Trump Is Still Boasting About Meaningless Online Polls, Even After Proof the Polls Were Spammed

Con artist continues selling snake oil to gullible right wingers
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As if we needed any more evidence that Donald Trump is running a massive con game on the American public, today he’s continuing to hype those bogus online polls that anyone can vote in — and Fox News is, of course, helping him run the scam.

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The Daily Dot has found proof these polls were being deliberately manipulated by Trump’s “alt-right” disciples: 4chan and Reddit Manipulated Online Polls to Declare Trump the Debate Winner.

Donald Trump supporters artificially manipulated the results of online polls to create a false narrative that the Republican nominee won the first presidential debate on Monday night.

The efforts originated from users of the pro-Trump Reddit community r/The_Donald and 4chan message boards, which bombarded around 70 polls, including those launched by Time, Fortune, and CNBC. 

It wasn’t hard to discover; they were posting their schemes and instructions on gaming the polls right out in public. The Daily Dot posted this screenshot showing the denizens of 4chan urging each other to use a web browser’s “incognito mode” to vote repeatedly for Trump.

And here’s a very interesting direct convergence between Trump’s boasting and the alt-right racists of 4chan:

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UPDATE at 9/28/16 2:02:46 pm by Charles Johnson

And now we have a real scientific poll to report:

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:32:42am
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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:34:37am

Related:

Fox News honchos telling the on-air talent to stop using online polls as proof of anything.

These clickbait polls aren’t proof of anything other than the ability of someone determined to spam the poll with meaningless “votes” so someone like Trump can tout them and undermine the legitimacy of actual polls conducted under more controlled circumstances - the polling done by PPP, Monmouth, Zogby, Rasmussen, AP, IPSOS, etc., which you can debate their leanings, but all do carry out polling based on criteria and calls to those they’ve randomly selected.

Online polls are self selecting, and Trump’s decided that these are all the proof he needs. Fox talking heads obliged his nonsense too, even though they aren’t worth the pixels.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:35:49am

I’m honestly fine with him doing this since it suggests to me that he’ll act the same way at future debates. People know who won the debate on Monday and it wasn’t Trump.

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:36:32am

re: #1 Jenner7

Getting that sick to my stomach feeling.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:38:02am

re: #1 Jenner7

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:38:33am

Epic trolling of Curt Schilling on Twitter:

thebiglead.com

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:38:43am

There is live feed. Some cops on the roof. I’ve seen two kids leave with a parent. Not sure what’s going on.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:40:03am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:41:23am

re: #7 Jenner7

There is live feed. Some cops on the roof. I’ve seen two kids leave with a parent. Not sure what’s going on.

that live feed with the reporter fidgeting around is pretty weird.

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Kragar  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:42:55am
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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:43:37am

1 suspect in custody, some injuries.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:44:27am

re: #10 Kragar

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:45:27am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I for one look forward to seeing President Paul with President Trump during the swearing in .//

Will President Paul willingly turn over power to President-Elect Trump, though? That is the question.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:46:56am

nymag re Machado:

But what truly made the set piece work was Trump’s response, which Clinton could not have scripted better if she tried. Unlike the previous allegations, he did not deny them, but instead burst out — three times! — “Where did you find this?” I have seen villains in Disney movies presented with damning evidence react this way, but I have never seen an actual human being do it, until now.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:48:17am

re: #14 dangerman

nymag re Machado:

Trump: Cut, cut, cut. Cut her mic, cut her mic! Can she bring this up? This isn’t fair. Are we still live? You’re Fired!!!!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:49:19am

re: #14 dangerman

nymag re Machado:

And he would have gotten away with if it wasn’t for those kids and that dog!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:49:59am

re: #8 Jenner7

So there was discussion earlier about how people were glad their kids didn’t have to have discussions about what to do in the case of a nuclear bomb.

Which is good, I’m glad.

I look forward to when we don’t have to have discussions about how to respond to school shootings either.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:50:21am

re: #14 dangerman

nymag re Machado:

She did that beautifully. They didn’t even mention that he then went into a weird rant about Rosie O’Donnell and how she deserved his nasty bullshit too. Clinton did a beautiful job exposing Donald for the ugly, little man he is.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:50:55am
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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:51:05am

also nymag/ chait via politicalwire.com
republicans in denial

If you’re a Republican who has been clinging to the wan hope that Donald Trump might somehow, in his eighth decade on Earth, develop into a plausibly competent president of the United States, the first debate should have been your moment to abandon ship. Trump displayed the factual command of a small child, the emotional stability of a hormonal teen, and the stamina of an old man, staggering and losing the thread as the 90 minutes wore on.”

“Instead, Republicans — without a single exception I have seen — have responded very differently. They have treated their candidate’s glaring unsuitability for high office as, at worst, a handful of discrete errors that in no way reflect on his character, and at best, the dastardly unfairness of the liberal media.“

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gocart mozart  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:51:22am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:51:41am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:52:27am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:52:44am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

She did that beautifully. They didn’t even mention that he then went into a weird rant about Rosie O’Donnell and how she deserved his nasty bullshit too. Clinton did a beautiful job exposing Donald for the ugly, little man he is.

and he wont let it go….

i wonder if clintons camp actually figured that in. just plant the seed and let him run with it for days…

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Kragar  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:52:53am
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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:53:01am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I believe that “trend line” down turn is caused by a single poll, yes?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:53:31am

re: #24 dangerman

and he wont let it go….

i wonder if clintons camp actually figured that in. just plant the seed and let him run with it for days…

This isn’t Team Clinton’s first rodeo.

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lockjawcanbefun  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:54:17am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I hope that after the ceremony, there is a special screening of the highest-grossing movie ever, Snakes on a Plane.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:54:36am

re: #25 Kragar

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really eric? which one?
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the silent one  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:55:25am

I cannot wait to see this racist jackass crash and burn come election day, if only to see the humiliation of this man child and his deplorables.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:56:11am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:56:54am

Nate Silver’s NowCast has Hillary back up to 60%.

No, I am not a poll addict. No, I do not have a problem.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:57:00am
“Con artist continues selling snake oil to gullible right wingers”

Y’know, honestly I think this is a byproduct of Trump’s need to sell the narrative to himself. He can’t accept that he lost, despite mounting evidence in the scientific polls and new election poll shifting. I’m sure his campaign’s internal polls also told him he lost decisively, but the more he’s told this the more he tries to reassure himself psychologically.

