1 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:18pm

INPEECH!!1

2 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:19pm

Really cool.

3 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:46pm

IT’S CALLED THE WHITE HOUSE FOR A REASON!!

4 prairiefire  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:46pm

America rocks!

5 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 7:56:17pm

That building has never looked better

6 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 7:56:18pm

Already I’m hearing “And HOW MUCH is this costing the Taxpayers?”

Idiots.

RBS

7 Tigger2  Jun 26, 2015 7:57:10pm

Free Republic goons are in full meltdown mode over this,

8 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:57:12pm

re: #6 RealityBasedSteve

Already I’m hearing “And HOW MUCH is this costing the Taxpayers?”

Idiots.

RBS

A lot less than the 100+ ACA repeals Boehner has pulled.

9 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 26, 2015 7:58:21pm

re: #6 RealityBasedSteve

Already I’m hearing “And HOW MUCH is this costing the Taxpayers?”

Idiots.

RBS

Prolly about a hundred bucks.

10 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 7:59:11pm

re: #6 RealityBasedSteve

Already I’m hearing “And HOW MUCH is this costing the Taxpayers?”

Idiots.

RBS

the price of big gay is bleeding us dry

i shouldn’t have my yearly taxes have to power a colored lightbulb for an hour

i hoe that at least those are incandescent bulbs!

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:59:56pm

So glad we have a president who values equality.

12 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:02:01pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

So glad we have a president who values equality.

Imagine how a President Romney would have acted all week long.

13 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:02:28pm

re: #12 b.d.

Imagine how a President Romney would have acted all week long.

I don’t wanna know.

14 William Lewis  Jun 26, 2015 8:02:39pm

On the google page right now:

YouTube and Google are proud to celebrate marriage equality. #ProudtoLove

15 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 8:02:48pm

re: #7 Tigger2

Free Republic goons are in full meltdown mode over this,

I can imagine. I’d check it out, but I’m eating my dinner right now and would hate to lose my appetite.

RBS

16 psddluva4evah  Jun 26, 2015 8:04:01pm

Guys, I don’t know if it’s showing everywhere, but my local PBS station just happens to be showing the White House In Performance series, American Gospel segment.

Miss Re-Re herself, is “taking everybody to church: at the White House.

Just heard a song by Lyle Lovett that I never heard before. It was beautiful. All the music was.

I haven’t been to a church service in DECADES, but I still remember all the songs sung in my grandmother’s church and damn if I don’t feel that spirit right now.

It’s being rebroadcast at 1030 EST I believe

17 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:04:47pm

re: #7 Tigger2

Free Republic goons are in full meltdown mode over this,

@FreeRepublicTXT

What. The. Fuck?!?
18 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:05:49pm

Let them get angry. This country got more free today.

19 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2015 8:06:06pm

re: #9 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Prolly about a hundred bucks.

Less. You can get Lee gel pack with two each of all six colors for $25. They already had the lights.

20 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 8:06:09pm
21 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:06:40pm

re: #7 Tigger2

Free Republic goons are in full meltdown mode over this,

Those guys need to shut up and get their checkbooks out for JimRob so they can keep up their uber successful fight against Obama, gay rights, universal health care, mythical gun grabbing and the war on Christianity.

Thank God they are their on the front lines keeping all of those bad things at bay!!!!

//

22 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 8:07:18pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

@FreeRepublicTXT

Image: What. The. Fuck?!?

@freeRepublicTxt is great…. it’s like the crack cocaine of derp.

RBS

23 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:08:00pm
24 #FergusonFireside  Jun 26, 2015 8:08:06pm

re: #4 prairiefire

America rocks!

We do! Love. Love. Love.

Nothing else but love you motherfuckers.

25 wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2015 8:08:37pm
26 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:09:17pm

This week this country became a better country. Folks will be reading about this week in their history books shaking their heads that all of this stuff happened in a week’s time.

27 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:10:28pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

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Still would rather have him than any Republican running. How fucked up are they that I say that.

28 prairiefire  Jun 26, 2015 8:10:55pm

re: #24 #FergusonFireside

We do! Love. Love. Love.

Nothing else but love you motherfuckers.

We will take it where we can get it! Love won, won won!

29 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:11:06pm

re: #20 Lidane

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Falls is my favorite.

30 psddluva4evah  Jun 26, 2015 8:14:39pm
31 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:15:24pm

Yup.

32 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:16:21pm

Some of the wingiest of wingnuts are causing cracks in the dam

33 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2015 8:17:16pm

Josh Smith is in full meltdown. By morning there’s just going to be a pair of smoldering clown shoes lying in some rubble.

34 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:18:22pm

re: #32 bill d

Some of the wingiest of wingnuts are causing cracks in the dam

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Really James?

35 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 8:18:25pm

re: #25 wrenchwench
I goat you a flower

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That one is so far past baaad that it’s come full circle and is good.

RBS

36 wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2015 8:21:50pm
37 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:23:18pm

if Vox says so:

Barack Obama is officially one of the most consequential presidents in American history

vox.com

but damn, they make a pretty good case

38 psddluva4evah  Jun 26, 2015 8:24:11pm

My other GIF of the night…dedicated to my gay fam!

39 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2015 8:26:22pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

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Why do you think they call it dope, Dick?

“Cause it’s totally dope, y’all!!”

Just now caught up, but congratulations to all of us for moving forward a step today. The wingnut tears are so nourishing!

40 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 8:27:12pm
41 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:28:31pm

The wingnut tears of impotent rage are so delicious

42 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 8:28:43pm

ROFL, this is awesome:

43 austin_blue  Jun 26, 2015 8:30:08pm

Equal protection under the law seems to rule.

About damn time.

But wait, does this mean my marriage of 21 years is a farce?

Oh, My God! I feel a sudden need to suck cocks!

///

44 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 8:30:19pm

re: #41 bill d

Alaskan double Nolte oppression.

45 Belafon  Jun 26, 2015 8:31:28pm

re: #42 Lidane

Reminds me of:

Dignified

xkcd.com

46 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:33:48pm

re: #41 bill d

Come see the violence inherent in the system!
47 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2015 8:34:35pm

re: #45 Belafon

Reminds me of:

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xkcd.com

For some reason, that makes me think
“Despair thy charm,
“And let the angel whom thou still hast served
“Tell thee, Macduff was from his mother’s womb
“Untimely ripped.”

48 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:34:44pm

re: #42 Lidane

ROFL, this is awesome:

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lol, sacred giant cheese wheel.

Teddy Roosevelt turned the place into a petting zoo and the place was such a neglected dump that it almost fell down due to negligence and decay during the Truman presidency

49 piratedan  Jun 26, 2015 8:37:24pm

I sure would like some examples of how teh ghey have oppressed Christians, shit about the only thing that may have been oppressed over would be against Evangelical fashion designers… ///////////////////////////////////////

50 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:38:18pm

The Twitter version of clapping for Tinkerbell:

51 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 8:39:34pm

re: #50 bill d

Wow, 299 retweets.

52 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 8:40:16pm

re: #50 bill d

That’s almost half a high school graduating class.

53 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2015 8:42:19pm

re: #50 bill d

The Twitter version of clapping for Tinkerbell:

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“Believe in Traditional Marriage? Send me money to prove it!”

54 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:42:22pm

re: #51 jaunte

Wow, 299 retweets.

It’s literally .001% of all the Twitter accounts that follow anal leakage.

55 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 8:43:19pm

I’m off to bed, I’m working tomorrow so I can’t spend the time with all my favorite lizards.

I’ll leave you with a thought from Hunter S. Thompson…

56 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:43:42pm

re: #51 jaunte

Wow, 299 retweets.

299 is more than the 6 votes that the Supreme Court got!

57 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:44:42pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

It’s literally .001% of all the Twitter accounts that follow anal leakage.

Retweeting entails a big commitment.

58 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 8:45:16pm

Ok heading to bed. Was great spending today with you all.

59 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:46:37pm

Hahahahaha;

#tcot is already looking for the Muslims to bail them out.

60 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 8:46:46pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

It’s literally .001% of all the Twitter accounts that follow anal leakage.

What about Productive Flatulence? That’s the problem with America, too many people just farting around, and not enough being productive.

RBS

61 b_sharp  Jun 26, 2015 8:48:58pm

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

62 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:49:33pm

re: #60 RealityBasedSteve

What about Productive Flatulence? That’s the problem with America, too many people just farting around, and not enough being productive.

RBS

The biggest threat to America is the sweatervest. If you read closely you’ll see how there is no reference to the sweatervest in the bible.

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:51:33pm

re: #59 bill d

Hahahahaha;

#tcot is already looking for the Muslims to bail them out.

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When churches are required to which is not.

64 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 26, 2015 8:53:18pm

re: #61 b_sharp

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

Just a heads up… incoming your way.

Nah, don’t tell them ahead of time, let them be pleasantly surprised when they arrive.

RBS

65 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 26, 2015 8:54:42pm

What I’m thinking is, build a fully sapient artificial being, then seduce it.

The radical recontextualization of love and sexuality will make all intra-human issues seem small and petty.

Unfortunately, I don’t know how to control for the inevitability that an AI smart enough to think about romance and sex could be smart enough to design another AI that is even smarter about romance and sex, so a dozen developmental generations on, the human race is choked to extinction on robot sex pollution and the hurts-your-teeth twee sweetness of two sapient supercomputers who are just so perfectly compatible and happy together.

66 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:55:02pm

This week we were offered a glimpse of the raw power of #tcot in all of their productive and policy changing glory.

67 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 8:55:05pm

re: #64 RealityBasedSteve

Just a heads up… incoming your way.

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Nah, don’t tell them ahead of time, let them be pleasantly surprised when they arrive.

RBS

If liberals have won 100%, could we have single payer healthcare for all please?

68 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:55:50pm

re: #64 RealityBasedSteve

Just a heads up… incoming your way.

[Embedded content]

Nah, don’t tell them ahead of time, let them be pleasantly surprised when they arrive.

RBS

Canada sounds like a great place for the future wingnut homeland.

69 Tigger2  Jun 26, 2015 8:57:43pm

re: #15 RealityBasedSteve

I can imagine. I’d check it out, but I’m eating my dinner right now and would hate to lose my appetite.

RBS

LOL they are calling it Barry’s Bathhouse.

70 wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2015 8:58:06pm

re: #59 bill d

Hahahahaha;

#tcot is already looking for the Muslims to bail them out.

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SQUIRREL!

71 Kragar  Jun 26, 2015 8:59:08pm
72 b_sharp  Jun 26, 2015 8:59:13pm

re: #68 bill d

Canada sounds like a great place for the future wingnut homeland.

Ah.

No.

73 psddluva4evah  Jun 26, 2015 8:59:45pm

I work evenings, so I missed the memorial in SC.

But I’m catching up now. Man…those pics of FLOTUS and POTUS arriving and greeting the Pinckney girls and their mom

This has got to be hitting FLOTUS really hard! Sen Pinckney…father of two girls, Black politician…there but by the grace of God…and all that.

Brought to mind when FLOTUS talked about her worse fears on the campaign trail when she talked about why she was scared for Barack to run for President.

And I see this pic with Mrs Pinckney and her girls and I’m just overcome.

Sorry to be a debbie downer…but with all the good news today and yesterday…the SC funeral was sobering.

74 Belafon  Jun 26, 2015 9:04:56pm

It’s a two-fer:

75 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:05:23pm

re: #73 psddluva4evah

So much waste, so much sorrow-and for what?

76 Tigger2  Jun 26, 2015 9:06:06pm

re: #50 bill d

The Twitter version of clapping for Tinkerbell:

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77 gwangung  Jun 26, 2015 9:06:33pm

re: #73 psddluva4evah

I work evenings, so I missed the memorial in SC.

But I’m catching up now. Man…those pics of FLOTUS and POTUS arriving and greeting the Pinckney girls and their mom

This has got to be hitting FLOTUS really hard! Sen Pinckney…father of two girls, Black politician…there but by the grace of God…and all that.

Brought to mind when FLOTUS talked about her worse fears on the campaign trail when she talked about why she was scared for Barack to run for President.

And I see this pic with Mrs Pinckney and her girls and I’m just overcome.

Sorry to be a debbie downer…but with all the good news today and yesterday…the SC funeral was sobering.

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I was sniffling just from the tweets from the service.

78 TedStriker  Jun 26, 2015 9:07:13pm

re: #61 b_sharp

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

We are a weird bunch, but you try fighting the Party of God No on this most basic of shit…you’d be celebrating like we are, too.

79 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:07:39pm

re: #76 Tigger2

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RT if you’re tired of Republicans being unable talk about issues so they scapegoat gays.

80 TedStriker  Jun 26, 2015 9:11:58pm

re: #74 Belafon

It’s a two-fer:

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Two for the price of one, plus a dollar…

(look at the Family Booterie [a shoe store that used to be here in Nashville] ad at 0:32)

81 Tigger2  Jun 26, 2015 9:11:59pm

re: #76 Tigger2

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LOL I got 5 RTs already.

82 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 26, 2015 9:15:06pm

re: #61 b_sharp

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

My Christian education was Anglican, in Britain.

Like, thirty years later I’m still trying to figure out at what exact point in US non-denom Christian they hand out the secret decoder ring that lets you figure what parts of the Old Testament God will Cronenburg you for, and the “nah, he didn’t mean it” bits like forgiving debts every Jubilee.

That’s in addition to the more simple struggle of, “if God’s plan is to kill everybody via Revelations, junk, how do you differentiation general God-smite death tolls from prophecy-mandated tolls?”

83 Varek Raith  Jun 26, 2015 9:15:18pm

re: #61 b_sharp

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

A Canadian calling anyone weird?
Rofl.
///

84 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:19:58pm
85 b_sharp  Jun 26, 2015 9:20:52pm

re: #78 TedStriker

We are a weird bunch, but you try fighting the Party of God No on this most basic of shit…you’d be celebrating like we are, too.

I am.

