The Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby “Religious Freedom” Decision

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Here’s an open thread to follow the news around the Supreme Court’s decision in the Hobby Lobby case.

Will SCOTUS really endorse the religious right’s cynical, perverse inversion of “religious freedom?” I have a bad feeling they will.

UPDATE at 6/30/14 7:19:17 am by Charles Johnson

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663 comments
1 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:12:28am

Let’s see how that undermines the wall between a corporation and the owners.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:12:31am

50,000 readers at SCOTUSblog right now.

3 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:13:01am

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:13:30am

Alito still reading his 39 page opinion on Harris. Don’t know if Kagan will read her 25 page dissent.

5 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 7:14:42am

Cell phone battery about dead. Just in time…

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6 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:15:15am
7 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:07am

Here we go…

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:12am
9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:17am

get ready…

10 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:29am

Getting ready for Bullshit

11 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:29am

With Alito reading, it is hard to see a good outcome here.

I hope at least it is very, very narrow. This decision could open up a can of nightmarish worms.

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:31am
13 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:34am

Fuck.

14 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:44am
15 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:55am

*FLIPS DESK*

16 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 7:17:56am

Shit! for HL

17 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 7:18:30am

re:
#14

What is a “closely-held” corporation?

18 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:18:48am

So women are still second class citizens under the law.

Lovely.

19 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:18:58am

Next up…no blood transfusons or vaccinations…depending on the religious whims of the owner.

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:19:02am

My daughter worked at B&H which is owned by Orthodox Jews and her health policy included ALL TEH BIRTH CONTROLS.

21 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 7:19:14am

I just don’t think that a for-profit corporation should have any right to make a “religious objection” to anything.

How can a for-profit corporation have a “religious view” on anything?

22 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:19:34am

Thanks for nothing, SC.

Here is a further attempt at qualification: This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to mean that all insurance mandates, that is for blood transfusions or vaccinations, necessarily fail if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs.
by Amy Howe 10:18 AM
Comment

Justice Kennedy’s concurring opinion says that the government could pay for the coverage itself, so that women receive it.
by tgoldstein 10:18 AM
Comment

The Court says that the government has failed to show that the mandate is the least restrictive means of advancing its interest in guaranteeing cost-free access to birth control.
by Amy Howe 10:17 AM
Comment
- See more at: live.scotusblog.com

23 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:19:38am

And like that, corporations now have more power over their employees lives than ever, and it means that women are screwed once more by their employers.

Corporations are people whose rights trump those of actual people.

Not only that, but this decision gave Alito and the socon wing of the Court another bite of the apple to gut/undermine the ACA. And they took that opportunity to do just that.

24 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:19:55am

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

I want to punch all the things

25 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:20:25am

Obviously, the SC doesn’t think birth control is a real health issue.

26 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:20:27am

Alito trying to qualify decision saying you still have to let the moochers have vaccine and blood…

27 Kaessa  Jun 30, 2014 7:20:39am

Fuck.

28 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 7:21:19am

re: #14 lawhawk

Because it is a “closely held” for-profit corporation?

29 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:21:21am

If there is a silver lining here, it’s that SCOTUS just pushed the government one step closer to single payer

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:21:25am

not unanimous

31 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 7:21:47am

Can we finally just fucking take anything insurance related away from any connection to employment…SINGLE PAYER

32 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:22:07am
33 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 7:23:09am

What in the actual fuck.

So you can object to contraception on religious grounds, but not blood transfusions or vaccines?

PROTIP: When you have to so narrowly define “religious freedom” to specifically involve contraception and no other medical thing that insurance might cover, that’s a pretty fucking obvious sign that your ruling is

BULLSHIT

.

34 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:23:11am

Wait, Alito’s trying to walk this back by claiming that it does not provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discrimination as a religious practice? Except that is exactly what happened here. HL invests their 401k in companies that not only operate in China, but they do significant business with China where significant imposition of abortion and BC are a way of life.

This had nothing to do with religious views (which shouldn’t matter since this is a corporation (a closely held corporation means that it’s not publicly traded and is owned/held by a small group of individuals/businesses), but rather an imposition of a personal belief by the owner that their employees should not have this particular form of BC.

Once again, ignoring inconvenient facts that would gut the decision. We saw this with the VRA, and we’re seeing it here.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:23:44am

4 dissents: Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Kagan and Breyer.

36 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:24:07am
37 Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2014 7:24:33am

FUCK

38 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 7:24:38am

re: #23 lawhawk

And like that, corporations now have more power over their employees lives than ever, and it means that women are screwed once more by their employers.

Corporations are people whose rights trump those of actual people.

Not only that, but this decision gave Alito and the socon wing of the Court another bite of the apple to gut/undermine the ACA. And they took that opportunity to do just that.

Apparently Citizens United was just the beginning of the judicial drive to imprint corporate personhood in our laws. What’s next? What other laws may a corporation now flaunt because the government cannot order an individual to comply? Clean Air/Water? Child labor? OSHA regs?

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:24:43am

Ginsburg’s dissent calls the majority opinion a “decision of startling breadth.” - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

40 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:25:17am

Good question at Balloon Juice:

That doesn’t make sense to me because either there is or there isn’t a religious exception. Are you telling me that the Supremes can decide what is a religious exception based on their own personal beliefs.

I want to know that one as well.

41 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:25:19am
42 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 7:25:44am

re: #36 Lidane

So the Obama admin, will use an EO to open this up to provide compensation of coverage, and the RWNJ will say..”see our suit is legit…IMPEACH!!!111!!”

43 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 7:25:49am

Again, this is only for ‘closely held’ corporations, and shouldn’t have any effect on normal corporations.

It is still a terrible decision.

44 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:25:51am

re: #38 Targetpractice

Apparently Citizens United was just the beginning of the judicial drive to imprint corporate personhood in our laws. What’s next? What other laws may a corporation now flaunt because the government cannot order an individual to comply? Clean Air/Water? Child labor? OSHA regs?

This is the real road to fascism.

45 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 7:26:07am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

4 dissents: Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Kagan and Breyer.

Translation: Kennedy allowed his opposition to abortion to dictate his vote.

46 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:26:27am
47 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 30, 2014 7:26:41am

Hope I live long enough to see Hobby Lobby go out of business.

48 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:27:21am
49 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 7:27:33am

re: #43 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Again, this is only for ‘closely held’ corporations, and shouldn’t have any effect on normal corporations.

It is still a terrible decision.

It’s also specifically only for medical items that only affect women.

Because apparently SCOTUS can do that.

What. The. Fuck.

50 Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2014 7:28:08am
51 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:28:27am

re: #44 Justanotherhuman

This is the real road to fascism.

I agree.

I am also wondering if you had a response to my questions on the previous thread regarding trans women…

52 geoffm33  Jun 30, 2014 7:28:28am

IF YOU WANT YUR WIMMIN TO HAVE THEIR LADY CONTRACEPSHUN THINGYS THEN MAKE THE GOVT PAY FOR THEM. NOT THE REAL JRBS CREATRZ!

You mean we should more towards a single payer type system?

EXACTLY!!!! WAIT, WHAT?

53 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:28:28am

It’s heartbreaking and rage inducing that in 2014 women are still second class citizens. WTF will it take for us to become truly equal under the law?

I just don’t understand. WTF America?

54 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:28:59am

re: #40 Aunty Entity Dragon

Well, when your opinion is based on nothing more than vaporware and a material misrepresentation of the facts of the case, then yes - that’s exactly what happens. The majority wanted this outcome, so they had to figure out a way to get there without giving companies owned by the JW and Amish a way to impose their religious views on employees re: vaccines, medical treatment, etc.

And that’s to say that they imposed their own religious views in the process.

As others are indicating, this now opens up the Administration to extend the BC rights to all women as part of their coverage, and the GOP will throw a hissy fit in the process claiming that the BC in question is abortificients which they surely are not.

55 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:29:02am

This is why we need an Equal Rights Amendment. Goddammit. I’m sick of being considered a second-class citizen in my own goddamn country.

56 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 7:29:55am

SCOTUS: The religious views of the owners of a closely-held corporation trump a female employee’s right to complete health care coverage that is otherwise provided by federal law.

57 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:29:56am

re: #47 Iwouldprefernotto

Hope I live long enough to see Hobby Lobby go out of business.

I won’t even buy Hobby Lobby shit at the thrift store. It should go straight into the garbage.

58 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 7:30:21am

re: #56 S’latch

SCOTUS: The religious views of the owners of a closely-held corporation trump a female employee’s right to complete health care coverage that is otherwise provided by federal law.

This

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:30:22am
60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:30:45am
61 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:31:08am
62 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:31:27am
63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:33:04am
64 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 7:33:22am

I seriously hope that Ruth Bader Ginsberg lives to a lucid 130. I’m terrified of the thought she dies or cannot discharge her duties just before, in the worst case, Hillary gives away the top job.

Anger from across the pond.

65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:33:33am
66 Shazam  Jun 30, 2014 7:33:38am

And then the SCOTUS decision came down and all the women decided to not have sex unless they wanted to have a baby, and that was called family planning.

67 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 7:33:48am

re:
#62

Would have been simpler if the court had just issued a one page ruling that said: Corporations have all the rights, unions have none of the rights. /

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:34:16am

Ginsberg reading her dissent

69 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:35:11am

re: #51 Aunty Entity Dragon

I agree.

I am also wondering if you had a response to my questions on the previous thread regarding trans women…

No, but I still think we could be friends. It’s simply hard for me to understand why someone would go to such lengths. I’m not a hateful person, but I have been hated on transgender sites for stating my honest (and perhaps uninformed) opinion from one woman’s perspective. It’s just mystifying to me.

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:35:27am

ASSHOLE==>

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:36:10am

re: #70 Pie-onist Overlord

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Your precious tax dollars will, however, Todd…

72 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 7:36:36am

So only “closely held” corporations may refuse to comply with the mandate and only where it involves birth control, they have to follow everything else.

Good to know that they weren’t being “activist,” eh?

73 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 7:36:38am

re:
#70

But Christianists still persecuted and jailed in Obama’s America if they don’t bake cakes for gays!!!11

74 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:37:09am

Hobby Lobby opinion

75 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 7:37:24am

re: #33 GunstarGreen

What in the actual fuck.

So you can object to contraception on religious grounds, but not blood transfusions or vaccines?

PROTIP: When you have to so narrowly define “religious freedom” to specifically involve contraception and no other medical thing that insurance might cover, that’s a pretty fucking obvious sign that your ruling is

.

Exactly! The very fact that they had to exclude vaccinations and transfusions from the list even though there ARE religious factions that forbid them shows that this has ZERO to do with religious freedom and is entirely about this majority male and Catholic court imposing their Catholic vision on the US citizenry.

76 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 7:37:47am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

No, but I still think we could be friends. It’s simply hard for me to understand why someone would go to such lengths. I’m not a hateful person, but I have been hated on transgender sites for stating my honest (and perhaps uninformed) opinion from one woman’s perspective. It’s just mystifying to me.

I posted a reply upstairs, I think your position is an honest one and at least recognises the limitations of one’s own viewpoint.

77 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:37:48am

I’m just so hurt by this. Not every woman takes birth control to prevent pregnancy. Some of us take it for other medical conditions. This bullshit impacts me.

Oh well. I guess I know what I’ll be asking employers about from now on in interviews. If they don’t cover birth control, they’re not an option for me.

78 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:37:49am

re: #32 Lidane

Your closely held corporation that supports China’s forced abortion regime won’t have to provide birth control coverage. Praise the Lord!

This is the part that really pisses me off about the decision.

The test the courts are supposed to be using, as per the RFRA, is sincere religious belief - Hobby Lobby’s other corporate decisions (like their investment strategy) make it painfully obvious that their objection to paying for contraception is not in any way sincere and is just partisan bullshit.

79 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 7:38:20am

re:
#70

Obama=lousy dictator.

80 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 7:39:03am

re: #78 AntonSirius

This is the part that really pisses me off about the decision.

The test the courts are supposed to be using, as per the RFRA, is sincere religious belief - Hobby Lobby’s other corporate decisions (like their investment strategy) make it painfully obvious that their objection to paying for contraception is not in any way sincere and is just partisan bullshit.

I think it’s become obvious by this point that 4 votes on this Court don’t give a flying fuck about legal precedent.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:39:31am

Whoever said it downstairs about state’s rights, nailed it.

Paraphrasing more from Justice Alito’s opinion: The dissent is concerned about the possibility of disputes among the owners of a privately held corporation about this coverage. State corporate law provides a ready means for resolving any conflicts by (for example) dictating how a corporation can establish its governing structure, and courts will turn to that structure and the underlying state law in resolving such disputes.

See more at: live.scotusblog.com

82 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:40:55am
83 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 7:41:37am

This ruling will be filed under the ‘Law of Unintended Consequences’. Just wait until this rolls around and impacts the teatards that believe this a good decision.

84 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 7:42:07am
85 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:42:58am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

No, but I still think we could be friends. It’s simply hard for me to understand why someone would go to such lengths. I’m not a hateful person, but I have been hated on transgender sites for stating my honest (and perhaps uninformed) opinion from one woman’s perspective. It’s just mystifying to me.

As others noted, you may as well ask a person why they are gay.

All I can tell you is the part of my brain that informs me of who I am…self awareness…is switched on to female instead of male.

I have known that since I was a kid, but I also learned real quick to keep my mouth shut.

I tried to pray it away in church when I belonged to a fundamentalist sect. I tried to ignore it when I was in the army. I lied about it to myself, my wife and my family.

I got tired of lies. I came out…and no way in hell would I ever go back.

That being said, I would not wish this on my worst enemy. Gender dysphoria is not something you enjoy. It is also very, very expensive.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:43:56am
87 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:44:06am

re: #76 Alyosha

I posted a reply upstairs, I think your position is an honest one and at least recognises the limitations of one’s own viewpoint.

Thank you for that. Truthfully, I’ve always wondered what a “woman” is anyway and never felt like I lived up to the expectations. Saw myself more as androgynous and even bisexual since I had to fill a “male role” raising my kids alone as well as a “female role”. Even though I was always “tiny” and “fragile looking”, I never pulled the “feminine” card and was determined to make my own way even if it wasn’t to the “top”.

88 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:44:50am

re: #80 Targetpractice

I think it’s become obvious by this point that 4 votes on this Court don’t give a flying fuck about legal precedent.

Which is why Kennedy needs to DIAF

89 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2014 7:45:36am

To the Supreme Court:

You assholes!

90 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:45:58am

re: #85 Aunty Entity Dragon

As others noted, you may as well ask a person why they are gay.

All I can tell you is the part of my brain that informs me of who I am…self awreness…is switched on to female instead of male.

I have known that since I was a kid, but I also learned real quick to keep my mouth shut.

I tried to pray it away in church when I belonged to a fundamentalist sect. I tried to ignore it when I was in the army. I lied about it to myself, my wife and my family.

I got tired of lies. I came out…and no way in hell would I ever go back.

That being said, I would not wish this on my worst enemy. Gender dysphoria is not something you enjoy. It is also very, very expensive.

Sounds very much like a friend of mine. I’m so glad to see parents recognizing gender dysphoria in their children and supporting them instead of forcing them to keep quiet and try to live a lie which implodes in the end and hurts a lot of people.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:46:21am
92 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2014 7:46:58am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Confusion is OK. We can deal with confusion, we may be frustrated by it, but it can be dealt with (I showed plenty of frustration in my last reply in last thread). This confuses me too, I don’t mind people asking questions, or even disagreeing with it.

I do have a problem when it comes to people causing harm to others based on that opinion, especially as in the case of Brennan, someone who enjoys preying on the most easily targeted of them.

93 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 7:47:53am

Well, this is bad timing…..I recently quit smoking and I’m realizing that news stories like the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision really make me long for a drag.

Must find other way to vent spleen…..

Moral support welcome…..

Seriously, I’m so fucking pissed off about this decision I can barly type!

94 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:48:18am
95 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 30, 2014 7:49:01am

I feel like I need to apologize for other men. ugh.

96 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 7:49:07am

re: #67 Bulworth

Sorry, hadda fix it for ya.

re:
#62

Would have been simpler if the court had just issued a one page ruling that said: Corporations have all the rights, unions women have none of the rights.

97 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:49:28am

re: #88 AntonSirius

Which is why Kennedy needs to DIAF

I feel like I need to clarify this.

I don’t want Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito gone from the bench. I want Kennedy gone, so that the four fucks will be trapped as an impotent minority on the bench, their legal pronouncements rendered all but worthless.

98 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:49:29am

re: #93 KerFuFFler

Well, this is bad timing…..I recently quit smoking and I’m realizing that news stories like the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision really make me long for a drag.

Must find other way to vent spleen…..

Moral support welcome…..

Seriously, I’m so fucking pissed off about this decision I can barly type!

imgur.com

99 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 7:49:56am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your precious tax dollars will, however, Todd…

Until which time a Republican is in the WH and have control of Congress. Then it’s back to the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant for all women.

100 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 7:50:28am

re: #93 KerFuFFler

Seriously, I’m so fucking pissed off about this decision I can barly type!

Go for a long drive in the country with your favorite CD’s playing
Or a walk along a nature trail with (or without) headphones (me,, I like listening to nature and the twigs snap under my feet)
Rent a comedy movie

But above all else, do NOT put a cigarette to your lips

101 Sinistershade  Jun 30, 2014 7:50:38am

re: #88 AntonSirius

Which is why Kennedy needs to DIAF

In the ’80s at Stanford, I was in the freshman dorm of Kennedy’s son. He was one of those dudebros who take particular pleasure in being an asshole and pressing people’s buttons. Offensive for offensiveness’s sake, particularly on the issue of homosexuality, a hot-button topic of the time. When his father was later nominated to the court, I couldn’t help but wonder what sort of parenting produced such a broken child.

102 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 7:51:05am

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Thank you for that. Truthfully, I’ve always wondered what a “woman” is anyway and never felt like I lived up to the expectations. Saw myself more as androgynous and even bisexual since I had to fill a “male role” raising my kids alone as well as a “female role”. Even though I was always “tiny” and “fragile looking”, I never pulled the “feminine” card and was determined to make my own way even if it wasn’t to the “top”.