The good news is this helps feed into the real problem, his reluctance to prepare. There’s an article in the NYT that quotes a bunch of his advisors and staff members off the record, the gist being they have tentative plans to do much more prep for the next debate but nobody in his camp seems all that confident that Trump can be convinced to take things seriously.

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Kragar  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:59:22am
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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:00:09pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

nobody in his camp seems all that confident that Trump can be convinced to take things seriously

as i said in the last thread, they are (ostensibly) trying get this main elected *president*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:00:18pm

re: #26 freetoken

I believe that “trend line” down turn is caused by a single poll, yes?

Yeah, although there are two others that dropped in the last 24 hours that show Clinton leading by 3-5pts as well.

TPM’s Poll Tracker allows you to filter out individual polls and redraw. Deleting Rasmussen is instructive.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:01:12pm

CNN is apparently doing a Town Hall with Obama tonight, something about a Commander in Chief thing.

Have wingnuts gone all splodey heads over this yet?

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:01:13pm

2 students, 1 teacher injured. Suspect is teenager.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:01:51pm

Open Carry Activists Are Pissed At Pi Pizza
houston.eater.com

And they’re trying to tank the restaurant’s online reviews.
Today the folks in my office are enjoying a giant order of Pi pizza.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:01:54pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:02:55pm

re: #32 Sir John Barron

Nate Silver’s NowCast has Hillary back up to 60%.

No, I am not a poll addict. No, I do not have a problem.

Not a problem as long as I can get my supply.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:03:36pm

re: #32 Sir John Barron

Nate Silver’s NowCast has Hillary back up to 60%.

No, I am not a poll addict. No, I do not have a problem.

His bottom line thanks you.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:04:28pm

re: #39 jaunte

Open Carry Activists Are Pissed At Pi Pizza
houston.eater.com

And they’re trying to tank the restaurant’s online reviews.
Today the folks in my office are enjoying a giant order of Pi pizza.

yeah how dare a private business… and all that
although i’m all for their first amendment right to express their displeasure

actual democracy in action. love it

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:05:58pm

re: #39 jaunte

Open Carry Activists Are Pissed At Pi Pizza
houston.eater.com

And they’re trying to tank the restaurant’s online reviews.
Today the folks in my office are enjoying a giant order of Pi pizza.

If I could get them to deliver to Rockwall…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:06:45pm

re: #42 klys (maker of Silmarils)

His bottom line thanks you.

I NEED MY 538. In 40 days he can go back to handicapping curling.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:07:02pm

re: #31 jaunte

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Housekeeping whether for love or money is a grossly underappreciated job. As is garbage collection. It seems that the more basic something is to a safe, comfortable life, the less we respect it.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:07:06pm

re: #44 Belafon

Lee Ellis did, however, tell CultureMap that business was up “18% on Saturday and 40% on Sunday.”

Maybe they’ll expand their territory.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:08:10pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Y’know, honestly I think this is a byproduct of Trump’s need to sell the narrative to himself. He can’t accept that he lost, despite mounting evidence in the scientific polls and new election poll shifting. I’m sure his campaign’s internal polls also told him he lost decisively, but the more he’s told this the more he tries to reassure himself psychologically.

The good news is this helps feed into the real problem, his reluctance to prepare. There’s an article in the NYT that quotes a bunch of his advisors and staff members off the record, the gist being they have tentative plans to do much more prep for the next debate but nobody in his camp seems all that confident that Trump can be convinced to take things seriously.

The Times does a good job of conveying the frustration without getting catty about it. the part about Trump having no attention span for actual practice and Ailes filling in the time telling war stories and dealing with being fired for decades of systemic sexual harrassment is especially entertaining.

I believe Trump is not only a master of deception and distraction, as any good con man must be, but also a master of SELF-deception. I think he really does want to hold onto the belief that he didn’t do that badly. His ego won’t let him accept that he lost, so he blames the mic, blames Lester Holt, claims he was holding back, etc while still claiming he won.

Obama also didn’t take his first debate seriously in 2012. But he knew when it was done that he’d fucked up, he apologized to his aides and supporters, and he went to work.

Here’s the difference between Obama’s first debate in 2012 and Trump in 2016 - one of them is a grown up.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:09:34pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the difference between Obama’s first debate in 2012 and Trump in 2016 - one of them is a grown up.

The much younger one.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:04pm

re: #46 calochortus

Housekeeping whether for love or money is a grossly underappreciated job. As is garbage collection. It seems that the more basic something is to a safe, comfortable life, the less we respect it.

until there’s a strike….

(like air for scuba divers - you dont miss it till youre not getting any)

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:04pm
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:12pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Obama was more mature than Trump in 1962.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:37pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

The much younger one.

Growing up, he didn’t have the benefit of a rich daddy and the absence of a conscience.

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ipsos  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:39pm

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:47pm

re: #39 jaunte

Open Carry Activists Are Pissed At Pi Pizza
houston.eater.com

And they’re trying to tank the restaurant’s online reviews.
Today the folks in my office are enjoying a giant order of Pi pizza.

From the same site:

You Can Now Register To Vote At Several Houston Taco Trucks

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:10:54pm
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Isn’t “accused” a legal term? Not to split hairs, but not sure that is the word I would have gone with. Suspect? Suspected Shooter?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:12:05pm

re: #56 Franklin

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Isn’t “accused” a legal term? Not to split hairs, but not sure that is the word I would have gone with. Suspect? Suspected Shooter?

Well, he’s black, so I guess he is aware that for him, “suspected” and “accused” are synonyms to most people…

/semi

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:13:13pm

Apparently FOX News has never done a single segment on Hamilton

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:13:48pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the difference between Obama’s first debate in 2012 and Trump in 2016 - one of them is a grown up.

i will nuance this and say the difference is one has and uses the ability to learn
ok the two differences, and to not make the same mistake twice

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:14:33pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

The Times does a good job of conveying the frustration without getting catty about it. the part about Trump having no attention span for actual practice and Ailes filling in the time telling war stories and dealing with being fired for decades of systemic sexual harrassment is especially entertaining.

I believe Trump is not only a master of deception and distraction, as any good con man must be, but also a master of SELF-deception. I think he really does want to hold onto the belief that he didn’t do that badly. His ego won’t let him accept that he lost, so he blames the mic, blames Lester Holt, claims he was holding back, etc while still claiming he won.

Obama also didn’t take his first debate seriously in 2012. But he knew when it was done that he’d fucked up, he apologized to his aides and supporters, and he went to work.