86 piratedan  Jun 26, 2015 9:21:15pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

it’s awesome that you get to talk to Dr. Venture

87 b_sharp  Jun 26, 2015 9:24:10pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

A Canadian calling anyone weird?
Rofl.
///

We’re in the best position to recognize it.

88 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:28:45pm

Good night lizards. Hasta mañana.

89 Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2015 9:38:09pm

re: #61 b_sharp

Weird is charitable.

90 b_sharp  Jun 26, 2015 9:38:56pm

re: #89 Amory Blaine

Weird is charitable.

I’m Canadian.

91 Varek Raith  Jun 26, 2015 9:42:32pm

re: #90 b_sharp

I’m Canadian.

Loony.

92 austin_blue  Jun 26, 2015 9:45:31pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

Loony.

Twony.

93 Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2015 9:45:35pm
Loved these guys growing up
94 b_sharp  Jun 26, 2015 9:46:46pm

I’m going to bed. re: #92 austin_blue

Twony.

Toonie.

Sorry, I forgot the ‘eh!’

95 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:49:53pm

re: #93 Amory Blaine

“Dad, Bob broke your beer!”

“No, Doug did!”

96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2015 10:00:18pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

“Dad, Bob broke your beer!”

“No, Doug did!”

“Give in to The Dark Side, ya knob!”

97 The War TARDIS  Jun 26, 2015 10:08:35pm

The Libyan Branch of ISIL is suspected in the attack in Tunisia yesterday.

Hopefully, this will be a rude awakening to help out the Tobruk government. Not only that, but one wonders how they entered Tunisia. I would think through the border, which is controlled by the nasty MB government, which recently attacked the Tunisian Embassy in Tripoli.

98 Jayleia  Jun 26, 2015 10:20:16pm

Didn’t realize we had a new thread going when I posted this…

99 Viscous Obama  Jun 26, 2015 10:35:24pm

A brief summary of the court’s dissents today

Roberts - mendacious
Scalia - asshole
Alito - stupid
Thomas - motherfucking nuclear insanity

100 BeachDem  Jun 26, 2015 10:35:48pm

Back from movie watching. Watched “In America.” Just seemed appropriate today for some reason. Hadn’t watched it in a long time—love that movie.

Back to reality. Could Ted Cruz be any more full of shit?

“I’ve introduced a constitutional amendment that would protect the authority of state legislatures to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. We should pass that amendment,”

Uh huh, we’ll get right on that, Teddie.

Cruz also proposed a Constitutional amendment that would subject Justices to retention elections every eight years in an op-ed for the National Review. Each Justice, he said, would be up for election after the second presidential election following their appointment to the high court.

“Those justices deemed unfit for retention by both a majority of the American people as a whole and by majorities of the electorates in at least half of the 50 states will be removed from office and disqualified from future service on the Court,” he wrote.

rawstory.com

WTF does the part I bolded even mean? Somebody? Anybody?

Edited to warn: The photo accompanying this story is what nightmares are made of!

101 BeachDem  Jun 26, 2015 10:40:02pm

re: #99 Viscous Obama

A brief summary of the court’s dissents today

Roberts - mendacious
Scalia - asshole
Alito - stupid
Thomas - motherfucking nuclear insanity

Excellent analysis. Or, as Kaili Joy Gray describes them at Wonkette:

Supreme Court Losers Lose Their Sh*t Over Gay Marriage, And It’s Delightful

Halfway through her dissection of Thomas’s idiocy, she writes:
Wait a minute — does anyone even care what Thomas thinks? No? OK, moving on.

wonkette.com

102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2015 10:44:07pm

re: #100 BeachDem

Back from movie watching. Watched “In America.” Just seemed appropriate today for some reason. Hadn’t watched it in a long time—love that movie.

Back to reality. Could Ted Cruz be any more full of shit?

“I’ve introduced a constitutional amendment that would protect the authority of state legislatures to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. We should pass that amendment,”

Uh huh, we’ll get right on that, Teddie.

Cruz also proposed a Constitutional amendment that would subject Justices to retention elections every eight years in an op-ed for the National Review. Each Justice, he said, would be up for election after the second presidential election following their appointment to the high court.

“Those justices deemed unfit for retention by both a majority of the American people as a whole and by majorities of the electorates in at least half of the 50 states will be removed from office and disqualified from future service on the Court,” he wrote.

rawstory.com

WTF does the part I bolded even mean? Somebody? Anybody?

That sure as Hell sounds like a national referendum to me—which I know we don’t have in this country, but apparently Harvard Educated Lawyer™ Ted Cruz doesn’t. Hey Gomer! There’s another constitutional amendment you’re going to need as a prerequisite to that one.

But then, I’m not even a thawed-out caveman lawyer….

103 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2015 10:53:53pm

Christ, I’ve got an infestation of @PolitiBunny minions all up in my mentions.

104 Viscous Obama  Jun 26, 2015 10:56:00pm

re: #101 BeachDem

Excellent analysis. Or, as Kaili Joy Gray describes them at Wonkette:

Supreme Court Losers Lose Their Sh*t Over Gay Marriage, And It’s Delightful

Halfway through her dissection of Thomas’s idiocy, she writes:
Wait a minute — does anyone even care what Thomas thinks? No? OK, moving on.

wonkette.com

Thomas is nuts, but I can’t get over how dim Alito is — he’s come up with spurious “intrinsic rights” and other bullshit during his tenure, but transparently ruling on what he thinks will be the supposed outcome is a mockery of judicial review. Nor should one assume marriage merely exists as, in his words, to “encourage potentially procreative conduct”. Where does it say that in the marriage document, fool?

105 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2015 11:14:05pm
106 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 11:17:21pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Christ, I’ve got an infestation of @PolitiBunny minions all up in my mentions.

I noticed the, uh, dialogue you guise have been having. I found out tonight that I am blocked by @PolitiBunny.

Huh.

107 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2015 11:23:40pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

I noticed the, uh, dialogue you guise have been having. I found out tonight that I am blocked by @PolitiBunny.

Huh.

I was blocking her but follow @lacoguy and he has civil conversations with her so I decided to wade in and boy was that a mistake. She can front some really annoying arguments nothing I’m not prepared to handle, and she keeps it more or less on the level. Her followers however are the worst.

108 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 11:27:53pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

I was blocking her but follow @lacoguy and he has civil conversations with her so I decided to wade in and boy was that a mistake. She can front some really annoying arguments nothing I’m not prepared to handle, and she keeps it more or less on the level. Her followers however are the worst.

She’s a crazy hardcore John Galt libertarian who at one time was an esteemed member of the Twitter Gulag Defense Network. She’s very selfish.

109 Kragar  Jun 26, 2015 11:41:57pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

110 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2015 11:46:51pm
111 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 11:51:51pm

Fired up the GotNwes type-a-writers again:

EXCLUSIVE: Kicked to the curb yet again, blogger laments visiting DC event

The absolutely true story of how blogger Award Winning JournalistTM and libel-suit filer Chuck C. Johnson got dis-invited from yet another GOP political event, as told to our vivid imagination.
*********

I haven’t had much to do lately, what with my Twitter access gone and GotNewsDotCom sitting dead in the water, so you can imagine how excited I was when a friend asked to attend a bash held by Grover Norquist in DC.

Did you know I met Grover Norquist once? Yeah, it was at CPAC. We talked about immigration and Japanese land policy while we stood at the urinals. As I recall, he finished before I did.

Anyway, this being America, I tend to go to places I’m invited to. They don’t do that in other countries. I know. I’ve been to more countries than you have.

More at gotnwes.com

112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 12:01:14am

And an exclusive report on 21 days without GotNewsDotCom

EXCLUSIVE: ‘New media’ disrupter GotNewsDotCom dead in water 21 days

But $66 mil, on the other hand …
113 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 12:01:18am
114 Kragar  Jun 27, 2015 12:05:26am

“That poor man. Not only has he just been screwed by a giant eye, but now he’s giving birth.”

115 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 12:09:45am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

That’s the second time I’ve posted a Hulk Hogan meme since the mandatory gay marriage Supreme Dictators putsch came through yesterday. Yikes.

116 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 12:15:55am
117 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 12:32:52am

re: #59 bill d

So now thar same-sex marriage is legal in all states, when are mosques going to be required to perform them?

Oh I forgot, this is the first step to outlawing Christian marriage and allowing only gays to marry.

/

118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 12:33:35am
119 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 12:40:58am

On a somewhat related note, Al Jazeera did a documentary about gay conversion therapy in China.

shanghaiist.com

It doesn’t work in China, either.

120 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 12:43:43am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Oh I forgot, this is the first step to outlawing Christian marriage and allowing only gays to marry.

/

So, I wake up here in Europe, and lo and behold, much to my surprise, the North American continent still hasn’t fallen into the fiery, molten pit of Hell.

What’s up with that?

*chuckles to self*

121 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 27, 2015 12:48:38am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

So, I wake up here in Europe, and lo and behold, much to my surprise, the North American continent still hasn’t fallen into the fiery, molten pit of Hell.

What’s up with that?

*chuckles to self*

Wingnut God’s wrath schedules according to the US Central timezone.

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 12:49:13am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

So, I wake up here in Europe, and lo and behold, much to my surprise, the North American continent still hasn’t fallen into the fiery, molten pit of Hell.

What’s up with that?

*chuckles to self*

God is waiting for the 4th of July to make his point clear…

123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 12:52:53am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

God is waiting for the 4th of July to make his point clear…

Well, if he’s going to smite the USA, he needs to do it before Aug. 3, when I’ll be flying into Chicago. Just sayin’.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 12:55:20am

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, if he’s going to smite the USA, he needs to do it before Aug. 3, when I’ll be flying into Chicago. Just sayin’.

It will be a pile of glowing rubble by then.

125 nkdee  Jun 27, 2015 12:58:44am

re: #26 bill d

This week this country became a better country. Folks will be reading about this week in their history books shaking their heads that all of this stuff happened in a week’s time.

And all during an Administration that the opposition vowed (and worked toward) destroying. I love it.

126 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 12:59:44am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It will be a pile of glowing rubble by then.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to discover that some of the wingnuttier folks are praying non-stop for some kind of natural disaster, perhaps a terrorist attack, or some other horrific event. I’m also pretty sure they’re frantically hoping the Rapture (a non-biblical concept, btw) takes place PDQ.

Of course natural disasters happen - they’ve always happened; it’s the price we pay for living on a geologically active planet. But they’re no doubt hoping for one so they can ascribe some kind of supernatural meaning to it.

127 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 1:06:37am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It will be a pile of glowing rubble by then.

Damn. Well, maybe we can be diverted to Montreal. Never been there.

Oh, wait. Canada will be smote (smited, smitten?), too, what with national health care and stuff.

I hear Havana is OK.

128 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 1:07:39am

re: #127 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Damn. Well, maybe we can be diverted to Montreal. Never been there.

Oh, wait. Canada will be smote (smited, smitten?), too, what with national health care and stuff.

I hear Havana is OK.

You will have to be diverted to Russia. They still have Godly values there.

129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 1:14:59am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You will have to be diverted to Russia. They still have Godly values there.

Heck, I can take a Chinese train to the border and walk across. Forget that!
/

130 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 1:17:32am

June 26th, 2003: Lawrence v Texas: SCOTUS rules that same-sex sexual activity is legal in all 50 states, declaring anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional.

June 26th, 2013: United States v Windsor: SCOTUS declares the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional.

June 26th, 2015: Obergefell v Hodges: SCOTUS rules that SSM is legal in all 50 states, overturning SSM bans.

All on June 26th - and all in the space of a dozen years. Quite amazing, when you think about it, and a nicely uncanny coincidence.

131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 1:19:32am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

So, I wake up here in Europe, and lo and behold, much to my surprise, the North American continent still hasn’t fallen into the fiery, molten pit of Hell.

What’s up with that?

*chuckles to self*

BTW, Doc—thanks to your quotation from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung a couple of threads ago, I now know the German word for “hillbilly”. (Der) Hinterwäldler: “Backwoodser”. Delightful.

132 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 1:24:49am

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

BTW, Doc—thanks to your quotation from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung a couple of threads ago, I now know the German word for “hillbilly”. (Der) Hinterwäldler: “Backwoodser”. Delightful.

No problem.

One of my Czech students saw the vid of President Obama’s eulogy yesterday and he commented to me via Skype, “Can we have him when you’re done? He’d be a vast improvement over the obese, alcoholic, chain-smoking imbecile currently residing up in Prague Castle. It’d be nice to have a real President here for a change - we haven’t really had one since Havel died.”

LOLOLOL

133 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 1:30:03am

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

BTW, Doc—thanks to your quotation from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung a couple of threads ago, I now know the German word for “hillbilly”. (Der) Hinterwäldler: “Backwoodser”. Delightful.

I was once hiking through a region known as the “Hinterwald” in west-central Germany, and recall passing an eerie place with a tumble-down barn and an unkempt manure pile (even manure piles are generally tidy in Germany) , along with a somewhat demented-looking person staring at us from the front stoop.

All that was missing was banjo music…

134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 1:32:22am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I was once hiking through a region known as the “Hinterwald” in west-central Germany, and recall passing an eerie place with a tumble-down barn and an unkempt manure pile (even manure piles are generally tidy in Germany) , along with a somewhat demented-looking person staring at us from the front stoop.

All that was missing was banjo music…

Probably, concertina music, given the location

135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 1:33:23am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

No problem.

One of my Czech students saw the vid of President Obama’s eulogy yesterday and he commented to me via Skype, “Can we have him when you’re done? He’d be a vast improvement over the obese, alcoholic, chain-smoking imbecile currently residing up in Prague Castle. It’d be nice to have a real President here for a change - we haven’t really had one since Havel died.”

LOLOLOL

I remember Jimmy Carter was nominated for Secretary General of the United Nations—wouldn’t the wingnuts love it if Obama was too? Shit—what if he won?

136 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 1:35:57am
137 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 2:00:04am

People clearly haven’t thought this shit through at all.