I kind of think of it in terms of what Dylan Moran referred to in a bit about how women have to deal with the many changes they have to go through in life: how they, from the moment of puberty through womanhood and on through childbearing and raising come to menopause and have to deal with the new person they effectively have become. He likens it to masks falling to the floor and I think it’s apt from my male perspective watching my mum’s transitions.

I’d add to these complicating factors the inward conviction that your physical sex doesn’t reflect who you are and without a change the revolt you must feel casts every role you have in society, for good or ill, in a false light.

It took me a while to understand transgenderism because, in the end, the only conclusion is that one can not understand what one is not made by nature to feel.

103 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:51:17am

re: #95 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I feel like I need to apologize for other men. ugh.

No need. We recognize the supportive ones and can sort them from the assholes.

104 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:51:20am

re: #93 KerFuFFler

Well, this is bad timing…..I recently quit smoking and I’m realizing that news stories like the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision really make me long for a drag.

Must find other way to vent spleen…..

Moral support welcome…..

Seriously, I’m so fucking pissed off about this decision I can barly type!

Invest in a vaporizer. : ) I quit smoking at age 72—and went on to one. Freud would say I have an oral fixation, along with penis envy, although I think that’s what a lot of men have.

105 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:51:48am

re: #93 KerFuFFler

Well, this is bad timing…..I recently quit smoking and I’m realizing that news stories like the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision really make me long for a drag.

Must find other way to vent spleen…..

Moral support welcome…..

Seriously, I’m so fucking pissed off about this decision I can barly type!

That’s why the internet was invented - to vent your spleen.

Then donate the money you’d spend on cigs to a worthy midterm candidate.

106 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:52:31am

re: #93 KerFuFFler

Well, this is bad timing…..I recently quit smoking and I’m realizing that news stories like the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision really make me long for a drag.

Must find other way to vent spleen…..

Moral support welcome…..

Seriously, I’m so fucking pissed off about this decision I can barly type!

Do NOT smoke! You’ll be right back where you started and you know it!

107 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2014 7:53:00am

Remember folks, some people’s religious believes are more important than others.

108 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 7:53:30am

Upcoming: SC will rule that “Closely held” for profit corporations with sincere religious beliefs, also qualify for tax exempt status for religious institutions.

///???? I hope

109 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 30, 2014 7:54:23am

re: #103 Sionainn

No need. We recognize the supportive ones and can sort them from the assholes.

Thanks. I did want to make it known that we’re not all like these assholes. I have two daughters, and I am pissed off about this decision for them as well.

110 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 7:55:18am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

I quit smoking at age 72

heh,,, thats when I plan to START again,,, along with drinking heavily and chasing, albeit slowly, women!!

I mean, whatthehell!!!

//

111 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:55:47am

re: #108 nsmith25

Upcoming: SC will rule that “Closely held” for profit corporations with sincere religious beliefs, also qualify for tax exempt status for religious institutions.

///???? I hope

From SCOTUSblog:

The Court also makes clear that there is no RFRA basis for getting out of paying income or social security taxes.

112 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2014 7:55:49am

re: #95 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I feel like I need to apologize for other men. ugh.

You and me both.

113 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:57:01am

re: #109 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Thanks. I did want to make it known that we’re not all like these assholes. I have two daughters, and I am pissed off about this decision for them as well.

I don’t need birth control, but my daughters may. I fight for all women to have the power and the choice as to when and if they decide to reproduce.

114 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:57:23am
115 ComradeDread  Jun 30, 2014 7:57:55am

I’m pretty sure my sincere religious beliefs include a literal interpretations of God’s command to subdue creation and have dominion over it, so that should get any company I own in the future out of abiding by those pesky zoning laws and environmental regulations, right?

116 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 7:58:02am

re: #108 nsmith25

Upcoming: SC will rule that “Closely held” for profit corporations with sincere religious beliefs, also qualify for tax exempt status for religious institutions.

///???? I hope

Would not surprise me to see some company like HL, now granted personhood where political contributions and birth control is concerned, to try to push it further by arguing that their free speech or religious views are being infringed by tax laws.

117 piratedan  Jun 30, 2014 7:58:27am

re: #38 Targetpractice

the corporation determined that the former employee known as “squeaky wheel” did not deserve to live due to their persistent denials of the deification of our beloved CEO, so citing the religious freedom personhood conveyed upon them by the USSC, they terminated said former employee in the name of our holy CEO to prevent troublesome litigation. Praise be to the CEO. /////

118 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 30, 2014 7:59:12am

re: #113 Sionainn

I don’t need birth control, but my daughters may. I fight for all women to have the power and the choice as to when and if they decide to reproduce.

Quoted for truth.

I also realize bc is not always about the sexytime. There are other medical reasons for using it. No company should have the right to deny access to it because of religious exception.

119 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:59:19am

re: #114 lawhawk

All the more reason for women to ask about it in job interviews. If the company doesn’t provide coverage, tell them they’re not an option for employment and go elsewhere.

If enough companies start losing real talent to their competitors because they refuse to cover birth control then things might change.

120 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 8:00:38am

So if I am a Shaker and own a business I can force my employees to not have sex And if they get pregnant I can fire them since they weren’t following my religious rules. I also would have no need for insurance that included prenatal or postnatal care, or any procedures that are specific to child birth?

121 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 8:00:40am

If the court instead nominated the male partners of women in heterosexual relationships of any kind to be responsible for birth control, be it in long term relationships or overnight hookups, the bufferzone protecting the Supreme Court from the rabble beating down the doors would last as long as it takes to put on a condom.

122 Randall Gross  Jun 30, 2014 8:00:56am

What this demonstrates to me is why we need another two term Democrat in office after this to rebalance a court full of sectarian theocrats.

123 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:00:56am

re: #113 Sionainn

I don’t need birth control, but my daughters may. I fight for all women to have the power and the choice as to when and if they decide to reproduce.

I don’t have a need for them any longer either. But THIS is the future for young women. No birth control. Limited access to abortion. Permanent second class citizens who are only good as birthing vessels.

Fuck you, SCOTUS. And a fuck you to every sociopathic Republican who applauds this shit.

This is the future of women, as it was in the past. GRAPHIC IMAGE

124 gwangung  Jun 30, 2014 8:01:02am

re: #119 Lidane

All the more reason for women to ask about it in job interviews. If the company doesn’t provide coverage, tell them they’re not an option for employment and go elsewhere.

If enough companies start losing real talent to their competitors because they refuse to cover birth control then things might change.

That only works for the well paid. For the lower end of the pay range, they’re considered pretty much interchangeable and that sort of tactic won’t do bupkis.

125 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 8:02:28am
With respect to implications for other kinds of religious-based discrimination, the Court writes that racial discrimination in hiring will not be permitted under RFRA because “The Government has a compelling interest in providing equal opportunity to participate in the workforce without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to acheive that critical goal.” Note that this leave open the question of whether the Government has a similarly compelling interest in preventing discrimination on the basis of sex or sexual orientation. - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

The next SCOTUS decision?

126 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 30, 2014 8:02:31am

re: #123 Joanne

I don’t have a need for them any longer either. But THIS is the future for young women. No birth control. Limited access to abortion. Permanent second class citizens who are only good as birthing vessels.

Fuck you, SCOTUS. And a fuck you to every sociopathic Republican who applauds this shit.

When Abortion Was Illegal

That photo is disturbing. Maybe should be used against sidewalk “counselors” outside abortion clinics.

127 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2014 8:03:56am

re: #70 Pie-onist Overlord

ASSHOLE==>

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128 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 8:04:45am

re: #123 Joanne

I don’t have a need for them any longer either. But THIS is the future for young women. No birth control. Limited access to abortion. Permanent second class citizens who are only good as birthing vessels.

Fuck you, SCOTUS. And a fuck you to every sociopathic Republican who applauds this shit.

When Abortion Was Illegal

I appreciate your anger, but would rather not have seen that photo.
I don’t think the people here are the ones who need to see that. We know.

129 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:07:39am

re: #128 blueraven

I appreciate your anger, but would rather not have seen that photo.
I don’t think the people here are the ones who need to see that. We know.

I realize how disturbing it is. But this is reality. This is what the GOP wants. And not only Lizards read these threads.

The reality is that this woman, Gerri Santoro, died because of what we are slowly going back to. I am sorry for the disturbance, but if we sweep the repercussions under the rug because they are disturbing, we will have hundreds of Gerri Santoros.

130 calochortus  Jun 30, 2014 8:08:23am

What a crappy start to my (and most women’s, yes and many men’s) day. If it weren’t going to be so hot I could take out my anger on the shrubbery and both vent my spleen and have a nicely pruned hedge at the end of the day. But it is going to be in the low 90s and I will just have to spend the day grinding my teeth instead.

131 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 8:09:03am

re: #126 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That photo is disturbing. Maybe should be used against sidewalk “counselors” outside abortion clinics.

Yeah, it would fit right in with them.

132 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 8:10:26am

re: #129 Joanne

I realize how disturbing it is. But this is reality. This is what the GOP wants. And not only Lizards read these threads.

The reality is that this woman, Gerri Santoro, died because of what we are slowly going back to. I am sorry for the disturbance, but if we sweep the repercussions under the rug because they are disturbing, we will have hundreds of Gerri Santoros.

I would never suggest sweeping anything under the rug. A warning would have been appropriate though.

133 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 8:10:45am

re: #130 calochortus

What a crappy start to my (and most women’s) day. If it weren’t going to be so hot I could take out my anger on the shrubbery and both vent my spleen and have a nicely pruned hedge at the end of the day. But it is going to be in the low 90s and I will just have to spend the day grinding my teeth instead.

As stated above

Go for a long drive in the country with your favorite CD’s playing
Or a walk along a nature trail with (or without) headphones (me,, I like listening to nature and the twigs snap under my feet)
Rent a comedy movie

134 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:11:19am

re: #132 blueraven

I would never suggest sweeping anything under the rug. A warning would have been appropriate though.

I don’t know how to do that…make it clickable so it isn’t visible. If someone tells me how to do it, I will change it.

135 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 8:11:50am
Justice Kennedy’s concurring opinion says that the government could pay for the coverage itself, so that women receive it.

What the Hell sense does that even make? If the government pays for it, then all tax payers are paying for it regardless of their religious beliefs so it is completely self defeating as a measure safe-guarding religious exemptions.

136 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:12:08am

re: #124 gwangung

That only works for the well paid. For the lower end of the pay range, they’re considered pretty much interchangeable and that sort of tactic won’t do bupkis.

True. For the women at the lower end of the pay scale, it won’t do anything. But then again, most of those women don’t get employer health care anyway. They’re the ones who are using the exchanges to buy their own insurance, or they suffer the risk of going without insurance at all.

That doesn’t mean that change can’t come from the more well paid. If enough women in the corporate world start making noise about this and start making employer paid contraceptive coverage a condition of employment, it could have an effect. If a company starts losing enough qualified female talent because of it, they might be moved to change their policies.

137 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 8:12:35am

re: #135 KerFuFFler

What the Hell sense does that even make? If the government pays for it, then all tax payers are paying for it regardless of their religious beliefs so it is completely self defeating as a measure safe-guarding religious exemptions.

This is the Roberts court you’re talking about.

They never make much sense.

138 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 8:13:09am

re: #130 calochortus

What a crappy start to my (and most women’s, yes and many men’s) day. If it weren’t going to be so hot I could take out my anger on the shrubbery and both vent my spleen and have a nicely pruned hedge at the end of the day. But it is going to be in the low 90s and I will just have to spend the day grinding my teeth instead.

It’s going to be 108-110 here. I might try to battle the weeds and trim trees anyway. Grrrr…..

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:13:42am

re: #130 calochortus

What a crappy start to my (and most women’s, yes and many men’s) day. If it weren’t going to be so hot I could take out my anger on the shrubbery and both vent my spleen and have a nicely pruned hedge at the end of the day. But it is going to be in the low 90s and I will just have to spend the day grinding my teeth instead.

Hot & humid here, but I still went outside to yank weeds (huge hogweed, mostly) until I was almost ready to pass out.
I’ll go back outside several more times today…the flower beds ought to look pretty good by end of the day.
#thanksSCOTUSyouasshats

140 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 8:14:09am

re: #135 KerFuFFler

What the Hell sense does that even make? If the government pays for it, then all tax payers are paying for it regardless of their religious beliefs so it is completely self defeating as a measure safe-guarding religious exemptions.

It’s Kennedy being a dick, as is his way. He’s personally opposed to abortion, so of course Hobby Lobby’s lawyers abided him by pounding incessantly on their “abortificants” BS, such that he could thread the needle by saying that a corporation’s religious views trump an individual’s.

141 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:14:13am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

This is the Roberts court you’re talking about.

They never make much sense.

They make perfect sense. Women are 2nd class citizens. Women (and couples) have less say in their private lives than corporations do. The all-mighty corporation rules everything. We, every single American, is completely subservient to the corporations that own them.

142 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:14:17am

re:
#135

And the whole misleading thing about BC=abortion and the government is prohibited from funding abortions (Hyde Act). But, yeah, Kennedy, sure. Whatevs, man.

143 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:14:30am

SCOTUS in a nutshell:

144 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:00am

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it would fit right in with them.

No, it wouldn’t. That photo is an honest one: the one’s that anti-abortion protesters use are, generally, incredibly factually wrong.

145 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:13am

re: #143 Lidane

SCOTUS in a nutshell:

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Just reverse CT v Griswold and be done with it.

146 gwangung  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:26am

re: #143 Lidane

SCOTUS in a nutshell:

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Unabashedly anti-First Amendment.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:29am

re: #134 Joanne

I don’t know how to do that…make it clickable so it isn’t visible. If someone tells me how to do it, I will change it.

Try it like this:
Warning: graphic image

148 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:51am

re:
#143

NO Consequence-Free Sexy time!!!!!!111

149 Shazam  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:53am

“My religion trumps your “right” to employer subsidized consequence free sex health.”

150 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 8:15:53am

If I have to post this every day until the next election I will:

Scalia and Kennedy both will be turning 80 during the first term of the next POTUS. To swing the Court we need to make sure a Democrat is in the White House in 2017.

151 calochortus  Jun 30, 2014 8:16:06am

re: #133 sattv4u2

Yes, I’ll be heading out the door for a walk as soon as my coffee is finished, but I’d really rather work my anger off doing stuff that needs to be done. I just don’t want to be doing that (or anything else) when it is over 90º as it is predicted to be today.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Jun 30, 2014 8:17:08am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

GAH!

That was effective.

153 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:17:18am

re:
#143

But how is Erick son of Erick’s religious rights at issue here?

/

154 Zamb  Jun 30, 2014 8:17:40am

re: #135 KerFuFFler

What the Hell sense does that even make? If the government pays for it, then all tax payers are paying for it regardless of their religious beliefs so it is completely self defeating as a measure safe-guarding religious exemptions.

So they can eventually kill all taxpayer funding for contraceptive like they did with abortion.

155 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 8:18:33am

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IT’S ALIVE!!!!!

156 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:18:39am

re:
#143

So without BC the womenz can get abortions now and still have consequece-free sexytime!!!!!!, Erick son of Erick?

157 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:18:42am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

Try it like this:
Warning: graphic image

Updated.

158 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:19:40am

Next in Freedom in America:

Ban all consequence-free sexytime!!!!11

159 Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2014 8:19:43am

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heeeey!

160 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 8:19:58am

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #155 sattv4u2

IT’S ALIVE!!!!!

Your remote broke? Wifey having the couch cleaned and can’t be on it for awhile????

161 Ryan King  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:28am

Consequence free sex is evil.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:29am

I’m not surprised the SC issued an illogical, narrow, and twisted decision.

I refuse to foam at the mouth about it, or worry about the religious nuts crowing over it since they don’t want to understand the full ramifications of such a convoluted decision.

Instead I will post a cat picture.

This is Sherlock

(Sherlock turned up as an abandoned/stray at my brother’s place. Very sociable and in too good of a shape to be a feral. He got taken care of and was eventually added to the FO commune run by a friend of my niece. (2 dogs, 10 cats, and a lot of space for them to run around in.)

163 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:29am

re: #154 Zamb

So they can eventually kill all taxpayer funding for contraceptive like they did with abortion.

This.

Welcome back the Comstock Laws.
I

164 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:47am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

If I have to post this every day until the next election I will:

Scalia and Kennedy both will be turning 80 during the first term of the next POTUS. To swing the Court we need to make sure a Democrat is in the White House in 2017.

I agree, but just as effective is ensuring that US Senate stays in the hands of the Democratic Party this November. If Scalia or Kennedy (or both) were to pass away or otherwise become incapacitated - a possibility given their age (please, no offense meant to older Lizards) - then President Obama would nominate their replacement.

Hopefully, someone around 40 or so.

165 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:55am

re:
#162

Thank you

166 Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:55am
167 calochortus  Jun 30, 2014 8:20:56am

A question for Mr. Erickson: If “My religion trumps your “right” to employer subsidized consequence free sex” does my religion allow me to double your taxes, or prevent you from using refrigeration or whatever my brand new, but sincerely held religious beliefs are?

Oh. Silly me. When he said “my” he meant only his, not just anyone’s beliefs.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Jun 30, 2014 8:21:20am

This (IMO) will be the beginning of the Government’s path to “You know what? Fuck it. Let’s go single payer.”

And frankly, I don’t blame them.

Every edge is being battered (or going to be battered) into nothing. If they’re going to provide health care coverage equally? There is no way to do it but via single payer.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Jun 30, 2014 8:22:26am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

Heeeey!

Hey, Stan! Thought I’d drop in for a minute.

About to go on a hike. I’ve gotten much healthier folks, but the nic still fits.

170 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:22:29am

re: #145 Joanne

Just reverse CT v Griswold and be done with it.

At this point they might as well.

It really is heartbreaking. I mean, I’ve never been particularly maternal or wanted kids, but I liked knowing I had a say in the matter. Now? It’s hard to feel like I have any say at all if my employer can just overrule me on his own.

171 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2014 8:22:42am

Can Muslim businesses impose extra taxes on Christian employees now?

/

172 calochortus  Jun 30, 2014 8:22:52am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This (IMO) will be the beginning of the Government’s path to “You know what? Fuck it. Let’s go single payer.”

And frankly, I don’t blame them.