Here’s the difference between Obama’s first debate in 2012 and Trump in 2016 - one of them is a grown up.

I don’t have enough experience with con men to know if self-deception is de riggeur within the vocation or not, but my gut suspects it definitely helps. Another way of looking at it is it’s probably hard to maintain a functioning conscience without the feedback mechanism that self awareness provides.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:14:49pm

re: #59 dangerman

i will nuance this and say the difference is one has and uses the ability to learn
ok the two differences, and to not make the same mistake twice

It is hard when you have a formula that has worked for you whole life and suddenly you are pressing the same buttons and things are just not happening the way you are used to…

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:14:54pm

re: #39 jaunte

Open Carry Activists Are Pissed At Pi Pizza
houston.eater.com

And they’re trying to tank the restaurant’s online reviews.
Today the folks in my office are enjoying a giant order of Pi pizza.

Waah fucking waah

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:14:58pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

Apparently FOX News has never done a single segment on Hamilton

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I’m assuming you mean the play? Of course not. It’s about an immigrant who was against slavery and for a strong central government and central bank.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:16:10pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

Apparently FOX News has never done a single segment on Hamilton

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The director-star is some liberal dude. Why would Faux cover that?

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:17:29pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:17:35pm

Well, I guess we can expect Cuba to sue the US government over the Bay of Pigs any day now

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:17:57pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

I don’t have enough experience with con men to know if self-deception is de riggeur within the vocation or not, but my gut suspects it definitely helps. Another way of looking at it is it’s probably hard to maintain a functioning conscience without the feedback mechanism that self awareness provides.

I worked for a guy who I wouldn’t really say was a con man, but he was a really good salesman, because in the moment when he was trying to sell an idea or project, he BELIEVED. Most of the time that I knew him, it amounted to conveying more confidence in a result than he really had reason to. Later on, I watched him lie outright, but with the same level of conviction.

That’s when I left.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:20:28pm
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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:20:41pm

From: jezebel.com

WYFF reports that the county coroner’s office is also heading to the scene of a death at a home about three miles from the school. Anderson County officials say the two incidents are related. The suspected shooter is reportedly a teenager. Two children and a teacher, a woman, were shot. Both children were life-flighted from the scene. The extent of their injuries are still not known.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:22:27pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

I worked for a guy who I wouldn’t really say was a con man, but he was a really good salesman, because in the moment when he was trying to sell an idea or project, he BELIEVED. Most of the time that I knew him, it amounted to conveying more confidence in a result than he really had reason to. Later on, I watched him lie outright, but with the same level of conviction.

That’s when I left.

copiers this week, cars the next, followed by kitchen appliances.
just give me the FABs and watch me close

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:23:46pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

I worked for a guy who I wouldn’t really say was a con man, but he was a really good salesman, because in the moment when he was trying to sell an idea or project, he BELIEVED. Most of the time that I knew him, it amounted to conveying more confidence in a result than he really had reason to. Later on, I watched him lie outright, but with the same level of conviction.

That’s when I left.

Yeah, one thing I’ve noticed and mentioned before is this:

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It’s something I learned as a young child and quickly realized had incredibly dangerous implications. Some people it seems either never grow up, or they come to the opposite conclusion, that the ability to corrupt their own reactions and reflexive thoughts is cool.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:24:52pm

re: #46 calochortus

Housekeeping whether for love or money is a grossly underappreciated job. As is garbage collection. It seems that the more basic something is to a safe, comfortable life, the less we respect it.

And from what I have seen, garbage collectors have a more dangerous job than police as far as fatalities.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:25:09pm

Rush once again has proven that conservatives are indeed low-information voters:

Rush Limbaugh Urges Listeners Not To “Fall For” Fact-Checks

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:25:21pm

Trump Gets Big Boost From Fake Newspaper

you all seen this?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:25:53pm

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Rush once again has proven that conservatives are indeed low-information voters:

Rush Limbaugh Urges Listeners Not To “Fall For” Fact-Checks

The only fact checks you need you can get at Fox News or Rush’s show.

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nines09  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:27:35pm

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:27:37pm

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Rush once again has proven that conservatives are indeed low-information voters:

Rush Limbaugh Urges Listeners Not To “Fall For” Fact-Checks

how dare you use full unedited video clips of me talking

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:28:14pm

LOL

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:30:08pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

And, I propose, that is why religions can survive as continuous belief systems. The more one tells oneself something is true, the less the ability/willingness to change that.

It takes an external event that is quite significant to make one question what we tell ourselves.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:32:00pm
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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:32:10pm

re: #79 freetoken

And, I propose, that is why religions can survive as continuous belief systems. The more one tells oneself something is true, the less the ability/willingness to change that.

It takes an external event that is quite significant to make one question what we tell ourselves.

and without going too far afield
any religion worth it’s salt is organized as non-disprovable

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:34:34pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

I like it. Republicans are getting delusional about things that actually affect them (i.e., their polling and election strategy). Please proceed.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:35:00pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

Apparently FOX News has never done a single segment on Hamilton

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I should get 11ty million votes, because I’ve seen it and I’ve listened to the soundtrack about a zillion times. It figures Fox/Trump fans wouldn’t know anything about it, because it’s been so kept under wraps and hidden from the public so well.
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Kragar  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:35:27pm
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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:35:40pm
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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:36:43pm

re: #85 Jenner7

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:37:03pm

re: #85 Jenner7

They’re starting to dimly realize that the better everyone knows the Trump family, the worse the “brand” appears.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:39:17pm

re: #59 dangerman

i will nuance this and say the difference is one has and uses the ability to learn
ok the two differences, and to not make the same mistake twice

Perhaps I need to re-watch the first Obama/Romney debate. My recollection is that Romney gish galloped through it and Obama was caught a bit flat-footed.

And that he didn’t have his usual energy (wasn’t that debate at high altitude in Colorado?)
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I do not remember him being a giant asshole who knew nothing and said nothing but ridiculous crap like a certain yam did Monday night.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:39:50pm

From Chelsea on Trump’s threats to bring up Bill’s cheating (Daily Kos link):

Well, my reaction to that is just what my reaction has been kind of every time Trump has gone after my mom or my family, which is that it’s a distraction from his inability to talk about what’s actually at stake in this election and to offer concrete, comprehensive proposals about the economy, or our public school system, or debt-free college, or keeping our country safe and Americans safe here at home and around the world.