138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 2:02:34am

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

People clearly haven’t thought this shit through at all.

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John L @_JLindner

#StatesLose #SoMuchForThe10thAmendment

FYI I support gay marriage but…they shouldn’t have forced the issue, shoulda let each state Vote.

Is this goober aware that 14 > 10?

139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 2:06:47am

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is this goober aware that 14 > 10?

AFAIK, no state constitution specifies marriage must be between one man and one woman. The only restrictions regard age of consent.

Or am I hallucinating?

140 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 2:14:29am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

AFAIK, no state constitution specifies marriage must be between one man and one woman. The only restrictions regard age of consent.

Or am I hallucinating?

I don’t know—since DOMA, some state constitutions might have been amended to say that. I’m sure they didn’t before, not out of any motive to be even-handed, but just because it never occurred to them.

I was kind of surprised by the age of consent thing. I remember looking at the chart in some almanac back when it was relevant to me (so…1969? 70?) and there were a few backwaters like New York and Alaska where it was 18, in the former Confederacy it was pretty uniformly 12, and in Delaware it was 7 (!), but in most states, including mine, it was 16. I was taken aback recently to learn that it had become 18 everywhere—when did that happen?

ETA: Not that I personally have anything to worry about, just for clarity.

141 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 2:18:30am

Well, if there is indeed a mass wingnut exodus out of the US, realistically, the only place they can really go is Russia.

I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if some of them think about Israel - that is to say, the Israel that exists in their imaginations, as opposed to the real Israel that is extraordinarily progressive regarding LGBT rights.

en.wikipedia.org

142 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 2:20:10am

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Well, if there is indeed a mass wingnut exodus out of the US, realistically, the only place they can really go is Russia.

I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if some of them think about Israel - that is to say, the Israel that exist in their imaginations, as opposed to the real Israel that is extraordinarily progressive regarding LGBT rights.

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of them are saying they’re going to move to Canada (LOL), but they’d get an even ruder shock if they moved to Israel.

143 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 2:22:31am

re: #142 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot of them are saying they’re going to move to Canada (LOL), but they’d get an even ruder shock if they moved to Israel.

Yeah, you bet they would. I’d daresay they’d be genuinely shocked - and likely be on the next plane out of Tel Aviv once they found out.

144 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 2:23:30am

Just sayin’.

145 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 2:41:53am

Fucked in the head.

146 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 2:46:23am

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

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Fucked in the head.

Pardon my french, but more than fucked. At least fucked more than once.
Bukakke’d in the head?

Help me out guys…

147 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 2:51:59am

re: #146 Teukka

Marriage equality and Obamacare are right up there with 9/11 and Pear Harbor apparently.

Ted Cruz isn’t the first person to jump on this retarded idea either.

Bears flew planes into Bryan’s penis or something.

148 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 2:58:44am

I can’t help but wonder how the wingnuts would react if Israel approved SSM? To be honest, I don’t see it happening right away - the current composition of the Knesset seems to preclude that - but polls have shown that a majority of Israelis do approve of SSM, which is keeping in line with their progressive stance towards LGBT rights.

I think the wingnuts would absolutely lose their damned minds (if it’s possible for them to lose that even more than they already have), because if Israel did indeed allow SSM, it would be certainly be international headline news.

149 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 3:09:58am

re: #148 Dr Lizardo

I can’t help but wonder how the wingnuts would react if Israel approved SSM? To be honest, I don’t see it happening right away - the current composition of the Knesset seems to preclude that - but polls have shown that a majority of Israelis do approve of SSM, which is keeping in line with their progressive stance towards LGBT rights.

I think the wingnuts would absolutely lose their damned minds (if it’s possible for them to lose that even more than they already have), because if Israel did indeed allow SSM, it would be certainly be international headline news.

It does, in a way. Israel already officially records same sex marriage performed abroad and gives same sex couples all the same rights. Same sex marriage inside Israel faces the same barrier preventing atheists and most interfaith couples from getting married there, they have no secular marriage, but honor secular marriages performed abroad. Otherwise, to get married inside Israel requires involving a religious authority, which results in very strict rules about who a Cohen may marry for instance.

150 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 3:19:24am

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

It does, in a way. Israel already officially records same sex marriage performed abroad and gives same sex couples all the same rights. Same sex marriage inside Israel faces the same barrier preventing atheists and most interfaith couples from getting married there, they have no secular marriage, but honor secular marriages performed abroad. Otherwise, to get married inside Israel requires involving a religious authority, which results in very strict rules about who a Cohen may marry for instance.

Heh…..that alone would no doubt come as quite shocking to the RWNJ’s, who seem to think that Israel today is the same as it was in the 2nd Century B.C. or something.

I remember reading once, years ago, a commenter on FR who was utterly shocked that LGBT Israelis can openly serve in the military. He (or she) couldn’t believe it and was left wondering why God hadn’t poured down His wrath on Israel yet.

151 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 3:32:25am

So a wingnut brought this to my attention…

Why the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage could lead to civil war

Yep, massive butthurt advisory in effect. Verified.

152 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 27, 2015 3:34:01am

Oh hell.
My Nazarene minister of a brother, who is normally contemptuous of fundies and their craziness, appears to have gotten a dose of the kool-aid after all and is now saying that he will refuse to perform same-sex weddings even if he is threatened with arrest.
I reminded him that there are still preachers who refuse to perform interracial weddings and they are not arrested (though they are mocked and reviled when they come to light). He immediately demanded to know if I was equating his stance with racial bigotry. I just said, “The shoe fits, in that both you and a racist bigot are refusing to perform a legal, civil ceremony for religious reasons.” It is not illegal to be a racist, and it is not, and will not be, illegal to be a homophobe. He can marry, or not marry, whomever he chooses, but I am embarrassed and disappointed that he would pursue fake martyr cookies over this choice.

153 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 3:46:40am

Closing the week out in style:

154 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 3:47:36am
155 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 3:48:41am

I just remembered - where’s the wave of fundie Christian divorces in the wake of the Obergefell v Hodges decision? Where’s the mass self-immolations of wingnut preachers? Are the wingnuts going to do disappoint me and not go all Masada, as they promised they would? Didn’t Glenn Beck say he had 10,000 preachers ready to die?

Fucking laughable cowards, each and every one. Pussies. They talk so big, yet when all is said and done, they’re nothing more than whiny, cringing lickspittles.

For all their tough, badass talk, they’d be the first ones to recite the Shahada if they were actually confronted with a Da’esh headchopper. That would certainly be quite the sight, wouldn’t it - them trying to say, “lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muhammadur rasūlu-llāh” while simultaneously blubbering, “Please don’t kill me!” and soiling themselves.

156 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 3:49:29am
157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 3:49:36am

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

From a moral standpoint, 6/26 is now our 9/11.

From a moral standpoint, Bryan Fischer is a steaming pile of dog turds…

158 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 3:50:03am

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

Closing the week out in style:

Oh, brace for incoming wingnut howls of impotent rage.

159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 3:59:45am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Oh, brace for incoming wingnut howls of impotent rage.

How about a compromise?

160 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 4:02:19am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How about a compromise?

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Not bad, but I think this would be better.

161 Bubblehead II  Jun 27, 2015 4:06:08am

My Governor is a dick.

Otter calls marriage ruling ‘truly disappointing’

BOISE — Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter responded Friday morning to the Supreme Court’s 5-4 ruling legalizing gay marriage in all 50 states, calling the decision “truly disappointing.”

Not really expecting a response.

L8R. Time to go to work.

162 ozharas  Jun 27, 2015 4:13:50am

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

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surprised it’s taken this long for someone to just take action and take it down already.

163 Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2015 4:28:38am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

Not bad, but I think this would be better.

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Morning all.

Coffees on, the boat is hooked up. I really just stopped by to check the weather….

I saw this and was immediately struck by the tune from Deliverance..

That has now pushed out the Dopapod tune that’s been running there for the last week.

164 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 4:31:18am

And once I come to LGF and see the great news. Love it :)

165 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 4:31:31am

re: #163 Dave In Austin

What Dopapod tune?

166 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 4:32:14am

I’ve been listening to Lindemann these past few days.

167 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 4:33:55am

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

It does, in a way. Israel already officially records same sex marriage performed abroad and gives same sex couples all the same rights. Same sex marriage inside Israel faces the same barrier preventing atheists and most interfaith couples from getting married there, they have no secular marriage, but honor secular marriages performed abroad. Otherwise, to get married inside Israel requires involving a religious authority, which results in very strict rules about who a Cohen may marry for instance.

An interesting mixture of regressive and progressive policies.

And yes, Israel should get rid of the former.

168 Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2015 4:35:33am

re: #165 Nyet

What Dopapod tune?

Picture in Picture…

Great tune but quite sticky….. Here’s a live ver.

169 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 4:43:45am

re: #161 Bubblehead II

My Governor is a dick.

Otter calls marriage ruling ‘truly disappointing’

BOISE — Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter responded Friday morning to the Supreme Court’s 5-4 ruling legalizing gay marriage in all 50 states, calling the decision “truly disappointing.”

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Not really expecting a response.

L8R. Time to go to work.

I know we had a Senator called “Scoop” for many years…but Governor “Butch”? Seriously?

170 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 4:50:49am

Well, fuck.

“A” for effort tho’.

171 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 4:53:17am

re: #161 Bubblehead II

In the end, the WSA (Wingnut States of America - aka, Jesusland) states will comply with the Obergefell v Hodges decision. They’re just trying to figure out a way to comply while making it look like they’re not - they gotta be able to hustle the rubes, after all. They’ll make noises like ‘freedom’ and ‘religious liberty’; they’ll bitterly complain about ‘having Big Gay shoved down their throats’ (ahem!) and some of them will probably even come up with meaningless legislation to pander to the wingnuts, loons like Alabama’s Roy Moore notwithstanding - he’ll go down fighting, but when all is said and done, it’s an exercise in futility.

And deep down, they know this.

172 Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2015 4:56:15am

Next time, the pulleys come down with the flag.

173 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 4:57:10am
174 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:05:53am

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

What black woman? (Really don’t know.)

175 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 5:07:19am

re: #174 Nyet

What black woman? (Really don’t know.)

Brittany “Bree” Newsome, the activist who climbed the pole in SC and took the Confederate Flag down this morning.

176 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:08:25am

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I read this tweet in the opposite sense then :D

177 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:21:26am

So Jindal proposed getting rid of the SCOTUS.

178 Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2015 5:23:56am
179 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 5:24:46am

re: #61 b_sharp

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

It’s one of the things I like the best about living in Canada. We are really fucking boring.

Excitement is a highly overrated emotion in my opinion.

180 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 5:24:55am

re: #177 Nyet

So Jindal proposed getting rid of the SCOTUS.

Rhodes Scholar.

181 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 5:26:29am
182 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 5:31:20am

re: #65 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank

I am recalling an old and probably almost unknown SF novel from the 60s; Watchers of the Dark.

In it the powerful of the galaxy had made marriage pretty much about power. People got married, usually to other species, for political and economic reasons. For offspring they had mates of the same species.

Nobody saw any problem with that.

183 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 5:33:02am

re: #68 bill d

Canada sounds like a great place for the future wingnut homeland.

If they hate America as currently constituted Canada will reduce them to catatonia.

184 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 5:34:04am

re: #182 Romantic Heretic

I am recalling an old and probably almost unknown SF novel from the 60s; Watchers of the Dark.

In it the powerful of the galaxy had made marriage pretty much about power. People got married, usually to other species, for political and economic reasons. For offspring they had mates of the same species.

Nobody saw any problem with that.

Oh man, I was a huge Biggle fan back then. I don’t know why he seems to have fallen from favor since—in those days, of the very slim pickings of Science Fiction in the library, probably half the titles were his.

185 goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2015 5:40:25am
186 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:40:51am

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

Then to blacks too?

187 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:41:36am

From the Patriotism Files:

My allegiance to this country is gone

Posted on 06/27/2015 1:58:58 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME

My allegiance to this country is gone, and I used to be so highly patriotic. Its a very sad day. Let the chinese or russians have it, my allegiance is to God, I am done with trying to change this liberal godless cancer of a country.

————-

God has set the date for the destruction for the harlot nation. I pray for my children and grandchildren many times a day. It will be terrible for the young because no one bothered to stop this evil, which shall be punished as it always is.

3 posted on 6/27/2015, 5:49:18 AM by txrefugee
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188 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 5:44:44am

re: #118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, goody! Radical Anxiety Termination is here!

Oh great. We’re playing God, again.

189 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:46:27am
Shock of your life
Take 1 minute to comprehend what you read below.

During our lifetimes, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders. For various reasons, some have issued more than others. These things will directly affect us all, in years to come.

Question is: Do YOU care enough to send this, ‘shocking info,’ to people you love

Ike - 2 in 8 year

Kennedy - 4 in 3 year

LBJ - 4 in 5 years

Nixon - 1 in 6 years

Ford - 3 in 2 years

Carter - 3 in 4 years

Reagan - 5 in 8 years

Bush - 3 in 4 years

Clinton - 15 in 8 years

George W. Bush - 62 in 8 years

Obama - 923 in 3 1/2 years! More than 1000+ and counting Executive Orders in 6 years…

Unless I am misunderstanding something…

archives.gov

Administration of Barack Obama (2009-Present)

213 Total Executive orders Issued

Administration of George W. Bush (2001-2009)

291 Total Executive orders Issued

Administration of William J. Clinton (1993-2001)

364 Total Executive Orders Issued

Administration of Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)

381 Total Executive Orders Issued

190 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:47:05am

re: #189 Nyet

Ike - 486, not 2…

191 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 5:48:30am

re: #189 Nyet

Snopes of course:

snopes.com

192 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2015 5:53:49am

re: #191 Nyet

Snopes of course:

snopes.com

There is a core set of EOs that basically tell fed Executive Branch employees how to respond to legislation, run their agencies, or hang the toilet paper in the men’s room. A number of them become technologically or legally obsolete in each administration and have to be rescinded (by EO) or renewed. That’s where most of each president’s new crop of signings comes from. As a result, the number of EOs tends to become cumulative.