Every edge is being battered (or going to be battered) into nothing. If they’re going to provide health care coverage equally? There is no way to do it but via single payer.

And let’s face it. That’s where we should have gone in the first place.

173 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 8:23:17am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, Stan!
!?!?!?

What am I,, chopped liver!?!?!

/

174 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 8:23:44am

re: #167 calochortus

A question for Mr. Erickson: If “My religion trumps your “right” to employer subsidized consequence free sex” does my religion allow me to double your taxes, or prevent you from using refrigeration or whatever my brand new, but sincerely held religious beliefs are?

Oh. Silly me. When he said “my” he meant only his, not just anyone’s beliefs.

I guess he missed the part where insurance covers pregnancy. He would have to pay for sluty sexytimes if she doesn’t have birth control and keeps the kid…

175 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 8:23:45am

re: #154 Zamb

So they can eventually kill all taxpayer funding for contraceptive like they did with abortion.

That is the ultimate goal. After decades of failure after failure to convince the public that birth control is immoral, unethical, or responsible for the downfall of society, they finally found a winner: “abortificants.” Just say that opposition to it is due to opposition to abortion, which they’ve spent decades turning so toxic that speaking it in polite company gets nervous looks, and then spin pseudo-science bullshit about how birth control “aborts” fertilized eggs by preventing them from implanting.

176 calochortus  Jun 30, 2014 8:24:04am

Anyhoo, the coffee is finished, the day is warming rapidly and I’m off to burn off a bit of steam.
Later.

177 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 8:24:47am

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

Can Muslim businesses impose extra taxes on Christian employees now?

/

Heh.

Wanna job? Then repeat after me, “lā ʾilāha ʾil ʾāllāh, mu𞉚mmadun rasūlu-llāh”.

(Note; I would never actually do that to anyone. Imposition of religion on another person is monstrous in my worldview.)

178 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 8:25:09am

re: #145 Joanne

Just reverse CT v Griswold and be done with it.

Roberts is an incrementalist, and conservatives really, really hate Griswold. He is working in that direction.

179 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:26:02am

re:
#178

Because conservatives really love Freedom and Liberty but for some strange reason really, really hate the Right to Privacy.

180 piratedan  Jun 30, 2014 8:26:57am

re: #172 calochortus

true and most would agree, but it was the best compromise that could be wrangled at the time and just when it shows that it really is working to reduce health care costs, get more people the necessary needed coverage that they’ve never had before (unless you’re living in a Red State) the USSC goes ahead and tosses in a spanner to the spokes. If it means that we move to a national health care system, so be it. I’m not wedded to the existing system other than the fact that it was a huge improvement for the vast majority of the uninsured that didn’t exist. If we morph into something better, great… but if that’s the next chess move, I doubt that the private insurance industry and that cache of docs that make a great living in the specialties game are going to go quietly into the night.

181 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:26:59am

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

Can Muslim businesses impose extra taxes on Christian employees now?

/

Saw this show up in my twitter TL:

182 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 8:27:31am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

Wanna job? Then repeat after me, “lā ʾilāha ʾil ʾāllāh, mu��mmadun rasūlu-llāh”.

(Note; I would never actually do that to anyone. Imposition of religion on another person is monstrous in my worldview.)

I was thinking of converting when I was in my teens. Now I’m an atheist but I still find the profession of faith poetic :)

183 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 8:27:55am

And once again the world is shaking its head at the United States.

Heck, half the United States is shaking its head at the United States.

It will be interesting to see the RWNJs flip out when the Gov’t goes to direct coverage of contraception.

184 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:28:31am

re:
#181

Well, people with healthcare-for-other-people derangement syndrome would rather no one else really had healthcare at all.

185 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2014 8:28:50am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

And besides, I can’t pronounce “little square symbol”.

186 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:29:05am
187 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 8:29:07am

I find it odd that Hobby Lobby does not have its employment app online, like many nationwide firms do. Even homophobic Chick-Fil-A has an online app.

I expect that’s because you have to go into their stores to get one and fill it out, and they will size you up by putting you on the spot somehow about what church you attend. Or only hire those they actually see attending?

188 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 8:29:19am

You know who really, REALLY gets screwed by this ruling?

Women who take birth control for NON contraceptive reasons.

189 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2014 8:29:20am

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

Saw this show up in my twitter TL:

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Just watch everyone today that’s doing a victory dance have a hissy-fit when non-Christian religions begin to impose their will on employees. It won’t take long.

190 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 8:29:44am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, Stan! Thought I’d drop in for a minute.

About to go on a hike. I’ve gotten much healthier folks, but the nic still fits.

Hey man, I’m doing sociology these days.

191 Flounder  Jun 30, 2014 8:30:00am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy fuck buddy, I have missed you. Not in that creepy sorta way ;)

192 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 8:31:09am

I sure hope a lot of legal scholars make a big stink about the lack of intellectual merit or legal justification for making a distinction between transfusions and BC. There can be no reason other than a smug assessment that religious objections aligned with the SCOTUS judges’ own beliefs are reasonable whereas other objections (vaccines and transfusions) are clearly not mainstream and deserve no protection.

Yay, majority wins!///////

193 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 8:31:10am

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

And once again the world is shaking its head at the United States.

Heck, half the United States is shaking its head at the United States.

It will be interesting to see the RWNJs flip out when the Gov’t goes to direct coverage of contraception.

The US can’t simply go to direct coverage. The HHS has to figure out if they can do so under existing regulations and law; if they can, then the President could make that happen more quickly. If not, then Congress (and we know where this is going) would have to act, and the GOP would thwart preventing BC coverage to the womens.

194 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 8:32:37am

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who really, REALLY gets screwed by this ruling?

Women who take birth control for NON contraceptive reasons.

If nothing else, this reason should have stopped the decision today. It is known medical FACT that there are women who require birth control medications for reasons other than birth control.

We live in a fucking theocracy, they’re just trying to be sly about it.

Summon the fucking meteors.

Summon the Meteors

195 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 8:32:48am

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who really, REALLY gets screwed by this ruling?

Women who take birth control for NON contraceptive reasons.

If you need it so badly, then you can pay for it! Besides, how do I know you’re not just lying to me about having a legitimate medical need?

196 Ryan King  Jun 30, 2014 8:32:54am

re: #161 Ryan King

Consequence free sex is evil.

Especially for women.

But for men? Boys will be boys.

Caveman conservatism.

197 sattv4u2  Jun 30, 2014 8:33:12am

re: #191 Flounder

Holy fuck buddy, I have missed you. Not in that creepy sorta way ;)

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
/

198 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 8:33:32am

IMO, this issue should light a fire under Democrats going into the midterms, let alone the 2016 Presidential elections on how the GOP is fighting to roll back all kinds of protections for women, minorities, and employees. They’ve got a SCt that is open to those rollbacks, and their decisions to date point to the rollback incrementally.

It also points out how a President’s choices can influence policy years and decades later through their court appointees (at all levels) and how this GOP has thwarted those Obama nominees at all levels of the court system, and those decisions roll upwards.

199 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 8:33:50am

re: #138 Sionainn

It’s going to be 108-110 here. I might try to battle the weeds and trim trees anyway. Grrrr…..

Where are the global warming deniers now. I know weather is not climate, but they don’t seem to have trouble denying when it is snowing in winter. Why not claim that GW is true when we are getting August weather before the 4th of July.

200 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 8:34:13am

re: #167 calochortus

A question for Mr. Erickson: If “My religion trumps your “right” to employer subsidized consequence free sex” does my religion allow me to double your taxes, or prevent you from using refrigeration or whatever my brand new, but sincerely held religious beliefs are?

Oh. Silly me. When he said “my” he meant only his, not just anyone’s beliefs.

201 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 8:35:00am

re: #198 lawhawk

IMO, this issue should light a fire under Democrats going into the midterms, let alone the 2016 Presidential elections on how the GOP is fighting to roll back all kinds of protections for women, minorities, and employees. They’ve got a SCt that is open to those rollbacks, and their decisions to date point to the rollback incrementally.

It also points out how a President’s choices can influence policy years and decades later through their court appointees (at all levels) and how this GOP has thwarted those Obama nominees at all levels of the court system, and those decisions roll upwards.

Fuck I hope you’re right. Future updings rely on it :)

202 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:35:41am

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who really, REALLY gets screwed by this ruling?

Women who take birth control for NON contraceptive reasons.

Which is why this shit affects me personally. Part of my regimen for controlling my PCOS was birth control pills. I can’t afford any medication or treatment right now since I’m unemployed, but it’s kind of a big deal to have that access to BC. Without it, and without my hormones being regulated, I’m basically at the mercy of my body’s whims again, and it sucks.

People think that the Pill is just to prevent pregnancy and that only sluts who want “consequence free sex” use it. As long as that stays true and as long as people don’t realize there are other medical reasons for BC this shit will continue.

203 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 8:36:06am

re: #193 lawhawk

The US can’t simply go to direct coverage. The HHS has to figure out if they can do so under existing regulations and law; if they can, then the President could make that happen more quickly. If not, then Congress (and we know where this is going) would have to act, and the GOP would thwart preventing BC coverage to the womens.

Remove “over 65” from Medicare law.

Done.

204 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 30, 2014 8:36:23am

re: #93 KerFuFFler

As someone else said, get a vaporizer/e-cig. First it tastes better, second it’s cheaper, and third you can get the juices with or without nicotine. I quit smoking cigs over a year ago when I switched to the e-cig/vaporizer and that was after 20 years of smoking.

205 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 8:36:26am

This and many other decisions emphasize the fact that the ability to appoint the SCOTUS judges overweighs many other considerations during the presidential elections. And that yes, there is a very important difference between the parties. Voting for Bush in 2000 and 2004 was either an evil or an ignorant act. Or both. Here are the fruits.

206 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 8:36:56am

re: #194 GunstarGreen

If nothing else, this reason should have stopped the decision today. It is known medical FACT that there are women who require birth control medications for reasons other than birth control.

We live in a fucking theocracy, they’re just trying to be sly about it.

Summon the fucking meteors.

Summon the Meteors

Bolide impacts tend to ruin your entire epoch.

But, they do get cool names, like “Chicxulub impact structure” or “Bedout crater”.

207 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 8:36:59am

re: #205 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

This and many other decisions emphasize the fact that the ability to appoint the SCOTUS judges overweighs many other considerations during the presidential elections. And that yes, there is a very important difference between the parties. Voting for Bush in 2000 and 2004 was either an evil or ignorant act. Or both. Here are the fruits.

I claim ignorance.

208 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 8:37:35am

re: #205 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

This and many other decisions emphasize the fact that the ability to appoint the SCOTUS judges overweighs many other considerations during the presidential elections. And that yes, there is a very important difference between the parties. Voting for Bush in 2000 and 2004 was either an evil or ignorant act. Or both. Here are the fruits.

Alioto is a worse justice than Scalia, and that takes some doing. Not as weird as Thomas, though.

209 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 8:37:53am

re: #194 GunstarGreen

If nothing else, this reason should have stopped the decision today. It is known medical FACT that there are women who require birth control medications for reasons other than birth control.

We live in a fucking theocracy, they’re just trying to be sly about it.

Summon the fucking meteors.

Summon the Meteors

More than a third of christians live in the US alone.

pewforum.org

In 100 years, Europe has become more enlightened, and the US has just gotten more infantile in their views of religion.

“A century ago, this was not the case. In 1910, about two-thirds of the world’s Christians lived in Europe, where the bulk of Christians had been for a millennium, according to historical estimates by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity.2 Today, only about a quarter of all Christians live in Europe (26%). A plurality - more than a third - now are in the Americas (37%). About one in every four Christians lives in sub-Saharan Africa (24%), and about one-in-eight is found in Asia and the Pacific (13%).”

210 allegro  Jun 30, 2014 8:38:56am

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who really, REALLY gets screwed by this ruling?

Women who take birth control for NON contraceptive reasons.

You know, I understand it but I intensely dislike this argument. It doesn’t fucking matter why a medical decision is made between a woman and her doctor. Whether it is to prevent pregnancy or treat endometriosis, it makes no difference. To suggest it does is simply slut-shaming from the other direction.

211 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:39:02am

Also, important point to remember, the Hobby Lobby case wasn’t just HL. There were other companies specifically included in the decision as well.

212 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:39:15am

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

Remove “over 65” from Medicare law.

Done.

Unfortunately requires congressional action. Which means nothing is going to happen.

And then there is funding Medicare for All. Also requires congressional action.

213 Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2014 8:39:32am

re: #209 Justanotherhuman

I think you mis-read that.

37% of Christians are in the Americas, but something tells me the vast majority of those are Catholics in Latin America :-P

214 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 30, 2014 8:39:36am

This decision is a joke. It once again makes the Supreme Court even less relevant. Makes me wish the court was not a lifetime appointment and there was a mechanism to remove ideologues (of course that could make things worse).

215 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 8:39:43am

re: #204 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

As someone else said, get a vaporizer/e-cig. First it tastes better, second it’s cheaper, and third you can get the juices with or without nicotine. I quit smoking cigs over a year ago when I switched to the e-cig/vaporizer and that was after 20 years of smoking.

I’ve got a couple of friends who have switched to vaping and love it.

Heck, they’ve even figured out the ‘no smoking in bars’ law doesn’t apply to vaporizers (yet), and are taking full advantage…

216 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:39:59am

re: #208 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Alioto is a worse justice than Scalia, and that takes some doing. Not as weird as Thomas, though.

Truly…is anyone as weird as Thomas?

217 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 8:40:36am

And right on cue:

218 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 8:41:02am
219 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:41:35am

re:
#217

I was wondering what constitutional scholar Bryan Fischer thought about the ruling.

/

220 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 8:41:47am

re: #216 Joanne

Truly…is anyone as weird as Thomas?

His wife?

221 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:41:54am

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who really, REALLY gets screwed by this ruling?

Women who take birth control for NON contraceptive reasons.

Did anyone read the case? My understanding is that it did not cover all birth control, but Plan B, UIDs and a few others that they consider abortifascists (sic :) That’s what they said on TV the other day…but I did not read the suit myself.

222 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:42:23am
223 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 8:42:27am

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

Remove “over 65” from Medicare law.

Done.

That thought has occurred to me in the past - dump the over 65 provision in Medicare and allow anyone and everyone to sign up.

Boom.

224 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 8:42:49am

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

And right on cue:

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Any day he isn’t obsessing over teh gheys is a good day for him…

225 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 8:43:03am

Find me ‘corporations’ anywhere in the constitution.

226 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 30, 2014 8:43:31am

re: #215 AntonSirius

I’ve got a couple of friends who have switched to vaping and love it.

Heck, they’ve even figured out the ‘no smoking in bars’ law doesn’t apply to vaporizers (yet), and are taking full advantage…

Yeah I love it, I even vape on planes, just hold it in a little longer so there’s nothing to exhale. They are trying to ban it here in the Los Angeles area under the same regs as smoking but it keeps getting tabled and is being fought. Even some starbucks now have vaping corners.

I’ve found the perfect juice for use with my device and can get a 3 week supply for 50 bucks vs spending 90 or so on cigarettes for the same time period.

227 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:43:53am

re: #214 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

This decision is a joke. It once again makes the Supreme Court even less relevant. Makes me wish the court was not a lifetime appointment and there was a mechanism to remove ideologues (of course that could make things worse).

Unfortunately, our opinion as whether they are relevant or not is disconnected from the reality of the impact they have on our lives.

228 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:44:18am

re: #220 AntonSirius

His wife?

Touche!

229 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2014 8:44:28am

Codifying religion into the “free market”. How can you really prove someone a company is religious?

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:44:39am

re: #221 Joanne

Did anyone read the case? My understanding is that it did not cover all birth control, but Plan B, UIDs and a few others that they consider abortifascists (sic :) That’s what they said on TV the other day…but I did not read the suit myself.

You are correct.

231 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 30, 2014 8:45:20am

re: #227 Joanne

Unfortunately, our opinion as whether they are relevant or not is disconnected from the reality of the impact they have on our lives.

Oh I know that, it’s just frustrating that there is not much that can actually be done unless A) the ideologues are replaced and B) someone with standing brings a case to overturn the previous ruling (not sure how that would work, I am not a lawyer).

232 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 8:45:40am

re: #229 Amory Blaine

Codifying religion into the “free market”. How can you really prove someone a company is religious?

Closed on sundays and a white male CEO?

233 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:45:49am

re:
#229

Only Bryan Fischer can determine that, and anyone to whom Bryan Fischer designates said authority.

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234 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 30, 2014 8:46:07am

re: #229 Amory Blaine

I think we’re soon going to find out all sorts of weird shit employers suddenly object to on “religious grounds”.

235 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 8:46:10am
236 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 8:46:18am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

Closed on sundays and a white male CEO?

And serve overrated chicken sandwiches.

237 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:46:46am

re: #234 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I think we’re soon going to find out all sorts of weird shit employers suddenly object to on “religious grounds”.

Good. I hope we do. And the weirder the better.

But you know that the SCOTUS won’t take those cases.

238 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:47:40am

re:
#235

You mean we could have claimed all BC=abortion and this Alito dude would have upheld us because are religious beliefs can’t be flawed? Man we aimed too low!!!11

239 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 8:48:40am

re: #226 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah I love it, I even vape on planes, just hold it in a little longer so there’s nothing to exhale. They are trying to ban it here in the Los Angeles area under the same regs as smoking but it keeps getting tabled and is being fought. Even some starbucks now have vaping corners.

I’ve found the perfect juice for use with my device and can get a 3 week supply for 50 bucks vs spending 90 or so on cigarettes for the same time period.

The higher the nic content, the more the liquid costs, also. For $50, you can get a nice little vaporizer, $10 or so for med sized liquid (which lasts me for at least 3 wks). I use 6 mg of nic and have used samples w/o it at all. Have to replace the vaporizer from time to time, though it’s still a lot cheaper than spending money on tobacco. So, I estimate it costs maybe 1/10th of what I used to spend on tobacco.

240 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2014 8:48:55am

So if a corporation is Jewish, how will it be circumcised?

241 gwangung  Jun 30, 2014 8:49:01am

re: #221 Joanne

Did anyone read the case? My understanding is that it did not cover all birth control, but Plan B, UIDs and a few others that they consider abortifascists (sic :) That’s what they said on TV the other day…but I did not read the suit myself.

