Moral cripples, the lot of them.
Willing concubines of the devil.

Theo van who?

/hollywood LLLs

I've given up on Hollywood having a moral conscience, except for a few people who work in the industry but don't live there. I just don't see anything real coming out of Hollywood.

But then, why should they? They make a living on fantasy.

They were too busy thinking about all the coke they would be snorting at the after-Oscar parties.

George C. Scott had it right.

bigel tell us how you really feel ;-)
and ditto. I can not bring myself to pay the $7 to go see a movie knowing that these assholes would benifit from it.

Oscar show?

Who is Oscar, and why did they give him a show?

I guess it would have cut into my viewing of "The Wonderful World of Dung" on Discovery Channel.

Did we really expect anything less from these people. I just got home from work and it ain't going to bother my sleep any.

Oscar who?

I spent the evening here at lgf.

Didn't watch. Never will again after Moore won an Oscar. Then I KNEW it had no meaning. But heard about Rock's tasteless crap comparing the Iraq with a Gap-Banana Republic War.

Incidentally, they're part of the same company.

Has Hollywood ever stepped up and tried to help someone who had conservative views and was being hurt/censored/whatever?

OT: 125 people killed in Iraq suicide bombing

There is another weird thing: George Bush was awarded the Razzle as worst leading actor in Farenjeit 9/11. I am at loss here: I understand the joke and everything, but Bush is not an actor... I really can't fathom those minds.

O.K. here's what I think. The left is silent because deep down,
they want the Islamofascists to get rid of those pesky Jews and Christians. They really hate Judeo-Christian principles. This is why the NOW gang is silent also. It suits their agenda.

Eh, more than likely, it was the same excuse they use every time an issue involving Hollywood involves Islam: We might offend Muslim viewers.

An excellent point -- Hollywood could care less about Theo Van Gogh, it would mean recognizing the problem.

This blogger, linked via instanpundit, has more on the left's willful ignorance:

[Link: democracyguy.typepad.com...]
(They forgot about 9-11)
 

Theo Van Gogh had no direct connection to their agenda in CA. so, he doesn't count. Had Mr. Van Gogh attended last year's Elton John party or the Governors Ball, someone might have remembered he died for filming an idea that is anathema to extremists.

#14 FabioC.
And it was posing as a documentary, which naturally, do not have "actors"
Bah, Humbug!

#15 Americain

At least until the Islamofascists come to get them.

The majority opinion is that Van Gogh deserved it. The minority keep their opinions to themselves for the most part.

The Theo Van Gogh murder is a politically correct murder in the LLL art world.

I sat there wondering what in the world could be going through their blow-dried heads.

Coke, sex, fashion, Coke, sex, coke, more coke.

#8 CheezNCrackers

"Wonderful World of Dung?" Cheez - you WERE tuned into the Oscars!

Charles and you are surprised? However if a member of the "Religious Right" did something similar you can well bet that the response would be different. By the way Chris Rock was so bad that he made me long for David Letterman (remember his disastrous hosting of the Oscars)?

#23 Carolina Girl

LOL! Of course, for Oscar night the dung is decorated in taffita and rhinestones.

Recognizing Theo Van Gogh would have taken the spotlight off them -- although, I think it was a mistake on their part. After all, no one does fake tears better than stars on awards nights.

What confounds me is that Drudge reported the best ratings in 4 years. I didn't watch one second of that ridiculous Hollywood Ego-massage.

#20 Ward Cleaver

They are willing to take the chance that they can deal with them when the time comes. Maybe they want to be controlled by the Mussies.

Hmm, the actual film was a bit crap - the issues deserved a fuller treatment. Nevertheless the murder of a Van Gogh should have come up.

23 Carolina Girl

Thankfully the Histrory International Channel had an excellent documentary on between 9 and 10 pm on The Kaiser Offensive of 1918 so that was a perfect excuse not to watch the Oscar's from that point on for me.