193 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:28:35am

re: #189 Nyet

Unless I am misunderstanding something…

archives.gov

You’re not misunderstanding anything. The people who post the fake are engaging in serious confirmation bias.

194 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 6:31:46am
195 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 6:32:27am

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

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You have the right to remain silent, but that was really fucking awesome.

196 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 6:35:19am
197 Whack-A-Mole  Jun 27, 2015 6:37:11am

I am so sick of the hypocrisy and bullshit of the right.

In regards to SSM, they claim that states should be free to decide for them selves yet when states like California deciding to place limits on guns it is tyranny, as if the right to own a gun is somehow more important and more fundamental a right than the freedom to live your life and love who you will (you know, that whole life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness thing?)

And Ted Cruz’s bullshit about putting USSC Justices up for election? Sure, but we’ll rig the fucking game by denying the right to vote to the undesirables and the people who won’t vote like we want. And if that doesn’t work, we’ll move the goalposts some more.

They love and revere the Constitution, treating it like Holy Writ, but are willing to throw it away the first time it doesn’t read their way and enthusiastically debase everything it stands for. (Actually, now that I think about it, that’s pretty much exactly the same way they treat their Holy Bible so it shouldn’t be a surprise, should it?)

They respect and honor the troops for their service while arming and preparing to kill them in their action-movie inspired, delayed-adolescence, second American Revolution fantasies.

They’re proud patriots, yet celebrate a traitorous rebellion against the country,

It’s bullshit, all of it, and I’m sick to death of it. They need to be called out on it, loudly, publicly, and often.

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:39:30am

The take the writers of the Constiution and amendments strictly by what they “believed” crowd is so stupid and dishonest. Kennedy and the other four correctly realize that the principles of the 14th make SSM Constituional and furthermore have read Loving. Ironically, Roberts and the three dissenters are despite their claims otherwise much more influenced by their own prejudices than the majority was.

199 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:42:52am

Putting up Supreme Court judges for election is so stupid. He cries about how judges are too “partisan” now, and again I point out that a Reagan appointee wrote the majority, imagine now. Judges being appointed for life has worked. What Ted is proposing is simply because he does not like the rulings. At least there was some precedent to expand the court when FDR wanted to.

200 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 6:43:08am

re: #197 Whack-A-Mole

In regards to SSM, they claim that states should be free to decide for them selves yet when states like California deciding to place limits on guns it is tyranny, as if the right to own a gun is somehow more important and more fundamental a right than the freedom to live your life and love who you will (you know, that whole life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness thing?)

Well, to much of the religious right, indeed the “right to bear arms” is an inalienable right of being a citizen of the US, while “marriage” is a sacrament practiced within the boundaries of a church.

Really, that is their belief system.

201 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:46:47am

The people trolling and saying “While I support SSM, it should be up for a vote.” Uh no.

202 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 6:48:51am
203 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 6:49:26am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

The people trolling and saying “While I support SSM, it should be up for a vote.” Uh no.

It was. It won, 5-4

204 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:51:13am

There is no reason why a gay couple shouldn’t be able to enjoy the same rights as a straight one. Now if your church wants to deny them a ceremony fine, they’re not or have ever been forced to but the state cannot. The Bible which contradicts itself on this issue anyhow is not our law.

205 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 6:51:22am

re: #200 freetoken

Well, to much of the religious right, indeed the “right to bear arms” is an inalienable right of being a citizen of the US, while “marriage” is a sacrament practiced within the boundaries of a church.

Really, that is their belief system.

I can’t help but wonder - now that SSM is legal throughout the US, and as America continues on its way, its economy recovering (though with the usual boom-and-bust cycles) and as life goes on as normal, will the wingnuts fanaticism be broken at last? After all, as I type this, America has not fallen into the core of the Earth, a comet hasn’t hit NYC, San Francisco is still there and California has yet to fall into the Pacific Ocean.

When the wingnuts’ much-anticipated and fervently hoped-for “Great Judgement” fails to come to pass, what are they going to do? I know the human capacity for rationalization is practically infinite, but sooner or later, it’s going to have to occur to them that their apocalyptic fantasies are just that - fantasies.

Then what?

206 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:51:38am

re: #203 darthstar

It was. It won, 5-4

Heh you know what I mean.

207 Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2015 6:52:01am
208 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:52:03am

re: #202 darthstar

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Awesome.

209 Whack-A-Mole  Jun 27, 2015 6:54:47am

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

I can’t help but wonder - now that SSM is legal throughout the US, and as America continues on its way, its economy recovering (though with the usual boom-and-bust cycles) and as life goes on as normal, will the wingnuts fanaticism be broken at last?

No, at least I don’t believe it will end. Did the violence and killing and brutality towards African-Americans stop after they lost the Civil War? After integration and the CRM? No, they simply moved on to a guerrilla campaign of terror. And I really do worry that that will be repeated in the coming years.

210 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 6:56:38am
211 WhatEVs  Jun 27, 2015 6:58:54am

re: #197 Whack-A-Mole

My sentiments exactly. Exactly.

212 WhatEVs  Jun 27, 2015 7:00:25am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

The take the writers of the Constiution and amendments strictly by what they “believed” crowd is so stupid and dishonest. Kennedy and the other four correctly realize that the principles of the 14th make SSM Constituional and furthermore have read Loving. Ironically, Roberts and the three dissenters are despite their claims otherwise much more influenced by their own prejudices than the majority was.

Prejudice and religion. Not prejudice alone.

213 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 7:02:18am

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

Checking the usual religious right internet outposts, pretty much everything is as you’d expect.

The ones with large vocabularies are writing long dissertations trying to defend their position that this is a work of Satan or something to that effect… all very weird, but that just goes to show that the human brain can build a library of sounds (i.e. words) without really having to be logical.

Most of the religious right though is just frothing incoherently.

This is not new.

Abortion was the same way after Roe v. Wade and that battle continues to this day.

We still have politicians today fighting evolution (and other modern science) on religious grounds.

Do not ever underestimate the need humans have for religious thinking. It is our creation, a way to deal with our individual (and universal) existential crisis.

The theistic religion of the Near East ( in its three most common evolutions: Judaism/Christianity/Islam) very much has wound into its DNA fears of sex and the need to control mating and childbearing. In my mind this goes along quite well with the individual existential dilemma, as an individual may be thought of as living on in their offspring.

There is a deep and abiding connection between sex and death.

The various social machinations we have today (such as USSC decisions) are pretty short term in the big picture of human evolution and human society (which is older than 5000 years, contra Santorum.)

214 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 7:03:44am
215 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:04:26am

re: #212 WhatEVs

Prejudice and religion. Not prejudice alone.

Prejudice influenced by religion, when I said prejudice, I meant influence from non legal sources.

216 Drive By Commenter  Jun 27, 2015 7:06:54am

Rick Santorum And One Man One Woman As Per Bible

Just go away Grifting Rick. Go away.

217 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:09:28am

re: #216 Drive By Commenter

Rick Santorum And One Man One Woman As Per Bible

Just go away Grifting Rick. Go away.

Okay Rick but the Bible isn’t our law. The bible forbids a lot of things which you violate all the time without realizing it too. Here’s a tip, shut up about gay people and actually talk about issues or are you incapable of being but a homophobic troll.

218 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 7:09:46am

In some good news, it seems Da’esh has been cleared out of Kobane by Kurdish forces.

“Kobani has been completely cleared of Daesh and Kurdish forces are now combing the town looking for fighters who may have gone into hiding,” activist Mustafa Bali, using the Arabic acronym for the IS, told The Associated Press by telephone from Kobani.

The official SANA news agency also said Kobani had been cleared of IS fighters and that forces were searching for any remaining militants.

Bali and the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said fighting continued Saturday between the Kurdish forces and IS fighters in areas to the south and west of the town on the Turkish border. They did not have details.

huffingtonpost.com

While ISIS may be able to inspire fellow-travelers to individual acts of terrorism, as we saw yesterday, they seem to be facing increasing difficulties as a would-be nation state. Hopefully (insha’Allah) it won’t be much longer before their “caliphate” collapses entirely*.

*=yes, that’s likely gonna create a whole new series of problems as some of the Da’esh rats flee the sinking ship and attempt to return to their respective countries of origin.

219 Viscous Obama  Jun 27, 2015 7:12:56am

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Marriage equality and Obamacare are right up there with 9/11 and Pear Harbor apparently.

Ted Cruz isn’t the first person to jump on this retarded idea either.

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Bears flew planes into Bryan’s penis or something.

220 Drive By Commenter  Jun 27, 2015 7:13:48am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Rick is much, much more than a homophobic troll. Much more.

221 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:14:19am

re: #219 Viscous Obama

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Was happy to see a SNL cast member who lost his father on 9/11 call out that disgusting piece of shit.

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:15:17am

re: #220 Drive By Commenter

Rick is much, much more than a homophobic troll. Much more.

Yes a homophobic troll who hates education too and tries to think he knows more science than a masters of chemistry.

223 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 7:17:12am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Okay Rick but the Bible isn’t our law. The bible forbids a lot of things which you violate all the time without realizing it too. Here’s a tip, shut up about gay people and actually talk about issues or are you incapable of being but a homophobic troll.

The Bible isn’t our law—the Constitution is. IANAL—and also, IANASCJ—but since the people who are are too stupid to do it, it’s pretty easy to determine what the Constitution says about marriage being “One Man One Woman As Per Bible”.

I Command-F’ed the whole fucker and found that the word “marriage” does not appear. (Neither does the word “woman” for that matter.) Can haz lifetime sinecure naow?

224 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 7:17:45am

Well. At least one Fox host is willing to accept reality.

225 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 7:20:29am

re: #224 darthstar

Well. At least one Fox host is willing to accept reality.

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She better watch it - FNC viewers ain’t gonna like that one bit.

HOW DARE SHE ALLOW REALITY TO INTRUDE INTO OUR BUBBLE AND DENY US OUR MARTYR COOKIES!!

226 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 7:21:59am
227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 7:24:41am

re: #202 darthstar

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I am really surprised she didn’t fall down from there riddled with bullets.

228 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 7:26:26am

re: #227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I am really surprised she didn’t fall down from there riddled with bullets.

The police probably saw the cameras in time.

229 Lidane  Jun 27, 2015 7:28:16am

The sun’s out. Birds are singing. I can hear traffic nearby, meaning that people are up and about, going to work, or to enjoy time with friends or family. Maybe they’re going to get breakfast then go to the lake, who knows?

No floods. No plagues of locusts and cicadas. No fires, or volcanic eruptions. No mass smiting from the Heavens. No major earthquakes. It’s almost as if the universe didn’t collapse in on itself when same-sex marriage became legal.

230 Sionainn  Jun 27, 2015 7:29:04am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

AFAIK, no state constitution specifies marriage must be between one man and one woman. The only restrictions regard age of consent.

Or am I hallucinating?

Nevada’s Constitution was amended to state marriage was between one man and one woman. That was deemed unconstitutional within the past year.

231 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 7:31:23am
232 Drive By Commenter  Jun 27, 2015 7:31:55am

I have family that I care for who are gay. My one brother in law is happily married and him and his partner were married in Hawaii years ago. Now they are legal nationwide. My one cousin was just married to her partner a year ago and I just went to the anniversary party two weeks a go. They love and care for one another. I let them all know how happy I was for them, and how this week lent me hope that we can be better and actually become more humane and caring. I just want the pages of history to completely expose the evil behind the charlatans who wrap themselves in stars and stripes and hold a book in their hands and attempt to not only ruin lives, but destroy them. This fight is far from over but I am hopeful once again. It never ends. That’s why you never stop fighting. Never. Now there is only marriage. Me and my wife have been married 37 years and she is my everything. I hope that others can find that. Love is love.

233 Lidane  Jun 27, 2015 7:35:27am

RWNJ legal scholars all over teh internets have seized on this bit of fail as their latest talking point:

Teh Ghey being able to get married in all 50 states means my CCW should be applicable in all 50 states because “equal protection under teh law” and because a marriage license in one state applies to all of them.

What. The. Fuck.

234 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 7:38:27am

re: #233 Lidane

RWNJ legal scholars all over teh internets have seized on this bit of fail as their latest talking point:

Teh Ghey being able to get married in all 50 states means my CCW should be applicable in all 50 states because “equal protection under teh law” and because a marriage license in one state applies to all of them.

What. The. Fuck.

The Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, it does not guarantee the right to marry!!!

/

235 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 7:41:13am

re: #231 darthstar

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I wish I could upding that more. :D:D:D

236 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 7:44:45am

Another thing I’ve been seeing making the rounds in places which wingnuts frequent is the “Persecution is already going on” schtik, often citing how a pastor in Germany got jailed for preaching against homosexuality.

Only, upon closer scrutiny, when one looks more closely at the case, he got convicted of holocaust denial. You see, in Germany it is illegal to deny the holocaust, even individual facets of it, including the gay victims.

Just a heads up for y’all.

237 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:45:00am

re: #233 Lidane

RWNJ legal scholars all over teh internets have seized on this bit of fail as their latest talking point:

Teh Ghey being able to get married in all 50 states means my CCW should be applicable in all 50 states because “equal protection under teh law” and because a marriage license in one state applies to all of them.

What. The. Fuck.

Surprised they’re not begging to be married to their guns at this point. They certainly care more about guns than other people.

238 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:46:00am

re: #236 Teukka

Another thing I’ve been seeing making the rounds in places which wingnuts frequent is the “Persecution is already going on” schtik, often citing how a pastor in Germany got jailed for preaching against homosexuality.

Only, upon closer scrutiny, when one looks more closely at the case, he got convicted of holocaust denial. You see, in Germany it is illegal to deny the holocaust, even individual facets of it, including the gay victims.

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Just a heads up for y’all.

