large military.

— ()(Lonnie Mask)() (@LonnieMask) September 27, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 8:50:00pm

re: #127 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I like both Lime and Apple. :)

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Single-handed sailor Sep 26, 2016 • 8:50:11pm

re: #95 jaunte

It’s worrying that 27% or so of America has disconnected itself from external stimulus.

There’s that damn 27% again.

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KingKenrod Sep 26, 2016 • 8:50:51pm

re: #124 MsJ

Jesus Fecking Christ.

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Brit Hume, by the sound of it.

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:50:52pm

re: #129 Belafon

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 8:51:23pm

On twitter, Trump is taking a train wreck of a night, killing survivors, pouring gasoline on the remaining wreckage and throwing in a match.

— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 8:51:50pm

re: #134 Kragar

OH MAN does that mean he’s gotten his hands on his phone?

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:52:26pm

re: #132 KingKenrod

Brit Hume, by the sound of it.

I thought I saw a tweet earlier, citing Hume for the remark

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 8:53:05pm

I love Trump supporters saying that Democrats aren’t playing nice. You racist shitheels are adorable.

— The Rude Pundit (@rudepundit) September 27, 2016

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 8:53:35pm

KellyAnne on CNN, VERY defensive. haha.

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:54:12pm

re: #138 Jenner7

KellyAnne on CNN, VERY defensive. haha.

I don’t feel bad for her at all. She signed onto to this dumpster.

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Lidane Sep 26, 2016 • 8:54:13pm

Hillary Clinton belongs in the White House. Donald Trump belongs on my show.

— Jerry Springer (@jerryspringer) September 27, 2016

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Charles Johnson Sep 26, 2016 • 8:55:04pm

WTF. Seriously. WTF. “Over-prepared?” @MeetThePress @chucktodd https://t.co/3e6v8kqmWA

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 27, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 8:55:26pm

Trump logic, always start off with an easily refutable statement…

Russia has more warheads than ever, N Korea is testing nukes, and Iran got a sweetheart deal to keep theirs. Thanks, @HillaryClinton.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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Belafon Sep 26, 2016 • 8:55:50pm

re: #116 FormerDirtDart

A good point. In GOP debates Trump just had to be center of attention. Others had to sell themselves. And. in a group Trump’s bullying temperament gets watered down by multiple targets.

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:56:16pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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It’s even worse when we know that Trump didn’t even prepare. Really proves what many people say about the media trying to both sides everything. If she prepared heavily for this debate, kudos to her, that to me shows that she takes the job she’s applying for seriously.

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dangerman Sep 26, 2016 • 8:57:50pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

It’s even worse when we know that Trump didn’t even prepare. Really proves what many people say about the media trying to both sides everything. If she prepared heavily for this debate, kudos to her, that to me shows that she takes the job she’s applying for seriously.

Wait for the…he could’ve won if he did his homework. Just imagine if he was prepared!

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Lidane Sep 26, 2016 • 8:57:56pm

Sharks are apex predators for a reason. This is hilarious:

Mark Cuban: Trump took my “bait” on claiming a front-row seat https://t.co/WGRHhngDJq #DebateNight https://t.co/zFmXeAwVu1

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 26, 2016 • 8:58:04pm

Anyhow, I feel a lot better than I did earlier. I think Clinton’s going to gain some positive momentum from this.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 26, 2016 • 8:58:10pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

At least so far.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 8:58:33pm

Sam Wang called Chuck Todd’s tweet “foolishness.”

Since I am pretty certain that Academics usually speak in measured, pragmatic ways, I think this can be translated as Wang calling Todd an irredeemable fuckwit.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 26, 2016 • 8:58:57pm

re: #145 dangerman

Wait for the…he could’ve won if he did his homework. Just imagine if he was prepared!

Conventional wisdom was that the “Trump isn’t preparing” was a rope-a-dope.

Turns out, he was just a dope.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 8:59:29pm

Nothing on emails. Nothing on the corrupt Clinton Foundation. And nothing on #Benghazi. #Debates2016 #debatenight

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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Its like the debate only focused on actual campaign issues. https://t.co/iTvxfmszAG

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 8:59:51pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fun fact: 42% of the people who watched that debate think that Donald Trump can be trusted with nuclear weapons.

42% is the new Crazification Factor.

Enjoy your nightmare fuel.

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Joe Bacon Sep 26, 2016 • 8:59:51pm

I got a feeling Trump is not going to do any more debates with Hillary. He’ll demand that the next debate include Jill Stein and Gary Johnson and when The Commission says no he will use that as an excuse to back out.

He needs to remember what happened when Jimmy Carter backed out of debating Reagan and the first debate was between Anderson and Reagan.

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Snarknado! Sep 26, 2016 • 9:00:05pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Melania looks like she’s not looking forward to going home with donald tonight.

I’m actually a bit worried about her, after the shellacking he got from Hillary.

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dangerman Sep 26, 2016 • 9:00:51pm

re: #151 Kragar

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TedStriker Sep 26, 2016 • 9:02:51pm

re: #76 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:03:19pm

!!!! In the spin room, Trump told reporters that he had a defective mic: “I wonder. Was that on purpose? Was that on purpose?” pic.twitter.com/thKq6Sj1sF

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) September 27, 2016

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philosophus invidius Sep 26, 2016 • 9:03:24pm

re: #150 A wild WITHAK appeared!

He didn’t even mention “deplorables.” Big mistake.

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Tigger2 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:04:13pm

Getting a head start on my 2016 tax return now that the debate is over #debates pic.twitter.com/DIysU90zwF

— Ben Hartman (@Benhartman) September 27, 2016

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ObserverArt Sep 26, 2016 • 9:04:28pm

re: #120 mr.fusion

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:05:34pm

Top GOP operative >>> https://t.co/Zjs4hQvzMH

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 27, 2016

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True story - my Dad’s company was stiffed by Trump on a six figure telecom job in the 1980’s. Trump told them it would cost more to sue him.

— Brian Walsh (@brianjameswalsh) September 27, 2016

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calochortus Sep 26, 2016 • 9:05:36pm

re: #160 ObserverArt

It was unfair, they had his mic cranked just to pick up on the snorting! /

Do not laugh. I actually saw that from a wingnut.

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MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 9:05:59pm

re: #132 KingKenrod

Brit Hume, by the sound of it.

Yup. It was Hume.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 26, 2016 • 9:06:14pm

GO look at @RadioFreeTom’s Twitter feed-he hates Hillary but he’s also a #NeverTrump member.

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KGxvi Sep 26, 2016 • 9:06:24pm

At some point, some pundit is going to mention that the crowd wasn’t laughing with Trump, they were laughing at him. And that will cause Trump’s ultimate meltdown.

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MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 9:06:26pm

re: #135 klys (maker of Silmarils)

OH MAN does that mean he’s gotten his hands on his phone?

No. I just checked. Bummer. Free Donald’s phone!

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philosophus invidius Sep 26, 2016 • 9:07:25pm

Cruz said “Tonight Donald Trump had his strongest debate performance of the election cycle.” If so, then imagine how badly she would have crushed Lyin’ Ted!

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 9:07:30pm

Kellyanne Conway now on MSNBC, tying herself firmly to the sinking ship.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:07:55pm

@BooMan23 @HGTomato Cocaine.

— Jay Kay (@Joe_Kohlman) September 27, 2016

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See, meth would have lasted the whole two hours. Big mistake on Trump’s part. https://t.co/gRhx5K4wxS

— Martin Longman (@BooMan23) September 27, 2016

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Lidane Sep 26, 2016 • 9:09:09pm

re: #164 Eric The Fruit Bat

GO look at @RadioFreeTom’s Twitter feed-he hates Hillary but he’s also a #NeverTrump member.

I can’t stand Hillary. But if you don’t get that she cleaned the floor with Trump and his “hair,” you’re engaging in fantasy, not analysis.

— John Schindler (@20committee) September 27, 2016

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 26, 2016 • 9:09:12pm

MATTHEWS: “Nobody buys this audit thing.”

KELLYANNE CONWAY: “Some people do.”

— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) September 27, 2016

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:09:50pm

Here’s where Trump wonders if he was purposely given a defective microphone: https://t.co/p5E0Mw6XGu

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) September 27, 2016

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Belafon Sep 26, 2016 • 9:09:57pm

re: #162 calochortus

Do not laugh. I actually saw that from a wingnut.

I think the appropriate response is to laugh louder.

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:10:23pm

KellyAnne: Trump can’t be responsible for things he said on Howard Stern as a private citizen.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 26, 2016 • 9:10:30pm

re: #81 sagehen

@GovGaryJohnson @realDonaldTrump was that taken in Aleppo?

— efuseakay (@efuseakay) September 27, 2016

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whitebeach Sep 26, 2016 • 9:11:00pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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“Peyton Manning overprepared for every game he ever played?”

“Seal Team 6 overprepared for bin Laden mission.”

“My personal doctor overprepared for years in med school.”

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 9:11:51pm

Mark Cuban temporarily hospitalized for uncontrollable giggling.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:12:21pm

.@HillaryClinton was interrupted 70 times during the first presidential debate. @realDonaldTrump was only interrupted 47 times. #DebateNight pic.twitter.com/QmFTwM63Bk

— Vox (@voxdotcom) September 27, 2016

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 26, 2016 • 9:12:52pm

re: #177 jaunte

Mark Cuban temporarily hospitalized for uncontrollable giggling.

I totally forgot about Cuban. Funny how that didn’t come up at all given all the media scrutiny it got.

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ObserverArt Sep 26, 2016 • 9:13:27pm

re: #162 calochortus

Do not laugh. I actually saw that from a wingnut.

Well of course. Expert no less!

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 9:13:39pm

re: #179 A wild WITHAK appeared!

What was he doing during the debate?

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:14:11pm

They are paving the way to get out of the next debate.

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MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 9:14:17pm

Rosie O’Donnell

https://t.co/EvxYa7A4bL —- the 5 mins orange anus can’t seem to get over —- tell the truth - shame the donald #ImWithHer

— Rosie (@Rosie) September 27, 2016

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@eli_shahar @JoeSudbay - as it would have been an honor to be named on Nixons enemies list -

— Rosie (@Rosie) September 27, 2016

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 9:14:28pm

A farker’s response to tonight’s debate:

Jesus Congress will be justified in impeaching Clinton when she gets in office because she is murdering a man on live television.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 26, 2016 • 9:15:00pm

re: #181 Ziggy_TARDIS

What was he doing during the debate?

Laughing his ass off? He was never on screen, AFAIK, and as it should be.

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danarchy Sep 26, 2016 • 9:15:43pm

re: #181 Ziggy_TARDIS

What was he doing during the debate?

Nothing, he was sitting in the audience with his daughter(not the front row)

He did do several interviews afterward

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 9:15:45pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

That’s Fark for you!

Headline there….

Ex-Syrian intelligence officer may be hiding in Florida. I think we can scratch off the ‘intelligence’ part

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ObserverArt Sep 26, 2016 • 9:16:13pm

re: #174 Jenner7

KellyAnne: Trump can’t be responsible for things he said on Howard Stern as a private citizen.

Kellyanne is on the Trump Rack…s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g the truth. She’ll be 6’ 5” by morning.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:16:57pm

I get what CNN was going for with this headline, but they framed Trump and Clinton completely backwards. pic.twitter.com/EI743vCtBC

— Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 9:17:23pm

While the rest of us are freaking out about the debate Obama is in full “I don’t give a fuck” mode pic.twitter.com/eFZQEx1VIZ

— Sal Gentile (@salgentile) September 26, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 9:17:59pm

re: #190 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Meanwhile, for something completely different….

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Belafon Sep 26, 2016 • 9:18:03pm

I hope Republicans like Ryan and McConnell take note of what Cuban represents: she may not leave a horse’s head in your bed, but she isn’t afraid of making you uncomfortable.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:19:29pm

.@realDonaldTrump tells reporters: “I thought it was a very fair debate. The polls are all saying we won!” #FoxNews2016 pic.twitter.com/O8HdTyI4pD

— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 27, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 9:20:50pm

Don’t be that guy. @Nash076 @tara_atrandom #RDA #WTFIWWY pic.twitter.com/8RZdxrAAb5

— Tiberius Shea (@BattleTrek47) September 27, 2016

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MsJ Sep 26, 2016 • 9:21:11pm

Only 38% of women think Donald Trump is prepared to be President, 56% say he is not

— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) September 27, 2016

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BeachDem Sep 26, 2016 • 9:21:34pm

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Just like the winner he is.

Damn, Melania’s first night out in months, and they’re skipping the party. Why were they having the party in Suffolk County when Hofstra is in Nassau County?

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:22:21pm

I despise her silly lefty domestic policy and the class war tropes, but it’s all too clear that of these two only HRC is ready to be POTUS.

— mike murphy (@murphymike) September 27, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 9:24:10pm

re: #90 Brian J.

Probably not quite as good as that sounds, since it’s illegal to make unsolicited calls after 9 PM local, which restricts the available sample to the solidly Democratic Pacific Time Zone.

Not entirely, there is also the mostly Republican Central Time Zone and the solidly Republican mythical Mountain Time Zone I live in.

No one called me though. I have never gotten a political pollster’s call in my life.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:25:11pm

I would expect nothing less…

Trump Adviser Roger Stone Claims Clinton Was Placed On An “Oxygen Tank” Immediately After Presidential Debate https://t.co/Y6btwqOqmd

— Timothy Johnson (@timothywjohnson) September 27, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 9:26:12pm

Chuck Todd says ‘American public’ might be tonight’s big loser. #Decision2016 #debatenight https://t.co/yKuD6kyVyO

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) September 27, 2016

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Chuck Todd is such a fucking wanker.

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Charles Johnson Sep 26, 2016 • 9:26:15pm

After all Trump’s bashing of Hillary for lacking stamina, she came out of this looking strong and fresh as a daisy… /1

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 27, 2016

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And Trump ended up tired, disoriented, incoherent and rambling. We know now who really has stamina… And who doesn’t. /2

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 9:27:40pm

re: #200 FormerDirtDart

STONE: I spoke to a Secret Service agent today by phone who does not want to be identified who tells me that he is virtually certain she has some advanced form of epilepsy. I don’t know, I’m not a medical doctor. But I am intelligent enough to know that she is not well and Trump is exactly right she lacks the stamina or the mental acuity or the balance to be president of the United States.

Ah, the secret informant! Clowns.

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 9:28:22pm

Trump failed to reach the absurdly low bar set, Hillary came off looking presidential rather than sickly or angry, so of course the whole debate is a wash in the eyes of the media. The horse race must continue!

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 26, 2016 • 9:30:11pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

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That’s stamina!

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 9:31:04pm

The Regurgitant is in “both sides” mode, as it sounds like they want to take their ball home and play by themselves.

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LoonRadio Sep 26, 2016 • 9:31:57pm

I liked how Mr. Trump stood aimlessly on the stage while Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea worked the crowd.

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 9:32:14pm

I asked Trump if he pays federal income tax now. He dodged. pic.twitter.com/X71jIbz6hl

— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) September 27, 2016

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philosophus invidius Sep 26, 2016 • 9:33:31pm

At end of night, Hillary Clinton’s #POTUS rating has moved up from 64pc to 69pc. Trump down from 35pc to 31pc https://t.co/T65JhC4pgD

— Betfair Exchange (@BetfairExchange) September 27, 2016

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Shiplord Kirel Sep 26, 2016 • 9:33:35pm

With Trump’s disastrous debate performance, we have just passed peak wingnut.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 9:34:18pm

Trump surrogates prepare for the next debate pic.twitter.com/9hZRlpB1Na

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 9:36:03pm

I really do wonder who is gonna be the first to breach their NDA after this shitshow meets its end in November and spills the beans about just how hilariously bad Trump was at campaigning. The inevitable tell-all books are gonna be an absolute joy to read.

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:36:12pm

Wow, did great in the debate polls (except for @CNN - which I don’t watch). Thank you!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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Here we go….

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calochortus Sep 26, 2016 • 9:36:48pm

Sleep well, Lizards. Hasta mañana.

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Tigger2 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:37:06pm

re: #201 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Chuck Todd is such a fucking wanker.

@MeetThePress But you are a big loser every day Chuck.

— jim (@jlcoffeecup) September 27, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 9:38:08pm

re: #203 jaunte

Ah, the secret informant! Clowns.

I am getting really tired of this “epilepsy” nonsense from the Reich wing.

a) she doesn’t have epilepsy
b) epilepsy is not a bar to public office (ask Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, who has epilepsy).
c) at least in my town, that epilepsy trope is not helping Donald Trump, since my town knows I have epilepsy and have served on my town board since 2012.

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 9:38:12pm

I was wondering why my Twitter mentions is on crack right now.

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 9:39:24pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel

With Trump’s disastrous debate performance, we have just passed peak wingnut.

There is no such thing as peak wingnut.

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 9:39:44pm

Wow, did great in the debate polls (except for @CNN - which I don’t watch). Thank you!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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I think self-congratulations are in order!

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KGxvi Sep 26, 2016 • 9:39:59pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel

With Trump’s disastrous debate performance, we have just passed peak wingnut.

Peak wingnut was a lie. We are staring into the wingularity.

And it is staring back at us.

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:40:46pm

Ladies and gentleman, Donald J. Trump! https://t.co/b6cFzyQBFr

— (((Joshua Malina))) (@JoshMalina) September 27, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 9:41:38pm

re: #220 KGxvi

Peak wingnut was a lie. We are staring into the wingularity.

And it is staring back at us.

Is that a naked wingularity, or does it follow the no-hair theorem?

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Tigger2 Sep 26, 2016 • 9:44:00pm

It will be interesting to see how Morning Joe tries to spin the debate

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 9:44:01pm

.@realDonaldTrump needs to think long and hard about the moderator before participating in another debate. #Debates2016

— Rudolph Giuliani (@rudygiulianiGOP) September 27, 2016

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Yes, THAT’s why he lost, the moderator. Not all the cocaine sniffles, interrupting and unhinged lunacy. Keep telling yourselves that. https://t.co/T3CWzOgkj5

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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Snarknado! Sep 26, 2016 • 9:46:00pm

re: #216 Anymouse

I am getting really tired of this “epilepsy” nonsense from the Reich wing.

a) she doesn’t have epilepsy
b) epilepsy is not a bar to public office (ask Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, who has epilepsy).
c) at least in my town, that epilepsy trope is not helping Donald Trump, since my town knows I have epilepsy and have served on my town board since 2012.

They don’t know or care what epilepsy is. It just sounds alarming, so they use it. Anyway, I heard on good authority today (a tabloid in a supermarket line) that she in fact has lung cancer, so there. (And that 103 pounds she gained, according to an earlier issue, surely isn’t helping things.)

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jaunte Sep 26, 2016 • 9:48:37pm

“A very good night for Donald Trump,” Sean Hannity says.