I dont remember the lst time I watched the Oscars.
Yawn!

The Oscars?

*yawn*

On C-SPAN2 three moslems are lying their asses off.

I really hate these people.

#6 ddd
What did G.C. Scott say?

zzz. Good night all.

24 - Joel

Umma, Oprah. Oprah, Umma.
Keanu.

With all due respect, Theo was from some underwater European country. Who cares? The awards are too long anyway. Generally, I like Chris Rock, but the few times I saw him last night (I was flipping the remote), I agree he was not too funny. Bad venue for the Chris.

Sorry to go OT, but Lee Harris has a really good article over at techcentralstation.com. He's been a bit quiet lately.

The article is about why Palestinian terrorism is unique (uniquely stupid, that is).

Quite frankly im not sure why I wasted 3 whole hours of my life watching that BS. Alas it was fun to rip on them which is what I did.

First Chris Rock's pathetic joke trivializing our soldiers, and then they go on to make sure to say they remember our troops and thank them for all they do. BS.

Anyone else catch the line one of the guys said, basically telling the troops overseas to catch a movie if they can? Give me a break.

I never expected to see Theo Van Gogh memorialized/remembered/honored. They are probably happy that the muslims offed him.

#24 Joel

Would you like to buy a monkey?

But I could only imagine the uproar if a Christian extremist killer Larry Flint...

Why were the ratings so high? Who was watching? Makes me think the ratings thing is fixed.

#39 Correction: killed

Hollywood has a lot in common with extreme
muslims they are all parasites. Cursing the very land that feeds their sick arses. I especially despise shaun Penn omg, he saw himself in the mirror and took it out on real americans.
And Chris Rock, I predict that is his last time to host. he proved to be a stupid moron. If they volunteered their services to the islamics , all they could be is a suicide bomber and what a mess that would make, especially if it was lard arse moore. no sun for a hundred years

Oh they'll be talking about it plenty when Europe is in flames. I just read that TimesOnline piece about Holland. It's no wonder Hollywood can't discuss Van Gogh, because the issue puts their entire worldview under a microscope that they cannot tolerate. And the problem is quite intractable. The Middle East will go democratic and pro-American while Europe will go to the torch, thanks to the inevitable to-the-death conflict set up by their (and our) leftist intellectuals. When that day comes, Hollywood will start making movies about the racist Dutch and their oppression of the Muslims.

"Wonderful World of Dung?" Cheez - you WERE tuned into the Oscars!

I wondered why that fat dung beetle looked familiar - and why a beetle would have a 2-day beard.

Oscar who?

15 Americain

O.K. here's what I think. The left is silent because deep down, they want the Islamofascists to get rid of those pesky Jews and Christians. They really hate Judeo-Christian principles.

If you really believe that, then you clearly have no idea what "Judeo-Christian principles" actually means.

#29 Joel

Court TV had two hours of "COPS" -- and if that wasn't on, Direct TV had an entire evening of how to get the most out of programming your DVR.

#25 vxbush

LOL! Turds in Taffeta!

But for them not to mention Theo Van Gogh is monstrous. The bright light of day has finally shown on these narcissistic little creeps. I would have thought that at the very least, the winner of the Best Documentary award would have taken the time to mention Mr. Van Gogh.

As if I needed a reason to despise these jerks more than I already do.

Hollywood has no conscience. They are truly whores and pimps. Which means that when ratings are up, they think they are doing okay and everyone loves them. The few that do think things through are worth mentioning, however. Chris Rock isn't one of them.

I didn't watch--again.

USA Today described the giant spinning Oscar behind the Oscar winners as they gave their acceptance speeches: ...there it was, rotating behind every acceptance speech like some out-of-control carnival ride...

#46 BPP
If you really believe that, then you clearly have no idea what "Judeo-Christian principles" actually means.

Is that right? What do they mean in your opinion?