Our idiots believe not only were there no gay holocaust victims but that gays were behind it.

239 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 7:47:40am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Our idiots believe not only were there no gay holocaust victims but that gays were behind it.

Yep. And I’d like to give a hearty “Fuck You” to Scott Lively for promulgating that bullshit.

240 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 7:48:00am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Our idiots believe not only were there no gay holocaust victims but that gays were behind it.

Oh yeah, the “Pink Swastika!” Schpiel.

*smh*

241 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:49:05am

It’s cool to see on Facebook friends from all walks of life and family too express their support for yesterday’s historic moment.

242 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 7:49:17am

Woke up, looked around outside my window. Got in my car, went downtown to the Kroger in The Brewery District. Drove back home. Turned on my computer. Logged in to LGF.

Guess what?

We’re still here. Everything seems the same.

I guess God, Mother Nature, and everything in the world is just the same as yesterday.

Fabulous!

243 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:49:22am

re: #240 Teukka

Oh yeah, the “Pink Swastika!” Schpiel.

*smh*

Yeah Lively.

244 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 7:51:18am

I didn’t know this. Shark stays down - no ping.

245 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:51:24am

WaPo called out Roberts and Scalia both for their tantrums using quotes by Nixon and Donald Trump ouch.

246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 8:06:39am

Well, they warned us:

Dog and Cat Sleeping Together
247 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:07:28am

re: #246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, they warned us:

Image: Dog and Cat Sleeping Together

Ban inter species pet owning./:

248 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 8:09:26am

Never mind…just looked. Fucker’s been desecrating the American flag, not sporting the Confederate one.

249 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 8:10:52am

Just thought I’d leave this here…

Bit to screw wingnuts with.

On a bit more serious note tho, what is it called?

250 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 27, 2015 8:18:11am

re: #151 Teukka

So a wingnut brought this to my attention…

Why the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage could lead to civil war

Yep, massive butthurt advisory in effect. Verified.

Like I said yesterday… BRING IT, YOU CHUBBY, PANTING, SUSPENDER-WEARING GUN-HUMPER BITCHEZ! Let’s do it, let’s have a war over The Gey! Because maybe this time the civilized world will finish the job and turn the South into something to be proud of, not just a run-down, half-empty, low-GDP, poorly-educated bloc of resentful, spastic, occasionally violent welfare states that consistently run a half-century (or more) behind the rest of the country (and the world in general).

I’m sorry, I’ve been across the old Confederacy a few times and I’ve spent the last five years of my career talking to people on the bottom end of the economy there, and the financial and governmental state of almost an entire third of the country is just an absolute stain… If these fuckers want to get off their butts to fight over where people put their genitals in their spare time, instead of the Failed State model of governance that they keep electing into office, then so be it.

“Finish Reconstruction 2016”, not exactly a Presidential slogan but I’m on board.

251 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 8:22:27am

re: #250 Pawn of the Oppressor

Like I said yesterday… BRING IT, YOU CHUBBY, PANTING, SUSPENDER-WEARING GUN-HUMPER BITCHEZ! Let’s do it, let’s have a war over The Gey! Because maybe this time the civilized world will finish the job and turn the South into something to be proud of, not just a run-down, half-empty, low-GDP, poorly-educated bloc of resentful, spastic, occasionally violent welfare states that consistently run a half-century (or more) behind the rest of the country (and the world in general).

I’m sorry, I’ve been across the old Confederacy a few times and I’ve spent the last five years of my career talking to people on the bottom end of the economy there, and the financial and governmental state of almost an entire third of the country is just an absolute stain… If these fuckers want to get off their butts to fight over where people put their genitals in their spare time, instead of the Failed State model of governance that they keep electing into office, then so be it.

“Finish Reconstruction 2016”, not exactly a Presidential slogan but I’m on board.

And maybe make the bit I posted above the symbol of the movement? *ducks*

252 electrotek  Jun 27, 2015 8:26:06am

Man arguing with homophobes on Twitter, even those that are considered “millennial” doesn’t get me anywhere no matter what.

253 austin_blue  Jun 27, 2015 8:26:14am

Wow. Unbelievably, the sun rose in the east this morning over Texas.

No frogs, locusts, or blood.

Pretty much every families’ first born sons survived.

Huh. Odd. I was told it was the end of the world…

254 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 8:26:41am

Looking at The Independent, I see London’s Pride Parade is underway:

Today’s gay pride parade is well underway in London, in what is expected to be the biggest event to date.

It is estimated that tens of thousands are taking part in London Pride. The capital city has been decked with rainbow flags and packed with revellers as they celebrate LGBT progress.

The parade left Baxter Street at 1pm and will go past Regent Street, Pall Mall and Trafalgar Square before ending at Whitehall around 4:30pm.

In a sign of solidarity with members of the LGBT community in other countries, flag bearers are carrying more than 200 international flags as they walk the route.

Pride of place is the American flag, following the US Supreme Court’s ruling yesterday that same-sex is a constitutional right which should be afforded to every citizen.

independent.co.uk

Wingnuts are gonna lose their freakin’ minds today with all the Pride Parades taking place in the US.

WHY ARE TEH GHEYS SHOVING THEIR BIG GHEY DOWN OUR THROATS?!! or something to that effect.

Heh.

255 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2015 8:27:21am

re: #253 austin_blue

Wow. Unbelievably, the sun rose in the east this morning over Texas.

No frogs, locusts, or blood.

Pretty much every families’ first born sons survived.

Huh. Odd. I was told it was the end of the world…

we mentioned earlier, God is waiting until July 4th so that his intentions are clear to everyone

256 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 27, 2015 8:31:05am

re: #251 Teukka

It should be a symbol fitting for the Gay Reich and the elite foot-soldiers we’re going to clean out the woods with - Das Twinken-Staffel of the Fruechtes-Wehrmacht. PINK JACK BOOTS ON THE NECKS OF GAWD-FEERIN’ WHITE FOLK! Our objective will be to make everybody wear leather pants!

And also, maybe arrange things so the best gig a young citizen of the South can hope for is better than being a clerk at Dollar General. BUT ZAT COMES AFTER ZE GEY ARMY

257 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 8:31:19am

In news out of the EU, looks like time’s up for Greece.

telegraph.co.uk

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 8:32:09am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

AFAIK, no state constitution specifies marriage must be between one man and one woman. The only restrictions regard age of consent.

Or am I hallucinating?

Still catching up on the comments, so don’t know if anyone mentioned it: Kentucky’s Constitution defines marriage as as exclusive union between a man and a woman. It happened in 2004. I remember it being on the ballot.

259 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 8:35:50am

re: #257 Dr Lizardo

In regard to that, here’s this little snippet.

The doorstepping is over and the answer from finance ministers of Germany, Slovakia and Finland was clear. There will be no bail-out extension after June 30. This means Greece will be forced to default to the IMF on Tuesday and is poised to implement capital controls by Monday morning to stave off a banking collapse.

Greece is hosed for the foreseeable future.

260 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 8:35:55am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still catching up on the comments, so don’t know if anyone mentioned it: Kentucky’s Constitution defines marriage as as exclusive union between a man and a woman. It happened in 2004. I remember it being on the ballot.

So that makes two states, Utah and Kentucky. But the Utah provision was declared unconstitutional. Is the Ky provision still on the books?

261 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2015 8:36:08am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Alabama:

en.wikipedia.org

262 stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2015 8:36:32am

The SCOTUS marriage decision, in haiku.

Scalia’s dissent:

You’re not a poet,
Kennedy. And by the way,
Democracy’s dead.

All of them made me smile.

263 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 8:39:05am

re: #256 Pawn of the Oppressor

It should be a symbol fitting for the Gay Reich and the elite foot-soldiers we’re going to clean out the woods with - Das Twinken-Staffel of the Fruechtes-Wehrmacht. PINK JACK BOOTS ON THE NECKS OF GAWD-FEERIN’ WHITE FOLK! Our objective will be to make everybody wear leather pants!

And also, maybe arrange things so the best gig a young citizen of the South can hope for is better than being a clerk at Dollar General. BUT ZAT COMES AFTER ZE GEY ARMY

*Die Twink(s)-Staffel
*Früchte-Wehrmacht

/grammarnazi

264 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 8:39:42am

So, an anti-gay wingnut in a chat rocked in the last 24 hours just dropped this turd as an argument… I sure hope he is just trolling… Gag alert on link!

donotlink.com

265 Ian G.  Jun 27, 2015 8:49:05am

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

Teddy boy is from a state that once saw a city wiped off the face of the earth by a hurricane in a space of about 24 hours with a death toll of anywhere from 8-12 thousand. And Hannity’s employer is based in the same city where the WTC once stood.

Both of these amoebas can go fuck themselves with a cactus covered in habanero sauce.

266 thedopefishlives  Jun 27, 2015 8:52:28am

Morning Lizardim from the clear, sunny, beautiful wild north country. I’m taking a short break from tweaking my pimpin’ ride to post the following derpularity I found on my Facebook feed - not from a wingnut, believe it or not, but from a military vet who clearly sympathizes with the Confederate cause. I would expect to see lots of hate for the same-sex marriage decision from this particular camp. How go things among the lizardfolk on this gorgeous summer day?

DERPULARITY
267 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:52:52am

re: #265 Ian G.

Teddy boy is from a state that once saw a city wiped off the face of the earth by a hurricane in a space of about 24 hours with a death toll of anywhere from 8-12 thousand. And Hannity’s employer is based in the same city where the WTC once stood.

Both of these amoebas can go fuck themselves with a cactus covered in habanero sauce.

You don’t have to be a Texan or New Yorker to find that statement so ridiculously hyperbolic even for fuckwads like Teddy and Sean.

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 8:53:32am

re: #260 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So that makes two states, Utah and Kentucky. But the Utah provision was declared unconstitutional. Is the Ky provision still on the books?

Yes, it is; it was the basis for Kentucky’s failed attempt to not recognize out-of-state SSM marriages (Bourke v Beshear, one of the cases that was combined under the umbrella of Obergefell for SCOTUS, for which Beshear hired outside counsel because our AG Conway refused to do so). But right after yesterday’s SCOTUS decision, Gov Beshear ordered that SSM licenses are to be issued. The General Assembly will have to do something about the Constitution, I guess.

269 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 8:53:34am

re: #253 austin_blue

Wow. Unbelievably, the sun rose in the east this morning over Texas.

No frogs, locusts, or blood.

Pretty much every families’ first born sons survived.

Huh. Odd. I was told it was the end of the world…

Well, you do still have Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott.

///

270 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 8:54:18am

re: #265 Ian G.

Teddy boy is from a state that once saw a city wiped off the face of the earth by a hurricane in a space of about 24 hours with a death toll of anywhere from 8-12 thousand. And Hannity’s employer is based in the same city where the WTC once stood.

Both of these amoebas can go fuck themselves with a cactus covered in habanero sauce.

Then there was the Texas City Disaster.

271 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:54:35am

re: #266 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the clear, sunny, beautiful wild north country. I’m taking a short break from tweaking my pimpin’ ride to post the following derpularity I found on my Facebook feed - not from a wingnut, believe it or not, but from a military vet who clearly sympathizes with the Confederate cause. I would expect to see lots of hate for the same-sex marriage decision from this particular camp. How go things among the lizardfolk on this gorgeous summer day?

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He’s fine to love his CSA ancestors but the flag does not belong on a state capital building just like the Taliban’s flag does not.

272 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 8:56:16am

re: #264 Teukka

So, an anti-gay wingnut in a chat rocked in the last 24 hours just dropped this turn as an argument… I sure hope he is just trolling… Gag alert on link!

donotlink.com

I just reported that to the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz. Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany.

273 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:56:29am

I’m good though. Feel a little bittersweet hearing about an old high school acquaintance passed away. We weren’t friends but I had classes with him and he seemed like a nice and intelligent kid. Only 27 or 28 years old. And we bury another.

274 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 8:56:35am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, it is; it was the basis for Kentucky’s failed attempt to not recognize out-of-state SSM marriages (Bourke v Beshear, one of the cases that was combined under the umbrella of Obergefell for SCOTUS, for which Beshear hired outside counsel because our AG Conway refused to do so). But right after yesterday’s SCOTUS decision, Gov Beshear ordered that SSM licenses are to be issued. The General Assembly will have to do something about the Constitution, I guess.

Thanks for the update.

275 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 27, 2015 8:57:14am

Am I misunderstanding something? I didn’t think that anyone has to get married, gay or otherwise. I didn’t think that clergy have to perform gay marriages. Yet it seems that some of the conservatives have already determined that this imposition is worth civil war or rewriting the Constitution. Just wondering why they didn’t consider peaceful protest or civil disobedience. Or, you know, voting.

276 electrotek  Jun 27, 2015 8:58:27am

re: #275 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Am I misunderstanding something? I didn’t think that anyone has to get married, gay or otherwise. I didn’t think that clergy have to perform gay marriages. Yet it seems that some of the conservatives have already determined that this imposition is worth civil war or rewriting the Constitution. Just wondering why they didn’t consider peaceful protest or civil disobedience. Or, you know, voting.

Because voting is haraam according to the Christian Anjem Choudary’s of America of course.

277 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 8:58:41am

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

I just reported that to the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz. Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany.

Apparently, she may already be under investigation by the Verfassungsschutz, she’s meddling in the case of a 94-year old former KZ clerk.

278 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 9:01:43am
279 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:02:45am

re: #277 Teukka

Apparently, she may already be under investigation by the Verfassungsschutz, she’s meddling in the case of a 94-year old former KZ clerk.

Well, then here’s another thing for BfV to investigate. I have no patience for that kind of BS.

280 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:03:35am

re: #278 wrenchwench

Alabama. My shocked face, my surprise, etc.