So, the Court is medically illiterate, then?

242 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 8:49:27am

re: #241 gwangung

So, the Court is medically illiterate, then?

Does Web M.D. Count?

243 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 8:49:39am

re: #235 wrenchwench

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If someone confronted Alito and said that the Earth is flat, would he nod along and say that he agrees, when privately he thinks they’re a loon? Or would he, as any sane person would do, correct them that it’s round and that centuries of scientific evidence support that conclusion?

244 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2014 8:49:47am

“I object to providing prenatal care for my unwed employees.”

~Some asshole in the near future.

245 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 8:50:01am

What passage in the bible does it state that women shouldn’t use oral contraceptives?

246 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 8:50:08am

re:
#235

Alito says telling [JW company] that [blood transfusions are fine] is ” in effect tell[ing] the plaintiffs that their beliefs are flawed.”

Adjusted that for you

247 J A P  Jun 30, 2014 8:50:19am

Well, this was a not so good thing to hear upon waking up.

I’m enough of a hard bitten feminist that I hope no one thinks I’m playing down the sex angle, but I can’t help thinking that the biggest thing going on here is that the Supreme Court just ruled regarding what constitutes a legitimate religious belief. What are we supposed to do when a Supreme Court ruling is unconstitutional? If Catholics and similar groups can object to birth control, why can’t other groups object to blood transfusions, vaccines, psychiatry (Scientologists) or most medicine (Christian Scientists).

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:51:36am

Ginsberg’s dissent begins on page 60 (PDF).

249 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 8:51:36am

re: #241 gwangung

So, the Court is medically illiterate, then?

I think that has been proven over and over again. Science and law apparently do not coexist happily.

250 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 8:52:11am

re: #244 Amory Blaine

“I object to providing prenatal care for my unwed employees.”

~Some asshole in the near future.

You know that one is coming…

251 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 8:53:04am

re: #249 Joanne

I think that has been proven over and over again. Science and law conservatism apparently do not coexist happily.

There you go.

252 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 8:53:18am

re: #240 Ace-o-aces

So if a corporation is Jewish, how will it be circumcised?

Carefully. With a 10% discount. /

253 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2014 8:53:53am

re: #245 Dr. Matt

What passage in the bible does it state that women shouldn’t use oral contraceptives?

What? You actually think Christianity is based on the Bible? That book where they’re always talking about peace and turning the other cheek? Bunch of liberal, hippie BS that is.

254 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 8:54:16am

re: #244 Amory Blaine

“I object to providing prenatal care for my unwed employees.”

~Some asshole in the near future.

I’m waiting for the first lawsuit to be brought by a Christian that was denied some benefit or other because his boss of a different faith objected on religious grounds. That should be a hoot.

255 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 8:54:29am

re: #245 Dr. Matt

What passage in the bible does it state that women shouldn’t use oral contraceptives?

It’s probably similar to that verse in the Qur’an that forbids music and art.

Simply put, nowhere.

256 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 8:55:33am

I gotta be up in four hours. Maybe I should sleep…

257 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 8:55:49am

So Kennedy engages in asinine excuse-making for allowing his personal views to override jurisprudence, Alito argues that ignorance is a virtue, and Scalia just doesn’t give a fuck. Any idea how Roberts has excused his part in this fiasco? I’d ask about Thomas, but I’m not hungry for word salad right now.

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:56:08am

From Gindberg’s dissent:

To correct this oversight, Senator Barbara Mikulski introduced the Women’s Health Amendment, which added to the ACA’s minimum coverage requirements a new category of preventive services specific to women’s health. Women paid significantly more than men for preventive care, the amendment’s proponents noted; in fact, cost barriers operated to block many women from obtaining needed care at all. See, e.g., id., at 29070 (statement of Sen. Feinstein) (“Women of childbearing age spend 68 percent more in out-of-pocket health care costs than men.”); id., at 29302 (statement of Sen. Mikulski) (“copayments are [often] so high that [women] avoid getting [preventive and screening services] in the first place”).

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 8:58:36am

Oh, Ginsberg’s dissent is freaking BRILLIANT!
She points out in detail how many women need access to birth control that has nothing to do with preventing birth.

260 J A P  Jun 30, 2014 8:58:57am

re: #136 Lidane

As a woman in a male dominated field, I wouldn’t want to bring up anything in an interview that might draw attention to my gender.

261 allegro  Jun 30, 2014 8:59:32am

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

The higher the nic content, the more the liquid costs, also. For $50, you can get a nice little vaporizer, $10 or so for med sized liquid (which lasts me for at least 3 wks). I use 6 mg of nic and have used samples w/o it at all. Have to replace the vaporizer from time to time, though it’s still a lot cheaper than spending money on tobacco. So, I estimate it costs maybe 1/10th of what I used to spend on tobacco.

I started vaping in 2010 and love it. Like you, I spend maybe 110 of what I did smoking cigarettes. Because it addresses the behavior (oral thing plus having something in my hand to fiddle with) as well as the nicotine addiction, I found it amazingly easy to quit smoking cigarettes and never want to go back.

262 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 8:59:39am

So, now any CEO can just declare that their company/corporation holds “sincerely held religious beliefs” and prevent women from attaining BC from the company insurance policy. Bravo, assholes.

263 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:00:13am

re: #254 Lidane

I’m waiting for the first lawsuit to be brought by a Christian that was denied some benefit or other because his boss of a different faith objected on religious grounds. That should be a hoot.

So, as in when your Jewish employer expects you to be at work at 9 am on a Sunday and you object because you think you ought to be in church? Even if you watch it on TV?

I used to hear that gripe back in the old days, until corps decided they got a lot of business on Sundays, blue laws or not. And believe me, those blue laws fell pretty rapidly, although in NC, the state-controlled ABC stores which sell liquor aren’t open on Sundays, a holdover.

Business usually gets what it wants. Even when it has to invoke “religious” beliefs.

264 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2014 9:00:17am

re: #235 wrenchwench

I think this about sums it up.

265 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:02:11am

re: #262 Dr. Matt

So, now any CEO can just declare that their company/corporation holds “sincerely held religious beliefs” and prevent women from attaining BC from the company insurance policy. Bravo, assholes.

No, it only applies to closely held private companies, not publicly traded companies. If the government can by regulation make the same provision for contraceptive coverage that they do for the employees of non-profits which object to contraceptives, then this ruling will have little effect.

266 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:02:13am

re: #260 J A P

As a woman in a male dominated field, I wouldn’t want to bring up anything in an interview that might draw attention to my gender.

That’s the problem. That and asking about what is covered in a potential employers insurance plan, or what a potential employers religious beliefs are, before being offered a job, is going to send your resume right into the circular filing bin.

267 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:03:02am
268 allegro  Jun 30, 2014 9:03:51am

re: #262 Dr. Matt

So, now any CEO can just declare that their company/corporation holds “sincerely held religious beliefs” and prevent women from attaining BC from the company insurance policy. Bravo, assholes.

I’m hoping most of them will recognize the fiscal idiocy of this.

269 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 9:04:48am

re: #234 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I think we’re soon going to find out all sorts of weird shit employers suddenly object to on “religious grounds”.

The parable about the guy who got paid for a full day when he was the last hired is explicitly against minimum wage.

270 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:04:58am

re: #268 allegro

I’m hoping most of them will recognize the fiscal idiocy of this.

They won’t. Not unless they started losing a large amount of qualified female talent and their recruiting took a hit.

271 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:06:57am

re: #270 Lidane

They won’t. Not unless they started losing a large amount of qualified female talent and their recruiting took a hit.

Let’s hope that married men (and fathers) realize the impact to their own kingdoms, and that companies like this are going to be hurt by male talent, as well. The wimmins don’t matter. But when the mens start to realize what this means to their own worlds, well, maybe something will be done.

272 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 9:07:25am

re: #267 Lidane

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So corporations are a means to protection of the owner’s rights, when the entire purpose of forming a corporation is to avoid personal responsibility.

Figures.

273 gwangung  Jun 30, 2014 9:08:09am

re: #272 wrenchwench

So corporations are a means to protection of the owner’s rights, when the entire purpose of forming a corporation is to avoid personal responsibility.

Figures.

That’s it in a nutshell.

274 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 9:08:17am

re: #265 aagcobb

No, it only applies to closely held private companies, not publicly traded companies. If the government can by regulation make the same provision for contraceptive coverage that they do for the employees of non-profits which object to contraceptives, then this ruling will have little effect.

This ruling is now precedence. It’s one step closer to allowing any company/corporation to prevent women from attaining BC from the company insurance policy, i.e., the law of unintended consequences

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 9:08:39am

Ginsberg:

Any First Amendment Free Exercise Clause claim Hobby Lobby or Conestoga might assert is foreclosed by this Court’s decision in Employment Div., Dept. of Human Resources of Ore. v. Smith, 494 U. S. 872 (1990). In Smith, two members of the Native American Church were dismissed from their jobs and denied unemployment benefits because they ingested peyote at, and as an essential element of, a religious ceremony. Oregon law forbade the consumption of peyote, and this Court, relying on that prohibition, rejected the employees’ claim that the denial of unemployment benefits violated their free exercise rights. The First Amendment is not offended, Smith held, when “prohibiting the exercise of religion … is not the object of [governmental regulation] but merely the incidental effect of a generally applicable and otherwise valid provision.” Id., at 878; see id., at 878-879 (“an individual’s religious beliefs [do not] excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate”). The ACA’s contraceptive coverage requirement applies generally, it is “otherwise valid,” it trains on women’s well being, not on the exercise of religion, and any effect it has on such exercise is incidental.

276 piratedan  Jun 30, 2014 9:09:33am

re: #270 Lidane

BUT THOSE WOMEN SHOULD BE HOME, TENDING THE KIDS AND GETTING DINNER READY FOR THE MASTER OF HIS DOMAIN!

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277 otoc  Jun 30, 2014 9:10:19am

This is an interesting decision by the SCOTUS right based on the shoddy articles I’ve read so far. The Hobby Lobby complaint wasn’t for all forms of contraception. It was for 4 out of 20 prescribed forms that violated their concept of abortion.

The difference being between law (pregnancy begins at the attachment of the egg to the womb) and religious interpretation (pregnancy begins at conception of the sperm entering the egg). As such, Hobby Lobby offered preventive birth control in their health packages. Eeven though I don’t agree with this basic argument, I do expect reporters to know the history of the complaint tracking through the court system.

Yet the news articles I’ve scanned so far say that all forms of contraception are affected.

I guess I’ll have to wait to read the opinions to filter through the crappy reporting.

278 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 9:10:34am

And sadly, young conservative women that use BC and is impacted by this ruling will still continue to vote against their best interest.

279 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:10:36am

re: #274 Dr. Matt

This ruling is now precedence. It’s one step closer to allowing any company/corporation to prevent women from attaining BC from the company insurance policy, i.e., the law of unintended consequences

This makes so little fiscal sense I have a hard time believing that most companies would even consider it. They pay for child birth, which costs thousands of dollars, removes people from the workforce, and impacts business operations (whether mom or dad, but granted, more on mom). I doubt that many corporations are going to want to do that…to pay more for birthing and not birth control.

280 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:11:03am
281 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 9:11:35am

re: #268 allegro

I’m hoping most of them will recognize the fiscal idiocy of this.

Hobby Lobby didn’t.

282 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2014 9:11:50am

I feel like such a sucker, incorporation seems like the way to go.

283 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:11:58am

re: #274 Dr. Matt

This ruling is now precedence. It’s one step closer to allowing any company/corporation to prevent women from attaining BC from the company insurance policy, i.e., the law of unintended consequences

Well the court would have to find that a corporation owned by a vast number of people with widely disparate religious beliefs has its own religious beliefs, which is a pretty long step from the current opinion. And, if the government can provide those contraceptives by regulation like they do for the employees of nonprofits, then it will have little practical effect. Though if it requires Congress to amend the ACA, then those women are SOL.

284 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:12:23am

re: #278 Dr. Matt

And sadly, young conservative women that use BC and is impacted by this ruling will still continue to vote against their best interest.

Anyone who isn’t a rich, white, straight, landowning, evangelical Christian male votes against their own interests when they vote Republican. It’s as simple as that.

285 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 9:12:53am

George Zimmerman’s libel lawsuit against NBC tossed out by Florida judge

At least one common sense ruling was handed out today.

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 9:13:35am

re: #277 otoc

I knew that about the four specific forms of BC, but you’re correct that the reporting implied all forms of BC.
However, the SCOTUS decision came down as a religious one, not based on actual law. And therein lies the real problem.

287 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2014 9:14:15am

re: #283 aagcobb

Well the court would have to find that a corporation owned by a vast number of people with widely disparate religious beliefs has its own religious beliefs…..

Citation?

288 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:14:31am
289 mr.fusion  Jun 30, 2014 9:14:42am

This whole thing is such a joke, but one thing that gets lost in the slut-shaming is that birth control is used for things other than controlling birth.

An employee of Hobby Lobby could have her doctor tell her that the best way for her to prevent ovarian cancer or osteoporosis or a handful of other ailments is with the pill, and Hobby Lobby says, “God says no!”

It’s a freaking joke…talk about big government getting between you and your doctor.

290 allegro  Jun 30, 2014 9:15:08am

re: #279 Joanne

This makes so little fiscal sense I have a hard time believing that most companies would even consider it. They pay for child birth, which costs thousands of dollars, removes people from the workforce, and impacts business operations (whether mom or dad, but granted, more on mom). I doubt that many corporations are going to want to do that…to pay more for birthing and not birth control.

This. I’m wondering how affected insurance companies will respond. If they’re smart and watching their bottom lines (as if that isn’t their reason for being), they will increase their policy costs for companies that apply this restriction.

291 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:15:43am

re: #280 Lidane

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BAM!

292 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 9:16:23am

re: #277 otoc

This is an interesting decision by the SCOTUS right based on the shoddy articles I’ve read so far. The Hobby Lobby complaint wasn’t for all forms of contraception. It was for 4 out of 20 prescribed forms that violated their concept of abortion.

The difference being between law (pregnancy begins at the attachment of the egg to the womb) and religious interpretation (pregnancy begins at conception of the sperm entering the egg). As such, Hobby Lobby offered preventive birth control in their health packages. Eeven though I don’t agree with this basic argument, I do expect reporters to know the history of the complaint tracking through the court system.

Yet the news articles I’ve scanned so far say that all forms of contraception are affected.

I guess I’ll have to wait to read the opinions to filter through the crappy reporting.

True as far as Hobby Lobby goes, but what is to stop another company from excluding birth control pills (or any preventative BC) on the same religious argument?

293 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:16:51am

re: #287 Dr. Matt

Citation?

Held: As applied to closely held corporations, the HHS regulations imposing the contraceptive mandate violate RFRA. Pp. 16-49.

294 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 9:17:19am

re: #277 otoc

This is an interesting decision by the SCOTUS right based on the shoddy articles I’ve read so far. The Hobby Lobby complaint wasn’t for all forms of contraception. It was for 4 out of 20 prescribed forms that violated their concept of abortion.

The difference being between law (pregnancy begins at the attachment of the egg to the womb) and religious interpretation (pregnancy begins at conception of the sperm entering the egg). As such, Hobby Lobby offered preventive birth control in their health packages. Eeven though I don’t agree with this basic argument, I do expect reporters to know the history of the complaint tracking through the court system.

Yet the news articles I’ve scanned so far say that all forms of contraception are affected.

I guess I’ll have to wait to read the opinions to filter through the crappy reporting.

Unless I’ve missed something reported so far over the Interwebs, the ruling doesn’t apply solely to the 4 forms of birth control that HL wanted to ban. It applies to all contraceptives that are offered as part of insurance.

295 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 9:18:00am

re: #280 Lidane

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And, of course, the other shoe drops. Surprised it took them that long.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 9:18:24am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

I knew that about the four specific forms of BC, but you’re correct that the reporting implied all forms of BC.
However, the SCOTUS decision came down as a religious one, not based on actual law. And therein lies the real problem.

Also, this decision opens the door to the really fundamental religious crowd who believe that life begins even before conception.
And yes, those people are alive and well in places like Arizona.

297 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:18:48am
298 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 9:19:40am

What theocracy?

299 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:19:45am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Unless I’ve missed something reported so far over the Interwebs, the ruling doesn’t apply solely to the 4 forms of birth control that HL wanted to ban. It applies to all contraceptives that are offered as part of insurance.

Probably because contraception is a covered “category”, like diabetes supplies.

300 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:20:20am

re: #292 blueraven

True as far as Hobby Lobby goes, but what is to stop another company from excluding birth control pills (or any preventative BC) on the same religious argument?

If its a publicly traded company, it can’t; this only applies to closely held corporations. And I suspect the regulations which allow the government to cover contraceptives for non-profits which object will be written to extend government coverage to these employees. Also, I think many companies will find that the negative publicity which comes with denying their employees birth control coverage won’t be worth it.

301 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 9:20:31am
302 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 9:21:08am

I now hope the actuaries of these insurance companies start showing up in meetings and say that any company that foregoes covering birth control are at a higher risk of costing more for the insurance company, so will have to be charged higher premiums. Birth control every month costs a HELL of a lot less than prenatal, postnatal, delivery, doctor, etc for just one pregnancy. More women getting pregnant means more money paid out by the insurance company. Get to work actuaries.

303 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:21:27am
304 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 9:21:38am

re: #199 Eventual Carrion

Where are the global warming deniers now. I know weather is not climate, but they don’t seem to have trouble denying when it is snowing in winter. Why not claim that GW is true when we are getting August weather before the 4th of July.

It’s definitely gotten hotter here since I was a kid. Also, the winters have been warmer.

305 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 9:23:01am

re: #300 aagcobb

If its a publicly traded company, it can’t; this only applies to closely held corporations. And I suspect the regulations which allow the government to cover contraceptives for non-profits which object will be written to extend government coverage to these employees. Also, I think many companies will find that the negative publicity which comes with denying their employees birth control coverage won’t be worth it.

See my link at littlegreenfootballs.com
90% of companies are defined as closely held.