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) September 27, 2016

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Great Leader Tamed Lion With Bare Hands https://t.co/s1gcZr0NMB

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 27, 2016

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KGxvi Sep 26, 2016 • 9:49:36pm

re: #222 Anymouse

Is that a naked wingularity, or does it follow the no-hair theorem?

The official definition of Wingularity from Balloon Juice, where we coined the term a few years back:

the point at which the insanity from the far right and those controlling the Republican Party [continues] to grow exponentially until it reaches an unsustainable weight and collapses upon itself. This is also known as the Purity Spiral, wherein the density of wingnut increases compared to mainstream conservatives to the point of pure wingnut. As the ratio rises, this creates a phenomenon wherein no logic or sanity can penetrate or escape. When rightwing argument has become completely inaccessible to the uninitiated, it has reached the Wingularity

I believe there was also some talk about general and special theories of the wingularity, but I’m not sure they were ever codified.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 9:51:19pm

re: #226 jaunte

This is good news for John McCain https://t.co/ctM5vjqr5e

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 26, 2016 • 9:52:00pm

Classes are over, and so is the debate. I did catch about 15 minutes of it, because the teacher across the hall had the CBS live stream running in the language lab computers. Clinton was hammering Trump on how many workers he had stiffed, and he responded with some BS about using the laws of the land to do something something. It was clear just from that exchange that Clinton already had Trump on the ropes by 9:45 and he was just swinging wildly and not connecting.

I may watch the whole thing later just to savor the fight.

Go, Hillary!

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KGxvi Sep 26, 2016 • 9:52:31pm

I don’t know what to make of this:

I’m not positive Hillary actually won the debate. But I’m sure Trump lost it. He choked.

That is from Bill fucking Kristol.

Bill “always wrong” Kristol.

Bill “always fucking wrong” Kristol.

Someone check to see if the seventh seal has been broken.

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whitebeach Sep 26, 2016 • 9:55:17pm

By the end of the evening, Trump seemed like a groaning tired old man with weird makeup, fairly serious facial neuropathy, a Swiss cheese memory, and a tendency to shout at kids riding bikes on his street.

Hillary looked like she’d just stepped out of a limo after a full night’s sleep and a nice breakfast.

Which made the Donald’s yammering about “stamina” sound particularly bizarre.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 9:55:29pm

When your campaign manager accidentally spills the beans about your abuse… er… “record on women” pic.twitter.com/Fd38NxH2VG

— CAFE (@cafedotcom) September 27, 2016

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I’m tellin’ all o’ y’all its a SABOTAGE!!! https://t.co/mQHluqa7ge

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 9:57:29pm

You can tell that there were newsrooms across the country with people hoping and praying that the next minute of the debate would bring a coughing fit from Hillary that sealed the “She’s dying!” storyline.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 9:58:42pm

re: #231 whitebeach

By the end of the evening, Trump seemed like a groaning tired old man with weird makeup, fairly serious facial neuropathy, a Swiss cheese memory, and a tendency to shout at kids riding bikes on his street.

Hillary looked like she’d just stepped out of a limo after a full night’s sleep and a nice breakfast.

Which made the Donald’s yammering about “stamina” sound particularly bizarre.

The coke wore off.

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 9:59:05pm

re: #225 Snarknado!

They don’t know or care what epilepsy is. It just sounds alarming, so they use it. Anyway, I heard on good authority today (a tabloid in a supermarket line) that she in fact has lung cancer, so there. (And that 103 pounds she gained, according to an earlier issue, surely isn’t helping things.)

OT: I just opened the packages of medication I received in the mail today from the VA. Included were two different migraine medications. (One made in China. Really.)

I’m lost here on why they sent me two different medications, so I am going to have to call the VA clinic tomorrow to ask them about that.

In the meantime, I am about to call the refill line to refill my scary epilepsy medications … brb

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 9:59:06pm

Can’t imagine it’s a good statement about how a party thinks its candidate did if it wants to talk about stuff that didn’t occur https://t.co/rhmqad1f0H

— Dina Bass (@dinabass) September 27, 2016

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Headline of RNC press release: “Top 10 Things Clinton Was Not Asked During The Debate”

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) September 27, 2016

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 9:59:23pm

A *hundred* RTs ??? In such a short amount of time?

This shit might get to a thousand. Then I’ll start freaking out.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 10:00:06pm

“So, debate prep time…” @smoothkobra pic.twitter.com/SEzHcUY17p

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 10:03:15pm

Honestly, as one who has suffered allergies/hay fever for a lifetime and is even now sniffing from a cold, Trump’s sniffing was neither. It was dry sniffing. It was nasal irritation sniffing that was most severe for the first 20 minutes or so then diminished. The guy snorted something.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 26, 2016 • 10:05:45pm

re: #239 allegro

Now all we need is a guy who snorted something to verify that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 26, 2016 • 10:05:52pm

re: #120 mr.fusion

I’m sure someone can autotune this to an appropriate melody.

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whitebeach Sep 26, 2016 • 10:05:52pm

re: #234 allegro

The coke wore off.

Nah, that’s what they’d like you to think. Actually, all that snorting and heavy makeup was because Trump has antibiotic-resistant TB, which he contracted while undergoing treatment for herpes in a really beautiful Mexican clinic, and won’t last much longer. One of his top assistants, who asked to remain anonymous, told me. Pass it along.

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austin_blue Sep 26, 2016 • 10:07:15pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 10:07:34pm

Ugh. Weirdos are showing up. Twitter can be pretty fucking weird.

@Howl131 OK. Well, sounds like you’re ready for the coming apocalypse, seeing as you’re retired NYPD. May the bloodshed be swift. Godspeed.

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) September 27, 2016

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 10:18:18pm

this… this… this was supposed to be a parody 😭 pic.twitter.com/vUc8SlXQZZ

— sailor mercury (@sailorhg) September 27, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 26, 2016 • 10:19:41pm

re: #244 teleskiguy

Ugh. Weirdos are showing up. Twitter can be pretty fucking weird.

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Jenner7 Sep 26, 2016 • 10:21:04pm

washingtonpost.com

Here’s a transcript of tonight’s debate.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 10:21:27pm

I’ve developed a fondness for drinking half-and-half straight.

This is probably not good for my waistline.

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 10:24:37pm

After days of snickering about how the Clinton campaign wanted the moderators to fact-check, their nominee even openly suggesting that there was no need for a moderator, suddenly the GOP’s all angry that the moderator didn’t help out their nominee by questioning Hillary on topics that they figured they could trip her up on.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 10:25:33pm

re: #248 freetoken

I’ve developed a fondness for drinking half-and-half straight.

This is probably not good for my waistline.

Add a dash of sugar and splash of vanilla and call it ice cream of the melted kind.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 10:25:53pm

“Call Hannity.” pic.twitter.com/Bo4zqwwtUs

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 10:26:29pm

LOL, look the story headline. Look at these ads: https://t.co/2sgroAWPRu pic.twitter.com/vwKK6pE5MY

— andrew kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 27, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 10:27:06pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

After days of snickering about how the Clinton campaign wanted the moderators to fact-check, their nominee even openly suggesting that there was no need for a moderator, suddenly the GOP’s all angry that the moderator didn’t help out their nominee by questioning Hillary on topics that they figured they could trip her up on.

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican, including changing your talking point a week after you put it out.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 10:28:50pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 26, 2016 • 10:29:46pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 10:30:32pm

Cory Lewandowksi just conceded that Trump lost the debate.

Corey.

Lewandowski.

— Jeff Moss (@JeffMossDSR) September 27, 2016

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 10:30:35pm

ISN’T IT OBVIOUS, YOU FUCKING ZOMBIES?!? WHY CAN’T YOU SEE THE FUCKING GODDAMNED TRUTH?!?

give Hillary a blood test & see what she’s on tonight. Slow blinking of eyes, dazed look. She has yelled at every campaign stop #debatenight

— MommaB (@WatersBgwaters2) September 27, 2016

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 10:30:50pm

So the ‘Keepin’ It 1600’ crew took up @realDonaldTrump on his plea to call Sean Hannity… #debatenight #debates2016 pic.twitter.com/2qf2QoTflC

— The Ringer (@ringer) September 27, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 10:33:00pm

wonkette.com

Iowa Representative Steve King (R) goes full fascist. (With tweet including “cultural suicide” to a German far-right politician and Geert Wilders)

So Rep. Steve King is wishing this far-right person Frauke Petry in Germany a good vote so she can go on to represent all the people who actually want German Polizei to shoot people illegally crossing Germany’s borders, as one does. (He’s also been retweeting some nice fellas’ description of Geert Wilders and Nigel Farage and Viktor Orban and Marine LePen as “strong leaders,” which is also as one does, when one loves fascism. He’s really only missing the “strong leaders” Golden Dawn and that Nordic asshole who murdered all the kids at summer camp and then bitched he didn’t get the newest video games in prison. Yes, we are talking about Julian Assange!)

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Ace-o-aces Sep 26, 2016 • 10:33:13pm

Really? Does @HillaryClinton run your youtube channel? @RealAlexJones https://t.co/kAnPK6LRIm

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) September 27, 2016

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 10:35:55pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

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Rudy helping set the stage for Trump ducking the remaining debates. “The media isn’t playing nice!” is going to be the excuse.

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 10:36:40pm

A response to the Skittles trope:

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 10:37:28pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

ISN’T IT OBVIOUS, YOU FUCKING ZOMBIES?!? WHY CAN’T YOU SEE THE FUCKING GODDAMNED TRUTH?!?

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austin_blue Sep 26, 2016 • 10:40:08pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

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His abuse.. ahhh.. record on women.

Hoo boy.

That’s not a Freudian slip, that was Freudian bloomers!

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 10:41:51pm

pic.twitter.com/di12mijv1L

— Xeni Jardin (@xeni) September 27, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 10:43:11pm

Voting for Jill Stein isn’t throwing your vote away. It’s pretending that you’re recycling it but dropping it into the vast abyss instead.

— Susan Burke (@ThatSusanBurke) September 27, 2016

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nines09 Sep 26, 2016 • 10:47:14pm

Thank you! CNBC #DebateNight poll with over 400,000 votes.
Trump 61%
Clinton 39%#AmericaFirst #ImWithYou https://t.co/c8rB0iSj7c pic.twitter.com/lgu6tOkYCP

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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Looks like someone scored an eight ball.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 26, 2016 • 10:47:25pm

Alicia Machado on the pig who is Donald Trump:

This is a good video pic.twitter.com/ovHzMa7HZd

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 27, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 26, 2016 • 10:48:35pm

There was a moment, when Trump was blathering on about something, clearly lost in his own ego and defensiveness, that Clinton, who had been looking at him, or the audience, or the moderator, looked RIGHT AT the camera.

It was magic.

Of course, the candidates usually look at the camera to deliver their openings and closings, but this was the first time I’ve ever seen a candidate do that, to connect with the audience during the reaction part.

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 10:48:40pm

re: #267 nines09

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Looks like someone scored an eight ball.

They only voted for Trump because Ron Paul wasn’t an option.

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austin_blue Sep 26, 2016 • 10:48:53pm

re: #244 teleskiguy

Ugh. Weirdos are showing up. Twitter can be pretty fucking weird.

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First off, it wasn’t an Embassy. The Embassy was in Tripoli. Second, they didn’t get any weapons because the attack was ultimately unsuccessful and several security personnel survived, in addition to which the attackers had plenty of their own. Benghazi, and Libya in general, was a 2nd Amendment/NRA member’s wet dream of Paradise. Third after the attack, folks from Benghazi took the Ambassador and the others to the hospital.

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Snarknado! Sep 26, 2016 • 10:49:42pm

re: #267 nines09

Online poll?

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nines09 Sep 26, 2016 • 10:51:18pm

re: #272 Snarknado!

Online poll?

Who knows? Made up? Coloring book? Cut Don a fattie.

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 10:52:30pm

This is YUGE! The Donald™ does tremendous polling on the Cyber. This is why were in the middle of a second Ron Paul term. https://t.co/HsYfcxnGeM

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) September 27, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 26, 2016 • 10:53:47pm

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Alicia Machado on the pig who is Donald Trump:

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And on what she plans to do:

I received my passport ! I’m ready to vote For my country for you @HillaryClinton for my daughter For women workers pic.twitter.com/U5lSwWxiHc

— Alicia Machado (@machadooficial) September 27, 2016

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 10:54:12pm

Maybe it’s just me… but cyber to me means online sex. Yanno AOL chat room days. Just something I heard about.

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austin_blue Sep 26, 2016 • 10:54:42pm

re: #267 nines09

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Looks like someone scored an eight ball.

Late night Russians were veerrry busy voting tonight.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 26, 2016 • 10:56:24pm

re: #276 allegro

Maybe it’s just me… but cyber to me means online sex. Yanno AOL chat room days. Just something I heard about.

CSI: Cyber

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nines09 Sep 26, 2016 • 10:58:43pm

Well Don must have his freeze on. The Tweets are just flying off his tiny frantic fingers. He might do this all night if they get another oz.

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Sherlock Hound Sep 26, 2016 • 10:58:43pm

Am I the only one to imagine Nana Hillary’s appearance at little Charlotte’s birthday would be funny and very human?

Scene at Charlotte’s birthday: Hillary: “Yes, Nana told off the bad man Trump!” Charlotte: “Nana told bad Trump!” (Trans. “I know, rite!”) https://t.co/JtQ5n9XnJA

— David Moisan (@dmoisan) September 27, 2016

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 11:00:13pm

So when do we hear the next debate is cancelled?

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Dr Lizardo Sep 26, 2016 • 11:02:41pm

re: #281 allegro

So when do we hear the next debate is cancelled?

In the next week or two. And it will be Trump saying he won’t participate because the media is out to get him or some such bullshit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 11:03:46pm

re: #277 austin_blue

Late night Russians were veerrry busy voting tonight.

I would think that would be earlyish-morning Russians.

At least based on the time zone difference between me and mr. klys right now, and Russia’s even further to the east.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 11:03:59pm

re: #282 Dr Lizardo

In the next week or two. And it will be Trump saying he won’t participate because the media is out to get him or some such bullshit.

I’m betting on tomorrow.

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retired cynic Sep 26, 2016 • 11:05:43pm

re: #284 allegro

I’m betting on tomorrow.

I’m thinking his bragging about how well he did tonight might hold that off for a bit.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 26, 2016 • 11:08:23pm

.@DRUDGE_REPORT’s First Presidential Debate Poll:
Trump: 80%
Clinton: 20%
Join the MOVEMENT today & lets #MAGA! https://t.co/3KWOl2ibaW pic.twitter.com/jV2pwNjWC2

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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majii Sep 26, 2016 • 11:09:09pm

re: #281 allegro

Giuliani is already saying publicly that Trump should not do the other debates. It’s not HRC’s fault that Trump came across as unprepared in the first debate. It’s his own. It was reported over a month ago that he had said that he doesn’t feel he needs debate prep. I’m also wondering if he didn’t go into the debate thinking that it would be the same as those he’d done in the GOP Primary, and that he’d be able to steamroll the moderators and HRC and bend them to his will.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 11:09:20pm

re: #285 retired cynic

I’m thinking his bragging about how well he did tonight might hold that off for a bit.

I’m thinking he was bragging and not hearing the excoriation from the media - like duh, of course. By tomorrow he’ll be talking about how he really won and the media blasting is so unfair and just Hillary bought so…

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retired cynic Sep 26, 2016 • 11:10:50pm

re: #288 allegro

I’m thinking he was bragging and not hearing the excoriation from the media - like duh, of course. By tomorrow he’ll be talking about how he really won and the media blasting is so unfair and just Hillary bought so…

I think he knew. I may despise him, but I don’t think he is stupid.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 11:13:01pm

So, listening to a sports podcast tonight… and the host has asked a couple of people if they watched the debate and if so who one.

First guy thought that Drumpfskind won the first hour, and the second hour was split.

Second guy thought that Drumpfskind won for those who care about domestic issues.

Just two small observations.

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 11:14:50pm

My Twitter is a shit show right now. Thank you Joy Ann Reid!

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majii Sep 26, 2016 • 11:16:24pm

re: #288 allegro

Well, he has been crowing on Twitter about the CNBC poll results that show him winning. I have my doubts about the reliability of that poll, especially if it’s an online poll. I remember that Dancing With the Stars had to change its voting method after Bristol Palin was a contestant because it was discovered that some people were casting multiple votes for her when they were only supposed to cast a single vote for a single couple. I remember reading about this on the Immoral Minority blogspot, and that some who commented at IM had access to the site, Conservatives For Palin, and actually witnessed them making plans to vote multiple times to keep Bristol Palin on the show.

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Targetpractice Sep 26, 2016 • 11:18:20pm

re: #287 majii

Giuliani is already saying publicly that Trump should not do the other debates. It’s not HRC’s fault that Trump came across as unprepared in the first debate. It’s his own. It was reported over a month ago that he had said that he doesn’t feel he needs debate prep. I’m also wondering if he didn’t go into the debate thinking that it would be the same as those he’d done in the GOP Primary, and that he’d be able to steamroll the moderators and HRC and bend them to his will.

That certainly seemed to be the strategy he tried, regularly trying to talk over both her and Holt, and even trying to bully Holt once into just agreeing with him about “Stop and Frisk.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 11:22:05pm

re: #290 freetoken

So, listening to a sports podcast tonight… and the host has asked a couple of people if they watched the debate and if so who one.

First guy thought that Drumpfskind won the first hour, and the second hour was split.

Second guy thought that Drumpfskind won for those who care about domestic issues.

Just two small observations.

Yes, we’ve known for a while now that sanity is going to depend on women and minorities - especially minority women.

In fact, that’s what the crosstabs of the PPP poll lined above show. Men and whites - and so I’m going to take a random stab and guess that white men in particular - think that Trump won. (In both groups, margin of error, but I’m going to guess again that white men would probably be outside the margin of error.)

Good thing for the country that they aren’t the majority anymore.

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Snarknado! Sep 26, 2016 • 11:23:59pm

re: #272 Snarknado!

Online poll?

I couldn’t resist checking. Yes, they’re all online polls. The CNBC one has a disclaimer (results may not reflect actual public opinion, or words to that effect). Enjoy your dream world, Donald — it will convince you that you’ve done All The Best Preparation for the next one.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 11:26:04pm

In case you wondered what kind of complete fucking idiot was running Politico.

@michaelphirsh @realDonaldTrump @HillaryClinton Lol. this is sarcasm, right?

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) September 27, 2016

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@neeratanden @realDonaldTrump @HillaryClinton You’re kidding yourself, Neera. She needed to destroy him. She didn’t. She lost.

— Michael Hirsh (@michaelphirsh) September 27, 2016

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Snarknado! Sep 26, 2016 • 11:26:27pm

Oh, hi, Klys.