*spit*

281 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:03:51am

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

This shithead throws out all the denier chestnuts, starting with the most idiotic “they changed the 4 million plaque at Auschwitz” gambit (except the plaque never said that most of the 4 million were Jews). She even drags out Fritjof Meyer’s stale pseudo-scholarship. Little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but when hate is added to the mix…

282 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:05:17am
7:45 No valid confession can be extracted by torture
7:49 and no one claimed
7:52 that in this concentration camp there was ever a gas chamber in which people were gassed
8:01 except for [former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf] Höss, who was tortured so terribly
8:06 that he afterwards said, «I would have signed anything.»

*eyeroll*
If only stupidity were painful.

283 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:08:15am

re: #282 Nyet

*eyeroll*
If only stupidity were painful.

It’s just sick.

Well, in her case, stupidity might be at the very least quite uncomfortable if the BfV starts looking into her.

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 9:08:34am
285 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:10:34am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wingnuts right about now:

286 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 9:10:41am

Utter self delusion leads to incoherent statement:

“If you read your Bible, sir, then you know the logic. The Bible says a man laying with a man or a woman laying with a woman is an abomination to God,” [judge] Hamic said. “I am not mixing religion with government, but that’s my feelings on it.”

Hamic quotes the Bible to defend his decision (to stop marrying people), then claims he’s not mixing religion with government.

These people are seriously deluded by their own lies.

287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 9:10:42am
288 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 27, 2015 9:12:16am

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

Alabama. My shocked face, my surprise, etc.

*spit*

The bigots and the fundies, goaded on by the apex grifters, are going to be fighting clownish and futile rear-guard actions like this one for years. I’m not getting upset about them.

289 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 9:16:30am

re: #282 Nyet

*eyeroll*
If only stupidity were painful.

Do people like this deny historical facts just for their own peace of mind to cover over humans being capable of such heinous acts or to hide their own evil inner feelings?

I have never understood the reasons. It’s like going out into a torrential rainstorm, getting carried away in a flash flood but still crying ‘it is not raining!”

290 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:16:39am

re: #288 Higgs Boson’s Mate

…”apex grifters”

I like that. :D

291 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:19:14am

re: #289 ObserverArt

I’d say the mechanism of the Holocaust denial is the same as that of evolution and global warming denial. The reasons are superficially different, but both the psychological mechanisms, as well as the tactics are the same AFAIC.

292 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 9:20:20am
293 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 9:20:25am

RINO!!RINO!!RINO!!RINO!!

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Supreme Court’s Gay Marriage Ruling Was ‘the Right Decision’

Arnold Schwarzenegger, action star and former California governor, said in a press conference that the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide was “the right decision” - and he rebuffed those politicians “not having the balls” to lead.

294 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 9:20:56am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

u beets me

295 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 9:21:19am

re: #289 ObserverArt

Do people like this deny historical facts just for their own peace of mind to cover over humans being capable of such heinous acts or to hide their own evil inner feelings?

I have never understood the reasons. It’s like going out into a torrential rainstorm, getting carried away in a flash flood but still crying ‘it is not raining!”

For me, the reason for the denial is simple. They deny what happened in order to be able to cause the same shit happen all over.

296 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:22:25am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good man.

297 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:24:09am

Denial to me has always been about narrative. Deny the Holocaust or climate change, then you can deny that we need not to be bigots or take environmental action.

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 9:25:37am
299 sagehen  Jun 27, 2015 9:26:24am

re: #293 freetoken

RINO!!RINO!!RINO!!RINO!!

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Supreme Court’s Gay Marriage Ruling Was ‘the Right Decision’

um… this is where I remind everyone that the California state legislature passed marriage equality twice, in 2005 and 2007. Schwarzenegger vetoed it both times.

300 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:27:12am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Denial to me has always been about narrative. Deny the Holocaust or climate change, then you can deny that we need not to be bigots or take environmental action.

Denial is a psychological defense mechanism; it allows the denier to continue to function without having to confront uncomfortable realities (and possibly, their part in those realities) which would otherwise threaten their sense of identity or mental/emotional integrity.

301 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:27:16am

As most of you know I’m a Christian, though definitely NOT a homophobic one. One of my coworkers from my previous job is lesbian. She’s also one of the hardest working and most respectful people I’ve ever met. She and her partner are planning to get married once the smoke clears in MS.

Separating religion from secular law, I can easily see the 14th amendment argument and how it prevailed in this case. The Christian beliefs regarding homosexuality have been a point of struggle for me. I’ve been having a Jacob moment for awhile (in the old Testament Jacob wrestled with God from night until daybreak).

The definition and reality of living as a homosexual has changed so much from Bibical times. It’s not easy for me to reconcile that.

I love the teachings and ways of Christ, but I will never be able hate gay people in his name, nor do I think that’s proper behavior of any Christian.

I kind of wish I could read Hebrew so I could look at the scriptures as originally written. That might give me the clarity I’m looking for.

302 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:27:46am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’ll be back.

303 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 9:31:22am

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

As most of you know I’m a Christian, though definitely NOT a homophobic one. One of my coworkers from my previous job is lesbian. She’s also one of the hardest working and most respectful people I’ve ever met. She and her partner are planning to get married once the smoke clears in MS.

Separating religion from secular law, I can easily see the 14th amendment argument and how it prevailed in this case. The Christian beliefs regarding homosexuality have been a point of struggle for me. I’ve been having a Jacob moment for awhile (in the old Testament Jacob wrestled with God from night until daybreak).

The definition and reality of living as a homosexual has changed so much from Bibical times. It’s not easy for me to reconcile that.

I love the teachings and ways of Christ, but I will never be able hate gay people in his name, nor do I think that’s proper behavior of any Christian.

I kind of wish I could read Hebrew so I could look at the scriptures as originally written. That might give me the clarity I’m looking for.

Just go with your feelings. That is what true spirituality really is. Part of the Christian thinking is God sends out messages. You are already getting yours. Accept your reality and just go with being a good person.

304 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:32:07am

So did crazy Pastor guy set himself on fire yet?

305 stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2015 9:32:08am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

The City Of Minneapolis Says Happy Pride! The I-35W bridge will be lit like this Friday and Saturday night.

That’s the section of 35E 35W that had collapsed. The first time the bridge was lit in rainbows like that was the week when same-sex marriage became law in MN. That was a fun week.

Via Wiki: After 52.6% of state voters rejected a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in November 2012, the Minnesota Legislature passed a same-sex marriage bill in May 2013, which Governor Mark Dayton signed on May 14, 2013.

(edited to get the damned freeway right. I live a couple blocks from 35E)

306 TedStriker  Jun 27, 2015 9:32:32am

re: #299 sagehen

um… this is where I remind everyone that the California state legislature passed marriage equality twice, in 2005 and 2007. Schwarzenegger vetoed it both times.

A lot has changed since 2007; I think that even Arnie is allowed to have a “come to Jesus” moment on this, just as President Obama did.

307 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 9:32:36am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

So did crazy Pastor guy set himself on fire yet?

I’m still waiting.

308 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:32:36am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sure “they” do Jim.

309 thedopefishlives  Jun 27, 2015 9:32:51am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of my local friends posted this. I’ve never seen the bridge so beautiful.

310 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:33:09am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

So did crazy Pastor guy set himself on fire yet?

No he’s backtracking (shock) saying he didn’t mean it.

311 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 9:33:33am

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

I kind of wish I could read Hebrew so I could look at the scriptures as originally written. That might give me the clarity I’m looking for.

Some writers/theologians take the path of contextual relevance, positing that that culture of the ancient Near East cannot translate into 21st century America. For these kinds of approaches, orthopraxy is not something that is fixed in stone, and orthodoxy is not something that is too large, often reducing to a single assertion of a deity.

There is the “progressive Christian” movement, that fundamentalists assail, that attempt to do what you are doing. I don’t know how over the coming decades such movements will thrive, or if they will die. I think most of them will end up in a general deistic belief system.

312 thedopefishlives  Jun 27, 2015 9:33:54am

re: #305 stpaulbear

That’s the section of 35E that had collapsed. The first time the bridge was lit in rainbows like that was the week when same-sex marriage became law in MN. That was a fun week.

Via Wiki: After 52.6% of state voters rejected a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in November 2012, the Minnesota Legislature passed a same-sex marriage bill in May 2013, which Governor Mark Dayton signed on May 14, 2013.

Yep, I remember that quite clearly. It was a big, big deal out here because we live in a particularly religious area of Minnesota and the local community was bitterly divided.

313 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:34:04am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

No he’s backtracking (shock) saying he didn’t mean it.

Isn’t there something in the Bible about false witness?

:P

314 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:35:30am

I honestly think part of my struggle relates to the more Liberal society I grew up in and the more conservative one I’m in now.

315 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:35:40am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

Isn’t there something in the Bible about false witness?

:P

Yes but the Bible also frowns on mixing fabrics and eating shellfish. Which reminds me, I want shrimp tacos.

316 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:36:24am

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

so I could look at the scriptures as originally written

That would assume we have the original text… which we don’t :)

317 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 9:36:41am
318 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:39:52am

What religious folks need to understand is these texts were written over a thousand years ago. Can they be a guide for living a good life? Sure but the rule book, Nile, and even in the early years after the Bible was written, literalism wasn’t common. Biblical literalism is a modern concept.

319 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:40:47am

Not sure if this made its way here yesterday or not:

Assemblies of God leader says 6/26 a ‘sad day for America’

Today is a sad day for America.

In Obergefell v. Hodges, a 5-4 majority of the Supreme Court ruled:

“The Fourteenth Amendment requires a State to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-State.”

As a Christian minister and general superintendent of the Assemblies of God, I am deeply concerned with the Court’s redefinition of marriage and the negative effects that it may have on religious freedom.

320 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:41:27am

Even with all the scholarly efforts at restoring the original Hebrew text (which is expressly not the same as the masoretic text), at most we could get to the late “final edition” from a certain era. This would contain numerous edits that would simply go undetected by us.

321 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:43:26am

If you seriously want biblical law, you forfeit any right to complain about Shariah Imo.

322 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 9:43:40am
323 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 9:47:21am
324 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:48:04am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Literalism as a separate “phenomenon” - no. It was simply how people read the Bible - literally. Noah’s flood, Adam living ~ 900 years, etc. - people did not doubt this for the lack of counter-evidence. Hence lack of a “literalist movement”, simply because almost everyone was a literalist by default. When people like Augustine tried to allegorize some points, they were tolerated, but they also stood out. And Augustine of course believed in a 6000 year old cosmos.

325 Joe Bacon  Jun 27, 2015 9:48:12am

Those poor right wing nuts…taking 3 body blows in 2 days…hmmm, wonder what’s next in store for them so they can melt down ever more?

326 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:48:54am

re: #322 wrenchwench

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He has no sense of decency at all. I used to think maybe he got a bit of a bad rap but Thomas earns the scorn he gets by being a terrible judge.

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 9:49:12am
328 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:49:35am

re: #324 Nyet

Literalism as a separate “phenomenon” - no. It was simply how people read the Bible - literally. Noah’s flood, Adam living ~ 900 years, etc. - people simply did not doubt this for the lack of counter-evidence. Hence lack of a “literalist movement”, simply because almost everyone was a literalist by default. When people like Augustine tried to allegorize some points, they were tolerated, but they also stood out. And Augustine of course believed in the 6000 year old cosmos.

Ah ok fair enough.

329 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 9:49:46am

re: #316 Nyet

That would assume we have the original text… which we don’t :)

There is a little from the Qumran caves that may be within a few centuries of original edits… and some stuff from Egypt that are also a few centuries after fixation… but so little does actually remain from that time. There is nothing that is literally “the original”. Plus several of the best preserved of the writings did not become part of the received canon, which strikes me as being a bit arbitrary.

Anyway, the marriage customs of that time are not a deep mystery. Families arranged marriages. Rich men could afford more than one wife if they wanted. Infant death rate was high, women thus needing to bear many children in order to enough adult children to support them and society.

330 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:50:37am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I missed that one I guess. Is it on the same album as “I’m gonna move to Canada because of Obamacare.”

331 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 9:52:45am

Augustine:

They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed. And, not to spend many words in exposing the baselessness of these documents, in which so many thousands of years are accounted for, nor in proving that their authorities are totally inadequate, let me cite only that letter which Alexander the Great wrote to his mother Olympias, giving her the narrative he had from an Egyptian priest, which he had extracted from their sacred archives, and which gave an account of kingdoms mentioned also by the Greek historians. In this letter of Alexander’s a term of upwards of 5000 years is assigned to the kingdom of Assyria; while in the Greek history only 1300 years are reckoned from the reign of Bel himself, whom both Greek and Egyptian agree in counting the first king of Assyria. Then to the empire of the Persians and Macedonians this Egyptian assigned more than 8000 years, counting to the time of Alexander, to whom he was speaking; while among the Greeks, 485 years are assigned to the Macedonians down to the death of Alexander, and to the Persians 233 years, reckoning to the termination of his conquests. Thus these give a much smaller number of years than the Egyptians; and indeed, though multiplied three times, the Greek chronology would still be shorter. For the Egyptians are said to have formerly reckoned only four months to their year; so that one year, according to the fuller and truer computation now in use among them as well as among ourselves, would comprehend three of their old years. But not even thus, as I said, does the Greek history correspond with the Egyptian in its chronology. And therefore the former must receive the greater credit, because it does not exceed the true account of the duration of the world as it is given by our documents, which are truly sacred. Further, if this letter of Alexander, which has become so famous, differs widely in this matter of chronology from the probable credible account, how much less can we believe these documents which, though full of fabulous and fictitious antiquities, they would fain oppose to the authority of our well-known and divine books, which predicted that the whole world would believe them, and which the whole world accordingly has believed; which proved, too, that it had truly narrated past events by its prediction of future events, which have so exactly come to pass!

332 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2015 9:54:11am

333 CarolJ  Jun 27, 2015 9:57:14am

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This is the rally for which they put the flag back up.

Why do they need to even cater to these morons?

334 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:58:02am

re: #333 CarolJ

Image: CIg64YiUwAA3Bqk.jpg

This is the rally for which they put the flag back up.