306 J A P  Jun 30, 2014 9:23:04am

re: #266 Joanne

While I may not be on the bottom of society, I am certainly not so privileged that I’ve ever felt in the catbird seat while applying for a job. I’m going to guess that somewhere around ninety percent, or perhaps more, of women are in my situation. How many people do you know who feel like they are in control when job searching? Almost none of my own acquaintances, including people I know who went to top schools.

307 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:23:36am
308 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 9:24:35am

re: #300 aagcobb

If its a publicly traded company, it can’t; this only applies to closely held corporations. And I suspect the regulations which allow the government to cover contraceptives for non-profits which object will be written to extend government coverage to these employees. Also, I think many companies will find that the negative publicity which comes with denying their employees birth control coverage won’t be worth it.

Duh, I understand about the public vs privately controlled. Which BTW is a very large portion of employers.

Yes there will probably be some govt fix, but that doesn’t stop this slippery slope nor negate the awful decision here one bit.

309 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:24:51am

re: #304 Sionainn

It’s definitely gotten hotter here since I was a kid. Also, the winters have been warmer.

You can also tell long term by looking at tree, bug and animal patterns. More and more impact to previously very cold areas are no longer cold and animals are migrating to areas they’ve never been to before, bugs are impacting plants and trees where winter used to kill them, or it was simply to cold for them to go to to start with, now are showing the impact of climate change.

310 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 9:24:54am

I’m trying to respond on FB to some derp (I know, I know) about the Food Stamp program.

Usually I try to avoid responding to RW outrage porn “shared” on FB because I only have so much time in the day but this particular derp was shared by someone I thought otherwise reasonably intelligent and humane.

There must be an entire wing of the Koch Industries complex that does nothing but turn out outrage porn to be shared on FB, Twitter, etc.

311 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 9:25:51am
312 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 9:26:00am

re: #210 allegro

You know, I understand it but I intensely dislike this argument. It doesn’t fucking matter why a medical decision is made between a woman and her doctor. Whether it is to prevent pregnancy or treat endometriosis, it makes no difference. To suggest it does is simply slut-shaming from the other direction.

I understand completely why you dislike this argument. It does not seem necessary to you. But please remember that coalition building is an inherent part of supporting policies. If there are some people who ARE only upset about the lack of access to contraceptives by “innocent”, non-slutty workers I welcome them to join the rest of us in fighting this bullshit. Politics is tug of war and it is self defeating to only pull with people who agree on how far to pull. Be content they want to pull in the same direction as you even if you want to pull further.

313 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:26:15am

re: #306 J A P

While I may not be on the bottom of society, I am certainly not so privileged that I’ve ever felt in the catbird seat while applying for a job. I’m going to guess that somewhere around ninety percent, or perhaps more, of women are in my situation. How many people do you know who feel like they are in control when job searching? Almost none of my own acquaintances, including people I know who went to top schools.

The people who are in control when job searching are in hundredths of a percent. You have to be from a top Ivy or have a skill set that is so uncommon that you drive what you want. Very, very few people are in that position.

314 J A P  Jun 30, 2014 9:26:21am

re: #271 Joanne

Thanks for noting this isn’t a “women’s issue.” It might cause men to be fathers when they don’t want to be. An eighteen year old cousin who was working as a stock clerk at a big box store joined the army to support his pregnant girlfriend, whom he soon married. They absolutely weren’t ready to be parents, but now they are.

315 Sinistershade  Jun 30, 2014 9:26:27am

re: #306 J A P

While I may not be on the bottom of society, I am certainly not so privileged that I’ve ever felt in the catbird seat while applying for a job. I’m going to guess that somewhere around ninety percent, or perhaps more, of women are in my situation. How many people do you know who feel like they are in control when job searching? Almost none of my own acquaintances, including people I know who went to top schools.

QFT, so much truth

316 Tigger2  Jun 30, 2014 9:26:34am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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The SCOTUS has just ruled to give Religions in America the right to enforce their own form of Sharia law on the American Women.

317 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 9:27:17am
318 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 9:27:34am

re: #241 gwangung

So, the Court is medically illiterate, then?

and scientifically illiterate.

319 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:28:39am

I would personally have chosen the second option as a female.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on Hobby Lobby decision: ‘The mandate overturned today would have required for-profit companies to choose between violating their constitutionally-protected faith or paying crippling fines, which would have forced them to lay off employees or close their doors’ - via @NBCNews
End of alert

But I’m not supposed to know my own mind as a female, so I’ve been told over and over.

Now, some guy’s “faith” is oppressing all women.

320 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 9:29:19am
321 bratwurst  Jun 30, 2014 9:29:44am
322 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 9:29:53am

re: #280 Lidane

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Nice try, whackos

323 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:30:02am
324 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:30:15am

re: #309 Joanne

You can also tell long term by looking at tree, bug and animal patterns. More and more impact to previously very cold areas are no longer cold and animals are migrating to areas they’ve never been to before, bugs are impacting plants and trees where winter used to kill them, or it was simply to cold for them to go to to start with, now are showing the impact of climate change.

We’ve found Japanese beetles in the grass here at the apts this year. For the first time.

325 J A P  Jun 30, 2014 9:31:08am

re: #313 Joanne

I was dating a programmer whose undergraduate degree was from Harvard. He moved to the East Coast from California to live with me and couldn’t find a job here. Life can be a pain for everyone at some point.

326 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:31:22am

I love illiterate derp. I posted about this ruling over on an NPR link at FB and got this:

“You’re comment is the dumbest thing I’ve read all day.”

Haha.

327 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 9:31:23am

re: #302 Eventual Carrion

I now hope the actuaries of these insurance companies start showing up in meetings and say that any company that foregoes covering birth control are at a higher risk of costing more for the insurance company, so will have to be charged higher premiums. Birth control every month costs a HELL of a lot less than prenatal, postnatal, delivery, doctor, etc for just one pregnancy. More women getting pregnant means more money paid out by the insurance company. Get to work actuaries.

THIS, a million times.

328 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 9:32:02am

re: #303 Lidane

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Harry Reid is on a roll. Hope he can do something about this travesty.

329 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 9:32:35am

re: #269 wrenchwench

The parable about the guy who got paid for a full day when he was the last hired is explicitly against minimum wage.

That is a salaried position.

330 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:33:45am

re: #308 blueraven

Duh, I understand about the public vs privately controlled. Which BTW is a very large portion of employers.

Yes there will probably be some govt fix, but that doesn’t stop this slippery slope nor negate the awful decision here one bit.

Yes its 90%, but I suspect very few of them will deny their employees contraceptives. And this decision illustrates for women how important it is to elect the Democratic nominee President in 2016.

331 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 9:34:41am

Remember folks, this is the land of the FREE.

/

332 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 9:35:23am

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

Remember folks, this is the land of the FREE.

/

The only thing free is the air, and before long, the corporations will have found a way to charge you for that too.

333 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2014 9:36:12am

Apparently Facebook has bit the dust

334 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:36:13am

Here we go:

335 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 9:37:17am

re: #334 Lidane

Here we go:

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Well hell, why not? Last I heard, Kennedy’s against homosexuality as well.

336 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:38:22am
337 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:39:36am

re: #328 Sionainn

Harry Reid is on a roll. Hope he can do something about this travesty.

He can’t; even if a fix wasn’t filibustered in the Senate the GOP controlled House would kill it. But I think its possible that HHS can by regulation extend the same coverage to employees of Hobby Lobby as they provide to the employees of nonprofits.

338 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 9:40:41am
339 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 9:40:51am

The companies that don’t cover birth control should be boycotted.

340 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 9:40:59am

re:
#326

#Winning

Fachtuallee rong but still Troo

341 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 9:41:03am

re: #330 aagcobb

Yes its 90%, but I suspect very few of them will deny their employees contraceptives. And this decision illustrates for women how important it is to elect the Democratic nominee President in 2016.

I am glad you are not worried. I don’t share your optimism. A small privately held company with less than a few hundred employees probably wont be subject to a lot of public pressure. And here are a LOT of those.

342 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 9:41:44am
343 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 9:42:33am

re: #298 Gus

What theocracy?

Did somebody ask why wingnuts adore Putin?

344 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 9:42:44am

I had no interest in the France - Nigeria match, but I’m finding myself watching it as a distraction.

It doesn’t erase the fact that SCOTUS has decided that women are second class citizens, but it’s entertaining at least.

345 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:43:47am

Some good news in the opinion for LGBT:

In its ruling for Hobby Lobby, the court—in an opinion authored by arch-conservative Justice Samuel Alito—explicitly stated that RFRA could not be used as a “shield” to “cloak … discrimination in hiring” as a “religious practice to escape legal sanction.” RFRA doesn’t permit employers to break a law when there is a compelling government interest backing that regulation, and, according to Alito, the government “has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the workforce.”

346 gwangung  Jun 30, 2014 9:45:04am

re: #345 aagcobb

Some good news in the opinion for LGBT:

So basically, there’s no compelling government need to make a decision based on sound science and medicine; religion is just as good.

347 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 9:45:17am

re: #345 aagcobb

Some good news in the opinion for LGBT:

How mighty white of him.

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348 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:45:30am

re: #345 aagcobb

Some good news in the opinion for LGBT:

I wonder if realized discrimination will come to light at about the same pace as Lily Ledbetter discovered her pay deficiency.

349 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 9:46:01am

Imagine how obsessed these sorts of CHristians would be with abortion if it was actually mentioned in the Bible.

350 Teukka  Jun 30, 2014 9:46:03am

A question:
Would a potential new meme/insult aimed towards the right be terribly off topic at this juncture?

351 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:47:03am

re: #345 aagcobb

Some good news in the opinion for LGBT:

Not true.

If it were, there would be a more compelling interest in providing b/c to lessen the impact of having to pay welfare in the eyes of conservatives.

352 Kaessa  Jun 30, 2014 9:47:16am

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

I take mine for contraceptive reasons, but only because I take so many other meds that are not compatible with reproduction. If I got pregnant the baby would have 3 heads or something.

353 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 9:47:24am

The twitter stalker who attacked Charles last night is after me, now.

The guy has a serious anger issue, methinks.

354 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:47:28am

re: #346 gwangung

So basically, there’s no compelling government need to make a decision based on sound science and medicine; religion is just as good.

One reason that Hobby Lobby won is that the government can provide its employees contraceptives just like they do for the employees of nonprofits which object, so I strongly suspect that a regulation will issue allowing that.

355 Mike Lamb  Jun 30, 2014 9:48:20am

re: #345 aagcobb

Some good news in the opinion for LGBT:

I’m not sure why anyone would have confidence that Alito’s dicta that you quoted would mean good news for LGBT. This Court just institutionalized discriminating against women.

356 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:48:35am

re: #353 Aunty Entity Dragon

The twitter stalker who attacked Charles last night is after me, now.

The guy has a serious anger issue, methinks.

Please be careful. There are some real whackjobs out there and he sounds like one of them.

357 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 9:50:15am

re: #352 Kaessa

I take mine for contraceptive reasons, but only because I take so many other meds that are not compatible with reproduction. If I got pregnant the baby would have 3 heads or something.

One result of this ruling will be an increase in ‘voluntary’ sterilizations.

‘Pro-life’ never is, it seems.

358 Joanne  Jun 30, 2014 9:51:04am

re: #354 aagcobb

One reason that Hobby Lobby won is that the government can provide its employees contraceptives just like they do for the employees of nonprofits which object, so I strongly suspect that a regulation will issue allowing that.

Until which time a Republican is in the WH.

359 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:51:41am

re: #355 Mike Lamb

I’m not sure why anyone would have confidence that Alito’s dicta that you quoted would mean good news for LGBT. This Court just institutionalized discriminating against women.

Kennedy wrote about it in his Hobby Lobby opinion as well, and he has been the point man for LGBT rights on the Court. Without Kennedy, the Right doesn’t have the five votes it needs to do anything.

360 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 9:51:46am

re: #347 Targetpractice

How mighty white of him.

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Nothng like be mansplained by a white Catholic guy in his dotage.

361 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 9:52:15am
362 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:52:59am

re: #358 Joanne

Until which time a Republican is in the WH.

Which gives the Democrats another “War on Women” issue for the 2016 election. Almost every woman in the US uses contraceptives at some point in their lives.

363 Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2014 9:53:08am

re: #354 aagcobb

Oh, stop carrying Alito’s water.

You don’t either know what can be done because anything that would have to be done to make the state service these women would need an act of (this GOP) Congress to go anywhere.

364 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 9:53:59am

re: #363 Chrysicat

Oh, stop carrying Alito’s water.

You don’t either know what can be done because anything that would have to be done to make the state service these women would need an act of (this GOP) Congress to go anywhere.

What the hell in that post made you level the accusation of “Carrying ALioto’s water”?

Read it again.

365 aagcobb  Jun 30, 2014 9:54:00am

re: #363 Chrysicat

Oh, stop carrying Alito’s water.

You don’t either know what can be done because anything that would have to be done to make the state service these women would need an act of (this GOP) Congress to go anywhere.

I’m not sure about that: I think it could be done by regulation.

366 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:54:09am

re: #360 Aunty Entity Dragon

Nothng like be mansplained by a white Catholic guy in his dotage.

Or a pandering Republican idiot.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., on Hobby Lobby decision: ‘The Supreme Court has correctly recognized that Obamacare’s trampling of religious liberty in the Hobby Lobby case should not stand’ - via @NBCNews
End of alert

Go fuck yourself, you crook.

367 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 9:54:33am

re: #350 Teukka

A question:
Would a potential new meme/insult aimed towards the right be terribly off topic at this juncture?

My opinion? No.

368 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 9:54:43am
369 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 9:55:03am

re:
#368

Stay classy, conservatives.

370 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 9:55:23am

re: #368 Kragar

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THERE’S NO WAR ON WOMEN!!!

371 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 9:55:30am

My religious beliefs say I don’t need to pay taxes. HOORAY! I DON’T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ANYMORE!

372 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 9:55:48am

re:
#366

TRAMPLING of religious LIBERTEEEE!!!111

373 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 9:56:32am

re: #368 Kragar

By this very logic, of course, someone’s religion allows him to fire people because of their religious beliefs, if his religion isn’t tolerant enough.

374 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 9:57:00am

re: #371 Kragar

My religious beliefs say I don’t need to pay taxes. HOORAY! I DON’T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ANYMORE!

The idiots just don’t get it. Or they do and then they are sociopaths.

375 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 9:57:05am

re: #371 Kragar

My religious beliefs say I don’t need to pay taxes. HOORAY! I DON’T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ANYMORE!

This is all good news for Slannesh.

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 30, 2014 9:57:20am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

I would personally have chosen the second option as a female.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on Hobby Lobby decision: ‘The mandate overturned today would have required for-profit companies to choose between violating their constitutionally-protected faith or paying crippling fines, which would have forced them to lay off employees or close their doors’ - via @NBCNews
End of alert

But I’m not supposed to know my own mind as a female, so I’ve been told over and over.

Now, some guy’s “faith” is oppressing all women.

It’s not some guy’s “faith” - it’s a corporation’s “faith”.

377 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Or a pandering Republican idiot.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., on Hobby Lobby decision: ‘The Supreme Court has correctly recognized that Obamacare’s trampling of religious liberty in the Hobby Lobby case should not stand’ - via @NBCNews
End of alert

Go fuck yourself, you crook.

That’s right, religious liberty. Also, I hope they don’t let those fucking Muslims build a mosque in my town. Religious freedom for some.

//

378 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 9:57:26am

Comic relief;
LOL at all the people who believe SCOTUSblog is actually the twitter account for SCOTUS.

The replies are priceless

379 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 9:58:19am

re: #373 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

By this very logic, of course, someone’s religion allows him to fire people because of their religious beliefs, if his religion isn’t tolerant enough.

(Sc)Alito tries to walk that back and says you can’t really do that…but we know that once the door is opened, good fucking luck closing it.

380 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 9:58:24am

re: #376 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not some guy’s “faith” - it’s a corporation’s “faith”.

Oh sure, but Big Daddy makes the rules, doncha know. He holds his corp closely to his burly, manly chest.

381 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 9:59:00am
382 Teukka  Jun 30, 2014 10:00:36am

re: #367 Sionainn

My opinion? No.

Well, this is only a template for said insult, modify, reword and add seasoning according to personal taste:

I used to believe that the movement called the Tea Party demeaned the events and struggles surrounding the original events in Boston Harbor.
But now, I find the name strangely fitting.
I mean, exposing a teabag to the simplest of solvents, water, makes the watery brown color come out.

Intellectual Property Notice:

This meme/insult basis is hereby placed in the public domain. No warranty is implied or given, it is provided on an as-is basis, do not inhale, not suitable for all users etc. etc. etc.

Also, attribution not required.

*ducks behind sandbags and waits*

383 Zamb  Jun 30, 2014 10:00:47am

re: #381 Kragar

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Well conservatism has become a religion these days so I can’t imagine that is far off.

384 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 10:01:26am

re:
#376

Paying crippling fines=—-CRIPPLING!!!!!111

385 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 10:02:11am

re: #376 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not some guy’s “faith” - it’s a corporation’s “faith”.

I’ve seen this movie before.

It was called “Rollarball”.
Youtube Video

386 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:02:33am

re: #379 Aunty Entity Dragon

(Sc)Alito tries to walk that back and says you can’t really do that…but we know that once the door is opened, good fucking luck closing it.

Who cares what they say? Once you have established the principle, you can’t take it back.

387 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:02:39am

But women are somehow equal under the law? Pfft.

388 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:02:51am

White House says Supreme Court ruling on contraception coverage jeopardizes women’s health - @AP
End of alert

389 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 10:02:59am
390 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 10:03:04am

So corporations have rights but not responsibilities. What sort of person can boast that?

391 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 10:03:26am

re: #390 Targetpractice

So corporations have rights but not responsibilities. What sort of person can boast that?

Tea Baggers

392 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2014 10:03:42am

re: #390 Targetpractice

A psychopath?

393 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:03:58am

re: #390 Targetpractice

So corporations have rights but not responsibilities. What sort of person can boast that?

It’s high time to indict certain corporations for rape. half-/

394 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 10:05:44am

The single biggest mistake in the history of court decisions was probably the beginning of the chain that held that the 14th applied to corporations. It should have been a new set of rights, not ones based on individuals, for the (to me) patently obvious reason that corporations and people are nothing the fuck at all alike.