And candidly, I don’t remember a time in my life when my parents and my family weren’t being attacked, and so it just sort of seems to be in that tradition, unfortunately. And what I find most troubling by far are Trump’s — and we talked about this when you interviewed me the night before the Iowa caucus — are Trump’s continued, relentless attacks on whole swaths of our country and even our global community: women, Muslims, Americans with disabilities, a Gold Star family. I mean, that, to me, is far more troubling than whatever his most recent screed against my mom or my family [is].

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:40:09pm

re: #87 jaunte

They’re starting to dimly realize that the better everyone knows the Trump family, the worse the “brand” appears.

He was figuring on getting around 20 percent of the primary vote and boosting the grand through the free publicity. Then he got caught up in the rollercoaster ride and is now terribly out of his depth. That is clear to any objective observer, especially the handful of sane folks left in the GOP.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:40:53pm

re: #87 jaunte

They’re starting to dimly realize that the better everyone knows the Trump family, the worse the “brand” appears.

May the Trump kids have a lifetime of this to look forward to: “Oh, your dad was the smegma elemental that ran for POTUS in 2016 and lost big.”

That ought to be very helpful in their future business dealings.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:40:54pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

I don’t have enough experience with con men to know if self-deception is de riggeur within the vocation or not, but my gut suspects it definitely helps. Another way of looking at it is it’s probably hard to maintain a functioning conscience without the feedback mechanism that self awareness provides.

As I’ve said before, I was married to a malignant narcissist for a couple of years. They cannot abide losing or being wrong—ever, even for small things,1—it’s always someone else’s fault and usually ascribed to the other party’s bad character and/or own narcissism. Any criticisms or disagreements from family, friends, etc. are seen as are seen as treacherous disloyalty because they’re perceived as attempts to mortally injure.

Part of me feels a little bit sorry for them because the world has to be a frightening place filled with potential enemies that need to be constantly defended against. That pity usually evaporates pretty quickly though as they’re so obnoxious & overbearing.

1. Something as small as a missed (or late) phone call can trigger it. If someone said they’d call my ex at 2:00pm and didn’t do it, then by 2:15-2:30pm, he’d be pacing and starting to complain that the other person didn’t think his time was important. By 3:00pm the other person would be the devil incarnate, with no redeeming qualities. Everything is personal with them. Everything.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:41:06pm

re: #89 Belafon

From Chelsea on Trump’s threats to bring up Bill’s cheating (Daily Kos link):

Chelsea drops the mic.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:41:46pm

re: #85 Jenner7

source close to Trump tells @KatyTurNBC candidate’s children unhappy w/Bannon/Conway/Bossie leadership, think campaign is hurting business

Time for another open call for new campaign management.

(I haven’t lived a virtuous enough life to be rewarded with yet another campaign shake-up.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:43:03pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

As I’ve said before, I was married to a malignant narcissist for a couple of years. They cannot abide losing or being wrong—ever, even for small things,1—it’s always someone else’s fault and usually ascribed to the other party’s bad character and/or own narcissism. Any criticisms or disagreements from family, friends, etc. are seen as are seen as treacherous disloyalty because they’re perceived as attempts to mortally injure.

And will throw innocent bystanders to the dogs before they will take responsibility for their own mistakes. I lived with that for twelve years, too…

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:43:20pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, one thing I’ve noticed and mentioned before is this:

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It’s something I learned as a young child and quickly realized had incredibly dangerous implications. Some people it seems either never grow up, or they come to the opposite conclusion, that the ability to corrupt their own reactions and reflexive thoughts is cool.

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:43:51pm
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Poligeek  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:44:01pm

re: #94 makeitstop

Time for another open call for new campaign management.

(I haven’t lived a virtuous enough life to be rewarded with yet another campaign shake-up.)

Never underestimate the virtuosity of your life.. nor the stupidity of the Trump campaign machine :)

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:45:42pm

There is an impressive new app called Prisma that basically turns pics into “art”. I’ve been playing around with it. Here are some interesting ones of Trump:

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:45:54pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:46:23pm

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:47:31pm

re: #96 BeachDem

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

Here’s a case where Republicans embrace the healing powers of ‘and’. Both ways of being fooled are essential parts of US conservatism.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:48:58pm

President Clinton will be attending the service for PM Peres in Israel. Don’t know if HRC is going.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:50:15pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

President Clinton will be attending the service for PM Peres in Israel. Don’t know if HRC is going.

Don’t think so.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:51:08pm

re: #84 Kragar

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So is he suggesting that Hillary is the 400 pound hacker doing CYBER stuff?
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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:54:29pm

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And will throw innocent bystanders to the dogs before they will take responsibility for their own mistakes. I lived with that for twelve years, too…

Twelve years, huh? I only lasted 2.5 years. Never again.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:55:45pm

re: #89 Belafon

From Chelsea on Trump’s threats to bring up Bill’s cheating (Daily Kos link):

She IS her mother’s/father’s daughter.

But, but Ivanka knew how to strong arm the help into buying lemonade, and gives advice on how to make it as an unpaid intern and…

It’s not even that the Ivanka tales are horrible in and of themselves, but that she thinks they’re charming little stories to share.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:57:17pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Much more basically, the Trump brand is about a kind of showy luxuriousness that’s supposed to communicate that Trump is doing people a favor by bestowing them with “good” things that he’s selected with his savvy and competence. It’s just a variation of what all branded merchandise does—look at, say, Martha Stewart—but the Trump brand is all about an especially precarious sense of Bourdieu-esque distinction and quality that’s tied with the image of Trump as rogue billionaire.

Donald Trump, getting constant exposure, is no longer mysterious, nor able to fully manage his impressions. He isn’t classy anymore; he’s not even keeping up appearances as an 80s-style business shark. He looks bad, sounds ugly, and he’s not even pulling off a minimum level of poise. He’s an old dude in a shitty suit eating shitty food and saying shitty things. That hurts the brand.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:57:20pm

re: #107 BeachDem

She IS her mother’s/father’s daughter.

But, but Ivanka knew how to strong arm the help into buying lemonade, and gives advice on how to make it as an unpaid intern and…

It’s not even that the Ivanka tales are horrible in and of themselves, but that she thinks they’re charming little stories to share.

It’s one thing to have inexperience in the ways of the world, it’s another think to thing that you know everything because you’re a rich, upper-class twit.

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:57:43pm

re: #107 BeachDem

She IS her mother’s/father’s daughter.