You might want to know that there is cold air flowing in through the Golden Gate and it’s more humid than it was today and yesterday. It’ll probably take another day or so to get to you, but cooler weather appears to be on the way!

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 11:29:18pm

Police: Lawyer who went on shooting rampage in Houston was dressed in a Nazi uniform:

rawstory.com

They’ve traded the dogwhistle for a foghorn, then said screw it and just went all in. What is it with conservatives and fascism?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 11:29:38pm

re: #297 Snarknado!

Oh, hi, Klys.

You might want to know that there is cold air flowing in through the Golden Gate and it’s more humid than it was today and yesterday. It’ll probably take another day or so to get to you, but cooler weather appears to be on the way!

Tomorrow is supposed to be a whole 9 degrees cooler!

/cry

No, it is supposed to seriously cool down by the end of the week and I cannot fucking wait.

@CAL_FIRE Be safe fighting this inferno. #LomaFire #wildfire pic.twitter.com/rayDLcfa99

— Hector A. Aranda (@arandadesigns) September 27, 2016

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BeachDem Sep 26, 2016 • 11:31:27pm

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a moment, when Trump was blathering on about something, clearly lost in his own ego and defensiveness, that Clinton, who had been looking at him, or the audience, or the moderator, looked RIGHT AT the camera.

It was magic.

Of course, the candidates usually look at the camera to deliver their openings and closings, but this was the first time I’ve ever seen a candidate do that, to connect with the audience during the reaction part.

It was—my comment at that moment was that she broke the fourth wall and had a “Can you believe I have to put up with this shit?” look on her face.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 11:32:00pm

re: #299 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Tomorrow is supposed to be a whole 9 degrees cooler!

/cry

No, it is supposed to seriously cool down by the end of the week and I cannot fucking wait.

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Supposed to do that here in Houston too. It has begun this evening actually - it is gorgeous outside! I live for this time of year when we finally get a break from the heat.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 11:32:20pm

re: #267 nines09

President Ron Paul congratulates @realDonaldTrump on his online poll victory https://t.co/zDGAqGSXVd

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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BeachDem Sep 26, 2016 • 11:33:22pm

re: #272 Snarknado!

Online poll?

Probably why Trump skipped his “victory” party—so he and Melania could freep the poll from their limo on their way into the city.

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Snarknado! Sep 26, 2016 • 11:33:42pm

re: #299 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Amen. (Not that I can complain, I live in the single island of 2016 summer coolness in the whole entire country — three hot days are just to remind us that this has been paradise.)

Night all! It might even be cool enough to sleep. Better than last night, anyway.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 11:33:52pm

Another guy on a sports show… thinks Drumpfskind won, though also thought he didn’t follow the rules very well.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 11:34:21pm

Always interesting to see people hear what they do.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 11:34:44pm

Also, one guy didn’t like the faces Clinton was making.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 11:36:04pm

re: #304 Snarknado!

Amen. (Not that I can complain, I live in the single island of 2016 summer coolness in the whole entire country — three hot days are just to remind us that this has been paradise.)

Night all! It might even be cool enough to sleep. Better than last night, anyway.

I live in my stupid little WARM microclimate so the AC has been happily chugging away.

The 9 degrees cooling means that tomorrow’s high is only supposed to be like 93.

Haha.

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BeachDem Sep 26, 2016 • 11:36:31pm

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

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Wait, so the CNBC poll had more than twice the votes as the Drudge poll? Seems odd—maybe Melania couldn’t access Drudge on her phone.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 26, 2016 • 11:36:42pm

TRUMP: I made my Saving Throw against Disintegration, so I won, right?

HIRSH: You have 1 hit point left & you’re barely conscious. So… yes.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 11:37:27pm

re: #303 BeachDem

Probably why Trump skipped his “victory” party—so he and Melania could freep the poll from their limo on their way into the city.

Seeing Melania’s face in an earlier post where she and hubby were leaving the debate venue, I was thinking Melania would be accessing the arnica cream before the night was over. Yeah, I see Trump as that kinda guy.

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 11:40:12pm

Steve King (R-Iowa) continuing on his fascist rant (a retweet):

Strong European leaders absolutely don’t like the Hillary for President idea. Bill even has the voice of Soros! pic.twitter.com/GiVFed38CC

— Voice of Europe (@V_of_Europe) September 4, 2016

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Single-handed sailor Sep 26, 2016 • 11:41:14pm

re: #308 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I live in my stupid little WARM microclimate so the AC has been happily chugging away.

The 9 degrees cooling means that tomorrow’s high is only supposed to be like 93.

Haha.

Same here. Hey, at least the humidity was only 13% which brought down the heat index to 96.

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BeachDem Sep 26, 2016 • 11:44:09pm

HuffPo headlines reflect their mild antipathy toward Trump/

ORANGE CRUSH: DON DEMOLISHED AT DEBATE
‘This Is As Good As It Gets’… Trump ‘Punches Himself Out’… ‘Loses His Cool’… LUNTZ PANEL: 17-3 For Hillary, ‘Birther Question Destroyed Him’… CNN: 18-2 Hillary… Undecideds React Coolly To Trump… Even White Supremacists Agree!… FINEMAN: Worst Debate Performance Ever…Clinton Obliterates Trump On Tax Returns… And Shady Business Practices…
Donald Lies About Iraq War Support… And Climate Change Record… And Stop-And-Frisk… Struggles To Defend Misogynist Comments… Brags About Exploiting Housing Crisis… Peddles Fed Conspiracy Theory… And Promotes His Hotels — Again!… Refuses To Apologize For Birtherism… Suggests Obama Isn’t His President… LATEST UPDATES…

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 11:44:40pm

A friend from childhood.

I’m Hispanic. I live in a city. I guess according to Trump I live in hell and might get shot any day now. #debates

— Angela (@MsAngT) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 26, 2016 • 11:49:11pm

re: #313 Single-handed sailor

Same here. Hey, at least the humidity was only 13% which brought down the heat index to 96.

Lucky. My heat index was definitely above 100 at points today. This is why I got up and did my run early. Will do the same on Wednesday and Thursday.

I may not make it to the archery range this week.* If I do, I’m definitely hauling water with me.

But we’re up to Lassen this weekend and the forecast for that looks NICE.

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allegro Sep 26, 2016 • 11:52:39pm

re: #315 teleskiguy

I’m white. I live in a city. This morning about 3 miles away 9 people were shot in the most upscale area of the city where only white people live. The shooter was wearing a Nazi uniform. Just sayin.

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Anymouse Sep 26, 2016 • 11:54:18pm

Senator Bernie Sanders live-tweeted the debate, and slammed Donald Trump through the whole thing.

Tweets by BernieSanders

Senator Sanders will be campaigning with Hillary Clinton on Wednesday.

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teleskiguy Sep 26, 2016 • 11:54:20pm

…and doing so created a major stature gap in her favor. It clearly bothered him not to be called “Mr. Trump” as he makes everyone else do.

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) September 27, 2016

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It’s the little things.

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freetoken Sep 26, 2016 • 11:56:04pm

re: #319 teleskiguy

The guys I’m hearing on sports podcasts tonight don’t see it that way.

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re: #319 teleskiguy

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It’s the little things.

IIRC, the Clintons and the Trumps have met before on social occasions, so Hillary referring to him by first name was not entirely out of line. But it clearly irritated him when she referred to him by name when refuting his many lies and exaggerations.

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Kragar Sep 26, 2016 • 11:58:24pm

internet neo-nazis are calling it for hillary https://t.co/K1MDXgukRc pic.twitter.com/wS99UPfr9P

— Ashley Feinberg (@ashleyfeinberg) September 27, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:01:37am

re: #320 freetoken

I’ll take the response polls over the sports podcast guys.

Somewhat more scientific. Larger sample size. Less self-selecting.

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BeachDem Sep 27, 2016 • 12:02:34am

re: #318 Anymouse

Senator Bernie Sanders live-tweeted the debate, and slammed Donald Trump through the whole thing.

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Senator Sanders will be campaigning with Hillary Clinton on Wednesday.

I hope he mentions her name/ (in all of his debate tweets, he only mentions her name once. It’s fine to be against Trump, but he needs to be FOR Hillary to be effective IMO)

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teleskiguy Sep 27, 2016 • 12:02:51am

re: #320 freetoken

Fuckin’ meatheads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:06:50am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

He spent so much time whining about how mean her ads are, when all her ads are just him and his own words.

Context is not his friend

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 12:07:26am

The person on the right said Trump’s appeal to blacks was bad. The person on the left said it was “very effective.” pic.twitter.com/wHwuPtpD72

— Liam Stack (@liamstack) September 27, 2016

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Tonight’s Moment of Zen: Kayleigh McEnany whitesplaining black outreach to Van Jones. https://t.co/XBGw3on23P

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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Kragar Sep 27, 2016 • 12:09:20am

They found @realDonaldTrump’s stash! #sniff https://t.co/jqazfdn8CM

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 27, 2016 • 12:17:21am

A comment from CNN’s focus group stuck w/ me: Hillary “took control of the situation.” Trump did not look in-charge. https://t.co/2KMQkdSrfE

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) September 27, 2016

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Made me think of this:

Do you feel…in charge?

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austin_blue Sep 27, 2016 • 12:25:47am

I’m off to the rack. That was a pretty solid performance by Hillary. Trump, by the end of the night, looked like he was coming down off a coke jag. He pretty much lost his shit in the last hour. He may have a stamina problem.

Sweet scaly dreams, all. It looks like the bogeyman may have no clothes (made in China!) after all.

See you tomorrow. Good thoughts to the Bay Area Lizards who are watching the Lomo Prieta fire come crashing over the ridge toward them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:32:50am

re: #212 Targetpractice

I really do wonder who is gonna be the first to breach their NDA after this shitshow meets its end in November and spills the beans about just how hilariously bad Trump was at campaigning. The inevitable tell-all books are gonna be an absolute joy to read.

As soon as Trump renegs on his end of the bargain by not paying the people he has hired.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:33:54am

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel

With Trump’s disastrous debate performance, we have just passed peak wingnut.

They don’t retreat, they reload!

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 12:44:21am

This is the Miss Universe ad Hillary was talking about. It’s the most brutally effective one so far. Just one, long, devastating burn.

New Clinton camp video: “Former Miss Universe Alicia Machado’s Story on Trump Demeaning Women.” pic.twitter.com/jn9py3fgew

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 27, 2016

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 12:46:52am

Not sure there is such a thing as an objective evaluation of “who won”.

The gambling sites have shifted the odds of winning towards Clinton, but the odds have not reached the extreme that favored Clinton after the Democratic convention. For whatever that is worth.

It’ll be at least 72 hours before we have enough post-debate polls to see if a trend is developing.

The VP debate next week is not getting any love. I wonder how it will go. Pence is no Drumpfskind, for good and bad. He will probably have some more lengthy answers and probably will not deflect as much as Drumpfskind. Expect a lot of religious conservative talk from Pence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:52:13am

re: #335 freetoken

Not sure there is such a thing as an objective evaluation of “who won”.

Of course the f*ck not. The only objective evaluation of the candidates’ merits will be on November 8th.

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Apocalypse Sep 27, 2016 • 12:54:59am

re: #312 Anymouse

Nickel Garage saying he wouldn’t vote for Clinton, even if you paid him, is meaning less. He can’t vote for anyone in the US election, for obvious reasons.

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 12:55:05am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, we could come up with metrics. Some debates, real debates, can be scored.

One can also evaluate language (words, grammar, etc.)

Also time-on-mic; in this case the analysis already appears to have been done, with Drumpfskind taking the majority of time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:56:07am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course the f*ck not. The only objective evaluation of the candidates’ merits will be on November 8th.

Same as it was before the debate, strangely enough.

Anyway we are past my bedtime and I am getting cranky so later lizards.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 12:56:22am

Text from a GOP friend of mine in Congress.

I’m sorry, Congressman, but tonight Hillary is coming across as presidential. #DebateNight pic.twitter.com/DsEEV2FSho

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) September 27, 2016

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More to the point, what’s going on with Congressman Oedipus of Thebes? https://t.co/EQE1NhB33s

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 12:59:39am

re: #338 freetoken

Well, we could come up with metrics. Some debates, real debates, can be scored.

They would all be subjective and each side would be busy tweaking them to their favor.

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 1:00:37am

Freepers are detached from reality, but that is nothing new. A few are peevishly admitting that Hillary won, in between the misogyny and keyboard dysentery.

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Apocalypse Sep 27, 2016 • 1:03:48am

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

Brilliant response, Frank!

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 1:04:35am

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

Deep misogyny runs throughout the hate-right.

And yes, great tweet by you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 1:20:44am

re: #344 freetoken

Deep misogyny runs throughout the hate-right.

and total lack of irony or self-consciousness…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 1:25:21am

re: #334 goddamnedfrank

Vea mi numero 268, amigo.

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 1:34:42am

Maybe Drumpfskind can blame the fall of the Roman Empire on Japan???

Ancient Roman coins unearthed from castle ruins in Okinawa

Coins issued in ancient Rome have been excavated from the ruins of a castle in Okinawa Prefecture, the local board of education said, the first time such artifacts have been discovered in Japan.

The board of education in the city of Uruma said the four copper coins, believed to date back to the Roman Empire in the third to fourth centuries, were discovered in the ruins of Katsuren Castle, which existed from the 12th to 15th centuries.

[…]

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 1:42:18am

re: #347 freetoken

Maybe Drumpfskind can blame the fall of the Roman Empire on Japan???

Ancient Roman coins unearthed from castle ruins in Okinawa

The Beeb had a story a couple of days ago about archaeologists finding at least two human skeletons of Asian origin in a Roman burial site. The experts said the remains were of people who had recently come from Asia and were living in Britannia at the time of their decease. They were not descendents of Asians, IOW.

So it seems the Romans’ reach extended much further east that we had suspected. They might have piggy backed on Alexander’s trade routes. He made it as far as the Indus valley, and Greek influence extended even further over time.

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 1:44:00am

I wonder what Drumpfskind would say if confronted with this:

Bombs at mosque, congress center in Dresden, no one hurt: German police

Two improvised bombs exploded in the eastern German city of Dresden on Monday evening - one at a mosque and one at an international conference center - but no one was injured, police said on Tuesday.

[…]

Dresden was the cradle of the anti-Islam PEGIDA grassroots movement whose weekly rallies attracted around 20,000 supporters at the height of its popularity at the start of 2015.

The influx of about 1 million migrants to Germany last year has increased social tensions, especially in eastern Germany where there have been some high-profile attacks on refugee shelters.

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 1:47:29am

re: #348 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Saw that story. There has been some criticism about the BBC story for not being accurate enough. Until DNA tests are done on the remains, it is hard to place any modern human skeleton.

Yet there were clearly low-level flows of goods and people all the way across the Eurasian continent. Speaking of the BBC, they did a decent 3 episode docuementary on the Silk Road.

Those coins found in Japan - almost certainly the came from traders in China, who in medieval times were trading with the west.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 1:52:03am

Money talks, bullshit walks. “Prediction Markets Score the Debate a Rout: Clinton Over Trump” https://t.co/I7u9RR5YDk

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 2:00:52am

re: #351 goddamnedfrank

But, as I noted, Hillary is still not back to where she was in previous peaks:

betfair.com

(be sure to invert the axis.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 2:18:55am

re: #350 freetoken

Saw that story. There has been some criticism about the BBC story for not being accurate enough. Until DNA tests are done on the remains, it is hard to place any modern human skeleton.

Yet there were clearly low-level flows of goods and people all the way across the Eurasian continent. Speaking of the BBC, they did a decent 3 episode docuementary on the Silk Road.

Those coins found in Japan - almost certainly the came from traders in China, who in medieval times were trading with the west.

Chinese traders got around, too, until the emperor decided defending the northern border outweighed wide ranging exploration and recalled the fleet, and then around 1500 the government made it illegal to build any ship with more than two masts. Had China continued its extensive exploration and trade, world history would have been very different.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 2:21:39am

re: #353 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chinese traders got around, too, until the emperor decided defending the northern border outweighed wide ranging exploration and recalled the fleet, and then around 1500 the government made it illegal to build any ship with more than two masts. Had China continued its extensive exploration and trade, world history would have been very different.

It’s almost like insularity and protectionist policies tend not to serve societies well in the long run.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 2:28:03am

re: #354 goddamnedfrank

It’s almost like insularity and protectionist policies tend not to serve societies well in the long run.

Funny how that works.

North Korea would be a modern example.

For all his faults, Deng XiaoPing realized that opening up China to the rest of the world would be the only way China could survive as a nation. I wonder what he’d make of his nation now.

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 2:49:47am

re: #353 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Had China continued its extensive exploration and trade, world history would have been very different.

A good alt-history building block.

All the Chinese sailors had to do was sail north of Japan, following the current, and they would have discovered the Aleutian islands.

The world would be very different today.

Funny how such small decisions propagate down through time to make really big differences.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 2:54:22am

re: #356 freetoken

A good alt-history building block.

All the Chinese sailors had to do was sail north of Japan, following the current, and they would have discovered the Aleutian islands.

The world would be very different today.

Funny how such small decisions propagate down through time to make really big differences.

Some Chinese Internet “experts” have even floated the idea that Chinese sailors discovered the Americas long before the Europeans did. There is however no evidence it ever happened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 2:56:58am

re: #357 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some Chinese Internet “experts” have even floated the idea that Chinese sailors discovered the Americas long before the Europeans did. There is however no evidence it ever happened.

“discovered” is a loaded work: there is all kinds of evidence that people visited America, but it was not until the end of the 15th century that America and the rest of the world established regular connections and, although the term “commerce” does not describe the initial European conquest, it did lead to a two-way flow of goods and people.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 2:59:39am

I’m so fucking sick of Chuck Todd.

@JamesFallows @MeetThePress this short handed what I said on air. I said she sometimes included too many points in one answer.

— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 27, 2016

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The not so subtle sexist framework here is glaring. The man who’s critical of the confident & prepared woman demonstrating her expertise.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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It’s almost like these criticisms are rooted in something else. Something psychological that says more about the critic than the criticized.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 3:02:59am

re: #359 goddamnedfrank

OMG! She said too many things at one time!

Chuck Todd: “My brain is full. May I be excused?”

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freetoken Sep 27, 2016 • 3:06:04am

This headline caused me to go え？ (eh?):

Why the story of body-swapping teenagers has gripped Japan

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 3:10:38am

re: #361 freetoken

This headline caused me to go え？ (eh?):

Why the story of body-swapping teenagers has gripped Japan

“Ranma 1/2” called, wants to know why no one has ever heard of it.

(Never watched a minute of anime, but I still managed to hear about that show.)

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Nojay UK Sep 27, 2016 • 3:29:16am

re: #361 freetoken

This headline caused me to go え？ (eh?):

Why the story of body-swapping teenagers has gripped Japan

I’ve got a ticket to go see “Kimi no Na wa” next month during an anime film festival being held locally, and very much looking forward to it.