Why do they need to even cater to these morons?

They’re the GOP base.

335 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2015 9:58:39am

I’m sorry to be the stick in the mud, but I couldn’t call yesterday a good day, for reasons that had nothing to do with anything that happened in the Western Hemisphere. Almost 40 dead in Tunisia, 20-odd more in a mosque bombing in Kuwait (an attack which targeted the same sort of place as did DipShit Roof, was also born out of bigotry, and and which also intended to ignite civil conflict), and one dead more in France.

Add that to something like 120 killed by Daesh’s Greif* raid in Korbane, Syria, and you’ve got 200 civilians killed in IS terror attacks in two days. Forgive me if I don’t feel the urge to celebrate.

*: Four updings to whomever gets this reference and posts its meaning first.

336 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 27, 2015 9:59:54am

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

Ask a Jew or read a good English copy of the Tanakh. I can’t speak for the Christian sequel but I’m pretty sure Jesus didn’t even mention gayness.

Leviticus says no male gay sex (but I don’t think it covers lesbian sex), in the midst of a long list of ways you should not use your genitals, mostly against incest and sex with animals. Later it mentions in passing that male gay sex is a death penalty offence. Then again, this is a strict priestly tradition that told stories of killing a man for gathering sticks on the sabbath day, and Christianity of course has all kinds of conflicting takes on applicability of “old law”. FYI Jesus was far from the first or the last Jew to ever argue about Jewish law and its interpretations.

“Biblical Times”, by the way, is a span of about five thousand years or more, stretching across most of the Middle East and covering everything from the stories of hill tribes of Kurdish territory, Egypt, Babylon, up through “modern” philosophically Greco-Persian practices, and a smattering of pseudo-Jewish cults. Empires literally rose and fell a dozen times in the span of time covered by these stories. Some of them were a couple of thousand years old already in Jesus’s time. Think that culture has changed a few times since then? Food for thought…

337 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 10:00:29am

We have few politicians, sadly, who will stand up in public and expound and why we in the 21st century have to reject some older beliefs, which are now out of date and hinder more than help.

All politicians in America have to be elected so of course I realize they want to try and not offend too many people. In a sense, a political campaign is like a singles date-night, where people flitter from one to another looking for love, trying to make the right impression (truth be damned.)

There is no way around the obvious in regards to gay marriage: the Biblical damnation of homosexuality is now out of date.

There are people who work real, real, real hard to try and show that the Bible is not anti-homosexual, but I think these people are trying too hard. And they do so because they don’t want to come to the obvious conclusion, which is this:

Some parts of the Bible are just wrong and out of date.

338 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:00:49am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

en.wikipedia.org

339 sagehen  Jun 27, 2015 10:04:00am

re: #324 Nyet

Literalism as a separate “phenomenon” - no. It was simply how people read the Bible - literally. Noah’s flood, Adam living ~ 900 years, etc. - people did not doubt this for the lack of counter-evidence. Hence lack of a “literalist movement”, simply because almost everyone was a literalist by default.

No. Not.

Genesis chapter 1 is a creation narrative that starts from nothing, goes through various steps to end up with people.

Genesis chapter 2 loops back to the beginning, does another creation narrative that starts from nothing and goes through various steps to end up with people.

But the narratives aren’t the same — things are done in different order, God uses different methods, they’re mutually contradictory stories. Big honking clue right there in the very beginning of the book that it’s not be taken literally.

340 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:05:30am

re: #336 Pawn of the Oppressor

Interestingly, later rabbis, like Maimonides, added a prohibition against lesbian sex too.

chabad.org

Lesbian relations are forbidden. This is “the conduct of Egypt” which we were warned against, as [Leviticus 18:3] states: “Do not follow the conduct of Egypt.” Our Sages said:22 What would they do? A man would marry a man, a woman would marry a woman, and a woman would marry two men.

Although this conduct is forbidden,23 lashes are not given for it, for it is not a specific prohibition24 and there is no intercourse at all. Therefore such women are not forbidden to marry into the priesthood as zonot, nor does a woman become prohibited to her husband because of this,25 for this is not considered harlotry. It is, however, appropriate to give them stripes for rebellious conduct26 because they performed a transgression. A man should take precautions with his wife with regard to this matter and should prevent women who are known to engage in such practices from visiting her and her from visiting them.

341 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:06:52am

re: #339 sagehen

That there are biblical contradictions never stopped people from taking the Bible literally.

342 Belafon  Jun 27, 2015 10:09:28am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

We’re going to celebrate this because some people got to do something that they couldn’t otherwise.

Name any day you celebrate and I could find something to mourn. So we’ll celebrate what we can.

343 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:09:42am

re: #337 freetoken

There is no way around the obvious in regards to gay marriage: the Biblical damnation of homosexuality is now out of date.

There are people who work real, real, real hard to try and show that the Bible is not anti-homosexual, but I think these people are trying too hard. And they do so because they don’t want to come to the obvious conclusion, which is this:

Some parts of the Bible are just wrong and out of date.

Yep. All those “they’re just prohibitions against temple prostitution” fantasies are the reverse side of the fundie apologetical coin. They find currency in some liberal religious circles tho.

344 prairiefire  Jun 27, 2015 10:10:24am

re: #61 b_sharp

You Americans are some weird ass motherfuckers. Same sex marriage and universal healthcare sure didn’t take that much effort up here and when we got it we didn’t celebrate anywhere near as much.

It’s like you fight to not poke yourselves in the eye with a stick and then weep tears of joy when you finally drop the stick.

Good on ya.

You sure the fuck aren’t boring.

{{{b_sharp}}}

345 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2015 10:14:57am

re: #338 Nyet

en.wikipedia.org

Correct.

346 electrotek  Jun 27, 2015 10:15:01am

Check-mate!

347 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 27, 2015 10:18:23am

I posted this on my FB page:

As somebody who maybe 5 years ago wasn’t staunchly against gay marriage, but accepted that maybe they should be allowed domestic partnerships, or believed that possibly it would be better for kids to be in traditional marriages, I was not really for it… I’m glad I changed. People can learn and opinions can be changed. After pressure and challenge from peers I challenged myself to really think through what if any issues I had with gay marriage or why it would be good or bad for society. I came up with nothing. Nothing wrong. In fact, I realized society is better off encouraging all people to enter into contracts and agreements founded on love and mutual benefit. Yesterday was a great day for our country and the buzz hasn’t worn off yet. Still work to be done, but yesterday was a really big deal.

I was never really against gay marriage, but was never really for it either. I had that privilege not being gay or having gay family or friends. But on an issue like that I think you have to choose, so I had to work it out… in a large part it was worked out here on LGF. At one point I remember discussing gays in military service and thinking they should be able to serve to some degree but controlled in others… then military brass came out and said ‘we got this, gays will serve.’ And that’s when I really chose a side and worked my shit out.

My biggest regret was letting the nattering naybobs of negativity get a little play in my head. Not that I was against gayness on a religious/sin level, but wasn’t ‘for’ gay people or an ally. I was intellectually lazy. You’re either for justice and equality or you are not for justice and equality. I felt like I had to choose and could find absolutely nothing wrong with gayness, gay parenting… nothing. I chose to be on the side of justice and equality.

Yesterday the world became a little better place and it feels really good.

348 Jenner7  Jun 27, 2015 10:20:32am

Thank you Brittany Newsome. You are a courageous woman. And thank you to those that helped her.

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:21:36am

heh…

350 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:24:26am

The gospel Jesus, for one, was a biblical literalist. He believed in the special creation:

Mark 10:6-9New International Version (NIV)

6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

and the global flood:

Matthew 24:37-39New International Version (NIV)

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

What the real Jesus (if he existed) believed is of course a mystery, but he would probably take the Bible literally too.

351 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 27, 2015 10:25:05am

Reading some of the “thoughts” of GOP presidential dandidates and other leaders, the GOP is the Party of “Nuh-uh!”.

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:25:58am
353 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 10:27:22am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF was that ‘colored powder’ made from? Ammonium nitrate?!

Damn.

354 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 10:29:21am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

WSFA 12 News ✔@wsfa12news

Rally held at Alabama Capitol to protest removal of Confederate flags. shout.lt

12:11 PM - 27 Jun 2015

Where are all the African Americans that would want to keep the flag up as part of their southern heritage and not because of racism???

Maybe I am missing seeing them in that image. Anyone?

I bet some African Americans have more Alabama heritage/history than some of those pictured.

Hmmm. They probably are not wanting to celebrate all that or something. I wonder why?

355 Belafon  Jun 27, 2015 10:31:37am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

WTF was that ‘colored powder’ made from? Ammonium nitrate?!

Damn.

Flour is explosive if sprayed into the air and comes into contact with a spark.

356 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 10:32:14am

re: #355 Belafon

Flour is explosive if sprayed into the air and comes into contact with a spark.

Yep.

357 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 10:32:51am

re: #266 thedopefishlives

Travis? In what way are you unequal to every one else in the country?

And no, the fact that as a white male you are no longer solely in charge doesn’t count.

358 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 10:33:09am
359 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:34:20am
360 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 10:35:07am

re: #355 Belafon

Flour is explosive if sprayed into the air and comes into contact with a spark.

Diesel engines have been modified to work on oatmeal and sawdust. Of course, that was back in the days of pneumatic injection.

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:35:25am
362 Jenner7  Jun 27, 2015 10:37:36am
363 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 10:38:21am
364 Jenner7  Jun 27, 2015 10:39:03am
365 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 10:42:16am

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #303 ObserverArt

Just go with your feelings. That is what true spirituality really is. Part of the Christian thinking is God sends out messages. You are already getting yours. Accept your reality and just go with being a good person.

I’m an agnostic but I’m pretty sure that God (Allah to Zeus, take your pick) is an existentialist.

God doesn’t care what what a person believes. God cares about how a person acts!

366 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 10:43:25am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

So did crazy Pastor guy set himself on fire yet?

No. He’s never been comfortable with the whole flint/spark thing. It’s too modern and so he can never get it to work.

367 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 10:45:22am

Looks like God may be talking to The Donald™ today.

368 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:45:48am

re: #365 Romantic Heretic

God doesn’t care what what a person believes. God cares about how a person acts!

The trick is to know what is acting in accordance with God’s wishes. Let’s just hope she doesn’t want human sacrifice or something like that.

369 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:46:05am

re: #367 ObserverArt

Looks like God may be talking to The DonaldTM today.

370 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2015 10:47:43am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Two quick thoughts:

1. The Donald had best hope the FDNY finds his building had been kept up to code or he could find his presidential hopes going up in smoke.

2. I hope, though, that this wasn’t arson. If it was, that might generate a fair bit of undeserved sympathy for Trump, not to mention the annoying YERPs of brain-dead extremists screaming “REICHTAG FIRE!!1”.

371 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:49:03am
372 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 10:50:20am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Two quick thoughts:

1. The Donald had best hope the FDNY finds his building had been kept up to code or he could find his presidential hopes going up in smoke.

2. I hope, though, that this wasn’t arson. If it was, that might generate a fair bit of undeserved sympathy for Trump, not to mention the annoying YERPs of brain-dead extremists screaming “REICHTAG FIRE!!1”.

How much you care to bet it won’t be long before it’ll be all about ILLEAGLE MESSICANS!!?

I’m not a betting man myself, but I’d say there’s good odds that’ll come up pretty damn soon.

373 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 10:51:35am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I don’t believe in omens, but if I did—man!

374 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 10:51:45am

Steve Pearce hates Prairie Chickens, too.

375 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2015 10:52:10am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

That tweet got deleted, and properly so. Anyone who wants to call this week ‘just’ from God’s perspective deserves a (online) pounding. Maybe it was in the US, but not in Tunisia, not in Syria to be sure.

And even setting that aside, this fire can hardly be said to be just to the person it has actually hurt. The poster of the tweet was made aware of this and pulled it.

376 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:53:01am

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

That tweet got deleted, and properly so. Anyone who wants to call this week ‘just’ from God’s perspective deserves a (online) pounding. Maybe it was in the US, but not in Tunisia, not in Syria to be sure.

And even setting that aside, this fire can hardly be said to be just to the person it has actually hurt. The poster of the tweet was made aware of this and pulled it.

That account deletes tweets very often.

377 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 10:53:26am
378 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2015 10:54:44am

re: #374 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Steve Pearce hates Prairie Chickens, too.

Wolves do cause economic losses to farmers and ranchers, and either the government must have plans in place to reduce such losses and compensate for those that occur, or the wolf reintroductions should not happen.

379 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 10:56:30am

re: #368 Nyet

The trick is to know what is acting in accordance with God’s wishes. Let’s just hope she doesn’t want human sacrifice or something like that.

I could, of course be wrong, but this is the closest I’ve heard to God’s wishes.

380 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 10:58:20am

re: #379 Romantic Heretic

I could, of course be wrong, but this is the closest I’ve heard to God’s wishes.

[Embedded content]

Video

To the God you wished existed. Who’s to say God is not evil by our standards?

381 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 10:58:26am

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

Wolves do cause economic losses to farmers and ranchers, and either the government must have plans in place to reduce such losses and compensate for those that occur, or the wolf reintroductions should not happen.

Ranchers are compensated when there is evidence of wolf predation. The grazing is happening on federal leases and should be brought to an end. Some ranchers support the wolves, but many do not.

382 blueraven  Jun 27, 2015 10:59:24am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

That account deletes tweets very often.

Yes he does and this one needed to be. What was he thinking?
At least one person was injured.
Nobody should be celebrating a burning building (with people in it).

383 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 10:59:47am

Regarding the Greek crisis, this photo of German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble pretty much says it all:

Aufwiedersehen, Greichenland.
384 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 11:00:36am

re: #380 Nyet

To the God you wished existed. Who’s to say God is not evil by our standards?

Not me. I can never know this side of death, if at all.

385 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2015 11:01:27am

re: #381 wrenchwench

Ranchers are compensated when there is evidence of wolf predation. The grazing is happening on federal leases and should be brought to an end. Some ranchers support the wolves, but many do not.