395 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 10:07:24am

re: #393 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Bankruptcy should be akin to the death penalty. Individuals who run these corporations would think twice before going bankrupt.. //////

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:08:01am

Interesting link related to SCOTUS for those who are interested. I’m waiting for a possible audio/video link to Ginsberg’s dissent.
There are some good video links there for previous decisions.

397 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:09:27am

re: #390 Targetpractice

So corporations have rights but not responsibilities. What sort of person can boast that?

Conservatives.

398 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2014 10:09:29am

re: #390 Targetpractice

So corporations have rights but not responsibilities. What sort of person can boast that?

Rich white ones.

399 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 10:09:36am

Ginsburg: “[I]n a decision of startling breadth,” this decision would allow corporations to opt out of almost any law that they find “incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.”

Here are seven more key quotes from Ginsburg’s dissent in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby:

“The exemption sought by Hobby Lobby and Conestoga would…deny legions of women who do not hold their employers’ beliefs access to contraceptive coverage”
“Religious organizations exist to foster the interests of persons subscribing to the same religious faith. Not so of for-profit corporations. Workers who sustain the operations of those corporations commonly are not drawn from one religious community.”
“Any decision to use contraceptives made by a woman covered under Hobby Lobby’s or Conestoga’s plan will not be propelled by the Government, it will be the woman’s autonomous choice, informed by the physician she consults.”
“It bears note in this regard that the cost of an IUD is nearly equivalent to a month’s full-time pay for workers earning the minimum wage.”
“Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah’s Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today’s decision.”
“Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be ‘perceived as favoring one religion over another,’ the very ‘risk the [Constitution’s] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude.”
“The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield.”

400 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 10:09:58am

re: #393 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s high time to indict certain corporations for rape. half-/

Like KBR in Iraq?

401 otoc  Jun 30, 2014 10:10:13am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Unless I’ve missed something reported so far over the Interwebs, the ruling doesn’t apply solely to the 4 forms of birth control that HL wanted to ban. It applies to all contraceptives that are offered as part of insurance.

CNN has now reported that the decision was based on the 4 out of 20 forms of birth control which helps me understand that the framework of the decision was based on the actual complaint and did not expand upon that which was argued in the lower courts.

Supreme Court rules against Obama in contraception case

Then again, I have trouble understanding why this decision has basically ruled against all other standing precedent that establishes the difference between legal definitions of conception and religious ones in terms of abortion. That’s the slippery slope I’d base a dissenting opinion on.

Another point now being written about in the CNN article is that the decision applies to “closely held” companies and not just privately held.

I’ll have to read the actual opinions as time allows, but it does seem that the first round of news was rushed and as such makes the reporters seem like idiots. And, as usual, the far right has run with it.

402 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:10:21am

re: #399 S’latch

Yes, her dissent is well worth the time to read.

403 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:10:44am

Live video: White House holds daily briefing - @NBCNews
see original on msnbc.com

404 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 10:10:45am

re: #392 Jayleia

A psychopath?

Ayep. Corporations are being treated more and more by the law as psychopaths, amoral constructs whose only purpose is to engage in measures it takes to enrich themselves. We long ago dropped any notion that an employer has a responsibility to look after his employees, in favor of the alternative that employees are expenses like paperclips or printer toner, a cost that must be minimized in whatever fashion is necessary to ensure high stock prices.

405 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:10:46am

re: #394 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

“Corporations are persons” is a defective way of saying “corporations represent persons”. Of course, representation through a corporation is a very special way of representation, to which not all rules applying to physical persons themselves should necessarily apply. They may, in theory, but then again, they may not, so merely saying that corporations should have the same rights as the persons they represent is flawed thinking (I’m being a master of understatement here, of course.). A claim that corporations should have the same free speech rights should be defended - if it’s at all defensible - by other arguments.

406 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 10:10:54am

OT, but I just saw this on the Al Jazeera scrawl;

The Israeli Army has found three bodies in Hebron according to reports.

Breaking news, so no further details. I hope it’s not those three Israeli teens kidnapped awhile ago, but sadly, I fear it is.

407 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:11:14am

re: #400 Aunty Entity Dragon

The thought did cross my mind.

408 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:11:56am

‘The constitutional lawyer in the Oval Office disagrees’ with Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest says - live video
End of alert

Has an ex-President ever been appointed to the Supreme Court?

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:12:04am

re: #405 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Corporations are people, my friend!” — a seriously delusional Mitt Romney

410 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 10:12:23am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

Taft

411 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 10:12:23am

re: #406 Dr Lizardo

OT, but I just saw this on the Al Jazeera scrawl;

The Israeli Army has found three bodies in Hebron according to reports.

Breaking news, so no further details. I hope it’s not those three Israeli teens kidnapped awhile ago, but sadly, I fear it is.

Damn. Bad stuff.

412 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:13:09am
413 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 10:13:23am

Off to run errands for a bit.

414 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:13:27am
415 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 10:13:52am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Corporations are people, my friend!” — a seriously delusional Mitt Romney

SCOTUS: “Corporations are people, my friend. Female employees, not so much.”

416 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:14:04am

Aftermath of a flash flood

417 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:14:26am

I don’t know why I should treat the persons trying to impose their religion upon me different than I would treat the Taliban.

418 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 10:14:28am

Because the religious right (both the group and the principle asserted) gets to impose their beliefs on their employees does not stand for the principle of religious freedom. It means that employers get to impose their religious beliefs on their employees. The BC limitations in HL are the first step in that process; despite the Court’s limitation that it doesn’t apply to Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christian Scientists, the Court has kicked those issues down the line and they will work their way back to the Court eventually.

419 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 10:15:07am

re: #416 Backwoods_Sleuth

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420 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 10:15:57am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

Taft.

421 Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2014 10:16:17am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

‘The constitutional lawyer in the Oval Office disagrees’ with Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest says - live video
End of alert

Has an ex-President ever been appointed to the Supreme Court?

Only once. Taft was actually CJUS from 1921-30.

422 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:16:25am

re: #418 lawhawk

heh…

423 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:16:41am
424 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 10:17:00am

re: #418 lawhawk

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Because the religious right (both the group and the principle asserted) gets to impose their beliefs on their employees does not stand for the principle of religious freedom. It means that employers get to impose their religious beliefs on their employees. The BC limitations in HL are the first step in that process; despite the Court’s limitation that it doesn’t apply to Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christian Scientists, the Court has kicked those issues down the line and they will work their way back to the Court eventually.

Just as SCOTUS didn’t outright overturn gay marriage bans, but the lower courts are interpreting their ruling on Prop 8 as setting the precedent to do so.

425 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 10:18:32am

re: #423 Gus

… what would have happened if Hobby Lobby was Muslim owned rather than Christian.

That’s easy: Cert. Denied.

426 SpaceJesus  Jun 30, 2014 10:19:13am

The majority is dumb, it will be overturned eventually.

Ginsburg’s dissent covers all the “this is illogical bullshit” bases p. much.

m.motherjones.com

427 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:19:34am
428 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:19:42am

OH NO

429 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:19:45am
430 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:20:12am

Yeah, Taft. Chief Justice, even.

“Taft enjoyed his years on the court and was respected by his peers. Justice Felix Frankfurter once remarked to Justice Louis Brandeis that it was “difficult for me to understand why a man who is so good a Chief Justice…could have been so bad as President.”[109] Taft remains the only person to have led both the Executive and Judicial branches of the United States government. He considered his time as Chief Justice to be the highest point of his career; allegedly, he once remarked “I do not remember that I was ever President”.[111]

en.wikipedia.org

431 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 30, 2014 10:21:08am

Seriously, what’s the obsession with consequence-free sex? Is the right so thoroughly infected with Calvinsim that every positive experience must have some sort of misery (or at least pointless toil) attached to it?

432 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:21:16am
433 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:21:45am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

OH NO

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Awful, just awful. I think one was 19, and the other two were 14.

434 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:21:59am

It’s not rocket science. If your beliefs tell you that trees are human beings, and therefore lumberjacks are murderers, that’s your own personal business. You don’t have a right to impose this belief - as long as it is unsupported by verifiable intersubjective facts - in any form, including the form of the law, upon anybody else.

435 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:22:33am

I’m not seeing this on Israeli news feeds.

436 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 30, 2014 10:22:50am

re: #430 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, Taft. Chief Justice, even.

“Taft enjoyed his years on the court and was respected by his peers. Justice Felix Frankfurter once remarked to Justice Louis Brandeis that it was “difficult for me to understand why a man who is so good a Chief Justice…could have been so bad as President.”[109] Taft remains the only person to have led both the Executive and Judicial branches of the United States government. He considered his time as Chief Justice to be the highest point of his career; allegedly, he once remarked “I do not remember that I was ever President”.[111]

en.wikipedia.org

That actually doesn’t surprise me. The personality and thinking processes for effective President-ing vs Chief Justice-ing would be different. And the pressures and interactions would be different as well. The latter probably fit Taft a lot better, plus not having the shadow of Teddy looming over him the whole time.

437 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 10:24:10am

re: #431 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Seriously, what’s the obsession with consequence-free sex? Is the right so thoroughly infected with Calvinsim that every positive experience must have some sort of misery (or at least pointless toil) attached to it?

Only for women, really.

Not so much Calvinism, but all flavors of patriarchy.

438 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:24:37am

re: #434 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Belief that abortion is murder is akin to belief that woodcutting is murder. You’re welcome to hold it personally, but unless you are able to actually prove it, STFU and let other people be.

439 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:25:12am

re: #435 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m not seeing this on Israeli news feeds.

440 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:25:20am
441 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 10:26:30am

re: #438 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Belief that abortion is murder is akin to belief that woodcutting is murder. You’re welcome to hold it personally, but unless you are able to actually prove it, STFU and let other people be.

Yes. The pushback must not be limited to insurance coverage for contraception. It must go all the way to removing all restrictions on spending tax dollars for abortion, both nationally and internationally. Women are dying right now form these restrictions.

442 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 10:26:59am

re: #435 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m not seeing this on Israeli news feeds.

Possibly because the Israeli papers have to run those kinds of reports by the IDF first (security operations).

Haaretz is reporting major developments in search, Israeli forces poised near Hebron. Security Cabinet set to hold emergency meeting shortly (9:30pm local time).

443 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:27:03am

Large numbers of Israeli forces have moved into a West Bank village as part of a search for 3 Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped earlier this month - @AP
End of alert

444 Zamb  Jun 30, 2014 10:27:03am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

‘The constitutional lawyer in the Oval Office disagrees’ with Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest says - live video
End of alert

Has an ex-President ever been appointed to the Supreme Court?

Yea like others said Taft, but I wouldn’t really want Obama appointed since he would likely have to recuse himself from any decision stemming from his policy or action.

445 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:27:09am

How long before employers can require female employees to wear burquas?

November elections will be interesting.

446 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:28:17am
447 Mike Lamb  Jun 30, 2014 10:28:31am

re: #423 Gus

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They’d be selling glue sticks in Guatanamo.

448 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:29:04am

Apparently (allegedly) the anti-terrorist op in Ukraine will continue today. Military emergency may be declared.

449 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 10:29:06am
450 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 10:29:18am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s what I was afraid of.

451 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 10:29:48am

re: #432 Lidane

So why do Christian Scientists need to pay for blood transfusions? Oh, because it’s not sex-related.

More like because there are not six Christian Scientists on the Supreme Court. Only one of the six Catholics voted against Hobby Lobby.

Seems more like the Supreme Court is imposing ITS religion upon the country and not merely letting random religious employers impose their own tenets upon employees.

452 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 10:30:28am

re: #444 Zamb

Yea like others said Taft, but I wouldn’t really want Obama appointed since he would likely have to recuse himself from any decision stemming from his policy or action.

Yeah, true unfortunately. Is there a clone? : )

453 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:30:30am

re: #449 Kragar

Yep. That’s the next step in the conservative march towards a new Gilded Age.

454 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 10:31:40am

re: #431 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Seriously, what’s the obsession with consequence-free sex? Is the right so thoroughly infected with Calvinsim that every positive experience must have some sort of misery (or at least pointless toil) attached to it?

There really isn’t a direct parallel to Calvinism in Islam, but I’d say Salafism tends to come fairly close. Particularly in regards to the dread that someone, somewhere, may well be having a good time.

455 allegro  Jun 30, 2014 10:32:18am

re: #444 Zamb

Yea like others said Taft, but I wouldn’t really want Obama appointed since he would likely have to recuse himself from any decision stemming from his policy or action.

Like Justice Thomas has had to recuse himself from cases that directly influence his wife and considerable income?

456 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:33:24am

re: #95 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I feel like I need to apologize for other men. ugh.

It would help

sad as it is.

457 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:33:29am
458 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:33:55am

afternoon is going to get bumpy for northern Illinois and southern Wisconsin.

459 gwangung  Jun 30, 2014 10:34:03am

re: #455 allegro

Like Justice Thomas has had to recuse himself from cases that directly influence his wife and considerable income?

IOKIYAR.

460 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:34:07am
461 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 10:34:13am

re:
#457

Well, that sucks really terrible.

462 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:34:23am

Baruch Dayan H’Emet.

463 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 10:34:36am

re: #460 Pie-onist Overlord

dammit

464 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 10:35:07am

re: #431 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Seriously, what’s the obsession with consequence-free sex? Is the right so thoroughly infected with Calvinsim that every positive experience must have some sort of misery (or at least pointless toil) attached to it?

American Conservatism is deeply rooted in, amongst many other scummy things, the belief that women should be subservient to men and only exist for the pleasure of men. The American Right is threatened by women that have control over their own reproduction and sexuality, by women who do not need men. “Consequence-free sex” is one of many bullshit euphemisms for “women that are not tied down by the burden of childbirth to whichever man happens to get between their legs first”.

It’s bullshit because there’s all sorts of “consequence-free sex” that you can have regardless of what the laws on abortion or contraceptives are; pretty much anything not involving vaginal penetration is vanishingly unlikely to produce a pregnancy. To say nothing of non-heterosexual sex, or sex between sterile partners, or any number of other situations.

Like so much of American Right-Wing ideology, it’s a bunch of bullshit propagated by a legion of scumbags.

465 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:35:34am

I can’t read the whole thread.

All I can say is that I am not surprised. After they decided that child rape is not a capital crime, I knew that the penis still rules in this country.

So, again, it comes down to individual woman and our bitchiness to demand our birthright.

Equality under the law.

466 KiTA  Jun 30, 2014 10:36:04am

So how do we repair this, and the other horrible, horrible decisions the activist judges on the SCOTUS have been pushing through? Is there any remedy?

Can a later Supreme Court find that basically Roberts and his cronies were full of shit, or do we HAVE to wait for an amendment or just put up with the assassination of organized labor, and women being officially recognized as second class citizens?

467 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:36:18am

re: #454 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly, in the good old times some Islamic peoples seem to have had far more free views on sex, including homosexuality and sex outside marriage. That is, if my reading of the unabridged 1001 Nights is not incorrect. :)

468 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:36:18am
469 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:36:29am
470 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 10:36:57am

re: #466 KiTA

So how do we repair this, and the other horrible, horrible decisions the activist judges on the SCOTUS have been pushing through? Is there any remedy?

Can a later Supreme Court find that basically Roberts and his cronies were full of shit, or do we HAVE to wait for an amendment or just put up with the assassination of organized labor, and women being officially recognized as second class citizens?

I was wondering the same thing.

471 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:37:30am

*FLIPS DESK*

472 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:37:38am

re: #470 Sionainn

I was wondering the same thing.

Keep on keeping on. Use the system, wait it out.

Attrition is our friend.

473 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 10:38:06am

re: #471 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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WTF?!

474 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:38:19am

re: #471 Pie-onist Overlord

Benny needs professional help.

475 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:38:55am

Ben is blaming Obama for these kids’ murder.

476 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:39:41am

BEN CAN’T YOU JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GRIEVE LIKE A HUMAN BEING. SAY PSALMS OR SOMETHING.

477 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:39:48am

re: #467 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Interestingly, in the good old times some Islamic peoples seem to have had far more free views on sex, including homosexuality and sex outside marriage. That is, if my reading of the unabridged 1001 Nights is not incorrect. :)

People had far more free views on sex 20 years ago.

I can’t believe the level of ignorance and freaking purity bullshit that comes out of people’s mouths. I have a feeling that it is not that way in areas where weed is decriminalized.

478 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:39:57am

re: #475 Pie-onist Overlord

Or, IOW, Ben is using these kids’ murder to attack Obama. Show how much he really cares.

479 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:40:16am

re: #471 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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WTF?

480 SpaceJesus  Jun 30, 2014 10:40:37am

re: #471 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this

481 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:41:12am

Time to donate more to Planned Parenthood, for those who cannot afford birth control.

482 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:41:45am

re: #480 SpaceJesus

What is this

Dear SpaceJesus, can you please send a diarrhea ray down on poor Ben?

483 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 10:42:34am

re: #476 Pie-onist Overlord

BEN CAN’T YOU JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GRIEVE LIKE A HUMAN BEING. SAY PSALMS OR SOMETHING.

Of course not. This has the beginnings of another good “scandal.”

484 Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2014 10:43:26am

re: #477 FemNaziBitch

People had far more free views on sex 20 years ago.

I can’t believe the level of ignorance and freaking purity bullshit that comes out of people’s mouths. I have a feeling that it is not that way in areas where weed is decriminalized.

I have a feeling you’d be wrong about that. I’ve never seen Colorado to be particularly opposed to slut-shaming, and we’ve had our weed shops up longer than Washington has…

485 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:43:54am
486 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:43:58am

re: #469 Gus

Sincerely held religious principles!

487 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 10:44:19am

re: #467 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Interestingly, in the good old times some Islamic peoples seem to have had far more free views on sex, including homosexuality and sex outside marriage. That is, if my reading of the unabridged 1001 Nights is not incorrect. :)

Well, the Ottoman Empire was one of the first in the world to decriminalize homosexuality, all the way back in 1858.

Long before practically anyone else. Despite their faults and flaws, the Ottomans could be astonishingly progressive from time to time.

488 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 10:44:33am
489 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:44:35am

Haliburton was a scam. Blackwater was evil. The Iraq war was another scam. Yep, the left was right about all of it.