But, but Ivanka knew how to strong arm the help into buying lemonade, and gives advice on how to make it as an unpaid intern and…

It’s not even that the Ivanka tales are horrible in and of themselves, but that she thinks they’re charming little stories to share.

Just like Romney’s dog story.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:57:55pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:59:44pm

re: #107 BeachDem

She IS her mother’s/father’s daughter.

But, but Ivanka knew how to strong arm the help into buying lemonade, and gives advice on how to make it as an unpaid intern and…

It’s not even that the Ivanka tales are horrible in and of themselves, but that she thinks they’re charming little stories to share.

She has been frequently compared to Veruca Salt from ‘Willy Wonka’.

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Interesting Times  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:00:36pm

re: #107 BeachDem

She IS her mother’s/father’s daughter.

But, but Ivanka knew how to strong arm the help into buying lemonade, and gives advice on how to make it as an unpaid intern and…

It’s not even that the Ivanka tales are horrible in and of themselves, but that she thinks they’re charming little stories to share.

I have to wonder how Chelsea and Ivanka were even “friends” in the first place. Seems as if they have nothing in common besides famous parents and living in NYC.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:01:18pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

Donald Trump, getting constant exposure, is no longer mysterious, nor able to fully manage his impressions. He isn’t classy anymore; he’s not even keeping up appearances as an 80s-style business shark. He looks bad, sounds ugly, and he’s not even pulling off a minimum level of poise. He’s an old dude in a shitty suit eating shitty food and saying shitty things. That hurts the brand.

This paragraph goes with the tatty lowrider I just saw with F*CK TRUMP scrawled across the trunk.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:01:51pm

Hello and greetings from Dallas! I have been here since Monday on a business trip to company HQ. Only had a half day today so I have spent most of my afternoon at Dealey Plaza and the Kennedy museum. No CCJ sightings today.

I HIGHLY recommend the museum. Pics coming later.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:02:59pm

re: #105 BeachDem

So is he suggesting that Hillary is the 400 pound hacker doing CYBER stuff?
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No, he’s saying Cheeto Jesus was defending his father. Naturally, that’s a lie.

“She knew that he would take the debate [sic] and defend his father. Why? Because he has character and she doesn’t. She’s a lowlife with no character, she has no character whatsoever.”

Trump did not in fact “defend his father,” who wasn’t even the subject of the remark, but instead falsely claimed that he had only received a “very small loan.”

rightwingwatch.org

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:03:13pm

re: #107 BeachDem

It’s not even that the Ivanka tales are horrible in and of themselves, but that she thinks they’re charming little stories to share.

Again, the psychopathy is almost congenital. Great grandpa was a frontier pimp, grandpa belonged to the KKK, Dad’s a sexist/racist conman. It rolls down through each generation like some kind of psychological hemophilia.

I mean yeah, I’m sure it has everything to do with nurture, not nature, but I couldn’t find a clever analogy for that.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:07:35pm

re: #113 Interesting Times

I have to wonder how Chelsea and Ivanka were even “friends” in the first place. Seems as if they have nothing in common besides famous parents and living in NYC.

It’s NYC, sometimes that’s all it takes. Half the economy there is generated by harvesting the static cling that results from nepotistic glad-handing.

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:07:58pm

Just thinking about Marchado and Trump’s panic-sounding 3 time query “how did you find out about that?” Did he really think his non-disclosure demands on employees (and volunteers) were going to protect him forever?

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:08:22pm

Trump’s gesture of not mentioning Bill’s affair(s) in front of Chelsea reeks of the infantilization of an adult woman who could hardly be unaware the aforementioned affairs.
He seems unaware of the difference between gallantry and infantilization.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:08:35pm

re: #119 allegro

Yes. Yes he did.

Because he’s an idiot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:08:57pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:10:31pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

It’s NYC, sometimes that’s all it takes. Half the economy there is generated by harvesting the static cling that results from nepotistic glad-handing.

QFF.

Quoted for fun.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:11:33pm

re: #119 allegro

Just thinking about Marchado and Trump’s panic-sounding 3 time query “how did you find out about that?” Did he really think his non-disclosure demands on employees (and volunteers) were going to protect him forever?

Aaaaaah. That’s why he went on the “how did you find out about that”?? I was actually thinking about his reaction earlier. It was very strange to see him so rattled.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:12:09pm

He’s losing money. Sad.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:12:21pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:12:25pm

re: #113 Interesting Times

I have to wonder how Chelsea and Ivanka were even “friends” in the first place. Seems as if they have nothing in common besides famous parents and living in NYC.

They both have Jewish husbands. Chelsea hasn’t converted like Ivanka, but nonetheless for women who weren’t raised Jewish, there’s probably a fairly steep learning curve

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:13:18pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Sadder: man worth billions decides this is what he want to do with the time he has left.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:13:34pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

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The Trumpenspawn aren’t going to reflect on the fact that they, too, are fucking up their brand by participating in this political mess…but then again, they’re not exactly impressive in an of themselves. Their reputations are all borrowed light from Dad’s forty-year-old mythos.

Looking at this strictly from an advertising perspective: the Trump brand is fucked when Donald Trump dies. It’s his “story” and his constant bullshitting that sells the name. The kids have all failed to establish themselves as “Trumps” to match their dad, though I’d argue that there’s a conscious attempt to build up his daughter as successor figure for selling the brand—though not very well, since Donald himself can’t quite manage to present his daughter as something other than a configuration of body parts. And the sons are basically fucking charmless and clueless in a way that screams “useless scion of dynasty.” But even Ivanka isn’t really succeeding as a charismatic flim-flammer, which is what’s necessary to keep selling the idea that the name Trump is added value.

I’m not committed to it, but I could argue that this political foray is a gamble being made precisely because the Trump brand is, long term, fucked. Donald, raging political demagogue, can create a new brand with a smaller but dedicated consumption audience, and condense money from the larger cloud of believers that the populist right and the religious right have been farming for years. It’s a good business model…look at the breadth and depth of the fuckwit herding industry, from Fox News to guys who sell tapes at churches.

There’s gold in them there rubes.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:14:45pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

fuckwit herding industry

+100

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:14:57pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:15:01pm

re: #124 Dr. Matt

Aaaaaah. That’s why he went on the “how did you find out about that”?? I was actually thinking about his reaction earlier. It was very strange to see him so rattled.