As for Shinkai-san being compared to Miyazaki-dono, well… the two directors tell different kinds of stories. The one thing they have in common is a lush cinematic appreciation of Japan and an ability to depict it in animation. Shinkai-san can do urban scenes better than Miyazaki and he has a love affair with trains — his breakthrough short series “5cm per second” was a love story based on train timetables but they appear everywhere in his work.

There are other directors and animation studios doing stellar work in Japan, breaking the boundaries of style and art (Shaft is the most prominent of these — I’ve also got tickets for the cinematic showing of the Kizumonogatari movies at the festival) but Shinkai-san is a singular artist who I expect great things of in the future.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 27, 2016 • 3:41:46am

Future generations will tell their children bedtime stories about Trump the Thirsty Racist Clown & how he lost bc he didn’t do his homework.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 27, 2016

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 3:45:40am

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

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Hopefully, Trump will be used as a cautionary tool about the importance of homework and job interview prep for kids and young adults.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 3:46:18am

re: #365 Timothy Watson

Hopefully, Trump will be used as a cautionary tool about the importance of homework and job interview prep for kids and young adults.

the “tool” part fits him perfectly

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LastYearsMan Sep 27, 2016 • 3:49:08am

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

Of course, if he did do his homework, he would be learning. And therefore would not be Trump. The very crapfest that has brought him him this far also cripples him.

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Scout Sep 27, 2016 • 4:05:03am

I realize this isn’t a big deal for you folks, but Mrs. Clinton’s security reassurances for Asia was major news over here:

The Japan Times

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 4:28:14am

re: #367 LastYearsMan

Of course, if he did do his homework, he would be learning. And therefore would not be Trump. The very crapfest that has brought him him this far also cripples him.

People who did homework in school were Nerds and Losers. Trump likes Cool people and Winners: people who get by on their looks, wits and their inheritances…

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 4:32:42am

re: #367 LastYearsMan

Of course, if he did do his homework, he would be learning. And therefore would not be Trump. The very crapfest that has brought him him this far also cripples him.

he had at least the last 16 months and some 8(?) debates to learn something, form some solid policy positions and prepare for this

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 4:33:50am

re: #368 Scout

I realize this isn’t a big deal for you folks, but Mrs. Clinton’s security reassurances for Asia was major news over here:

The Japan Times

it was a really smart thing to say, and in that format
well planned, well played

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 4:34:28am

re: #370 dangerman

he had at least the last 16 months and some 8(?) debates to learn something, form some solid policy positions and prepare for this

His attitude and rhetoric just says it all. He thinks he doesn’t need to do these things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 4:38:52am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

His attitude and rhetoric just says it all. He thinks he doesn’t need to do these things.

He pays people to do these things for him. Or rather, he offers to pay them and then takes advantage of current business practices & legislation to get out of it, thus proving who is “smarter”.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 4:39:42am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

His attitude and rhetoric just says it all. He thinks he doesn’t need to do these things.

not a recipe for success in a forum designed more or less for you to demonstrate how youd be as president

in a sense, she took the 3AM call last night.
he wants credit for waking up while he still flails around complaining that no one handed him the phone

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 4:41:17am

re: #374 dangerman

not a recipe for success in a forum designed more or less for you to demonstrate how youd be as president

in a sense, she took the 3AM call last night.
he wants credit for waking up while he still flails around complaining that no one handed him the phone

The Simpsons nailed it

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 4:44:24am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Simpsons nailed it

independent parallel development
maybe ive got a career in animation

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 4:49:57am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People who did homework in school were Nerds and Losers. Trump likes Cool people and Winners: people who get by on their looks, wits and their inheritances…

Echosmith - Cool Kids [Official Music Video]

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 4:50:24am

Even the idiots at Fox “news” are stunned at Trump’s #deplorable comments about Miss Universe. #debates pic.twitter.com/xf7ti68ouH

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) September 27, 2016

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Le Lapin Tueur Sep 27, 2016 • 4:58:24am

Ok, I just watched the Miss Universe clip. Tack that one onto the Clinton ad with the young women/girls and body image and I am left with a very bad taste in my mouth. Any female out there should recognize that he views them (along with all the ‘other’) as less than human.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 4:58:58am

re: #378 Dr. Matt

Even the idiots at Fox “news” are stunned at Trump’s #deplorable comments about Miss Universe.

How to alienate 50% of the electorate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 4:59:47am

re: #379 Le Lapin Tueur

Ok, I just watched the Miss Universe clip. Tack that one onto the Clinton ad with the young women/girls and body image and I am left with a very bad taste in my mouth. Any female out there should recognize that he views them (along with all the ‘other’) as less than human.

He views most everyone he deals with as less than human.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 5:02:23am

How best to summarize last night’s #debates. pic.twitter.com/9yg1DEVIP2

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) September 27, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Sep 27, 2016 • 5:04:26am

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

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You need a million retweets on that one. Lol!

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:07:04am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. None of what happened last night should be surprising to anyone following the election and the two candidates on the podium.

Clinton is being held to impossible standards by certain white guys who think she was over prepared, gave canned responses, or came across stiffly or not sufficiently personable or too personable (often at the same time). That’s got nothing to do with her performance last night and speaks more to the person critiquing than Clinton.

She eviscerated Trump last night. It shouldn’t even be close, but Trump will simply brush it off as inconsequential or that he was really telling the truth amid all his lies.

He couldn’t even go 5 minutes without telling at least a lie. Wrong wrong wrong. That’s his stock response to Clinton calling him out for not knowing basics.

Trump couldn’t even reach the low bar placed for him. He showed up physically. But he was incoherent and gave a Sarah Palin worthy word salad response to nearly everything.

He had his canned phrases ready to go, and he used them whether the context called for them or not.

So of course, his supporters think he did awesomely. Clinton didn’t filet him and skewer him like some floppy fish.

Trump made no effort to reach towards the independents. Clinton did - and showed she was presidential. Trump doesn’t know or care what presidential is. He just wants the attention.

This morning, all the attention should be negative but Trump will tout online polls as though they reflect anything other than a bunch of online nitwits stacking a poll.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 5:08:01am

Trump was unprepared, unhinged, unpresidential, and he had no stamina. #debates pic.twitter.com/e5HJg9GTHh

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) September 27, 2016

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:10:20am

Morning after getting routed by Clinton in the first debate, @realdonaldtrump’s focusing on the important issues: #MissUniverse @igorbobic

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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Trump Doubles Down On Attacking Former Miss Universe’s Weight https://t.co/1rCqZP1mKV

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 27, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Sep 27, 2016 • 5:12:11am

re: #386 lawhawk

Classy Orange Dude.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 5:13:11am

re: #386 lawhawk

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Cage rattled. But hey his temperament is the best, just ask him!

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:14:28am

LOL, look the story headline. Look at these ads: https://t.co/2sgroAWPRu pic.twitter.com/vwKK6pE5MY

— andrew kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 27, 2016

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Trump got eviscerated, and even Rudy’s suggesting Trump might not do the remaining debates, so of course Trump’s trying to counter this with ads saying he won.

There’s so much cognitive dissonance to unpack in all that.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 5:15:19am

re: #389 lawhawk

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Trump got eviscerated, and even Rudy’s suggesting Trump might not do the remaining debates, so of course Trump’s trying to counter this with ads saying he won.

There’s so much cognitive dissonance to unpack in all that.

SAD!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 5:18:02am

re: #386 lawhawk

Srta Machado is a beauty, no matter what her weight. Fat-ass Trump is ugly no matter what his weight.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:21:15am

so in all the pre-debate concern and angst and unknowns i think there were a few undercurrents.

was hillary going to be “up to it”. up to her past performances. would trump rattle her or knock her off her game. did she prepare enough/ correctly. would the pneumonia have an effect.

well hell. she’s an effing champion. her performance history is pretty consistent. if she wasnt going to be up for this, why would “we” think she’d be an effective president?

she was exactly what she always is. no real surprises. A-

i think the real unspoken concern was whether trump could rise to the occasion, appear presidential, and maybe change the narrative. was he secretly actually doing massive debate prep, does he have a command of the issues that, one on one in front of however many millions and the world he would finally lay out in an adult / professional manner.

he was exactly what he always is. no real surprises. i dont know how to grade such behavior.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:23:12am

re: #389 lawhawk

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Trump got eviscerated, and even Rudy’s suggesting Trump might not do the remaining debates, so of course Trump’s trying to counter this with ads saying he won.

There’s so much cognitive dissonance to unpack in all that.

if you have to spin it that brazenly, you got pasted.

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Decatur Deb Sep 27, 2016 • 5:24:22am

James Brown I feel good

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 5:24:40am

re: #392 dangerman

Trump was his normal, undisciplined, unschooled, unsophisticated self. Hillary just had to poke him in the right places to get the right responses. Masterful technique. She must have been a lawyer, or something.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:30:08am

re: #395 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump was his normal, undisciplined, unschooled, unsophisticated self. Hillary just had to poke him in the right places to get the right responses. Masterful technique. She must have been a lawyer, or something.

i wondered if she had any experience doing this kind of thing before. debate, discuss, negotiate, argue,

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 5:31:15am

re: #396 dangerman

i wondered if she had any experience doing this kind of thing before. debate, discuss, negotiate, argue,

Nah. I think she’s just a quick study.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 5:31:48am

Trump is floating a new conspiracy that his microphone was not working properly. Now he’s going to spend the next week claiming it was rigged against him and NBC gave him a faulty microphone

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:32:46am

re: #398 Dr. Matt

Trump is floating a new conspiracy that his microphone was not working properly. Now he’s going to spend the next week claiming it was rigged against him and NBC gave him a faulty microphone

The microphone was working perfectly. Trump, however, showed fatal flaws exposed for all to hear. And not just the coke sniffles.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 5:32:58am

re: #398 Dr. Matt

Trump is floating a new conspiracy that his microphone was not working properly. Now he’s going to spend the next week claiming it was rigged against him and NBC gave him a faulty microphone

He could have asked for a new one during the sound check. Total BS as usual.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:33:13am

im finding the usual suspect websites declaring him the winner, or no winner (because of course hillary spoke ‘democrat’)

and then the comments dont support that. many are writing things like “what were you watching? it’s obvious, she tore him apart…”

punditry gotta pund
actually people are accepting a certain dose of reality
probably wont change votes.
still a grudging acceptance that sometimes we all see the same color sky

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:33:46am

And you’re surprised @realdonaldtrump lied about this? It was a nonstop barrage of Trump lies @MajorCBS @foxandfriends @CBSNews

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:34:28am

re: #398 Dr. Matt

Trump is floating a new conspiracy that his microphone was not working properly. Now he’s going to spend the next week claiming it was rigged against him and NBC gave him a faulty microphone

what, it somehow changed his words like a universal translator?

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:35:44am

re: #402 lawhawk

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i just “literally” LOL’d so loud i woke up two snoozing cats and sent them running

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 5:37:43am

re: #386 lawhawk

Trump Doubles Down On Attacking Former Miss Universe’s Weight

Yunno, taking her aside and explaining that her weight issues might reflect negatively on her image as Miss Universe is one thing, but calling her “Miss Piggy” or “Miss Housekeeping” constitutes bullying and harrassment.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:37:44am

my favorite post debate comment so far:

in re

Nobody wants to call him,” Trump complained Monday. “Nobody calls Sean Hannity.

“Lester, I want to call my lifeline Sean Hannity to answer that question”

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:38:35am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yunno, taking her aside and explaining that her weight issues might reflect negatively on her image as Miss Universe is one thing, but calling her “Miss Piggy” or “Miss Housekeeping” constitutes bullying and harrassment.

he figured he owned the pagent so he owned her as well

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 5:38:57am

re: #407 dangerman

he figured he owned the pagent so he owned her as well

exactly

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:39:11am

Even more pathetic than @LesterHoltNBC’s question was @realDonaldTrump response. Evasive and dodgy but ultimately yeah.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:43:19am

This happened a short time ago - house explosion in the Bronx. I’m going to go on a limb and say it was natural gas leak/explosion:

#BREAKING: House explosion reported in #Kingsbridge #TheBronx. WATCH LIVE: https://t.co/JZgOga0jFt @BreakingNews pic.twitter.com/fYKFR3ivEJ

— wcbs880 (@wcbs880) September 27, 2016

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jeffreyw Sep 27, 2016 • 5:45:21am

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Good morning!

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:46:22am

Stephen Colbert mocks Trump’s health: He ‘sounded like he was fighting off a cold with cocaine’ https://t.co/cQx0yWaHvf #debates pic.twitter.com/pfK9LVZ5jf

— Raw Story (@RawStory) September 27, 2016

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Heh.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 5:46:41am

#debates

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:46:51am

this reminds me a lot of the thinking surrounding the billie jean king vs bobby riggs tennis match (1973)

the odds were like 2 to 1 against her

it was a stunt..
how could she possibly win…
what if she breaks a nail…

conventional wisdom was she’s just a little lady, and will fall apart in the middle

(she beat him solidly)
en.wikipedia.org

and last night she tweeted:

Billie Jean King ‏@BillieJeanKing 10h10 hours ago
Tonight’s debate has once again shown that @HillaryClinton is the only candidate who is prepared and qualified to be our president

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Le Lapin Tueur Sep 27, 2016 • 5:48:11am

re: #392 dangerman

he was exactly what he always is. no real surprises. i dont know how to grade such behavior.

Yes, you do. He is thin skinned, baitable, and generally contemptible.

F^—

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 5:49:39am

re: #413 Dr. Matt

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Big Steve Sep 27, 2016 • 5:50:22am

While I am not too fond of Hillary’s position on social change (tax the rich, and the government will use it to make everyone happy), after last night’s debate……she might as well start measuring for the drapes at the White House.

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 5:57:25am

Clinton camp worried Trump will pull out of future debates. (Yep. And he’ll says he was bullied by Lester Holt.) https://t.co/Y83CU1520c

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) September 27, 2016

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Of course Trump’s might skip remaining debates. Who wants to be eviscerated not once, but 3x by Hillary Clinton before yooge crowds.

It’s like Trump’s relationship to contracts. They don’t count for much with Trump.

And Clinton will attack Trump for skipping the debates. If he can’t handle Clinton at a debate, how can anyone trust Trump in the WH.

Meanwhile, Trump and his surrogates are still pushing the Cruz’s dad-JFK conspiracy.

In the spin room, I asked Trump surrogates about Trump’s entertaining the idea @tedcruz’s father killed JFK: https://t.co/Mu343TRncv

— Mike Warren (@MichaelRWarren) September 27, 2016

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Seriously. This is one seriously fucked up person. Trump doesn’t belong in the White House. He belongs in a white padded room getting mental health treatment.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 5:59:34am

re: #417 Big Steve

While I am not too fond of Hillary’s position on social change (tax the rich, and the government will use it to make everyone happy), after last night’s debate……she might as well start measuring for the drapes at the White House.

Much of the social change you refer to is economic stability. Kids indebted to student loans for a lot of their initial working life is anti economic growth. Inability to spend any money, buy a house, etc., due to high rates of interest are nothing short of cutting off our economic noses to spite the US Economy.

We need a strong middle class to grow. Without a strong middle class we have virtually no economy.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:09:50am

Last night the problem was the mic, so now let’s throw this against the wall. #ImWithHer #debatenight https://t.co/WJqTgdDT6C

— Zanti Rodham Misfit (@ZantiMisft) September 27, 2016

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Trump: Lester Holt asked me some “unfair” and “hostile” questions https://t.co/pwKTMJ3acE pic.twitter.com/jVn28zuX9T

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 27, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 6:10:46am

re: #419 MsJ

We need a strong middle class to grow. Without a strong middle class we have virtually no economy.

Beyond that, most of The American Dream is anchored in the middle class: home ownership, sending one’s kids to college and providing a better life for the next generations is all about being middle class.

People struggling from paycheck to paycheck do not have the time or resources to invest in improving anything for anyone, they are just trying to keep from going under.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:13:44am

re: #420 MsJ

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Such a whiny baby, How dare Holt actually hold Trump accountable to his words and actions.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:14:40am

re: #418 lawhawk

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Seriously. This is one seriously fucked up person. Trump doesn’t belong in the White House. He belongs in a white padded room getting mental health treatment.

Well it’s going to be a weird thanksgiving between Raffy Cruz and Ted this fall.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:16:08am

Ranting Bully Donald Trump Came Unglued in First Debate https://t.co/u2sHzqokqO via @intelligencer

— Shereen Skittles (@sheenA_8886) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:16:43am

re: #1 freetoken

Taking a gander at the hate-right web, doesn’t look like Drumpfskind support was affected at all. Drudge poll has, of course, Drumpfskind winning by a huge margin.

A Yuuuuge win for Trump, Yuuuuuge. Which is why the deplorables are ranting at moderator Lester Holt. Fox News is asking questions…

Was Moderator a Third Debater against Trump?

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:18:05am

Once again proving that religion is a bullshit GOP talking point.

The latest in our Voters series: Evangelicals, once skeptical of Trump, have rallied to his side. https://t.co/Ko0XqRKDtZ pic.twitter.com/w5nD1cuwpr

— FiveThirtyEight (@FiveThirtyEight) September 27, 2016

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 6:18:54am

[Media]DRAW DRAW DRAW TRUMP DID OKAY!!1!! [/media]

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:19:24am

re: #420 MsJ

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Look, I’m not complaining. OK. I’m not. Cuz I won. Won yuuuuge. All the polls say so. Drudge, all of them. But Holt asked me tough questions. Tough. None of you ever ask me tough questions. I’m not complaining. But my mic sucked. Made me sniffle. But I’m not complaining.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:19:57am

re: #427 Timothy Watson

[Media]DRAW DRAW DRAW TRUMP DID OKAY!!1!! [/media]

Media: Clinton won debate but debates don’t matter. Won’t change any votes.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 27, 2016 • 6:20:40am

re: #362 Timothy Watson

Check out Spirited Away. You’ll enjoy. :)

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:21:01am

The problem with “who won the debate” is that we think logically where Trump supporters, especially those who are not white nationalists, etc., really think that an outsider would change things up making life better for them. There are a lot of people out there who are hurting and willing to do anything to make it better. There are a lot of people willing to blame someone, anyone, for their own failings.

I think a lot of people are correct that we cannot say who won last night when the bars for winning are like comparing apples to fish.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:21:11am

re: #426 MsJ

The latest in our Voters series: Evangelicals, once skeptical of Trump, have rallied to his side. fivethirtyeight.com pic.twitter.com
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We knew this already. Were evangelicals ever skeptical of Trump? IIRC, he won them pretty early on. South Carolina in particular.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:21:43am

re: #430 GlutenFreeJesus

Check out Spirited Away. You’ll enjoy. :)

One of the best animated flicks ever.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:24:05am

re: #404 dangerman

[Embedded content]On @foxandfriends @realDonaldTrump said he won a @CBSNews post-debate poll. We did not conduct a post-debate poll.