#43 Sergio

I think that if the Middle East goes democratic and more westernized, the Islamic Supremacism movement will lose steam all over the world. Especially if the Saudi funds dry up.

I only saw the end. What I noticed was that he made such a big deal that no straight black man watches the Oscars.

So he wears matching diamond earrings. Yup, all the straight guys I know go in for that.

Sheesh.

To echo the above comments...

Oscars? What the hell are those? Why would I want to watch west coast elites tell themselves how much they love each other.

#46 BPP

Then what is your theory?

#46

Please explain.

/robotic drone

Must-deny-realities-that-conflict-with-deeply entrenched-leftwing-worldview

Must-not-acknowledge-anything-which-would substantiate-existence-of-evil-in-universe

/robotic drone off

38 Ward Cleaver

What I would actually like to buy is a cell phone zapper so every morning or evening on the bus or subway I would not have to lsiten to people inane conversations.

34 DaZoid81

aaarrgh! I was trying to purge my memory of that lame bit he did.

OT- yesterday I finally saw that crap piece "Art" they filled Central Park with called "The Gates." I think that my dog could crap in Central Park and if I called it "Art" these numbskulls would swoon over it.

Clean up on aisle 46.

/GAZE

#47 Carolina Girl

It would be nice if they could at least mention people who are dying to get the truth out, wouldn't it? Or if they can't do that, to be quiet on things they know so little about.

If only that old wisdom would be used by these people: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

#46 BPP 2/28/2005 08:51AM PST

We're all waiting

I made a point of not watching the Oscars, I have a low tolerance of self-congratulatory bullshit. I had a vague hope that terrorists would attack the ceremony but terrorists don't attack their allies. From Ed Asner, to Oliver Stone to Chris Rock, Hollywood is full of left-wing terrorist enablers and rich, narcissistic, amoral dolts. I won't waste my time on them.

To me the Oscars jumped the shark when the Academy bestowed upon Warren Beatty a "Lifetime Achievement Award" for making boring, critically panned, and commercially unsuccessful films.

Quite an achievement.

Haz-Mat spill on aisle 46

I can't think the last time I watched them, and I was one of those people in the past who went to Oscar Parties and had a fabulous time.

Now? Don't even recoginize the movies, or the stars. Don't go to the movies anymore. Flyboy and I have a big screen, surround sound and a microwave. I'd rather pay 3.99 at Blockbuster and be able to pause the movie and not listen to teenagers talking or their damn cell phones going off.

And even then, there's about only five movies I want to see every year.

And here's where I go O/T -- has anyone seen "Sideways" and can you recommend it as going to an actual theater worthy?

Somehow, 'dung' seems to be permeating this thread. Which reminds me:

My older boy (fifteen -- movie buff) insisted on watching the Oscars, but was terminally unimpressed with Chris Rock. 'He's ruining the Oscars!' the boy said.

'Son,' I told him, 'you cannot ruin the Oscars. They're like a cowpat. You can move it around. You can flip it over. You can distribute pieces of it all about the landscape. But you can't "ruin" it.'

#58 Joel

Same here, I really hate those who scream into their goddamn phones on the bus or wherever.

#46 BPP

If you really believe that, then you clearly have no idea what "Judeo-Christian principles" actually means.

Huh? I believe Hollywood LOVES to bitchslap Judeo-Christian principles. Primarily because they worship themselves and their "whatever feels good" mentality.

#63 Dirk

Splendor in the Grass is about the only good film he ever made.

Syria announced that it's Lebanese Gov is resigning, according to FOX.
BUSH WINS BIG!

Rock was terrible. Not his venue, as somebody else said.

I was happy to see Clint's film win, though. For what it's worth, I thought that was a powerful movie, and powerful good. Perhaps Clint's best, though it's got some stiff competition in that regard. Plus, Swank was astonishingly good, as the poor hillbilly girl who thought she could be a boxer. Brilliant actress!