I disagree in this case. Keep the ranches and don’t allow more wolves. Ranchers pay taxes, wolves don’t and the country needs money. Normally I’d not say this, since I tend to favor nature, but this time I think the local and monetary interests should win the day.

BBL

386 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 11:03:54am

re: #379 Romantic Heretic

I could, of course be wrong, but this is the closest I’ve heard to God’s wishes.

[Embedded content]

Video

The Sufis have wahdat ul wajood: en.wikipedia.org

387 Eventual Carrion  Jun 27, 2015 11:04:11am

re: #177 Nyet

So Jindal proposed getting rid of the SCOTUS.

Yeah, to preserve the constitution. Weird huh?

388 Teukka  Jun 27, 2015 11:05:02am

re: #387 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, to preserve the constitution. Weird huh?

Isn’t the separation of powers set down in the constitution?

389 calochortus  Jun 27, 2015 11:09:07am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

I disagree in this case. Keep the ranches and don’t allow more wolves. Ranchers pay taxes, wolves don’t and the country needs money. Normally I’d not say this, since I tend to favor nature, but this time I think the local and monetary interests should win the day.

BBL

You might want to Google “environmental impact of wolves” or something along those lines. In brief: Lack of predators allows deer and elk to seriously degrade the environment around streams by over-browsing. It’s bad for streams, bad for fish and that means fewer fish are predated and their remains aren’t carried into the forest to fertilize the land. Unintended consequence : degradation of the ecosystem ensues.

390 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 11:09:13am

re: #387 Eventual Carrion

Jindal is racing with Cruz and Trump to be the biggest demagogue in the car.

391 Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2015 11:09:18am

Wow - these three tweets really took off.

392 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 11:10:11am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

Wow - these three tweets really took off.

[Embedded content]

It’s typical right wing hypocrisy regarding individual rights and liberty.

393 piratedan  Jun 27, 2015 11:13:19am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

Charles,

If the ghey and the blacks have to be treated as just regular people, then who in the hell are the White Christian Theologians going to feel superior to? After all, isn’t it written down somewhere that they have to be superior to somebody, isn’t it?

/////////////////////////////////////

394 blueraven  Jun 27, 2015 11:15:39am

GOP 2016: getting crazier by the day.

395 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 11:16:14am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

But but but teleology! And axiology! And ontology! And anatomy! Oh, I mean antimony. Drats, that’s antinomy!

396 makeitstop  Jun 27, 2015 11:18:37am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

WTF was that ‘colored powder’ made from? Ammonium nitrate?!

Damn.

Even flour will combust if airborne.

397 Belafon  Jun 27, 2015 11:20:24am

re: #396 makeitstop

Even flour will combust if airborne.

That sounds familiar. :)

398 Eventual Carrion  Jun 27, 2015 11:20:25am

re: #299 sagehen

um… this is where I remind everyone that the California state legislature passed marriage equality twice, in 2005 and 2007. Schwarzenegger vetoed it both times.

Maybe his wife has finally given him his balls back?

399 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 27, 2015 11:21:16am

There’s a story on Mediaite about an ISIS flag at a LGBT parade (in London).

I tweeted it to Bryan The Fischer LOL.

400 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 11:21:50am
401 makeitstop  Jun 27, 2015 11:22:23am

re: #397 Belafon

That sounds familiar. :)

Late to the party, sorry. :)

402 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 11:23:19am

re: #399 JadeHelmCurious

Apparently a pseudo-flag.

403 makeitstop  Jun 27, 2015 11:23:56am

re: #402 Nyet

Apparently a pseudo-flag.

Or a false flag.

/alexjones

404 Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2015 11:25:36am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

Regarding the Greek crisis, this photo of German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble pretty much says it all:

[Embedded content]

He seems nice.

405 Nyet  Jun 27, 2015 11:27:24am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

Aufwiedersehen, Greichenland.

Right into Putin’s arms, I suppose.

406 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 11:28:56am

Greece on the brink of default after negotiations break down

If on Tuesday Greece does default, I don’t know how apocalyptic it will be.

But I do know that economics plays a big part in American elections, and if a financial crisis erupts then our election will reflect that.

407 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 11:29:31am

I wrote an email to Ted Cruz this morning and said if after 226 years of the Supreme Court operating just as it always has and you don’t like it you are free to leave the country. I mentioned in fact his leaving this country might not be a bad thing and most likely even those politicians in his own party would probably endorse it.

I really hate the guy, more than any politician in my entire 40+ years of voting and following politics.

408 electrotek  Jun 27, 2015 11:30:08am

Uh yeah, another false equivalence.

409 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 11:33:36am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

I disagree in this case. Keep the ranches and don’t allow more wolves. Ranchers pay taxes, wolves don’t and the country needs money. Normally I’d not say this, since I tend to favor nature, but this time I think the local and monetary interests should win the day.

BBL

Local interests involve way more than just ranchers. This environment is a really poor one for raising cattle; so bad that they only have cow-calf operations and send them elsewhere to reach adulthood. Ranchers also have loose dogs who breed on occasion with the wolves. All those offspring must be killed. It is in nobody’s interest to subsidize the Cliven Bundy types. of which we have a few.

410 CarolJ  Jun 27, 2015 11:34:58am

re: #394 blueraven

Which is why it will never happen. Imagine what would happen if Supreme Court positions would be subject to this-with term limits and elections-you could have 9 Democrats or 9 Republicans or constantly deadlocked decisions. Nobody wants that at all.

I love the takedowns of the Confederate flag. It’s way overdue. I mean, Jews don’t have to live with the swastika on state flags, license plates, et cetera. That fact has certainly lessened anti-semitism to a big degree. Why should black people have to endure the Confederate flag for the “heritage”? Why should we be a good sport about this symbol?

It’s also pretty enlightening to find out how ubiquitous this symbol is and how gratuitous as well. A Robert E Lee school in California?

A Confederate flag symbol in the windows of the National Cathedral? Why were Northerners so abject about giving the South a fake “Reconciliation” that left the former slaves high and dry, and Confederate wrong-doing hiwt washed? Were they afraid that if they didn’t pratctically lionize Lee and the Confederate leaders that there would be another Civil War afterwards?

That brings me to a pet peeve about Hollywood. Where’s the Northern equivalent to Gone with the Wind? How come we know more about General Lee thatn we do about General Grant-and by the way, where’s his movie? Where’s the northern equivalent of Scarlett, Rhett and the rest? We hear plenty about Confederate veteran organizations, but practically nothing about Union ones.

Along with taking down those flags, maybe it’s time for the North to tell its side of the story. We won after all….

411 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 11:39:41am

re: #410 CarolJ

We hear plenty about Confederate veteran organizations, but practically nothing about Union ones.

The Grand Army of the Republic eventually died, and there was not, to the best of my knowledge, a fraternal organization for the offspring of such.

412 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 11:40:40am

There are local historical societies though that do feature Union vets and Union involvement.

413 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 11:43:02am

Still limping along, I guess:

en.wikipedia.org

414 allegro  Jun 27, 2015 11:44:01am

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

Wolves do cause economic losses to farmers and ranchers, and either the government must have plans in place to reduce such losses and compensate for those that occur, or the wolf reintroductions should not happen.

Wolves prevent far more losses to farmers than they cause to ranchers. When predators are eliminated rodents, rabbits and other small prey expand unchecked and cause serious crop loss.

415 stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2015 11:44:11am

re: #396 makeitstop

Even flour will combust if airborne.

There’s a whole museum in Minneapolis based on the combustion of flour.

416 Eventual Carrion  Jun 27, 2015 11:44:47am

re: #388 Teukka

Isn’t the separation of powers set down in the constitution?

Yep, that’s why it is weird.

417 freetoken  Jun 27, 2015 11:44:55am

I guess I’d qualify (on two counts) for the following:

Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War

418 allegro  Jun 27, 2015 11:46:16am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

I disagree in this case. Keep the ranches and don’t allow more wolves. Ranchers pay taxes, wolves don’t and the country needs money. Normally I’d not say this, since I tend to favor nature, but this time I think the local and monetary interests should win the day.

BBL

You are quite wrong.

419 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2015 11:48:59am

re: #418 allegro

You are quite wrong.

He’s wrong about what the local and monetary interests are, in the long term. The interests he’s defending are not sustainable.

420 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 11:51:13am

re: #417 freetoken

I guess I’d qualify (on two counts) for the following:

Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War

I qualify too. My aunt has my GG Pa’s discharge papers somewhere I hope.

421 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 11:52:59am

re: #406 freetoken

Greece on the brink of default after negotiations break down

If on Tuesday Greece does default, I don’t know how apocalyptic it will be.

But I do know that economics plays a big part in American elections, and if a financial crisis erupts then our election will reflect that.

The issue is, there’s actually no mechanism to expel an EU member state from either the EMU or the EU itself. We here in Europe really would be in uncharted waters at that point.

Once you’re in - you’re in. Sorta like Cosa Nostra, I guess. :D

422 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 27, 2015 11:55:10am

New page:
We Found a REAL Texas Segregationist You Can Denounce

This article, from a conservative source no less, is about none other than Thomas S. Lubbock, the Confederate bushwhacker and pro-slavery enthusiast for whom the city of Lubbock and Lubbock County are named. Tom Lubbock was a notable racist even among the southern “gentlemen” of the time. He went to Virginia in 1861 to organize a band of pro-Confederate guerrillas but died of typhus before he really got started. He might well have been worse than Nathan Bedford Forrest if he had survived, since he had a proven devotion to slavery as a cause in and of itself, while Forrest was more a simple brute and profiteer.

423 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 11:58:25am

re: #422 Shiplord Kirel

New page:
We Found a REAL Texas Segregationist You Can Denounce

This article, from a conservative source no less, is about none other than Thomas S. Lubbock, the Confederate bushwhacker and pro-slavery enthusiast for whom the city of Lubbock and Lubbock County are named. Tom Lubbock was a notable racist even among the southern “gentlemen” of the time. He went to Virginia in 1861 to organize a band of pro-Confederate guerrillas but died of typhus before he really got started. He might well have been worse than Nathan Bedford Forrest if he had survived, since he had a proven devotion to slavery as a cause in and of itself, while Forrest was more a simple brute and profiteer.

Awww…you’re just making that up. Haven’t you heard no one was devoted to slavery, especially in and of itself.

/

424 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 11:58:51am

re: #404 Charles Johnson

He seems nice.

Heh.

He’s a long-time fixture in German politics. He’s in a wheelchair as a result of an assassination attempt back in 1990.

He certainly seems like someone I wouldn’t care to trifle with. :)

425 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 11:59:25am

re: #422 Shiplord Kirel

New page:
We Found a REAL Texas Segregationist You Can Denounce

This article, from a conservative source no less, is about none other than Thomas S. Lubbock, the Confederate bushwhacker and pro-slavery enthusiast for whom the city of Lubbock and Lubbock County are named. Tom Lubbock was a notable racist even among the southern “gentlemen” of the time. He went to Virginia in 1861 to organize a band of pro-Confederate guerrillas but died of typhus before he really got started. He might well have been worse than Nathan Bedford Forrest if he had survived, since he had a proven devotion to slavery as a cause in and of itself, while Forrest was more a simple brute and profiteer.

Someone worse than Forrest-wow

426 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 12:02:16pm

re: #424 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

He’s a long-time fixture in German politics. He’s in a wheelchair as a result of an assassination nation back in 1990.

He certainly seems like someone I wouldn’t care to trifle with. :)

I keep on thinking of the old Simpsons episode with the new German power plant owners and they send the older German who resembles Sgt. Schultz slightly as a means of lessening employees concerns. “we will start with employees by last name and then first? Simpson, Homer that is all.”

427 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 12:02:16pm

Wolfgang Schäuble just had his own little press conference:

Germany’s Wolfgang Schauble has been giving his own press conference — and claimed that Greece is likely to get into a “difficult situation” in the days ahead.

Reuters has snapped the key points:

- GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS THE GREEK REFUSAL TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS SURPRISED EVERYBODY
- GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS THE REFERENDUM ANNOUNCED AT SHORT NOTICED WON’T SOLVE PROBLEMS
-GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS IT IS PROBABLE THAT GREECE WILL GET INTO DIFFICULT SITUATION IN COMING DAYS
-GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS “WE WILL DO EVERYTHING TO FIGHT ANY POSSIBLE CONTAGION”
-GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS GREECE REMAINS PART OF EURO ZONE AND PART OF EUROPE, WILL DO EVERYTHING WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP GREECE IN DIFFICULT SITUATION

428 PhillyPretzel  Jun 27, 2015 12:04:44pm

re: #427 Dr Lizardo

Lets hope that they help each other instead of finger-pointing at each other.

429 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2015 12:06:27pm

More Schäuble:

That gets to my earlier point - there are no rules for what to do in a situation like Greece is facing (e.g., default). I can only presume that when the EMU was created, that was such an unthinkable possibility that no one ever thought to ask how it would be handled.

430 sagehen  Jun 27, 2015 12:35:14pm

re: #414 allegro

Wolves prevent far more losses to farmers than they cause to ranchers. When predators are eliminated rodents, rabbits and other small prey expand unchecked and cause serious crop loss.

Large prey, too.

There’s not enough wolves to kill all the deer that need killing, that’s why we issue hunting licenses and hope people will shoot five million of them every year (or in the case of Rock Creek Park, where they couldn’t risk letting random civilians shoot high-powered rifles in a somewhat populated area, the city had to hire snipers to cull the herd)…

But when we let deer breed as they will, they eat all the underbrush and damage forests, they spill out into eating farms and gardens, they get on the highway and cause wrecks…

431 Jebediah, RBG  Jun 27, 2015 1:10:34pm

Apologies if this has already been posted, ( I haven’t gotten to the end of the thread yet) but my brother-in-law just showed this to me and it made me tear up a little.
A letter from a Dad to his afraid gay son


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