I dunno if that’s why but it makes some sense. He was freaked about it like he was shot by a gun he was sure was unloaded.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:17:03pm
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Jay C  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:17:07pm

re: #131 CuriousLurker

Thanks. I prolly should have, but now the editing window has expired.

There’s an expiration time on edits, now? Who knew?
How long? (edit window AND “since when”??)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:17:50pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

They both have Jewish husbands. Chelsea hasn’t converted like Ivanka, but nonetheless for women who weren’t raised Jewish, there’s probably a fairly steep learning curve

The Jewish world is not that closely connected LOL.

What concerns me is how Ivanka and Jared have basically blown off the grotesque Anti-Semitism of the alt-right. Not to mention that Jared and his family are just like an Anti-Semitic stereotype of wealthy, conniving Juice.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:18:32pm
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:18:47pm

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:19:26pm

re: #132 allegro

I dunno if that’s why but it makes some sense. He was freaked about it like he was shot by a gun he was sure was unloaded.

I just watched that exchange. She definitely stung him with that.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:21:05pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:22:15pm

Not everyone thought Mr. Trump appeared unprepared for the White House.

Barb Haag of West Chester, a retired teacher of the emotionally disturbed, said Mr. Trump’s interruptions did not bother her. “Kids interrupt you all the time if they have a point to make,” she said.

see, if you’re used to emotionally disturbed children, trump seems perfectly normal

from an article on the first post debate national poll:

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:22:35pm

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

The Jewish world is not that closely connected LOL.

What concerns me is how Ivanka and Jared have basically blown off the grotesque Anti-Semitism of the alt-right. Not to mention that Jared and his family are just like an Anti-Semitic stereotype of wealthy, conniving Juice.

I think it’s for the same reason that people like Sarandon were so blind to the possibility of President Trump while going ‘Never Hillary’ -

No matter what happens, it most likely won’t affect them.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:23:08pm

“Culture matters. American culture is being degraded and debased.”

This is like something you would hear from old men in the 1950’s worried about “race music.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:24:19pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:25:47pm

re: #132 allegro

I dunno if that’s why but it makes some sense. He was freaked about it like he was shot by a gun he was sure was unloaded.

It’s not even the first time this was brought up. This story broke months ago.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:26:08pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

TFW you upding a post for the first paragraph and then try to upding it again as you keep reading…

ETA: “Fuckwit herding industry” is pure gold.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:26:58pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s a good business model…look at the breadth and depth of the fuckwit herding industry, from Fox news to guys who sell tapes at churches.

There’s gold in them there rubes.

Jesus! Every damn time I feel like I’ve gotten a decent grasp on English composition you come along and just pull some insane gymnastic dunks that light the net on fire.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:28:55pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:29:07pm

This seems to be mostly a non-story as far as the U.S. media is concerned:

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Dual explosions rocked the east German city of Dresden late on Monday, police told the press. The two small bombs detonated in front of a mosque and a convention center, though it appeared no one was injured in the attacks.

The first blast occurred at 9:53 pm local time, outside a mosque on Hühndorfer Strasse in the eastern neighborhood of Cotta. An imam was inside the building at the time, along with his wife and two children. About half an hour later, a second explosion was head outside the International Congress Center, forcing police to evacuate the nearby Martim Hotel. […]

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:30:24pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:30:38pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Jesus! Every damn time I feel like I’ve gotten a decent grasp on English composition you come along and just pull some insane gymnastic dunks that light the net on fire.

You do pretty okay yourself, Frank.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:31:05pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

heh

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:33:55pm

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

The Jewish world is not that closely connected LOL.

I wasn’t referring to the husbands being connected, only to the probable shared experience of the women learning about a religion they are (or were) probably not terribly familiar with. I would think the same if they had both married Muslims, Hindus, etc.

What concerns me is how Ivanka and Jared have basically blown off the grotesque Anti-Semitism of the alt-right. Not to mention that Jared and his family are just like an Anti-Semitic stereotype of wealthy, conniving Juice.

Yeah, that part creeps me out.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:33:56pm

re: #142 jaunte

“Culture matters. American culture is being degraded and debased.”

This is like something you would hear from old men in the 1950’s worried about “race music.”

im sure i have a notion of what this guy’s idea of “culture” is, and it probably includes both country and western

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:34:10pm
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Kragar  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:35:38pm
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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:36:02pm

re: #142 jaunte

“Culture matters. American culture is being degraded and debased.”

This is like something you would hear from old men in the 1950’s worried about “race music.”

Thing is, I don’t disagree with him. Our culture is being degraded and debased by Trump, the GOP, and the alt-right. And RWNJ media. The whole ugly racist, misogynist mess of them.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:37:13pm

if we let trump latch on to the topic of american culture im sure we’d hear about how the blues was invented by pat boone

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:37:51pm
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:38:38pm

re: #157 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if we let trump latch on to the topic of american culture im sure we’d hear about how the blues was invented by pat boone

And how Elvis was a respectable musician.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:38:45pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

“american culture is being degraded and debase”

mostly by those claiming to “protect” it

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:42:31pm

re: #161 dangerman

“american culture is being degraded and debase”

mostly by those claiming to “protect” it

yet probably hates “political correctness”, right?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:43:23pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:44:24pm
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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:44:39pm

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Jay C  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:45:30pm

Here’s odd news from Capitol Hill:

Senate, House Override Obama’s Veto of 9/11 Bill

Odd because it is apparently, the first (and so far only) veto override of President Obama’s term in office. The Senate vote was notably lopsided: 97- 1 (The “1” was Harry Reid).

Personally, I think the bill is a ridiculous waste of time, but then, I suppose there’s no downside to Saudi-bashing in Washington….

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:45:45pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:46:35pm

Greetings from Reunion Tower. The weather is absolutely perfect today for skyline sightseeing. I almost don’t want to leave.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:49:05pm

re: #162 Sir John Barron

yet probably hates “political correctness”, right?

no doubt

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:49:40pm

re: #167 Jay C

Here’s odd news from Capitol Hill:

Senate, House Override Obama’s Veto of 9/11 Bill

Odd because it is apparently, the first (and so only) veto override of President Obama’s term in office. The Senate vote was notably lopsided: 97- 1 (The “1” was Harry Reid).

Personally, I think the bill is a ridiculous waste of time, but then, I suppose there’s no downside to Saudi-bashing in Washington….