“OK, well then, how about the other CBS News poll?”

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:25:15am

re: #378 Dr. Matt

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:27:20am

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:30:16am

New @prioritiesUSA TV ad takes aim at Trump’s debate claim that he has the best “temperament”: pic.twitter.com/Dk6XrzqMfe

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 27, 2016

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:38:44am

Hundreds of journalists write about who won/loss the debate. I looked for something else: https://t.co/KzcZAFkXmU

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) September 27, 2016

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Clinton prevailing was a fair assessment, but the question is: does it matter? Trump is a candidate who vents. Facts don’t matter to him. They may not matter to many who want to send an angry bully to Washington to beat up all those elitists there.

Before the debate, I spoke to a senior Trump surrogate who told me the Trump campaign was quite pleased with recent developments: “His message, his themes are being heard. It’s working. We’re connecting. People are giving him due consideration. People are angry. He just needs to stick to these themes and messages.” And his themes are memes: law and order, bring our jobs back, she’s low-stamina, make America great again. Do these transcend the nitty-gritty of the debate and the usual political discourse?

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:41:00am

re: #438 MsJ

Clinton prevailing was a fair assessment, but the question is: does it matter? Trump is a candidate who vents. Facts don’t matter to him. They may not matter to many who want to send an angry bully to Washington to beat up all those elitists there.

But are those kind of voters a majority? I just don’t see where he gets the minority votes he needs.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 6:41:08am

He thinks he won. Must be all that cocaine in the brain.

I won every poll from last nights Presidential Debate - except for the little watched @CNN poll.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:41:21am

re: #438 MsJ

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Well if his theme is that she’s low stamina, that didn’t work last night because she appeared to have a lot of it while he was sniffling.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:42:16am

re: #440 The Vicious Babushka

He thinks he won. Must be all that cocaine in the brain.

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Trump hasn’t gotten the memo. Pretty soon he’ll be back to complaining-not complaining about moderator Holt.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:43:10am

I look at it like this. She didn’t hurt herself at all last night from what I saw. He didn’t do anything to help his cause.

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Eventual Carrion Sep 27, 2016 • 6:44:04am

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Just like the winner he is.

No stamina.

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Jenner7 Sep 27, 2016 • 6:44:15am

Trump won all the online polls! That clearly means he won. C’mon libtards!

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:46:22am

She baited him pretty well. That Rosie O’Donnell thing was just weird. I think Clinton did a good job showing how out of touch with basic reality he is. As I said last night, she talked like someone who is prepared for the job. He came off as the really bad president in a B disaster movie.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 6:47:57am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

She baited him pretty well. That Rosie O’Donnell thing was just weird. I think Clinton did a good job showing how out of touch with basic reality he is. As I said last night, she talked like someone who is prepared for the job. He came off as the really bad president in a B disaster movie.

She played him like a fiddle.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 6:47:58am

I loved that GIF of Trump as a T-Rex with tiny arms and Hillary as a laser-eyed Mecha. Who has it?

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:50:36am

re: #439 Sir John Barron

But are those kind of voters a majority? I just don’t see where he gets the minority votes he needs.

I see him getting virtually no minority votes. That said, he may get some Cuban votes because they aren’t the wrong kind of Latinos (to them). He also may get some wealthy minority voters who vote like Caitlyn Jenner does…solely for perceive monetary gains.

I don’t see any kind of majority (or close majority or even major minority) of minority voters. Not in any way, shape or form.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 6:52:03am

Found it

Last night’s Debate #tcot #UniteBlue #StrongerTogether pic.twitter.com/6BieO61Dfh

— (((Beelzebabushka))) (@viciousbabushka) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 6:52:12am

re: #449 MsJ

I don’t see any kind of majority (or close majority or even major minority) of minority voters. Not in any way, shape or form.

What do you mean?

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lizardofid Sep 27, 2016 • 6:54:45am

re: #419 MsJ

Much of the social change you refer to is economic stability. Kids indebted to student loans for a lot of their initial working life is anti economic growth. Inability to spend any money, buy a house, etc., due to high rates of interest are nothing short of cutting off our economic noses to spite the US Economy.

We need a strong middle class to grow. Without a strong middle class we have virtually no economy.

I was glad to hear Hillary call Trump out for his attempt to resurrect the failure of “trickle down” economics. I’m no economist, but when some of my friends try to support such policies, I tell them that from what I understand, we are already at levels of wealth concentration in the country, (and perhaps globally) that you have to go back to great depression times to match. If common folk don’t have cash to spend, there is little demand, so things just remain locked up.

If you’ve ever played the old monopoly game, you know what happens when one person gets all the money. Everybody just goes to bed.

; )

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:56:10am

re: #449 MsJ

I see him getting virtually no minority votes. That said, he may get some Cuban votes because they aren’t the wrong kind of Latinos (to them). He also may get some wealthy minority voters who vote like Caitlyn Jenner does…solely for perceive monetary gains.

I don’t see any kind of majority (or close majority or even major minority) of minority voters. Not in any way, shape or form.

I think you’re right about that. No, I don’t see him doing well with minority voters at all. It really pisses me off how he talks about African-Americans and Hispanics as all living in an inner city hell.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 6:56:40am

TRUMP: SNIFF. SNIIIFFFF.
F**king mike! #tcot #UniteBlue https://t.co/z8Bw5e1ukN

— (((Beelzebabushka))) (@viciousbabushka) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 6:57:00am

re: #451 Sir John Barron

What do you mean?

A majority of certain groups. In the past, Republicans actually did quite well with Asian-American voters for example and in 2004, Bush got around 40% of the Hispanic vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 6:58:46am

re: #452 lizardofid

If you’ve ever played the old monopoly game, you know what happens when one person gets all the money. Everybody just goes to bed.

Except in real life, they all go to bed under a freeway overpass…

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 6:59:21am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

What did your right leaning family members think?

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:00:36am

re: #451 Sir John Barron

What do you mean?

I think Trump will get some minority votes. I do not think he will get any significant amount (the majority of minority voters or even a large number that would still fall into a minority of overall minority voters).

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FormerDirtDart Sep 27, 2016 • 7:00:44am

No stamina. She doesn’t have the stamina to be President.
Me, I have stamina. Tremendous stamina…

No rest for the weary. up and at em…. @HillaryClinton plane. pic.twitter.com/oxAYWmycT9

— Heidi Przybyla (@HeidiPrzybyla) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:01:35am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

A majority of certain groups. In the past, Republicans actually did quite well with Asian-American voters for example and in 2004, Bush got around 40% of the Hispanic vote.

Yes and I don’t see Trump getting anywhere near 40% of the Hispanic vote. None of the polls indicate that. Trump does worse than Bush or Romney with African American voters. And the share of Hispanic and African American voters is undoubtedly higher than in prior years. Voter restrictions in certain states could hurt the minority share of the vote. Maybe they won’t come out for Hillary at the rate they did for Obama. But it would still seems Trump has an awful lot of ground to make up with minority voters to win.

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Le Lapin Tueur Sep 27, 2016 • 7:02:02am

re: #418 lawhawk

He belongs in a white padded room getting mental health treatment.

You forgot that he should probably also be in the special shirt.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:02:14am

re: #452 lizardofid

I love that!

If you’ve ever played the old monopoly game, you know what happens when one person gets all the money. Everybody just goes to bed. #VOTE

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:02:43am

re: #460 Sir John Barron

Yes and I don’t see Trump getting anywhere near 40% of the Hispanic vote. None of the polls indicate that. Trump does worse than Bush or Romney with African American voters. And the share of Hispanic and African American voters is undoubtedly higher than in prior years. Voter restrictions in certain states could hurt the minority share of the vote. Maybe they won’t come out for Hillary at the rate they did for Obama. But it would still seems Trump has an awful lot of ground to make up with minority voters to win.

Yeah that’s what she’s saying.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 7:04:47am

Round of up media hot takes WHO WON THE FIRST DEBATE?

BBC: Clinton
Fortune: Clinton
CNN: Clinton
Washington Post: Clinton
NY Times: Clinton

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:05:00am

I agree though. Trump I think has a very low ceiling because he doesn’t appeal to certain voter segments at all. I also think the women’s vote especially will prove to be his undoing. There thankfully aren’t enough high school educated white guys to save him IMO. Personally, I’m glad that while my dad falls in arguably Trump’s biggest demographic- he’ll be 65+ and has a high school diploma, his way of thinking is totally different from the others in that group.

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Le Lapin Tueur Sep 27, 2016 • 7:05:26am

re: #420 MsJ

Trump: Lester Holt asked me some “unfair” and “hostile” questions

Well, why don’t you tell us which questions were hostile and unfair? And, explain why those questions were hostile and unfair.

**snork** like that’s gonna happen

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 7:05:43am

Baby Whiplash thinks Clinton Lied, he wasn’t paying attention to the fact checks because everyone knows FACT CHECKS ARE FOR LEFTISTS!!!!!!

Debate summary:
Hillary is a cold, calculated, congenital liar.
Trump is a moron and an unstable, insecure narcissist.
Well done, America.

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) September 27, 2016

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 7:06:27am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

Round of up media hot takes WHO WON THE FIRST DEBATE?

BBC: Clinton
Fortune: Clinton
CNN: Clinton
Washington Post: Clinton
NY Times: Clinton

Drudge: Trump - bigly.
WND: Trump yooge
That internet poll run by that group with no credibility: Trump in landslide.

And that CBS poll that doesn’t exist: Trump big.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:06:36am

If this terrorist were a Muslim, the remainder of CNN’s schedule this week would be televised direct from the scene https://t.co/An6lthyNNo

— CJ Werleman (@cjwerleman) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:06:53am

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash thinks Clinton Lied, he wasn’t paying attention to the fact checks because everyone knows FACT CHECKS ARE FOR LEFTISTS!!!!!!

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He’s such a whiny little brat.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:07:44am

re: #468 lawhawk

Drudge: Trump - bigly.
WND: Trump yooge
That internet poll run by that group with no credibility: Trump in landslide.

And that CBS poll that doesn’t exist: Trump big.

Sean Hannity thought Trump won too and we know from Trump how trustworthy he is.

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Ace-o-aces Sep 27, 2016 • 7:09:26am

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash thinks Clinton Lied, he wasn’t paying attention to the fact checks because everyone knows FACT CHECKS ARE FOR LEFTISTS!!!!!!

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I think Ben gets up every morning, looks at the news, puts his head in his ands and goes, “…should’ve stuck with the fucking violin!”

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 7:10:03am

re: #410 lawhawk

This happened a short time ago - house explosion in the Bronx. I’m going to go on a limb and say it was natural gas leak/explosion:

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New reports suggest it might have been a drug den, and it now appears that a firefighter was killed by falling debris.

Shit.

MORE: Firefighter killed by falling debris when suspected drug den explodes, officials say https://t.co/ta75jYYtQC @IdaSiegal4NY pic.twitter.com/IGNMkHPZrk

— NBC New York (@NBCNewYork) September 27, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 7:10:26am

re: #468 lawhawk

Drudge: Trump - bigly.
WND: Trump yooge
That internet poll run by that group with no credibility: Trump in landslide.

And that CBS poll that doesn’t exist: Trump big.

CNBC: Trump

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:10:57am

re: #472 Ace-o-aces

I think Ben gets up every morning, looks at the news, puts his head in his ands and goes, “…should’ve stuck with the fucking violin!”

I might feel bad for him a little if he wasn’t despite his denial part of the same machine that made Trump viable in the first place and as VB has said, his only beef with Trump is his delusional belief that Trump isn’t a true right winger and is in fact a “leftist.”

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 7:11:53am

Shitpost of the day==>

Trump Craps Himself #NeverGOP #UniteBlue #p2 #debatenight #debates #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/g0WFMX0w1n

— No 2 GOP (@_No2GOP) September 26, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:12:16am

re: #474 The Vicious Babushka

CNBC: Trump

an online poll. Are the other polls also online ones, even CNN?

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Nojay UK Sep 27, 2016 • 7:13:20am

re: #473 lawhawk

There’s a new street drug processing system out there that dissolves raw materials in butane (I think it’s a meth derivative). Add in naked flames from other parts of the process plus stupid people smoking while they work and the outlook is not good.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 7:14:08am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s YouTube’s helpful suggestion for a related video. I chuckled.

Do you want to know more?

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Eventual Carrion Sep 27, 2016 • 7:17:13am

re: #74 Big Beautiful Door

62% of debate watchers polled by CNN said Clinton won the debate, 27% Trump.. The watchers skewed 12 points Democratic, so knock that extra 12 off its still 50-27

That 27% number coming up again.

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Jayleia Sep 27, 2016 • 7:23:09am

re: #474 The Vicious Babushka

CNBC: Trump

CNBC, Fox News for people who think they’re rich.
Bloomberg, CNN for people that actually are rich.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:23:54am

re: #74 Big Beautiful Door

62% of debate watchers polled by CNN said Clinton won the debate, 27% Trump.. The watchers skewed 12 points Democratic, so knock that extra 12 off its still 50-27

re: #480 Eventual Carrion

That 27% number coming up again.

So, CNN says that debate watchers are 12% higher so they gear their coverage to the right.

Fox skews to the 27%. CNN the rest of the right?

I am so confused by this.

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Eventual Carrion Sep 27, 2016 • 7:24:01am

re: #94 Jenner7

KellyAnne on Fox. Says Donald was restraint for not bringing up Bill during debate.

How wonderful of him.

And Hill reciprocated by not mentioning all tRump’s dalliances with other women while married. Is there a name for whatever is wrong with this KellyAnne person, or is she un-diagnosed?

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:25:44am

re: #483 Eventual Carrion

And Hill reciprocated by not mentioning all tRump’s dalliances with other women while married. Is there a name for whatever is wrong with this KellyAnne person, or is she un-diagnosed?

i think to be prudent we cant in good conscience allow her near matches, scissors and other dangerous objects. to be safe, even soft cushions, cotton balls, and the like

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Jayleia Sep 27, 2016 • 7:25:53am

re: #483 Eventual Carrion

Is there a name for whatever is wrong with this KellyAnne person, or is she un-diagnosed?

Do you have a few hours to listen to me list things from the DSM-V?

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:27:10am

re: #483 Eventual Carrion

And Hill reciprocated by not mentioning all tRump’s dalliances with other women while married. Is there a name for whatever is wrong with this KellyAnne person, or is she un-diagnosed?

I am trying to imagine the path a “trump attacks Bill Clinton for his indiscretions” takes. I mean, what’s the simple comeback?

“I am sure I feel the same way Ivanka and Marla feel about a man cheating but that has nothing to do with….”?

Does he really think Hils will crumple into a crying fit at the mention of Bill cheating?

I don’t get the path or gain that he sees.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:28:24am

two interesting comments from over at politicalwire.com re how the media may/will handle trump going forward

IndependentLiberal Mr Burns • 18 minutes ago
My take: The media was taken advantage during last week’s birther announcement at his new DC hotel. Trump put up a bunch of people before hand to get free publicity. Then DT himself only spoke for 2 minutes and said nothing. Post press conference he proceeded to try and take the media on a tour of the hotel. Once the press pool figured out he was trying to use the video for free publicity, the pool collectively decided to delete it.

This was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

There is blood in the water for sure and the next 42 days will contain devastation of Trump in the press.

followed by:

Mr Burns IndependentLiberal • 11 minutes ago
Sadly I think you are right. The media doesn’t care when Trump insults the American people… but he went over the line by making them look stupid

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:30:08am

re: #486 MsJ

I am trying to imagine the path a “trump attacks Bill Clinton for his indiscretions” takes. I mean, what’s the simple comeback?

“I am sure I feel the same way Ivanka and Marla feel about a man cheating but that has nothing to do with….”?

Does he really think Hils will crumple into a crying fit at the mention of Bill cheating?

I don’t get the path or gain that he sees.

They really think that Bill’s adultery is somehow a negative reflection on Hillary. It speaks volumes about how they view women and victims of adultery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 7:30:37am

re: #487 dangerman

Mr Burns IndependentLiberal • 11 minutes ago
Sadly I think you are right. The media doesn’t care when Trump insults the American people… but he went over the line by making them look stupid

They will start to catch on that Trump is still ratings gold regardless of whether they are fawning over him or trashing him. And they are seeing that fawning over him just wins his contempt, not cooperation.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:31:15am

re: #486 MsJ

I am trying to imagine the path a “trump attacks Bill Clinton for his indiscretions” takes. I mean, what’s the simple comeback?

“I am sure I feel the same way Ivanka and Marla feel about a man cheating but that has nothing to do with….”?

Does he really think Hils will crumple into a crying fit at the mention of Bill cheating?

I don’t get the path or gain that he sees.

it’ll never happen (dkos):

…attack my husband for an affair he had 30 years ago. Mr. Trump, what in the HELL does my husband’s marital mistakes have to do with my fitness to be president? Or the lives of Americans struggling to make ends meet and get again. Or our policy towards our allies and adversaries. How DARE YOU of all people, a man who cheated on his first wife with his second, and his second with his third, all in the public eye, destroying your family to get your jollies with younger and younger super models, lecture on family values? Is this the value of a woman to you? Whether she can keep her man happy? I saw your tweet of [whatever date]. All American women and men saw that. Mr. Trump, I’ve been married to my husband for over 40 years, through good times and bad. I’m proud of my husband and my family. You want to talk about tough? Keep your family together through tough times, then we’ll see what kind of man you are.

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 7:31:44am

re: #438 MsJ

Clinton prevailing was a fair assessment, but the question is: does it matter?

That’s either:

Clinton won, but she’s a woman, so it doesn’t count.

Clinton won, but since the election wasn’t last night, she lost.

The writer knows Trump lost big, even though things had been set up for him:
1. The expectations were high for Clinton.
2. They were low for Trump.
3. The moderator was being told not to fact check.

If we keep those as the measurements of the debate, Clinton clearly won.

The question is, what does that win mean? Here’s what I think it means. She helped her campaign, and she hurt Trump’s as much as he hurt his himself. What it will translate into is a lot of Clinton supporters feeling good about her and how she will hold up in the remaining debates, and a few undecided people swinging her way. Is she going to win the jock vote that someone above was describing? No. But she was never going to anyway, so I’m not sad about that.

She did show she’s able to handle a debate, and handle the pressure that is Donald. I suspect there are a few more Republicans that won’t sweat Clinton being president now, even if they won’t vote for her.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 7:31:51am

re: #487 dangerman

There may be some truth in those allegations. Trump’s been playing the media for chumps for months now, but his clever ruse was exposed when he turned a press conference into a promotion for his new hotel.