Yep, and I’m Michael Moore. Nope.

490 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 10:45:59am
491 Skip Intro  Jun 30, 2014 10:46:06am

re: #466 KiTA

So how do we repair this, and the other horrible, horrible decisions the activist judges on the SCOTUS have been pushing through? Is there any remedy?

Can a later Supreme Court find that basically Roberts and his cronies were full of shit, or do we HAVE to wait for an amendment or just put up with the assassination of organized labor, and women being officially recognized as second class citizens?

I suppose it could happen, Not in my lifetime, though, and probably not in yours either.

The crap this Supreme Court has carved into stone will be with us for many decades, and probably longer.

492 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 10:46:58am

re:
#475

Ben is just awful.

493 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 10:48:07am

re: #406 Dr Lizardo

OT, but I just saw this on the Al Jazeera scrawl;

The Israeli Army has found three bodies in Hebron according to reports.

Breaking news, so no further details. I hope it’s not those three Israeli teens kidnapped awhile ago, but sadly, I fear it is.

Shit

494 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:48:34am
495 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:49:59am
496 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 10:50:06am

Three Bodies Found Believed to Be Missing Israelis

“They know it’s the three, they will know for sure after they do the autopsy,” the official said. The three appeared to have been shot to death, likely “very close to the kidnap” time, the official said, and the prime suspects had still not been caught.

497 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:50:14am

re: #491 Skip Intro

I suppose it could happen, Not in my lifetime, though, and probably not in yours either.

The crap this Supreme Court has carved into stone will be with us for many decades, and probably longer.

Unless alcohol is involved, then decisions can be reversed in a decade.

498 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 30, 2014 10:50:31am

as I have stated her before.. totally expected outcome from this Supreme Court, the worst in US History.

The Plutocratic American Theocracy is here thanks to 40 years of Republican playing footsies with evangelical neanderthals, and Democratic weakness and lack of any sort of backbone whatsoever. A hard right religious America is going to get exactly what it deserves- a long term suffering of the middle class and intellectual stagnation (if not a full on brain drain)..

499 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:51:02am

re: #495 Gus

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oh pleez, Gus, don’t you get it?

Contraception is abortion

500 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:51:02am

re: #495 Gus

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For them, some forms of contraception = abortions. (And woodcutting = murder coz trees are pplz).

501 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:52:00am

OK. I forgot. According to RWNJs masturbation = abortion.

502 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 10:52:08am

re:
#495

RWNJ don’t care about abortions. They care about consequence-free sexy time for womenz

503 Mike Lamb  Jun 30, 2014 10:53:24am

re: #494 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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James Gandolfini says what?

504 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:53:27am
505 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 10:53:40am

re: #501 Gus

OK. I forgot. According to RWNJs masturbation = abortion.

I have become Shiva, destroyer of worlds

506 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:54:22am

re: #501 Gus

For them abortion is anything that destroys an already fertilized egg.

507 Mike Lamb  Jun 30, 2014 10:54:50am

re: #502 Bulworth

re:
#495

RWNJ don’t care about abortions. They care about consequence-free sexy time for womenz

No, they care about abortions. They just don’t care about the kids once they are outside the womb.

508 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:54:56am

Oh, this will get the Whackos calling for violent revolution in 3 . 2 . 1 . .

509 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:55:28am

re: #506 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

For them abortion is anything that destroys an already fertilized egg.

Yes, but sperm is life! :D

510 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:55:38am

re: #508 FemNaziBitch

Good.

511 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:55:39am

re: #507 Mike Lamb

No, they care about abortions. They just don’t care about the kids once they are outside the womb.

because the moral responsibility falls on to the parent or the individual child.

*ugh*

512 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:55:56am

re: #509 Gus

Not human life.

513 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 10:56:18am

re: #501 Gus

OK. I forgot. According to RWNJs masturbation = abortion.

Repeat after me:

Every. Sperm. Is. Sacred.

514 TedStriker  Jun 30, 2014 10:56:34am

re: #508 FemNaziBitch

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Oh, this will get the Whackos calling for violent revolution in 3 . 2 . 1 . .

OBAMAO IS A DICTATOR!!!!11ty

515 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:57:32am

There is a reason is was so freaking difficult to pass the 19th Amendment. There is a reason the ERA is not law.

All men were created equal —

literally.

516 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 10:57:40am

re: #506 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

For them abortion is anything that destroys an already fertilized egg.

Or prevents the sperm from reaching the egg. Like when a woman says ‘no’.

517 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 10:57:45am

re: #512 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not human life.

Yes. But I can use my religion to make up facts. My church says sperm is life. Therefore, it’s life!

//

518 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:58:08am

re: #513 lawhawk

Repeat after me:

Every. Sperm. Is. Sacred.

Youtube Video

519 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 10:58:27am

re: #516 wrenchwench

Or prevents the sperm from reaching the egg. Like when a woman says ‘no’.

Legitimate Rape?

520 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 10:58:39am

But I don’t see why a religious belief that every sperm is sacred and is a human is any more absurd that that any fertilized egg is a human being.

521 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 11:00:06am

re: #517 Gus

Yes. But I can use my religion to make up facts. My church says sperm is life. Therefore, it’s life!

//

No you can’t. Alito made sure of that…

522 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 11:00:53am

I don’t see how a law respecting some classes of religious beliefs but not others is not making a religion official contrary to the 1st amdt.

523 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:01:06am

Humans are to breed like rabbits —it’s g-d’s will.

The condition of the life of the woman or the child are of no consequence.

524 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 11:02:36am

And as always, this is being served under the sauce of “we’re being the real victims here!”.

525 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2014 11:02:42am

I was busy with some business meetings this morning and just got back. Anyway, I have no idea what all has already been said it this large and growing larger thread.

So, I’ll just toss in my feelings are very much in-line with Rev Arthur Billing.

And I hope that this decision by the Supremes is as clear an indication as can be that there is in fact a War on Women by the conservatives (most likely driven by male religious attitudes).

So, I suggest it is high time for the women (and supportive men of women making their own decisions on health issues) to decide that the war is truly on.

So women of America…enjoin the battle and declare war on conservative and fundamental religious thinking and take fight to them.

Women at War with American Conservative Thinking

There are more females than males, so right off the get-go you have a numbers advantage. Use it. Those numbers if activated and motivated should send shivers down conservative spines (if they do have spines). You can control the vote.

Make this 2014 election count. Talk to all women and all men and explain that birth control has a hell of a lot of benefits for you and men. Get them to understand that this is the type of decisions they can look forward to if the Republicans and TeaParty types along with religious zealots get more control and get majorities in both houses of congress.

I hope this gets the women going and they kick some major ass this fall and in the future, It is the only way this crap changes. I am pretty sure many men will be right there with you. I know I will.

Now, back to reading. And sorry if I am going over already covered ground. I also see many photoshops in this.

526 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 11:05:37am

re: #412 Gus

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“and wanting to “fuck for free.”. Because all those white men know that you have to pay, big time, for a good fuck. They could get it from home, but they have to pay for a good fuck.

527 klys  Jun 30, 2014 11:07:12am

Well this was a fucking depressing as shit way to wake up.

528 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:08:18am

re: #527 klys

Well this was a fucking depressing as shit way to wake up.

yup

529 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:08:18am

I encourage Erick to eat as much as he can possibly hold, and do it all year.

530 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 11:09:08am

re: #529 jaunte

“I’m going to have Chick-Fil-A for lunch to celebrate the Hobby Lobby win.”

Hope you cho have a good meal.

531 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 11:09:32am
532 b.d.  Jun 30, 2014 11:09:46am

re: #529 jaunte

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I encourage Erick to eat as much as he can possibly hold, and do it all year.

Hahaha. So Erick is going to celebrate a Hobby Lobby win by not shopping at Hobby Lobby?

OK.

533 TedStriker  Jun 30, 2014 11:10:57am

re: #529 jaunte

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I encourage Erick to eat as much as he can possibly hold, and do it all year.

Damn, Erick is such a smug, insufferable prick.

534 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:11:38am

re: #532 b.d.

His timeline is filled with the most vicious stuff. He is really as bad as the most nasty caricature of a religious bigot you can imagine.

535 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 11:11:39am
536 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 11:12:09am
537 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:12:23am
538 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 11:13:15am
539 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 11:13:29am

re: #537 FemNaziBitch

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That doesn’t make a bit of sense.

540 b.d.  Jun 30, 2014 11:13:30am

re: #534 jaunte

His timeline is filled with the most vicious stuff. He is really as bad as the most nasty caricature of a religious bigot you can imagine.

So, he’s a troll hiding behind a cross?

541 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:14:20am

I may be saying some nasty things in future about the religion of
My Ego/Conscience Trumps Your Freedom.

542 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:15:30am
543 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2014 11:16:11am
544 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 11:17:54am

re:
#529

Erick son of Erick just must be happy that the SCOTUS overturned Obamacare. Wait, you mean it didn’t? The individual mandate and the ACA exchanges, and the Medicaid expansion are still good? Oh, well, let Erick son of Erick have his one small moment of joy that some people aren’t getting full healthcare. This is all that makes them happy. Oh that, and the SCOTUS upholding Prop 8 and the DOMA. Wait, you mean they didn’t, and people can get gay-married? Yeah, Erick son of Erick’s side has sure won a lot lately, hasn’t it?

/

545 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 11:17:56am

Donetsk “people’s mayor” Gubarev:

Если группа идентифицирована точно — стреляйте не колеблясь, даже в заведомо несовершеннолетних и девушек. Они с вами так не поступают только потому, что тупые, они бы вас не пожалели, помните об этом.
If the group [of “banderovites”] has been identified with certainty - shoot without thinking, even into the obviously underage and girls. They don’t do it to you only because they’re dumb, they wouldn’t have pitied you, remember about this.

546 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:18:28am

re: #543 CuriousLurker

In recent times in Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khameni has issued a fatwa permitting abortion for foetuses under 10 weeks shown to have the genetic blood disorder thalassemia.

And also in Iran, Grand Ayatollah Yusuf Saanei issued a fatwa which permits abortion in the first three months for various reasons.
bbc.co.uk

547 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:18:40am
548 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 11:19:20am

re: #427 Gus

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Good thing that has never happened in any other civilization in history. That kind of country/society might denigrate into religious, in fighting, chaos.

549 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 11:19:30am

How a hacker helped ProPublica expose Russia’s secret infusions of cash to the embattled Syrian government

n November 2012, the investigative news site ProPublica published a two-part story that added an important new dimension to coverage of the civil war in Syria. It was based on documents that showed a Syrian plane had secretly flown to Moscow and returned loaded with supplies to boost the ailing Assad regime. This wasn’t humanitarian aid. It was more than 200 tons of bank notes shipped into Syria while the military fought off rebels and a deteriorating economy. Shipments of attack helicopters had apparently failed to get in, but the stories confirmed that Russian support for the Assad regime went deeper than had been publicly acknowledged.

This is the story of how ProPublica got those flight manifests, and it offers a glimpse into the complicated world of secure international reporting in the digital age.

550 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:20:24am
551 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:22:17am
552 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 11:22:32am

re: #543 CuriousLurker

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LOLOL

Yep, what would the RWNJ’s say if I told my (hypothetical) employees that my Muslim beliefs trumped their individual rights. For instance, all employees must work on Sunday, and abstain from pork and alcohol, or else they’ll be sacked on the spot.

Methinks the RWNJ’s would be shitting bricks at that point. Oh, and all male employees must dress like this:

The new dress code. Or else! BWAHAHAHAHA!!

553 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 11:23:56am

How to build a healthy news diet

“I really like Clay Johnson’s point that consuming highly partisan pundits can be really indulgent in the same way it can be indulgent to sit and eat too many gummy bears.”

In addition to providing empty calories, diets high in partisan punditry do little more than confirm preconceived worldviews that distract viewers from thinking critically about issues at hand. As a first step towards becoming aware of their consumption habits, NLP offers a lesson on “information neighborhoods” which differentiates between seven types of content—news, opinion, entertainment, advertising, propaganda, publicity, and raw information.

554 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 11:24:11am

re: #544 Bulworth

re:
#529

Erick son of Erick just must be happy that the SCOTUS overturned Obamacare. Wait, you mean it didn’t? The individual mandate and the ACA exchanges, and the Medicaid expansion are still good? Oh, well, let Erick son of Erick have his one small moment of joy that some people aren’t getting full healthcare. This is all that makes them happy. Oh that, and the SCOTUS upholding Prop 8 and the DOMA. Wait, you mean they didn’t, and people can get gay-married? Yeah, Erick son of Erick’s side has sure won a lot lately, hasn’t it?

/

If indeed President Obama and the DHHS can find a way to cover BC that HL refuses to do, Imma gonna laugh my ass off because while Erick son of Erick is celebrating now, he’ll be screaming when BC is covered by the taxpayers.

555 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:24:26am

Charles Pierce:

“Religious freedom exists in the realm of medicine only to those religions that the Court finds acceptable—and, I would argue, only to those religions to which the members of the Court belong.”
esquire.com

556 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:24:51am
557 klys  Jun 30, 2014 11:25:40am

I cannot find any way in which this ruling makes sense.

Beyond as a clear example of why people consider the court to be ruling along ideological lines.

558 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:28:20am

re: #557 klys

I cannot find any way in which this ruling makes sense.

Beyond as a clear example of why people consider the court to be ruling along ideological lines.

It’s all about the white man’s money.

in lieu of his tiny penis.

559 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 11:28:58am
560 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:29:59am

re: #537 FemNaziBitch

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because it doesn’t matter if women are able to participate full in the economic life of the nation.

561 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:31:24am

Scotusblog:
Opinion analysis: Does the new religious exemption go far enough?

To reiterate: under existing government regulations, it appears, there is no legal basis for the “middle man” to begin providing coverage without the required form having been filed with it. At a minimum, the government may have to write new regulations — or ask for help from Congress — to assure that female workers employed by such organizations will get the coverage.

It seems highly unlikely that the organizations seeking this accommodation to the accommodation will be satisfied to accept what the Court said literally on Monday, and giving up further legal challenges because of that. Since that was not directly at issue, they would have a quite strong argument that, whatever the Court did say on the point, it actually remains unresolved.

More to come.

562 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 11:32:21am

Womanhood, not so much.

563 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2014 11:32:32am

re: #543 CuriousLurker

On a more serious note, women and the men who love & respect them should refrain from gnashing their teeth in despair or anger. The wingnuts get enjoyment out of that. Your energies are better spent directed at the powers you have, namely those of your pocketbook and your vote.

564 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:32:48am

Fixed the link.

565 TedStriker  Jun 30, 2014 11:33:59am

re: #533 TedStriker

Damn, Erick is such a smug, insufferable prick.

And sanctimonious, let’s not forget that.

566 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 11:34:43am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

On a more serious note, women and the men who love & respect them should refrain from gnashing their teeth in despair or anger. The wingnuts get enjoyment out of that. Your energies are better spent directed at the powers you have, namely those of your pocketbook and your vote.

Always good advice. Activism from a positive outlook attracts the like-minded, making the activist more powerful.

567 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 11:35:31am
568 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 11:35:34am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

On a more serious note, women and the men who love & respect them should refrain from gnashing their teeth in despair or anger. The wingnuts get enjoyment out of that. Your energies are better spent directed at the powers you have, namely those of your pocketbook and your vote.

I would also advise developing a real understanding of the legal issues involved for a more effective response.

569 piratedan  Jun 30, 2014 11:35:34am

unfortunately I don’t see any way that the attitudes on the right are going to change because of the multiple set of issues that affect the political dynamic. people don’t get off their ass to vote thanks to a myriad set of issues… lack of truth in reporting, political advertising, the effect of the two income family and the time consumed in raising children and pursuing any kind of personal interests outside of politics makes voters ill-informed or easily misled or flat out apathetic. So until some of these issues begin to hit people where they live, either in front of the PC/TV or at the dinner table or in the bedroom, the GOP will continue to get away with this shit.

570 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 11:36:08am
571 klys  Jun 30, 2014 11:36:25am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

On a more serious note, women and the men who love & respect them should refrain from gnashing their teeth in despair or anger. The wingnuts get enjoyment out of that. Your energies are better spent directed at the powers you have, namely those of your pocketbook and your vote.

Tomorrow I will sit down and evaluate how to best move forward.

Today may have just gotten shunted into the ignore the world category in favor of a video game or three. Maybe some cross stitching.

572 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 11:36:31am

Some people don’t quite get the concept that condoms aren’t the answer to all contraception/birth control methods.

Some require a doctor’s prescription, and many women need this, and can’t rely on condoms for their birth control measures.

573 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:36:55am

re: #566 wrenchwench

Always good advice. Activism from a positive outlook attracts the like-minded, making the activist more powerful.

I too depressed to think past the next breathe.

574 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 11:37:02am

re: #568 Killgore Trout

I would also advise developing a real understanding of the legal issues involved for a more effective response.

Like what?

575 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 11:37:33am

I’ll buy no more Eden Foods—ever.

576 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:37:39am

re: #569 piratedan

unfortunately I don’t see any way that the attitudes on the right are going to change because of the multiple set of issues that affect the political dynamic. people don’t get off their ass to vote thanks to a myriad set of issues… lack of truth in reporting, political advertising, the effect of the two income family and the time consumed in raising children and pursuing any kind of personal interests outside of politics makes voters ill-informed or easily misled or flat out apathetic. So until some of these issues begin to hit people where they live, either in front of the PC/TV or at the dinner table or in the bedroom, the GOP will continue to get away with this shit.

Taboos about sex contribute to the lack of rights.

577 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 11:38:08am

re: #572 lawhawk

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Some people don’t quite get the concept that condoms aren’t the answer to all contraception/birth control methods.

Some require a doctor’s prescription, and many women need this, and can’t rely on condoms for their birth control measures.

RUSH SAID TEH BIRF CONTROL PILLZ IS JUST LIKE TEH CONDOMZ & TEH SLUTZ TAKES ONE EVERY TIME SHE HAS TEH SEXYTIMES!!!!! RUSH IS TEH EXPERT!!!!!!

578 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:38:46am

Condoms are the only BC method that men control —

so they are ok

579 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 11:39:27am

re: #573 FemNaziBitch

I too depressed to think past the next breathe.