Well, Harry Reid is retiring when his term is up, so he doesn’t have anything to worry about. I wonder how long it’ll be before other countries start passing similar bills and suing the U.S. for “collateral damage” and such.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:49:47pm
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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:50:18pm

re: #165 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No. of NYT Clinton Foundation” stories: 120
No. of NYT Trump Foundation stories: 17

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well the clinton foundation is way more than 10 times bigger, so

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:51:39pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

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I have never been there and I live 25 miles from it.

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gocart mozart  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:51:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:52:51pm

re: #175 Belafon

I’d recommend it. Price of admission isn’t terrible. Best to go during the week I’d say. Not many people here today, plenty of breathing space.

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danarchy  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:55:16pm

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He recently got a spot on one of the local AM talk radio stations, like 3 hours on saturday or something. I am a huge Red Sox fan, so there will always be a place in my heart for the man, but damn he is an idiot. More proof that being good at one thing doesn’t necessarily mean you are good at anything else.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:00:18pm

re: #170 dangerman

no doubt

but anyone and everything that “debases the culture” must be fought and eliminated.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:00:56pm

re: #179 danarchy

He recently got a spot on one of the local AM talk radio stations, like 3 hours on saturday or something. I am a huge Red Sox fan, so there will always be a place in my heart for the man, but damn he is an idiot. More proof that being good at one thing doesn’t necessarily mean you are good at anything else.

there must be a limitless supply of talk radio spaces available for wingnuts who need work.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:01:11pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Jesus! Every damn time I feel like I’ve gotten a decent grasp on English composition you come along and just pull some insane gymnastic dunks that light the net on fire.

What I like most about “fuckwit herding industry” is its many connotations, all of which fit perfectly.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:01:25pm

This Cat Is Afraid of Donald Trump

This Cat Is Afraid of Donald Trump

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:01:54pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:04:34pm

Jocularity aside, the viability of financial models based around “keep people constantly afraid and gullible” is fucking terrifying. It has always been an industry, but the speed of information flow has made it much more worrisome. What is so, so fucked up is that all over the world we can see the acceleration of communication and ease of idea flow result in the weaponization of gullibility.

Everybody can be a rube. We are all vulnerable, and cons work because they find the hole in your manifold. Those fake news sites that live by getting mistaken for real news are a demonstration of how fast and easy it happens. We live in an age where click revenue and selling data monetizes our attention, so deception as business works on a whole new level…we are all going to have to think about that, all the time.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:04:41pm
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451_Montag  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:05:34pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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Damn…. he even broke the 27% rule.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:05:58pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Look at that, the mating call of a fuckwit in the wild.

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:06:40pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Clinton 56% - Trump 26%: the numbers I want to see on the evening of Nov. 8.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:06:58pm

HA. Trump invited a former Miss Wisconsin to appear at Wisconsin rally tonight.

He is so easily manipulated.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:08:54pm

Why yes I am avoiding housecleaning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:09:00pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

Twelve years, huh? I only lasted 2.5 years. Never again.

she was not like that for the whole twelve years, but yeah

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:09:22pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea

HA. Trump invited a former Miss Wisconsin to appear at Wisconsin rally tonight.

He is so easily manipulated.

Beauty contestants love me. I do very well with the beauty contestants. Buhlieve me.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:09:46pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea

HA. Trump invited a former Miss Wisconsin to appear at Wisconsin rally tonight.

He is so easily manipulated.

Maturity of a 12 year old

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:12:08pm

re: #167 Jay C

Here’s odd news from Capitol Hill:

Senate, House Override Obama’s Veto of 9/11 Bill

Odd because it is apparently, the first (and so far only) veto override of President Obama’s term in office. The Senate vote was notably lopsided: 97- 1 (The “1” was Harry Reid).

Personally, I think the bill is a ridiculous waste of time, but then, I suppose there’s no downside to Saudi-bashing in Washington….

For now, yes, but wait until the USA faces lawsuits for all the things it has blown up…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:12:19pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

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I don’t think TRUMP WON DEBATE, because every time it was tossed in front of him, TRUMP TOOK DE BAIT.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:14:59pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea

HA. Trump invited a former Miss Wisconsin to appear at Wisconsin rally tonight.

He is so easily manipulated.

The way this campaign is going, Trump may decide to demonstrate his ‘capabilities’ with the former Miss Wisconsin in front of the rally audience.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:16:02pm

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

For now, yes, but wait until the USA faces lawsuits for all the things it has blown up…

At which time, Congressional Republicans will blame Obama for a bill they made into law by overriding his veto.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:17:01pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

At which time, Congressional Republicans will blame Obama for a bill they made into law by overriding his veto.

Well, he was not in the Oval Office then the 9/11 attacks happened…why not?

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thedopefishlives  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:18:48pm

Evening Lizardim from the cool, cloudy, and on-and-off-rainy wild north country. I’m stuck in deployment hell for the next two days, as I have to rebuild our Staging environment from scratch (to mimic the current Production environment), then deploy the latest code, test it, and then restore everything back to what it was at the beginning of the night. All of this is in preparation for the ACTUAL Production environment upgrade tomorrow, which I am dreading. How go things among the lizardfolk on this fall evening?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:19:15pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t think TRUMP WON DEBATE, because every time it was tossed in front of him, TRUMP TOOK DE BAIT.

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danarchy  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:20:59pm

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

For now, yes, but wait until the USA faces lawsuits for all the things it has blown up…

I haven’t read the bill, but what does it actually allow them to do? Sue in a US court? If that is the case, then it seems mostly symbolic since Saudi Arabia is a sovereign nation and I can’t see how it would be bound by any ruling a US judge made. I don’t think a judge would have the authority to force the US government to place any sort of sanctions on them.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:21:15pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:23:07pm

Free Republic is eyeball deep in the poll stuffing (“freep” as a verb is their turn for saturating a poll or comment section to distort the results):

UNFIXING THE NEXT DEBATE: Massive Freep Needed

09/28/2016 8:41:51 AM PDT * by Jack Black * 22 replies
The Atlantic ^
The Atlantic Magazine reports “The Second Presidential Debate Will Try Something New”, that is crowed-sourced questions for the next Town Hall debate. The details and background is given in the article. I’m sure many other leftist sources are being made aware of this.