I noticed he managed to work in the renovated post office cum hotel during the debate. He never misses a chance at self-promotion.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:32:12am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

They really think that Bill’s adultery is somehow a negative reflection on Hillary. It speaks volumes about how they view women and victims of adultery.

Also, too, Trumpster was whining this morning that Hillary “went into the past, years ago” to find the Miss Universe winner that Trump disparaged about her weight.

So, you know, for Hillary her entire life is fair game, for Trump, we aren’t supposed to look before June 2015, except to remark upon his yuuuuge money deals and wealth.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:32:20am

re: #489 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will start to catch on that Trump is still ratings gold regardless of whether they are fawning over him or trashing him. And they are seeing that fawning over him just wins his contempt, not cooperation.

the clickbait candidate

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:33:11am

re: #493 Sir John Barron

Also, too, Trumpster was whining this morning that Hillary “went into the past, years ago” to find the Miss Universe winner that Trump disparaged about her weight.

So, you know, for Hillary her entire life is fair game, for Trump, we aren’t supposed to look before June 2015, except to remark upon his yuuuuge money deals and wealth.

He’s such a fucking brat.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:33:27am

re: #494 dangerman

the clickbait candidate

Nah, Trump is the comment section candidate.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 7:34:19am

Trump denies that he was sniffling, blames a “bad mic” claims they did it on purpose

Trump complains that his microphone was malfunctioning during first presidential debate https://t.co/qKF2o0rIhN pic.twitter.com/C7XShnx9XV

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 27, 2016

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 7:34:51am

re: #486 MsJ

I am trying to imagine the path a “trump attacks Bill Clinton for his indiscretions” takes. I mean, what’s the simple comeback?

“I am sure I feel the same way Ivanka and Marla feel about a man cheating but that has nothing to do with….”?

Does he really think Hils will crumple into a crying fit at the mention of Bill cheating?

I don’t get the path or gain that he sees.

I liked the suggestion that Clinton could always ask Trump’s previous mistress, the one he’s married to now.

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Le Lapin Tueur Sep 27, 2016 • 7:35:03am

re: #486 MsJ

I am trying to imagine the path a “trump attacks Bill Clinton for his indiscretions” takes. I mean, what’s the simple comeback?

“I am sure I feel the same way Ivanka and Marla feel about a man cheating but that has nothing to do with….”?

Does he really think Hils will crumple into a crying fit at the mention of Bill cheating?

I don’t get the path or gain that he sees.

tRump is of the persuasion that believes that male indiscretion is the fault of the woman not properly satisfying her man. How any of that applies to Hillary is simple”

She’s not fit to be preznit ‘cuz she’s a girl AND she can’t keep her man happy, wut would she do to the country?

And, you use that word “think” and apply it to tRump. That is a major fallacy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 7:35:08am

re: #493 Sir John Barron

Also, too, Trumpster was whining this morning that Hillary “went into the past, years ago” to find the Miss Universe winner that Trump disparaged about her weight.

So, you know, for Hillary her entire life is fair game, for Trump, we aren’t supposed to look before June 2015, except to remark upon his yuuuuge money deals and wealth.

More like he publicly humiliated her by telling the press she went from 116 to 160 pounds, and even turned her private fitness workout into a media circus.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:35:11am

re: #491 Belafon

what she really showed is this aint beanbag and shes an effing champion at it
he showed he isnt

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:36:24am

re: #496 HappyWarrior

Nah, Trump is the comment section candidate.

this is definitely the year of the metaphor

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 27, 2016 • 7:37:06am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

Trump denies that he was sniffling, blames a “bad mic” claims they did it on purpose

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Then why did his face look like he was sniffing every time we heard the sound? Loser.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:37:26am

re: #493 Sir John Barron

Also, too, Trumpster was whining this morning that Hillary “went into the past, years ago” to find the Miss Universe winner that Trump disparaged about her weight.

So, you know, for Hillary her entire life is fair game, for Trump, we aren’t supposed to look before June 2015, except to remark upon his yuuuuge money deals and wealth.

His spokesmodel kellyanne actually said we should not consider anything trump said as a private citizen. I was like…

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Le Lapin Tueur Sep 27, 2016 • 7:37:50am

re: #493 Sir John Barron

So, you know, for Hillary her entire life is fair game, for Trump, we aren’t supposed to look before June 2015, except to remark upon his yuuuuge money deals and wealth.

We’re not supposed to recall what he said 30 seconds ago…

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:39:15am

re: #505 Le Lapin Tueur

We’re not supposed to recall what he said 30 seconds ago…

Apparently we are not. Also apparently, he can’t.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:39:56am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

Trump denies that he was sniffling, blames a “bad mic” claims they did it on purpose

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Kind of a silly thing to point out, the sniffling, but Trump has raised all the silly Clinton health “questions” so this is what he reaps.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:40:34am

re: #507 Sir John Barron

Kind of a silly thing to point out, the sniffling, but Trump has raised all the silly Clinton health “questions” so this is what he reaps.

Not to mention having his quack say he was in the best shape of anyone that ever sought the office.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 7:40:35am

The fact that The Deplorables are even more unhinged and desperate today is pretty much proof that Trump got his ass kicked by a woman last night.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:40:43am

re: #504 MsJ

His spokesmodel kellyanne actually said we should not consider anything trump said as a private citizen. I was like…

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Has Trump ever not been a “private citizen”? What a wacko election this has been.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:41:32am

re: #509 Dr. Matt

The fact that The Deplorables are even more unhinged and desperate today is pretty much proof that Trump got his ass kicked by a woman last night.

One of the deplorables, who has Deplorable in their Twitter name, referred to Clinton as a “Cxxx”. Very classy, these deplorables.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 7:42:12am

im just musing on the obvious

say trump sniffles last night werent cocaine induced.
and no, the mic thing is asinine

so the clock is now running on how long his campaign is blacking out his current medical condition

clinton took a day(!) with the pneumonia

whats trump hiding here and for how long?

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:42:59am

re: #510 Sir John Barron

Has Trump ever not been a “private citizen”? What a wacko election this has been.

Okay, let’s have it Conway’s way and look at what he’s said as a presidential candidate. “Look at that face”. When he was asked about that last night, he went into a weird rant about how HRC lacks stamina.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 7:43:02am

Just ask Sean Hannity! #Debates

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:43:31am

re: #514 Dr. Matt

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Better Call Sean

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 7:45:15am

re: #507 Sir John Barron

Kind of a silly thing to point out, the sniffling, but Trump has raised all the silly Clinton health “questions” so this is what he reaps.

That is exactly the point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 7:45:52am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Not to mention having his quack say he was in the best shape of anyone that ever sought the office.

Which is an empty statement to begin with. Has this doctor had access to all the other Presidents’ health records?

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 7:46:03am

[Media]HILLARY WON BUT IT WASN’T DEFINITIVE!!1! SHE’S GOING TO HAVE ADJUST GOING FORWARD!!1![/media]

(I am on the road, listening to WTOP, and mocking the moron commentators they keep having on when I stop somewhere.)

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 7:47:24am

Der Führer Trump didn’t perform too well according to his base:

Even Stormfront Thinks Hillary Clinton Won The Debate

Since being founded by a former Ku Klux Klan leader in 1996, Stormfront has been the internet’s premier destination for white nationalist and neo-Nazi keyboard warriors everywhere. And even they think Hillary Clinton won the debate tonight.

Click for the screen shots: theconcourse.deadspin.com

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:47:25am

re: #517 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is an empty statement to begin with. Has this doctor had access to all the other Presidents’ health records?

I’d wager to say that I don’t think we have the health records of all them. It was just such a weird statement to make. I mean it would have been one thing if the guy had said something like “Mr. Trump is in good health” or something to that effect but that kind of statement was just odd. Almost like Trump wrote it himself because of his constant one upmanship.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:48:14am

re: #519 Dr. Matt

Der Führer Trump didn’t perform too well according to his base:

Even Stormfront Thinks Hillary Clinton Won The Debate

That just proves Hillary is supported by Nazis./ / Hoft Logic.

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Jayleia Sep 27, 2016 • 7:49:00am

re: #517 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is an empty statement to begin with. Has this doctor had access to all the other Presidents’ health records?

Guarandamntee not.

Link 1

Link 2

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:51:15am

To me what makes Trump’s ravings so pathetic is that it’s one thing or the other. Something is either great (usually something he did or is involved with) or something is awful )someone or something against him or that he’s against.) He just rambled about how the Iranian deal was the worst deal in the history of international relations and didn’t bother to explain why.

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 7:51:59am

Giuliani: I wouldn’t debate again if I were Trump https://t.co/CKjB2ul3TW #debates pic.twitter.com/lFD5WkKrdn

— The Hill (@thehill) September 27, 2016

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I’d love to see Trump try to duck out of the Presidential debates. That would be hilarious.

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mmmirele Sep 27, 2016 • 7:52:17am

I guess Arizona must still be in play. I was just down in the work cafeteria where the TV is usually set to Fox 10 Phoenix and I saw the Clinton “Trump as an example to our girls” ad. I gave the TV a tight clenched fist as I walked out with my breakfast.

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 7:54:37am

re: #524 Lidane

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I’d love to see Trump try to duck out of the Presidential debates. That would be hilarious.

I can only imagine the ads from Clinton if he did.

“He won’t stand for a debate, how could he stand up for you?”

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 7:55:04am

Cinnamon Bread @KosherSoul pic.twitter.com/47fiZ5Lpsc

— (((Beelzebabushka))) (@viciousbabushka) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:55:11am

re: #524 Lidane

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I’d love to see Trump try to duck out of the Presidential debates. That would be hilarious.

Such courage.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 7:55:25am

The thing I found most odd about last night was Luntz’s focus group. He said that trump’s taxes outburst was bad but his Birther response was fatal.

That shocked me, really.

I would have thought the tax thing was the absolute worst thing he could have said. Most people (who are not in the 27%) understand what paying taxes means to them, their community, etc.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:55:46am

re: #525 mmmirele

I guess Arizona must still be in play. I was just down in the work cafeteria where the TV is usually set to Fox 10 Phoenix and I saw the Clinton “Trump as an example to our girls” ad. I gave the TV a tight clenched fist as I walked out with my breakfast.

That’s good.

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 7:56:34am

re: #524 Lidane

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I’d love to see Trump try to duck out of the Presidential debates. That would be hilarious.

My prediction is that he won’t back out of the second. He’ll convince himself that he just wasn’t aggressive enough and that he needs to attack more. When he tries that, Clinton will be smart enough to step out of his way when he tries to strike, and then punch him in the kidneys as he goes by.

Then, he’ll skip the third debate.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:57:14am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

Such courage.

Well one of the debates is supposed to be moderated by Chris Wallace of Fox. So I’d think he’d show up for that one.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 7:57:35am

re: #531 Belafon

My prediction is that he won’t back out of the second. He’ll convince himself that he just wasn’t aggressive enough and that he needs to attack more. When he tries that, Clinton will be smart enough to step out of his way when he tries to strike, and then punch him in the kidneys as he goes by.

Then, he’ll skip the third debate.

Is the second of third debate the one that Wallace of FNC is moderating? I am glad it’s Wallace and not Hume. Not big on Wallace but he’s more professional than Hume.

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makeitstop Sep 27, 2016 • 7:59:40am

‘Morning, Lizards,

Well, my vacation finally caught up to me last night, and I was in bed sleeping like a newborn by 8:30 and missed the entire debate. But it looks to have gone pretty much as expected.

That Mark Cuban clip perfectly illustrated how easily Trump can be taken off his game, and Trump’s (and his campaign’s) reaction this morning suggests that it’s the course that Clinton should stick with for the rest of the season.

The image that Trump projected throughout the primaries held when he was competing against the minor leaguers in the primaries, but now he’s up against one opponent who knows how campaigns work, and she’s backed up by a staff who now knows which buttons to push in order to reveal just what a bumbling amateur Trump really is. The image of his toughness is being stripped away layer by layer.

Note that Clinton’s surrogates are, by and large, relatively quiet this morning. They know by now that the best course of action is to piss him off and then stand back and let him do their work for him. Smart politics, period.

(An aside - now I gotta get back to work over here, but my mind is still in vacation mode. Halp.)

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 7:59:57am

re: #518 Timothy Watson

[Media]HILLARY WON BUT IT WASN’T DEFINITIVE!!1! SHE’S GOING TO HAVE ADJUST GOING FORWARD!!1![/media]

(I am on the road, listening to WTOP, and mocking the moron commentators they keep having on when I stop somewhere.)

Yeah they had someone from Tiger Beat on the Potomac this morning. The WTOP person mentioned the CNN who-won poll and the Politico reporter was just kinda well there aren’t a lot of undecided voters, probably no votes shifted, etc.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 8:00:17am

SMOTI:

Debate officials rigged cameras to make Hillary look presidential… pic.twitter.com/NEtUr6RmOw

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:01:27am

So Hillary’s “basket of deplorables” comment didn’t come up last night? Was she asked about Benghazi for the Eleventy-millionth time?

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:02:01am

re: #536 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI:

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Yet another example of how right wingers are babies who like to project themselves as tough guys. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah the camera made her look presidential. No, Jim, she acted presidential. She communicated like someone who has a firm grasp of the issues. Your guy meanwhile went on a rant about how everyone agrees that Rosie O’Donnell is awful.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:02:20am

re: #536 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI:

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Totally rigged! Rigged I tells ya!

This is surprisingly lame-bad even for Dim Jim.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:02:54am

Next Jim will complain that she only won because she prepared and Trump didn’t.

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 8:03:18am

re: #533 HappyWarrior

Is the second of third debate the one that Wallace of FNC is moderating? I am glad it’s Wallace and not Hume. Not big on Wallace but he’s more professional than Hume.

Wallace has the third debate. The next one is Anderson Cooper, IIRC.

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Jenner7 Sep 27, 2016 • 8:03:49am

“Anyone who complains about the microphone is not having a good night” —Clinton just now to the press. pic.twitter.com/fJpACqZ5VD

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:03:53am

The next debate is the Town Hall debate. I imagine there will be at least one “How come you let our four heroes in Benghazi die you b*%(#!!!!”? question.

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Dave In Austin Sep 27, 2016 • 8:04:03am

DONALD TRUMP’S COCAINE!!

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:04:38am

re: #540 HappyWarrior

Next Jim will complain that she only won because she prepared and Trump didn’t.

Cue yesterday’s SMOTI tweet about how Hillary was panicked and over-preparing.

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Jenner7 Sep 27, 2016 • 8:05:53am

Hillary’s been failing for 30 years in not getting the job done - it will never change.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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Uhhh, anyone see the problem?

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 8:06:36am

@gatewaypundit Your desperation is really showing Holf.

— jim (@jlcoffeecup) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:06:48am

re: #546 Jenner7

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Uhhh, anyone see the problem?

Trump is bad a math? Also, an idiot.

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Joe Bacon Sep 27, 2016 • 8:06:54am

re: #426 MsJ

Once again proving that religion is a bullshit GOP talking point.

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Of course the Religious Right backs Trump because he’s their Brother In Ayn Rand!

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 27, 2016 • 8:07:08am

re: #546 Jenner7

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Uhhh, anyone see the problem?

Basic math is not Trump’s strong suit

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b.d. Sep 27, 2016 • 8:10:19am

Trump won the debate!

Holt is a Dem!

Bad Mic!

Bad cameras!

Lousy questions for Trump

Softballs for Hillary!

Trump should not debate again!

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:10:31am

re: #541 Lidane

Wallace has the third debate. The next one is Anderson Cooper, IIRC.

Gotcha, thanks.

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 8:11:10am

re: #541 Lidane

Wallace has the third debate. The next one is Anderson Cooper, IIRC.

Cooper and someone from CBS. I forget her name.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:11:20am

re: #551 b.d.

Trump won the debate!

Holt is a Dem!

Bad Mic!

Bad cameras!

Lousy questions for Trump

Softballs for Hillary!

Trump should not debate again!

In otherwords, same old right wing bullshit excuses. As I’ve said for a bunch of self fancied tough guys who hate that we’re now a nation of complainers, wingnuts do a ton of complaining.

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 8:11:59am

re: #536 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI:

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“The camera added 20 presidential years.”

And yet, somehow, Trump still came out looking childish.

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b.d. Sep 27, 2016 • 8:12:01am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

In otherwords, same old right wing bullshit excuses. As I’ve said for a bunch of self fancied tough guys who hate that we’re now a nation of complainers, wingnuts do a ton of complaining.

They are the party of personal responsibility though.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:12:19am

re: #551 b.d.

Trump won the debate!

Holt is a Dem!

Bad Mic!

Bad cameras!

Lousy questions for Trump

Softballs for Hillary!

Trump should not debate again!

It really is very sad. Sad!

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:13:29am

re: #526 Timothy Watson

I can only imagine the ads from Clinton if he did.

“He won’t stand for a debate, how could he stand up for you?”

anybody not asleep already sees this one coming
many of the rest are probably dreaming about it

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:13:38am

re: #555 Belafon

“The camera added 20 presidential years.”

And yet, somehow, Trump still came out looking childish.

Hillary is pretty good at the debating thing.

Her speechifying can use some work (I thought her convention speech was meh). But she can do the debate thing.

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:14:12am

The Architect Trump Screwed Over

According to Tesoro, Trump said, “I don’t really think I should pay any more because I’ve already spent too much on that building.” Then Trump’s attorney told Tesoro that while the law was likely in his favor if the case went to court, the legal fees would bury him even deeper financially.

(According to a Forbes interview with Tesoro, the disputed bill was $140,000; Trump paid $25,000.)

Trump, the cheapskate cheat.

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 8:14:36am

re: #546 Jenner7

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Uhhh, anyone see the problem?

Everyone knows that Hillary was really in charge during Reagan’s second term.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:16:50am

Trump complains about “political hacks” but yet his running mate is a guy who was elected to Washington the same year HRC was. And honestly I find his obsession about the generals and admirals knowing “best” terrifying. There is thankfully civilian control of the military in this coutnry for a good reason.

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 8:19:04am

pic.twitter.com/sNg02A1mD5

— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:19:05am

re: #562 HappyWarrior

Trump complains about “political hacks” but yet his running mate is a guy who was elected to Washington the same year HRC was. And honestly I find his obsession about the generals and admirals knowing “best” terrifying. There is thankfully civilian control of the military in this coutnry for a good reason.

Yeah but he doesn’t like the generals either. Only Trump can save us by himself.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:20:01am

re: #560 jaunte

The Architect Trump Screwed Over

(According to a Forbes interview with Tesoro, the disputed bill was $140,000; Trump paid $25,000.)

Trump, the cheapskate cheat.

Trump, the cheapskate thief.

(just helping out)
and ps re the evangelical voters who support him (not thieving is one of the big 10)

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:20:23am

re: #564 Sir John Barron

Yeah but he doesn’t like the generals either. Only Trump can save us by himself.