Go do something positive. Brush a dog, take a walk.

580 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2014 11:39:44am

re: #572 lawhawk

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Some people don’t quite get the concept that condoms aren’t the answer to all contraception/birth control methods.

Some require a doctor’s prescription, and many women need this, and can’t rely on condoms for their birth control measures.

What they equally fail to grasp is that making it harder to get contraceptive pills is going to result in more, not fewer, abortions in the long run. Banning birth control is not going to magically make all those women who rely upon it to prevented unwanted pregnancies suddenly decide that they want those pregnancies. And if the only policy is “abstinence-only,” then I call on all conservative men to take a vow of chastity.

581 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 11:39:51am

Some fair questions, I think:

Why are we as a society relying on private employers to provide health insurance to our citizens?

Isn’t it time to simply make corporations pay employees enough so that they can provide for themselves?

In the alternative, isn’t it time to tax corporations enough so that we can provide universal coverage to all citizens?

582 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:40:53am

one of my favorite graphics

583 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:40:59am
584 Killgore Trout  Jun 30, 2014 11:41:33am

re: #574 Second Class Citizen

Like what?

I don’t know, I’m waiting for the more serious analysis of the ruling within the next day or two before I start digging into it. There’s not much to be gleaned from the initial hysteria. But, Much like FBV’s sentiment this morning I’m leaning towards a single payer system which would avoid a lot of these problems. If there is a potential fix for the Obamacare system, I’ll wait for better in depth analysis before judging how viable they might be.

585 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 11:42:00am

re: #581 S’latch

Some fair questions, I think:

Why are we as a society relying on private employers to provide health insurance to our citizens?

Isn’t it time to simply make corporations pay employees enough so that they can provide for themselves?

In the alternative, isn’t it time to tax corporations enough so that we can provide universal coverage to all citizens?

Yeah but..socialism and all that

/

586 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 11:42:52am

“The company filed suit against the Obama administration in early 2013, eventually losing its case at the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. Eden Foods did not respond to interview requests, but when Salon reporter Irin Carmon interviewed the company’s CEO, Michael Potter, about the case last April, he argued:

“I don’t care if the federal government is telling me to buy my employees Jack Daniel’s or birth control. What gives them the right to tell me that I have to do that?…I’m not trying to get birth control out of Rite Aid or Wal-Mart, but don’t tell me I gotta pay for it.”

motherjones.com

587 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2014 11:42:54am

re: #581 S’latch

Some fair questions, I think:

Why are we as a society relying on private employers to provide health insurance to our citizens?

Isn’t it time to simply make corporations pay employees enough so that they can provide for themselves?

In the alternative, isn’t it time to tax corporations enough so that we can provide universal coverage to all citizens?

The latter option, single-payer, is a no-go in America. The hybrid version, in which employers provide part of their employees’ health coverage as part of their salary, is a relic of WWII-era wage controls, which prevented companies from raising wages to attract workers, but allowed them to provide fringe benefits.

And ACA is all about making sure that the health care insurance market functions for the benefit of all involved, not just the providers.

588 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 11:42:57am

re: #559 Charles Johnson

“We live in an age of miracles, an age when corporations have been magically imbued with religious beliefs.”

This is the main reason for me that this decision is wrong.

There simply is no reason that a for-profit corporation (“closely held” or not) should have the right to object to anything on “religious” grounds.

Corporate person-hood is a tolerable legal fiction for limited purposes.

Corporate saint-hood is insane.

589 jaunte  Jun 30, 2014 11:43:24am

‘You can’t find the condom aisle’ is the new
‘hold an aspirin between your knees’.

590 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2014 11:43:41am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

Also, keep an eye on this list as there are many other cases still pending:

591 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 11:43:51am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

I don’t know, I’m waiting for the more serious analysis of the ruling within the next day or two before I start digging into it. There’s not much to be gleaned from the initial hysteria. But, Much like FBV’s sentiment this morning I’m leaning towards a single payer system which would avoid a lot of these problems. If there is a potential fix for the Obamacare system, I’ll wait for better in depth analysis before judging how viable they might be.

Well, I was waiting for your answer before deciding to give you a downding. Hysteria? The fact is that women have been discriminated against by the highest court in the land. That’s not hysteria. That’s a fucking fact!

592 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 11:46:46am
593 klys  Jun 30, 2014 11:48:16am

re: #591 Second Class Citizen

Well, I was waiting for your answer before deciding to give you a downding. Hysteria? The fact is that women have been discriminated against by the highest court in the land. That’s not hysteria. That’s a fucking fact!

It’s a nice touch to use the word hysteria to describe the reaction to a decision that primarily adversely affects women.

Grade A (for asshole) trolling right there.

594 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:49:20am
595 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 11:49:35am

re: #592 Charles Johnson

The four contraceptive methods at issue involved a substance that induces abortion?

Is that even factually true? Was Alito just making that up?

596 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 11:50:16am

re: #592 Charles Johnson

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Yes, let’s base our important Supreme Court decisions on fantasy.

597 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2014 11:50:27am

re: #595 S’latch

The four contraceptive methods at issue involved a substance that induces abortion?

Is that even factually true? Was Alito just making that up?

We have not begun legislating religious belief. Founding Fathers must be turning in their graves.

598 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 11:50:39am

Oh, I’m sorry. He said “according to their religious beliefs.” I see.

599 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 11:51:11am

re: #595 S’latch

The four contraceptive methods at issue involved a substance that induces abortion?

Is that even factually true? Was Alito just making that up?

It’s an assertion by the Hobby Lobby side, which apparently is relevant as a religious belief, although it is not true.

600 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 11:51:59am

re: #590 CuriousLurker

Also, keep an eye on this list as there are many other cases still pending:

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What’s so odd about this list is that all of them, except for Beckwith Electric Co in FL and Holland Chevrolet in West VA are not southern, as you might expect, and are mostly in Mich and MO (the 2 states with the most plaintiffs) and mid-West states.

601 Kid A  Jun 30, 2014 11:52:11am
602 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 11:52:12am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

I don’t know, I’m waiting for the more serious analysis of the ruling within the next day or two before I start digging into it.

Ginseberg’s dissent is pretty serious.

It’s Barely-Paying-Attention Killgore again, hooray.

603 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 11:52:12am
604 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 11:52:32am

Ha, ha! This is funny now! As long as it is “according to your religious beliefs,” you can get all sorts of factual inquiries short-circuited!

“According to their religious beliefs,” the contraceptive methods were the equivalent of an abortion. They win!

605 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:52:38am

I think it’s best I stay off the net for a while.

I may have to bury myself in B movies on Netflix.

606 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:00am
607 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:03am

re: #592 Charles Johnson

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I’m wondering if they consider sterilization the same way?

No doubt.

608 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:10am

re:
#603

Um, whut?

609 iossarian  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:25am

re: #603 Charles Johnson

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I don’t think EE has ever actually made the tough choice between two food options.

610 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:39am

re: #592 Charles Johnson

According to my religious beliefs Alito is in the words of He Who Must Not Be Named by the Right: ” A Major Leauge Asshole.”

611 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:53am

re: #607 Justanotherhuman

I’m wondering if they consider sterilization the same way?

No doubt.

No, they’ll pay for vasectomies, at least.

612 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 11:53:59am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

There’s not much to be gleaned from the initial hysteria.

You can read the decision itself. It’s, you know, an original document. You don’t have to wait for the evil pundits.

docs.google.com

613 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 11:54:15am

bbl

614 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 11:54:20am

*FLIPS DESK*

615 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 11:54:35am

re: #612 wrenchwench

You can read the decision itself. It’s, you know, an original document. You don’t have to wait for the evil pundits.

docs.google.com

Why would he bother doing that? Too many big words. And it’s about wimmins.

616 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 11:54:48am

re: #595 S’latch

The four contraceptive methods at issue involved a substance that induces abortion?

Is that even factually true? Was Alito just making that up?

Its bullshit, they think contraception is abortion

617 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 11:55:14am

Horrible Human Being Is Being Horrible==>

618 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2014 11:55:31am

re: #595 S’latch

The four contraceptive methods at issue involved a substance that induces abortion?

Is that even factually true? Was Alito just making that up?

Facts have nothing to do with it. He said, “according to their religious beliefs”. As we all know, belief doesn’t require factual truth. As a Muslim I believe in the existence of God and that Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) was the last prophet—does that make those things “facts” for anyone but me and those who share my faith? No, of course not. That’s what makes this so maddening.

619 Kid A  Jun 30, 2014 11:55:41am

re: #603 Charles Johnson

620 blueraven  Jun 30, 2014 11:56:04am

President Obama to speak shortly. On Immigration crisis, but I cant imagine he wont say something about SCOTUS/Hobby Lobby.

621 b.d.  Jun 30, 2014 11:56:32am

So insurance rates are going to go down now right?

Isn’t covering more things supposed to make insurance more expensive in wingnutville?

622 Kragar  Jun 30, 2014 11:56:39am
623 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 11:56:52am

re: #619 Kid A

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Ooooo, say that again!

624 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 30, 2014 11:57:27am

One step closer to fundamentalist theocracy and away from the clear meaning of the constitution.

625 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 11:57:31am

Oh hey, Erick “Bag of Shit” Erickson is being a bag of shit. Who knew?

626 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 11:58:36am

re:
#592

Alito: “according to their religious beliefs the four contraceptive methods at issue are abortifacients.”

This sure is some mighty fine, technical and profound legal analysis. /

How about “According to their religious beliefs, peyote is not a hallucinigetic drug.”

Or, “According to their religious beliefs, blood transfusions are a tool of the devil.”

Or, “According to their religious beliefs, vaccines are a government plot to spread the superflue virus and create zombies.”

627 S'latch  Jun 30, 2014 11:58:58am

re: #618 CuriousLurker

Sorry. It took me a second reading to understand that Alito was not making things up; he was just shifting the Court’s analysis of the facts to be in accord with the religious views of the Plaintiff.

I am so glad Alito was not just making things up.

628 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 12:00:11pm

The economics of birth control. Again completely misunderstood by proponents of the HL policy.

If you think that a business will go out of business because they’d have to extend birth control, they’re in bigger trouble economically than anyone would care to admit. And that person doesn’t understand that birth control is a cost-effective measure against pregnancy and can save money to the business over the employee’s time with the company.

Besides, the costs for pregnancy are higher - by several magnitudes (doctor costs for prenatal, postnatal, and birth).

629 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 12:00:22pm
630 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2014 12:00:49pm

re: #617 Pie-onist Overlord

Horrible Human Being Is Being Horrible==>

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Suck a rotten turd, Ben.

631 Zamb  Jun 30, 2014 12:01:21pm

re: #617 Pie-onist Overlord

I remember when Obama hired that Jew hater Rahm Emanuel to help run his administration. Guy was bent on Israels destruction.

632 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 12:01:46pm

re: #628 lawhawk

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The economics of birth control. Again completely misunderstood by proponents of the HL policy.

If you think that a business will go out of business because they’d have to extend birth control, they’re in bigger trouble economically than anyone would care to admit. And that person doesn’t understand that birth control is a cost-effective measure against pregnancy and can save money to the business over the employee’s time with the company.

Besides, the costs for pregnancy are higher - by several magnitudes (doctor costs for prenatal, postnatal, and birth).

That’s exactly why you never see insurance companies fighting the birth control mandate. They’d much rather cover birth control than a pregnancy.

633 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 12:02:03pm
634 dog philosopher  Jun 30, 2014 12:02:12pm

“according to their religious beliefs the four contraceptive methods at issue

according to my religious beliefs alioto is a sumerian word meaning ‘i have the morals of a bratwurst’

635 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 12:02:44pm

re: #628 lawhawk

The going trend is for employees to be incredibly transient. 6 months to a year on the job, if that, before having to go get another one. See also: the growing trend in i.e. the IT industry to use “contractors” instead of FTEs.

636 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 30, 2014 12:02:49pm

I wonder if Alito understands that if his buddies succeed in creating a theocracy, that being a Catholic he’ll be just as up against the wall as the rest of us heathens?

637 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 30, 2014 12:03:26pm

re: #579 wrenchwench

Go do something positive. Brush a dog, take a walk.

Ride a unicycle!

Road unicycle

638 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 12:03:34pm

re: #633 Gus

FIFTY FIVE MILLION BABYES KILLED WITH ROW V WAY CAME TO BE I SAY NO MORE

Ladies and Gentlemen, authentic frontier wingnut gibberish.

639 Zamb  Jun 30, 2014 12:04:32pm

re: #629 wrenchwench

Wasn’t it a 5-4 decision?

640 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2014 12:04:40pm

re: #606 Pie-onist Overlord

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re: #617 Pie-onist Overlord

Horrible Human Being Is Being Horrible==>

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THIS. If your first instinct is to use these kids’ kidnapping & murder for anti-Muslim blood libel or nasty partisan politics instead of celebrating their lives & mourning their loss, then you’re doing it wrong.

641 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 12:04:43pm

re: #634 dog philosopher

“according to their religious beliefs the four contraceptive methods at issue

according to my religious beliefs alioto is a sumerian word meaning ‘i have the morals of a bratwurst’

Hey, bratwurst seems ok to me!

642 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 12:04:49pm

re: #631 Zamb

I remember when Obama hired that Jew hater Rahm Emanuel to help run his administration. Guy was bent on Israels destruction.

WORST. JEW-HATER. EVER.

643 klys  Jun 30, 2014 12:05:16pm

re: #639 Zamb

Wasn’t it a 5-4 decision?

Yeah, Breyer was left off the photo on the bottom in order to emphasize that the women were unanimously against this decision.

644 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 12:05:37pm

re: #639 Zamb

Wasn’t it a 5-4 decision?

I figured I’d find out if I posted that. Where’s the 9th person?

645 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2014 12:06:21pm

re: #643 klys

Yeah, Breyer was left off the photo on the bottom in order to emphasize that the women were unanimously against this decision.

Thanks!

646 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 12:07:05pm

re: #644 wrenchwench

I figured I’d find out if I posted that. Where’s the 9th person?

The point of the photo is to show that every woman on the SC voted for women’s reproductive health, while all of those voting against women’s reproductive health were men.

647 dog philosopher  Jun 30, 2014 12:08:40pm

re: #641 wrenchwench

Hey, bratwurst seems ok to me!

i amend my sausage to read ‘linguiça’

648 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 30, 2014 12:39:43pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Go home troll.

649 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 12:48:31pm

re: #583 jaunte

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Now the companies can see how far their creditors will allow their religious belief in the sin that is usury.

650 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 30, 2014 1:10:41pm

re: #270 Lidane

quite a few corporation want exactly that. That way they can have an excuse to hire only white males and get away with it with perfect Evangelical/ Fox news support.

651 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 30, 2014 1:11:49pm

re: #631 Zamb

I remember when Obama hired that Jew hater Rahm Emanuel to help run his administration. Guy was bent on Israels destruction.

According to Latma TV (Caroline Glick), he was.

Youtube Video

652 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 30, 2014 1:17:48pm

the next step in our new Evangelical Theocracy is to eliminate Roe vs. Wade via Constitutional Amendment. A new Amendment outlawing abortion will be coming not long after any Republican is in the White House.

Until then, the Republicans in campaign mode will be content to lie low and distract attention away from this, their primary focus. The economy, the wars in the ME, a resurgent Russia/Putin all serve to distract from their real goal of which a primary plank is to pass an anti-abortion Amendment. The endgame is a de-facto full-on revisionist Christian Theocracy.

653 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2014 1:21:25pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

I don’t know, I’m waiting for the more serious analysis of the ruling within the next day or two before I start digging into it. There’s not much to be gleaned from the initial hysteria. But, Much like FBV’s sentiment this morning I’m leaning towards a single payer system which would avoid a lot of these problems. If there is a potential fix for the Obamacare system, I’ll wait for better in depth analysis before judging how viable they might be.

My how big of you. And a nice subtle way to put down everyone else in this discussion at the same time.

But I will not down ding you, because you live for those.

654 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 30, 2014 1:34:29pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ha! That guy is hilarious!

655 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 1:36:19pm

re: #589 jaunte

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‘You can’t find the condom aisle’ is the new
‘hold an aspirin between your knees’.

Ask how that condom takes care of hormone imbalance.

656 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 30, 2014 1:39:52pm

re: #504 FemNaziBitch

..and vasectomies directly conflict with the commandment to “go forth and multiply”. Typical how some Bible verses mean more than others, and always at the expense of women’s rights.

657 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2014 1:47:54pm

re: #621 b.d.

So insurance rates are going to go down now right?

Isn’t covering more things supposed to make insurance more expensive in wingnutville?

In high crime zones, car insurance is higher because there is more of a risk of your vehicle being stolen and policy having to pay out. With this decision I can see insurance companies charging higher premiums for business that don’t cover BC since one, to term, birth costs probably 1000 times more than one lifetime prescription of BC.

35 years of BC at about $50 month = $21,000

Guesstimate for one pregnancy and children medical care (prenatal start to child getting own medical insurance) ~ $300,000 (A guess, even if the kid never breaks their leg, arm, seizures, etc)

What say you actuaries.

658 Swift2991  Jun 30, 2014 6:10:28pm

Funny, deduct the percentage that pays for war from my taxes — what 54%, something like that — and if I just pay for what I’d like to, that’s a very small tax bill. But I’d get some IRS enforcers on me pretty quick. Oh, he’s *r*e*l*i*g*i*o*u*s*? well then, His money is sacred, not the lives of the women he insures.

659 Sjef  Jun 30, 2014 11:14:17pm

re: #18 Lidane

I wonder when the 19th Amendment is in their sights, if it’s not already. What year is this, again?

660 Sjef  Jun 30, 2014 11:26:39pm

re: #83 Dr. Matt

They don’t seem to think these things through, do they? “Consequences? What’s that?”

661 Sjef  Jun 30, 2014 11:35:24pm

re: #624 William Barnett-Lewis

Bingo!

662 Sjef  Jun 30, 2014 11:37:51pm

re: #614 Pie-onist Overlord

*flips desk with you*
What an ugly, horrible man he is. I can’t believe this crap.

663 Sjef  Jun 30, 2014 11:46:20pm

re: #162 Feline Fearless Leader

Aw, what a beauty!


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