POLL: Tell Us Who You Think Won the Debate Last Night! (Please Freep this thing)

09/27/2016 12:53:11 PM PDT * by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget * 98 replies
MEDIAITE (SCUM) ^
Small poll on Mediaite. Hillary Clinton 62.43% (1,050 votes) Donald Trump 37.57% (632 votes) Total Votes: 1,682

FReep these comments on the POLLS from the DEBATE

09/27/2016 9:24:55 AM PDT * by NowApproachingMidnight * 18 replies
DM ^ | 9/27/16 | Self
Majority of snap polls show Trump won debate by a landslide despite CNN’s overwhelming victory for Hillary in biggest official survey

FREEp the 2nd Debate Questions

09/27/2016 8:29:48 AM PDT * by GoreFreeTN * 5 replies
The Atlantic ^ | 9/26/2016 | Russell Berman
The Second Presidential Debate Will Try Something New Ordinary Americans will be able to submit—and vote on—questions to be considered when the candidates meet again. Viewers unhappy with the questions asked at Monday night’s debate will have a shot to weigh in before Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton meet again on October 9: For the first time, the networks producing the town-hall style debate have agreed to accept questions voted on through the internet. The Commission on Presidential Debates had already announced that the second of three debates would feature questions submitted online in addition to those asked by the…

How would you grade Lester Holt? [FREEP this MSNBC poll]

09/27/2016 6:17:22 AM PDT * by Colofornian * 46 replies
MSNBC ^ | September 27, 2016
How would you grade Lester Holt? …

POLL: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, who won the debate? (FReep a poll)

09/26/2016 10:30:11 PM PDT * by 2ndDivisionVet * 23 replies
WZZM-TV | September 26, 2016 | Andrew Krietz
Link only due to copyright issues: wzzm13.com

Time poll to Freep

09/26/2016 9:25:47 PM PDT * by Az Joe * 18 replies
Time ^ | 9/26/16 | Time
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump faced off at their first presidential debate Monday. Who do you think won? Hillary Clinton 41 % Donald Trump 59 %

Freep Poll on Lester Holt’s Performance

09/26/2016 8:38:11 PM PDT * by onevoter * 61 replies
MSN ^ | 09/26/2016 | MSN
How would you grade Lester Holt

FREEp the Time.com poll

09/26/2016 8:08:15 PM PDT * by usafa92 * 76 replies
Time ^ | 9/26/2017 | Time
Trump is even at this poll which is the most liberal audience. He’s winning Fortune, heavy.com, Fox5 San Diego as well.

FREEP THIS POLL!!! MSN!

09/26/2016 8:01:05 PM PDT * by Alas Babylon! * 51 replies
msn.com ^ | 26 Sep 2016 | MSN
POLL RESULTS Who do you believe won Monday night’s presidential debate? 40% Hillary Clinton45% Donald Trump 6% It was a tie 9% I’m not sure Total responses: 12,402 votes Full election coverage from MSN News

List of all online debate polls to FReep

09/26/2016 7:59:57 PM PDT * by Ziva * 79 replies
Zionists 4 Trump | 9/26/2016 | Ziva
Let’s have one thread here to collect links to all online post-debate polls. Please add more polls you find.

Update: Paged, Organized poll Spamming at Free Republic

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:23:59pm
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What a piece of shit.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:27:38pm

re: #185 The Ghost of a Flea

Jocularity aside, the viability of financial models based around “keep people constantly afraid and gullible” is fucking terrifying. It has always been an industry, but the speed of information flow has made it much more worrisome. What is so, so fucked up is that all over the world we can see the acceleration of communication and ease of idea flow result in the weaponization of gullibility.

Everybody can be a rube. We are all vulnerable, and cons work because they find the hole in your manifold. Those fake news sites that live by getting mistaken for real news are a demonstration of how fast and easy it happens. We live in an age where click revenue and selling data monetizes our attention, so deception as business works on a whole new level…we are all going to have to think about that, all the time.

Considering heavily armed Truth Squads, here.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:27:42pm

Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act

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gocart mozart  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:30:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:31:49pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

A seriously ill-advised piece of legislation. It seems good on the surface, but in reality it opens up the United States to lawsuits from other countries just as much as it allows US citizens to sue other countries. That’s why Obama vetoed it. This is a bad law and it’s going to backfire on us.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:33:16pm
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Uhhhh

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:33:49pm

re: #205 Jenner7

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What a piece of shit.

Then there’s this

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:34:24pm

re: #210 Jenner7

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:35:14pm

re: #210 Jenner7

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WHAT

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:41:35pm

re: #211 Stanley Sea

Women were also far likelier to say Clinton won the debate, by a 10-point margin over men.

See my anecdotal evidence from sports podcasts.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:41:43pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

A seriously ill-advised piece of legislation. It seems good on the surface, but in reality it opens up the United States to lawsuits from other countries just as much as it allows US citizens to sue other countries. That’s why Obama vetoed it. This is a bad law and it’s going to backfire on us.

Yeah, I assumed President Obama wouldn’t veto it without good reason. I tried to slog through all the legal mumbo-jumbo, but my eyes quickly glazed over. This part form page 5 jumped out at me though—I don’t know how often the U.S. Code gets amended, but I’m guessing not often:

SEC. 3. FOREIGN SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY.

Section 1605(a) of title 28, United States Code, is amended— […]

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CuriousLurker  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:48:31pm

re: #210 Jenner7

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Uhhhh

Not terrorism!
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:51:41pm

re: #204 Shiplord Kirel

Free Republic is eyeball deep in the poll stuffing (“freep” as a verb is their turn for saturating a poll or comment section to distort the results):

LOL Free Republic was so, so butthurt that the LIBTARD Detroit Free Press “stole” the domain name freep.com

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:55:22pm

re: #211 Stanley Sea

Then there’s this

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Twenty seven percent of women seems appallingly low, unless like another fifty percent went in already feeling as bad about Trump as they possibly ever could.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:58:00pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Twenty seven percent of women seems appallingly low, unless like another fifty percent went in already feeling as bad about Trump as they possibly ever could.

Seriously. I keep telling my wife, “OH MY GOD!!! TRUMP JUST SAID X!”

And she say, “So? How can you be surprised by that?”

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TedStriker  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:58:10pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

While they publicly support his racist bullshit Trump’s little shits are privately scared that Dad’s campaign is harming their inheritance.

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— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 28, 2016

Yeah, pretty much.

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TedStriker  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:00:05pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

She has been frequently compared to Veruca Salt from ‘Willy Wonka’.

Too bad there’s not a handy garbage chute for her to fall down…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:17:40pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

Yeah, there are better ways of trying to deal with Saudi.


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