The only generals he likes are the mythological images he has of Pershing, Patton, and MacArthur.

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 8:20:55am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

The only generals he likes are the mythological images he has of Pershing, Patton, and MacArthur.

He has a list, remember?

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:21:15am

re: #565 dangerman

re the evangelical voters who support him (not thieving is one of the big 10)

Probably their #1 ignored prohibition, if prosperity gospel preachers are any gauge.

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:22:42am

Keep making excuses for the awful @realdonaldtrump whose personality and charm shone thru. He’s incompetent and unprepared. @gatewaypundit

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:23:04am

“It angers me,” says @VP at Clinton Rally about Trump may not have paid taxes. “Tell that to the janitor here who’s paying taxes.” pic.twitter.com/QPN0Cop8UM

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:23:33am

re: #568 jaunte

Probably their #1 ignored prohibition, if prosperity gospel preachers are any gauge.

without going to far afield, they hit that coveting thing pretty well
and adultery
oh, and the false witness

(this could take a while)

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retired cynic Sep 27, 2016 • 8:23:41am

re: #483 Eventual Carrion

And Hill reciprocated by not mentioning all tRump’s dalliances with other women while married. Is there a name for whatever is wrong with this KellyAnne person, or is she un-diagnosed?

Yes. He met her price.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:24:18am

re: #546 Jenner7

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Uhhh, anyone see the problem?

Trump’s not real good at writing sentences, understanding double negatives, etc.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:24:32am

re: #569 lawhawk

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when there’s nothing good you can say about your guy…

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:27:03am

me today pic.twitter.com/hSprcLj0Wk

— Michael Rusch (@weeddude) September 27, 2016

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Dragonomics Sep 27, 2016 • 8:32:29am

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:32:58am

Funny, but @brithume looks like he’s a news reader, but not necessarily a journalist. @Mediaite

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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Lots of BS like this - Clinton did well, but didn’t look presidential. Or composed, but not attractive.

Hey, spin that shit around to Trump. Would you ever say that about a guy? No.

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:33:19am

“show me trump saying he has the temperament to be president one more time” pic.twitter.com/taasiFFw1S

— sean. (@SeanMcElwee) September 27, 2016

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The only winner tonight is the Voyager probe, which is speeding away from the Earth at 17 kilometers/second #debatenight

— Maddie Stone (@themadstone) September 27, 2016

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 8:33:20am

re: #541 Lidane

Wallace has the third debate. The next one is Anderson Cooper, IIRC.

Out of curiosity, is Wallace an Ailes man? Was he one who is considering leaving when Ailes was shown the door?

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:35:06am

re: #577 lawhawk

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Lots of BS like this - Clinton did well, but didn’t look presidential. Or composed, but not attractive.

Hey, spin that shit around to Trump. Would you ever say that about a guy? No.

Yeah let’s have Brit Hume who has a permanent scowl on his face lecture us on what’s attractive. So sick of this shit. She was dealing with an opponent whose made a mockery of the election.

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:35:35am

After cautious optimism, doctors now believe #ShimonPeres’ condition is irreversible https://t.co/2QoHAVXRrr

— haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:36:22am

apparently now its “trump was/is saving it for the next debate”

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:36:56am

re: #582 dangerman

apparently now its “trump was/is saving it for the next debate”

Excuses excuses. Pathetic.

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:37:01am

re: #582 dangerman

Like he’s saving it for his fourth marriage.

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BeachDem Sep 27, 2016 • 8:37:27am

re: #493 Sir John Barron

Also, too, Trumpster was whining this morning that Hillary “went into the past, years ago” to find the Miss Universe winner that Trump disparaged about her weight.

So, you know, for Hillary her entire life is fair game, for Trump, we aren’t supposed to look before June 2015, except to remark upon his yuuuuge money deals and wealth.

Kellyanne even came out and said we can’t look at something he said as a “private citizen,” which makes no sense at all, because he’s never held office, so everything that comes out of that yam piehole is said by a private citizen.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:37:33am

re: #577 lawhawk

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Lots of BS like this - Clinton did well, but didn’t look presidential. Or composed, but not attractive.

Hey, spin that shit around to Trump. Would you ever say that about a guy? No.

the woman is going to smash the glass ceiling while tied to a boat anchor

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garzooma Sep 27, 2016 • 8:38:42am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

Trump denies that he was sniffling, blames a “bad mic” claims they did it on purpose

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Why didn’t Gore think of this?

Or even Rick Perry: “That blanking out thing? Bad mic.”

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:39:21am

re: #584 jaunte

Like he’s saving it for his fourth marriage.

The campaign has just given him the ability to search out for the next woman to do a job no American would do. /

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Stanley Sea Sep 27, 2016 • 8:39:45am

Probably been posted, but worth the watch

Trump victim: Alicia Machado | The Briefing

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:39:59am

re: #585 BeachDem

Kellyanne even came out and said we can’t look at something he said as a “private citizen,” which makes no sense at all, because he’s never held office, so everything that comes out of that yam piehole is said by a private citizen.

Yeah saw that. That’s just bizarre. And he’s actually technically been in the public spotlight longer than she has too. His whole “I’m an outsider” schtick is a fraud.

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:40:18am

pic.twitter.com/Xs8F54PAu0

— darth™ (@darth) September 27, 2016

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calochortus Sep 27, 2016 • 8:40:19am

A slightly different take on Trump’s snuffling. I thought he was indicating disdain with his sniffs. Whether it was an unconscious thing or just a terribly overdone affectation that he didn’t realize was picked up so audibly, I don’t know. It might have been effective subliminally if he had toned it down.
Even the folks at FR commented on it-though they were wondering if the sound system had been tweaked to highlight it rather than wondering why all the sniffing. And this was during the debate, so they weren’t picking up on Trump’s complaint.

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Kragar Sep 27, 2016 • 8:40:46am

Clinton: “Black men are charged for crimes white men get away with.”

Trump: “I don’t pay taxes.” #TrumpWon pic.twitter.com/aHktpNBSBi

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 27, 2016

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 8:40:53am

Someone needs to pull up his big boy pants and grow a pair:

It’s over. Trump, the egoist, the racist, the narcissist, the liar, “won.” We all lost. His numbers will go up. She told the truth. So what.

— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:42:21am

A comment from CNN’s focus group stuck w/ me: Hillary “took control of the situation.” Trump did not look in-charge. https://t.co/2KMQkdSrfE

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) September 27, 2016

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Hillary In Control vs. Little Mr. Can’t-Be-Wrong

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:42:25am

re: #585 BeachDem

Kellyanne even came out and said we can’t look at something he said as a “private citizen,” which makes no sense at all, because he’s never held office, so everything that comes out of that yam piehole is said by a private citizen.

aside that hes always been a self promoted public figure, her moronic idea is that nothing matters until he started running for office

yeah, moronic

although if that’s the case, then i guess everything before clinton started running for senator is off the table too?

i mean equivalency, right?

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:42:39am

re: #594 Lidane

Someone needs to pull up his big boy pants and grow a pair:

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Somehow I doubt he would be saying this if his candidate of choice was up there. I’m sorry. I know some of you guys like Moore but this is exactly why I do not. She did what she had to and prepared for the debate and I must say made a very positive impression of me and Moore’s bitching.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 27, 2016 • 8:43:48am

re: #527 The Vicious Babushka

My mailbox does not appear to have any.

I has a sad.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:43:59am

re: #587 garzooma

Why didn’t Gore think of this?

Or even Rick Perry: “That blanking out thing? Bad mic.”

perry woulda had the best chance
“i really did say something. no one heard it”

forget no lips moving and all - i earned my way through college as a ventriloquist

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 8:46:05am

FUN FACT: Online debate polls that contradict scientific managed polls are the result of “poll flippin’.” (Software/Multiple Accts) pic.twitter.com/FoTPRAaJit

— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:46:21am

re: #592 calochortus

A slightly different take on Trump’s snuffling. I thought he was indicating disdain with his sniffs. Whether it was an unconscious thing or just a terribly overdone affectation that he didn’t realize was picked up so audibly, I don’t know. It might have been effective subliminally if he had toned it down.
Even the folks at FR commented on it-though they were wondering if the sound system had been tweaked to highlight it rather than wondering why all the sniffing. And this was during the debate, so they weren’t picking up on Trump’s complaint.

real time punking or like they *knew* it was gonna happen and machievelli-like “rigged” it in advance? ooh, the brilliance

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 8:46:51am

re: #594 Lidane

Someone needs to pull up his big boy pants and grow a pair:

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“She wasn’t trying to win over the angry white man vote! Like me!”

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:48:12am

re: #594 Lidane

Someone needs to pull up his big boy pants and grow a pair:

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its the first amendment at its best mr moore
he got to “speak”
she spoke the truth

chips fall unless you get off your ass and help

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 8:48:59am

This had to hurt since he was only just now coming out as pro-Trump https://t.co/uYM1RRqyHn

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 27, 2016

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conservative columnist @jpodhoretz: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters https://t.co/qFtrGkoyXK via @nypost

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) September 27, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Sep 27, 2016 • 8:49:20am

A live fact-checking site fact-checked that Trump was lying about having a live fact-checking site. #debatenight pic.twitter.com/k94nvpAW04

— James Fritz (@fritzisdead) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:49:37am

re: #602 Belafon

“She wasn’t trying to win over the angry white man vote! Like me!”

He’s been saying loudly that she’s going to lose and we’re doomed for months. I get the impression that Mike just seems to relish in creating this we’re doomed narrative all the while his own socioeconomic status remains unchanged. There’s no optimism or hope at all with this guy. I used to like Moore once upon a time but he’s proven himself to be quite bitter.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:49:49am

re: #595 jaunte

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I think that’s what’s been missing, or at least the fact that Trump seems so capable of driving the news cycle. I think that’s what hurt other Republicans in the GOP primary and has nagged at Clinton so far. But the debate stage is where this is reversed. Trump’s mediocre debating didn’t hurt him in the primaries because he was already ahead. For most of the general election campaign he’s been behind. Combine his laziness in preparing with over confidence from recent polling and you get the Trump of last night.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 8:49:58am

I haven’t seen anyone catch this bit of ignorance from DJT. But a VAT is not a tariff — domestic goods also pay it, doesn’t distort trade pic.twitter.com/v8hlI2n0v2

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:50:41am

re: #604 MsJ

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:51:04am

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:51:07am

re: #605 FormerDirtDart

Meta-facts

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:52:18am

re: #606 HappyWarrior

He’s been saying loudly that she’s going to lose and we’re doomed for months. I get the impression that Mike just seems to relish in creating this we’re doomed narrative all the while his own socioeconomic status remains unchanged. There’s no optimism or hope at all with this guy. I used to like Moore once upon a time but he’s proven himself to be quite bitter.

Yeah I don’t know why Mike is whining and so negative. Maybe because he just really isn’t a Democrat. He wants an Independent revolutionary to win and he hasn’t gotten that, and won’t get that.

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 8:52:32am

Heh.

When you asked him a question you already know the answer to & you’re just waiting on him to finish lying so you call pull out receipts pic.twitter.com/GpGbnxkEMr

— Tora Shae (@BlackMajiik) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 8:53:24am

re: #613 Lidane

Heh.

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[Embedded content]When you asked him a question you already know the answer to & you’re just waiting on him to finish lying so you call pull out receipts

yeah but lie, even when they say they have proof/pictures….

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 8:53:30am

When you see that #TrumpWon Is trending but you realize most of the tweets are just ppl mocking him pic.twitter.com/2CfFaU1mna

— Geeks Of Color (@GeeksOfColor) September 27, 2016

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Like….

#TrumpWon Nope. Still didn’t win. pic.twitter.com/SDoIFwRDTh

— Action (@BoneKnightmare) September 27, 2016

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:54:08am

Newt Gingrich: “I worked with Bill Clinton… Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton.” https://t.co/0S2uhSVFSp pic.twitter.com/xVtFlHIolB

— CNN (@CNN) September 27, 2016

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Bless your cheating hearts.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:54:42am

re: #612 Sir John Barron

Yeah I don’t know why Mike is whining and so negative. Maybe because he just really isn’t a Democrat. He wants an Independent revolutionary to win and he hasn’t gotten that, and won’t get that.

That’s true. Honestly, I’m just sick of his constant whining and negativity. I admit too that I have a special dislike for him since he just dismissed Tim Kaine as a swing state centrist governor without bothering to read up about Tim and his accomplishments.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:55:43am

re: #616 lawhawk

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Bless your cheating hearts.

NEwt’s pathetic.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 8:56:12am

HE WON ALL TEH POLLS!!!!111

Such a great honor. Final debate polls are in - and the MOVEMENT wins!#AmericaFirst #MAGA #ImWithYou https://t.co/3KWOl2ibaW pic.twitter.com/sfCEE3I5pF

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 8:56:53am

LOL:

Clinton: It doesn’t bother me if @realDonaldTrump doesn’t show up to next debate https://t.co/4Biuj3eIhH | Getty pic.twitter.com/tF6cMOEpOb

— POLITICO (@politico) September 27, 2016

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 27, 2016 • 8:57:19am

What is the goddamn point of online polls? Oh, right, clicks.

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 8:57:32am

Oh Rudy… you’ve caught Trumpitis haven’t you. The ability to engage in coherent thought.

That must explain why .@rudygiulianiGOP thought @realdonaldtrump should skip remaining debates. @HillaryClinton beat him soundly @politico

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 8:58:51am

re: #622 lawhawk

Oh Rudy… you’ve caught Trumpitis haven’t you. The ability to engage in coherent thought.

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Rudy’s really turned into a bitter old bastard hasn’t he? I admit I never was a big fan but he seemed tolerable for a Republican at one time.

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 8:59:02am

No cold, no allergies: Trump denies he was sniffling during the debate. https://t.co/Whr9SjxHAB

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) September 27, 2016

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 8:59:26am

re: #619 The Vicious Babushka

Such a great honor. Final debate polls are in - and the MOVEMENT wins!#AmericaFirst #MAGA #ImWithYouhttps://t.co pic.twitter.com
— Donald J. Trump

Meanwhile, all the Deplorables on Twitter all like:

If Trump loses we riot! Constitutional revolt! Take Back Our Government!

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 9:00:19am

People who believe #TrumpWon also believe Obama is a Muslim; Trump is a Christian; climate change is a hoax; and snakes can talk.

— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) September 27, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 9:00:33am

re: #536 The Vicious Babushka

Debate officials rigged cameras to make Hillary look presidential…

Yes, Presidentiality is an objectively quantifiable trait, and if you analyze the debates frame by frame, you will see that Hillary’s Presidentality Index is 17% above Trump, when it should be several points lower…

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:00:38am

The Republican presidential nominee sounded like he was sniffling — and loudly — through much of the presidential debate Monday, eliciting comments and jokes on social media. The hashtag #sniffle became popular on Twitter.
But asked about that in a phone interview Tuesday morning on “Fox & Friends,” Trump denied there was any sniffling.

He said the microphone was very bad, “but maybe it was good enough to hear breathing. But there was no sniffles.”

Snork.

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Romantic Heretic Sep 27, 2016 • 9:01:34am

re: #568 jaunte

Probably their #1 ignored prohibition, if prosperity gospel preachers are any gauge.

It’s not theft if they give it to you.

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:01:59am

“Damned microphones picked up everything I said.”

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 9:02:17am

It takes three pages in size 10.5 font to describe Trump’s 34 false claims from the debate. #TrumpCheck pic.twitter.com/g0XE5dY3kk

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 27, 2016

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The debate fact check is ugly for Trump. Nonstop whoppers.

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 9:03:45am

🏆🏆🏆

If there’s anything #TrumpWon last night, it was the award for manterrupter in chief: pic.twitter.com/pFxjsbyqSf

— Fusion (@Fusion) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:04:08am

re: #631 lawhawk

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The debate fact check is ugly for Trump. Nonstop whoppers.

And when he wasn’t lying, he was exposing what an ugly little handed man he really is.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:05:11am

the new republic

If after this debate millions of previously undecided people walk away with the impression that Trump is fit to be president, or is an empathic and tolerant man, it won’t be because we misjudged him. It’ll be evidence of a catastrophic media failure.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 9:05:22am

Baby Whiplash is all HURR HURR TRUMP IS A LEFTIST!!!!11!!!

6 Conservative Positions Trump Abandoned In The Debate https://t.co/ub1e83WDUM pic.twitter.com/VwNrFOoIEy

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:05:45am

“This election has reinforced that a guy’s ignorance will still be given the same weight as a woman’s experience.”

Facebook Post

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:06:07am

re: #624 jaunte

what medical condition is he hiding?

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 9:06:38am

The problem wasn’t Trump’s mic. The problem was Trump’s mouth.

— Harold Itzkowitz (@HaroldItz) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:06:41am

re: #637 dangerman

Chronic mouthbreathing.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:10:33am

re: #635 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is all HURR HURR TRUMP IS A LEFTIST!!!!11!!!

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I’ll remind Ben that conservative Republican presidents and Congresses were responsible for the protectionist era on trade in the 20’s. Trade isn’t a left or right issue. As for guns, well what does it tell yo Ben that the NRA still supports him? Face it, Ben, Trump is a right winger, he’s one of yours and you only hate him because he’s not subtle about what others are when it comes to your fucked up agenda.

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 9:14:34am

re: #635 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is all HURR HURR TRUMP IS A LEFTIST!!!!11!!!

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@benshapiro Well Trump supporters seem to agree with him by their continued support, just maybe those conservative positions suck.

— jim (@jlcoffeecup) September 27, 2016

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BeachDem Sep 27, 2016 • 9:15:13am

There were two presidents on that stage. One was Hillary Rodham Clinton and the other one was Lester Holt. There also was a curiosity—a walking YouTube comment thread who knew nothing, cared less, and didn’t even notice when he was setting his own feet on fire.

esquire.com

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:16:34am

re: #641 Tigger2

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Or maybe just maybe your ideology and its adherents care more about scapegoating the other than things like free trade, free markets, etc. But nah it has to be that Trump is actually a leftist. Face it Benny, he’s all yours. Just because he’s a paleocon in the Pat Buchanan mold doesn’t make him a leftist. Pat Buchanan hates free trade deals too and no one would call him a leftist.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:17:23am

re: #642 BeachDem

There were two presidents on that stage. One was Hillary Rodham Clinton and the other one was Lester Holt. There also was a curiosity—a walking YouTube comment thread who knew nothing, cared less, and didn’t even notice when he was setting his own feet on fire.

esquire.com

I thought Lester did a good job of calling Trump out when he was wrong. I especially liked how he handled Trump lying about stop and frisk being ruled unconstitutional.

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BeachDem Sep 27, 2016 • 9:17:39am

And, whatever you may think about HRC, she gave you all the respect of actually preparing for the debate.

esquire.com

Please forward to Chuck Todd.

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:17:40am

Some Houston taco trucks to serve as voter registration booths: Two Houston organizations on Monday launched a… https://t.co/JqtMZIEFW2

— Montrose Buzz (@MontroseBuzz) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:18:58am

re: #643 HappyWarrior

Or maybe just maybe your ideology and its adherents care more about scapegoating the other than things like free trade, free markets, etc. But nah it has to be that Trump is actually a leftist. Face it Benny, he’s all yours. Just because he’s a paleocon in the Pat Buchanan mold doesn’t make him a leftist. Pat Buchanan hates free trade deals too and no one would call him a leftist.

we just wanna win. we dont give a damn about policy

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:19:07am

re: #645 BeachDem

And, whatever you may think about HRC, she gave you all the respect of actually preparing for the debate.

esquire.com

Please forward to Chuck Todd.

She showed that she actually had respect for the office she was seeking. As I said. She acted like a leader. Trump meanwhile acted what you expect the comically bad president to do in an alien invasion movie.

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Barefoot Grin Sep 27, 2016 • 9:19:34am

Makes no sense, but when I hear “Call Hannity” I think of this

Television - Call Mr Lee

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:19:38am

re: #647 dangerman

we just wanna win. we dont give a damn about policy

The sooner Ben finds that out about his fellow conservatives, the more at peace he’ll be with what he’s attached himself to.

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danarchy Sep 27, 2016 • 9:19:47am

re: #624 jaunte

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I got to admit, all the attention to the sniffing has me a bit bemused. He has literally been doing that at every speech and event he has done since he entered the race. I know because it has annoyed the hell out of me. Just wondering why all of a sudden it is a thing. I mean whatever, mock away, just trying to figure out what critical mass was reached that caused it to explode.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:20:17am

re: #646 jaunte

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Damn I wish I could say I registered at a taco truck. I only registered in high school.

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 9:20:51am

re: #643 HappyWarrior

Or maybe just maybe your ideology and its adherents care more about scapegoating the other than things like free trade, free markets, etc. But nah it has to be that Trump is actually a leftist. Face it Benny, he’s all yours. Just because he’s a paleocon in the Pat Buchanan mold doesn’t make him a leftist. Pat Buchanan hates free trade deals too and no one would call him a leftist.

Yep the base of the GOP has moved on, They are now a radical hate everyone and everything party.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:21:07am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

She showed that she actually had respect for the office she was seeking. As I said. She acted like a leader. Trump meanwhile acted what you expect the comically bad president to do in an alien invasion movie.

plan 9?
killer tomatoes?
when mars attacks?

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 9:21:18am

re: #637 dangerman

what medical condition is he hiding?

Chronic dumbassery.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:21:25am

re: #653 Tigger2

Yep the base of the GOP has moved on, They are now a radical hate everyone and everything party.

Yep.

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Mike Lamb Sep 27, 2016 • 9:21:36am

re: #536 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI:

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Meaning they were on and running.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 9:22:06am

re: #654 dangerman

plan 9?
killer tomatoes?
when mars attacks?

Ha didn’t give it that much thought but I only have seen Mars Attacks of those three.

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:22:30am

re: #651 danarchy

Maybe the immediate contrast with a non-sniffy speaker, or the fact that a lot of people who hadn’t watched him closely before really did last night.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:23:20am

re: #650 HappyWarrior

The sooner Ben finds that out about his fellow conservatives, the more at peace he’ll be with what he’s attached himself to.

and if the conservative rank and file ever wake to the fact that focusing on winning rather than policy will never get them what they want…

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BeachDem Sep 27, 2016 • 9:24:11am

One more from Pierce:

He also claimed that “they” had given him a defective mic, by which he might have meant that it actually worked.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:25:08am

re: #651 danarchy

I got to admit, all the attention to the sniffing has me a bit bemused. He has literally been doing that at every speech and event he has done since he entered the race. I know because it has annoyed the hell out of me. Just wondering why all of a sudden it is a thing. I mean whatever, mock away, just trying to figure out what critical mass was reached that caused it to explode.

so youre saying he didnt just start using cocaine before the debate?

and the answer is probably 100M simultaneous viewers

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:28:32am

re: #658 HappyWarrior

Ha didn’t give it that much thought but I only have seen Mars Attacks of those three.

track em down
you wont regret it. well, you will…..but you wont….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 9:30:01am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

She showed that she actually had respect for the office she was seeking. As I said. She acted like a leader. Trump meanwhile acted what you expect the comically bad president to do in an alien invasion movie.

People who support Trump hate politicians and politics as usual: they expect their candidate to display a similar level of disrespect for the office.

Sick fucks, all…

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MsJ Sep 27, 2016 • 9:31:07am

re: #651 danarchy

I got to admit, all the attention to the sniffing has me a bit bemused. He has literally been doing that at every speech and event he has done since he entered the race. I know because it has annoyed the hell out of me. Just wondering why all of a sudden it is a thing. I mean whatever, mock away, just trying to figure out what critical mass was reached that caused it to explode.

I never noticed it before. And I didn’t notice it last night. Maybe my older ears don’t pick up the Hz or something.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 9:34:01am

So last night Hillary ripped that hair fluff off Trump’s head, mopped the floor with it & then made him eat it #tcot #UniteBlue #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/vme7oaY0OS

— (((Beelzebabushka))) (@viciousbabushka) September 27, 2016

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garzooma Sep 27, 2016 • 9:34:44am

re: #659 jaunte

Maybe the immediate contrast with a non-sniffy speaker, or the fact that a lot of people who hadn’t watched him closely before really did last night.

Speaking for myself, it was #2. I avoided watching Trump as much as possible, until last night, when I basically had to.

The other thing — it’s one thing to notice something. It’s another thing to be aware that everyone else has noticed it, too. This means when you talk about it, your audience will know what you’re talking about.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 9:35:02am

SMOTI’S HOT BREAKING POOP SCOOP==>

VIDEO=> Secret Service Flashed Lights on Floor for Hillary Leaving Debate – Like Those Used for Parkinson’s Patients https://t.co/1KsvaA2o4u

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:36:10am

re: #664 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People who support Trump hate politicians and politics as usual: they expect their candidate to display a similar level of disrespect for the office.

Sick fucks, all…

you know disrespect is one thing
demonstrating incompetence and no grasp of the job…

gah

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:37:54am

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING: HIllary used hallway designed to Americans With Disabilities Act standards!

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:38:24am

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI’S HOT BREAKING POOP SCOOP==>

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you know last week i mused whether he was an idiot
you all confirmed he was an idiot

i think its time to go clinical

he’s a loon

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b.d. Sep 27, 2016 • 9:39:29am

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI’S HOT BREAKING POOP SCOOP==>

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C’mon Jim, say it!!!

Trump gets badly beaten by woman barely clinging to life!

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:39:41am

re: #670 jaunte

BREAKING: HIllary used hallway designed to Americans With Disabilities Act standards!

walked down the ramp, didnt use the stairs….

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:42:21am

Trump’s whining about Lester Holt.

He didn’t ask her about the Benghazi deal that she destroyed,” Trump said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

“the Benghazi Deal”

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 9:43:07am

Trump knows a few words, the best words. Deal, negotiate, win.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 9:45:08am

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 9:45:09am

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI’S HOT BREAKING POOP SCOOP==>

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WOW!

LOLz

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Dave In Austin Sep 27, 2016 • 9:46:19am

Facebook Video

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 9:46:45am

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI’S HOT BREAKING POOP SCOOP==>

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SMOTI is desperate for some Drudge love.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 9:50:04am

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Lidane Sep 27, 2016 • 9:52:36am

A+ tweet, would ROFL again:

“#TrumpWon” is a hoax perpetuated by the Chinese.

— Dreamweasel (@Dreamweasel) September 27, 2016

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 9:53:09am

Two funny tweets from last night:

.@realDonaldTrump, you’re coming off really defensive. you really should smile more. #debatenight #Debates2016 #ImWithHer pic.twitter.com/Wwtkkl5cby

— NARAL (@NARAL) September 27, 2016

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The message from this debate: Never bring a Cheeto to a knife fight. #debates

— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) September 27, 2016

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 9:53:31am

Common side effects of cocaine abuse include:

*Irritation
*Anxiety.
*Extremely talkative
*Psychosis.
*Legal problems.
*Erratic, bizarre behaviors
*Chronically runny nose
*Break from reality
*Unable to exert good judgment

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wrenchwench Sep 27, 2016 • 9:56:46am

re: #678 Dave In Austin

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Barefoot Grin Sep 27, 2016 • 10:00:30am

Have they tracked down Trump’s stamina dealer yet?

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 10:01:45am

re: #683 Dr. Matt

Cocaine’s too rich for his tastes. More likely to use crack. Meth?

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Interesting Times Sep 27, 2016 • 10:02:32am

Ha:

Let me summarize this night for you so far. #debates pic.twitter.com/Clti75SwsD

— Justin (@JustinCentric) September 27, 2016

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_{Except the frog should’ve been Pepe.}

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:03:55am

re: #687 Interesting Times

Ha:

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i said yesterday they were going make her use both sides of the paper and show her work

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 10:04:46am

re: #687 Interesting Times

Ha:

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_{Except the frog should’ve been Pepe.}

There should have been a dick pic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 10:07:18am

I slept through the debates, they aired at 3am Central European Time, but when I woke up, I knew that HRC had won: I went to check newsmax, and even that extreme right-wing news source did not dare declare DT the winner: their headline was entirely neutral.

further reading confirmed my conclusion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 27, 2016 • 10:07:33am

re: #689 The Vicious Babushka

There should have been a dick pic.

That was the orange guy in the middle of the photo.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 10:09:32am

If Trump didn’t get his clocked clean and at least broke even last night, there is no way he would agree to the second debate. But, his ego is so fragile that he’ll want another crack at her to “get even”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 27, 2016 • 10:10:48am

I have yet to see references to how Mitt Romney “won” the initial debate with Obama, but Obama came back in the second and third rounds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 27, 2016 • 10:11:49am

He gets the best endorsements:

Thank you for your endorsement, @GovernorSununu. #MAGA https://t.co/8BEeQPsuyd

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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makeitstop Sep 27, 2016 • 10:13:13am

re: #694 Backwoods_Sleuth

He gets the best endorsements:

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That’ll move the needle for sure!

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I guess he’s just gonna brag about crumbs now.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 10:13:32am

re: #693 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have yet to see references to how Mitt Romney “won” the initial debate with Obama, but Obama came back in the second and third rounds.

The Deplorables won’t mention that because they would be admitting that Trump actually lost.

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Interesting Times Sep 27, 2016 • 10:14:13am

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a moment, when Trump was blathering on about something, clearly lost in his own ego and defensiveness, that Clinton, who had been looking at him, or the audience, or the moderator, looked RIGHT AT the camera.

It was magic.

Of course, the candidates usually look at the camera to deliver their openings and closings, but this was the first time I’ve ever seen a candidate do that, to connect with the audience during the reaction part.

This one?

HILLARY IS STRAIGHT-UP JIM HALPERT RIGHT NOW #debates pic.twitter.com/U2RZpk2FfD

— Angel Varak-Iglar (@angelnorelation) September 27, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 27, 2016 • 10:14:15am

Hillary Clinton’s Raleigh event already at fire marshall capacity. I barely got inside. #ncpol

— Colin Campbell (@RaleighReporter) September 27, 2016

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 10:15:17am

Fox “news” found a way to lower the bar to the point where it is now buried. Bravo.

Fox’s Bret Baier: “I Do Think [Trump] Gets Credit For Just Being On The Stage”

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 10:17:11am

re: #699 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” found a way to lower the bar to the point where it is now buried. Bravo.

Fox’s Bret Baier: “I Do Think [Trump] Gets Credit For Just Being On The Stage”

I thought conservatives were against low expectations.

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 10:17:34am

What’s next? Giving Trump a pat on the back because he didn’t hit her?

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calochortus Sep 27, 2016 • 10:18:53am

re: #700 HappyWarrior

I thought conservatives were against low expectations.

Soft bigotry.

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Dr. Matt Sep 27, 2016 • 10:18:59am

re: #701 HappyWarrior

What’s next? Giving Trump a pat on the back because he didn’t hit her?

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:19:07am

re: #699 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” found a way to lower the bar to the point where it is now buried. Bravo.

Fox’s Bret Baier: “I Do Think [Trump] Gets Credit For Just Being On The Stage”

in that clip:

Or how about Hillary, when on the email question where she says, where Secretary Clinton said, you know what, it was a mistake, period. And there was no follow-up, and they just moved on.

she admitted the error, no excuses.
what else do you ask? /rhetorical

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 10:19:15am

re: #698 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk Sep 27, 2016 • 10:19:32am

re: #699 Dr. Matt

No standards right wing baffling BS:https://t.co/k4H2Ieub75

Sorry, but @realDonaldTrump gets no points or credit for just showing up.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 27, 2016

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Alephnaught Sep 27, 2016 • 10:19:35am

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI’S HOT BREAKING POOP SCOOP==>

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Follow-up story:
“CONFIRMED: Hillary Clinton breathes oxygen! JUST LIKE PEOPLE WITH PARKINSON’S DISEASE!”

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 10:19:53am

re: #704 dangerman

in that clip:

she admitted the error, no excuses.
what else do you ask? /rhetorical

Trump followed up though, saying it was not a mistake, it was purposeful, etc.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:20:01am

re: #700 HappyWarrior

I thought conservatives were against low expectations.

Mad TV - Lowered Expectations (Doreen)

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 10:20:44am

re: #701 HappyWarrior

What’s next? Giving Trump a pat on the back because he didn’t hit her?

“Great idea, hadn’t thought of that. Man, Donald was such a gentleman last night.”

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 10:21:34am

Important detail: there was no dramatic ratings drop-off between 9 & 10:40pm. Viewers were glued to entire #debate https://t.co/E3Fkwp4Wyk

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 27, 2016

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Contrary to Hugh Hewitt’s imaginings.

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #708 Sir John Barron

Trump followed up though, saying it was not a mistake, it was purposeful, etc.

i thought that was kind of dumb

of course it was deliberate, not an “accident”.
and it was an error in judgment (imo only in hindsight due to what it has become)

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:23:40am

re: #710 Sir John Barron

“Great idea, hadn’t thought of that. Man, Donald was such a gentleman last night.”

/

‘cept as you know, he wasnt even that
mansplainin and manterruptin the whole 90 minutes to an actual effing retired Secretary of State

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Interesting Times Sep 27, 2016 • 10:24:10am

ggt will want to see this one :D

.@realDonaldTrump, you’re coming off really defensive. you really should smile more. #debatenight #Debates2016 #ImWithHer pic.twitter.com/Wwtkkl5cby

— NARAL (@NARAL) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 10:24:16am

re: #704 dangerman

in that clip:

she admitted the error, no excuses.
what else do you ask? /rhetorical

What else more could have been said? She didn’t try to deny it. She admitted it was a mistake. Meanwhile Baier’s candidate denied saying and doing a lot of things he’s in fact done ut I get it Bret’s a sexist weasel.

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 10:24:25am

@IowaPeg more examples of brigading polls pic.twitter.com/1XcCSGOTW5

— Maxime Lebled (@MaxOfS2D) September 27, 2016

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@IowaPeg confirmed. the trump subreddit moderators are trying to hide it and delete traces of it though pic.twitter.com/5vO6femFik

— Maxime Lebled (@MaxOfS2D) September 27, 2016

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If you’re wondering why all the online polls have Trump as debate winner… pic.twitter.com/743uQLNBHl

— Maxime Lebled (@MaxOfS2D) September 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 10:24:40am

re: #714 Interesting Times

ggt will want to see this one :D

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I love that.

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Alephnaught Sep 27, 2016 • 10:25:36am

re: #707 Alephnaught

Follow-up story:
“CONFIRMED: Hillary Clinton breathes oxygen! JUST LIKE PEOPLE WITH PARKINSON’S DISEASE!”

Further followup:
“DID YOU KNOW: Hillary Clinton has only one head! JUST LIKE SAUL ALINKSKY!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 27, 2016 • 10:27:20am

Transcript of one of Trump’s answers. This man is running for President. This is not a reality show. pic.twitter.com/CWmtLk9ZDw

— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) September 27, 2016

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:27:41am

re: #716 Tigger2

online polls, meaningless, who cares, stacked or not
let trump point to all the online polls he wants

is hillary out there touting all the “legitimate” polls she won. i’m assuming not. because she doesnt have to

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 10:28:13am

The #1 trend on Twitter right now is #TrumpWon - thank you!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2016

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jaunte Sep 27, 2016 • 10:28:53am

We’re gonna get tired of winning!

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dangerman Sep 27, 2016 • 10:28:54am

re: #719 Backwoods_Sleuth

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beauty pagent // ok same thing

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 10:29:01am

re: #716 Tigger2

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RT @TeaPainUSA: Trump supporter: “I know #TrumpWon. The online poll I voted in 5 times says so!”

— Dr Kelly Sennholz (@MtnMD) September 27, 2016

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Belafon Sep 27, 2016 • 10:29:46am

re: #721 jaunte

As someone pointed out above, a lot of people there are laughing at him, not with him.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 27, 2016 • 10:30:01am

Oh Look, a MRA meme in the wild! Usually I only see these at WeHuntedTheMammoth

Sums it up nicely… #maga #prochoice #prolife #ccot #tcot #debatenight pic.twitter.com/5OKax9HZfT

— A_SingleSpeeder (@A_SingleSpeeder) September 27, 2016

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Tigger2 Sep 27, 2016 • 10:30:53am

re: #720 dangerman

online polls, meaningless, who cares, stacked or not
let trump point to all the online polls he wants

is hillary out there touting all the “legitimate” polls she won. i’m assuming not. because she doesnt have to

I know they are worthless, I don’t even waste my time voting on them.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 27, 2016 • 10:32:01am

re: #716 Tigger2

I’m sure they’re doing the same thing over at Free Republic - freeping the polls.

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Sir John Barron Sep 27, 2016 • 10:32:56am

re: #721 jaunte

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Election Night:

But I won all the debate polls and TrumpWon first trended on Twitter!

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HappyWarrior Sep 27, 2016 • 10:33:21am

re: #726 The Vicious Babushka

Oh Look, a MRA meme in the wild! Usually I only see these at WeHuntedTheMammoth

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Oh look, someone who has no idea what it’s like to be pregnant lecturing women.

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Timothy Watson Sep 27, 2016 • 10:34:00am

Woah, Trump didn’t just complain about his microphone, he suggested that it was purposely set up that way.

(Just heard the actual soundbite on the radio so I may be behind everyone else.)

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Eventual Carrion Sep 27, 2016 • 11:54:08am

re: #556 b.d.

They are the party of personal responsibility though.

//

For everyone else

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Joe Bacon Sep 27, 2016 • 12:57:39pm

re: #668 The Vicious Babushka

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