OK, I hate "Hollywood The Political Party," as much as anyone. Really, I do. However, if you love movies, as I do, you have to block out the idiocy that surrounds Hollywood like a heavy shit-mist, and take the movies for what's on the screen.

Hey, at least they had the good sense to stiff Moore this year. You should give credit, where credit is due.

#46, calling #46...

Possibly a drive-by.

#70 Baier

Hoo-Rah!

#70 Baier

Another domino falls?

Re: Leftist+Islamists against a third Party, I think Steven DenBeste wrote some interesting things about it.

The three-way War

#69 Ward Cleaver

I LOVED Heaven Can Wait.

He was good in Splendor, too.

I loved the sagely nods of approval from SPike Lee and Johnny Depp when Moores peice of tripe was mentioned.

Yeah man, fight the power.

Just keep being the ventriloquist dummies and carnival clowns you are for a living and shut the fuck up, you punks.

Splendor in the Grass is about the only good film he ever made.

You didn't like Reds? What about Ishtar? Or Bulworth? Or Town and Country? Or Bugsy?

#72 Americain

Yeah - just like Hollywood. Spits out crap and then runs.

74 Ward Cleaver
It's Bush's Berlin Wall

67 Fabio C

The worst is on the weekends and evenings when these idiots have free calls.

What do you expect from a group of people whos general education doesn't extend beyond High School. Those that did obtain an education have degrees in Theater - a BS(Bull Shit degree) in pretending. If they couldn't act, have no doubt their best line would be "do you want fries with that?"

I have not watched the Oscars for years since it became nothing more than a political platform.

I knew nothing of Chris Rock, other than he was a comedian and since it was hyped that changes were made, I decided to watch.

No more than 5 minutes into the show, I thought Chris Rock was not funny, was patronizing and just plain annoying. It didn't even come close to entertainment.

Indeed, the fact that the audience clapped and laughed only shows how they are willing to accept what isn't even mediocre but poor at best.

Lebanon's parliament has resigned and the President has resigned.

Congratulations to Bush for standing tall and fighting the good fight. I just hope whoever comes in after him (Dr. Rice, paging Dr. Rice) will continue the good work.

#82 mccleansan

But, but, but...they have insight into the HUMAN CONDITION!

/fake tears off

#79 traveler

LOL!

They never can give a logical answer when challenged.

Rock mentions Fahrenheit 9/11 and the mindless crowd goes crazy but when The Passion of the Christ is mentioned you could almost here the boos. How many people in the fly-over states do you think decided to flip the channel after this out of touch with reality display of support?

#68 Traveler

I believe Hollywood LOVES to bitchslap Judeo-Christian principles.

Hollywood doesn't understand the threat of western civilization from Islamo-fascism. They should've recognized that threat when Theo Van Gogh was murdered, but like good whores, the money was too good elsewhere. Eventually they'll get the message -- probably once France goes under.

Oh yeah, the Oscars were on. Haven't watched in eons.

#63 Dirk Diggler

They drew lots, and Warren Beatty won.

The only high points of the show last night were the Johnny Carson tribute, three of the performers who sang nominated songs, The Incredibles winning best animated film, and the one guy who said he didn't what the rest of his time, he just wanted to get off the stage.

Chris Rock sucks. He's not funny, he's foul and trite.

Bring back Billy Crystal.

#70 baier

No fooling? Wow.

/trying to figure out how to blame Israel

#82 mccleansan
Mark Steyn and I never went beyond high school - and I could think of a thousand more brilliant thinkers that have minimal formal education. That ain't it! (slang courtesy of my woeful educational dearth)
College actually destroys perfectly good minds, sometimes...

Any mention of Theo Van Gogh would have required an even longer disclaimer about the RoP™.

Bravo to Adam Sandler for wearing an American flag pin on his lapel last night!

As for the rest of them, Hollywood Left's collective mindset has been botoxed into frozen submission, (that pun was unintended, but apropos to the subject of filmmaker Van Gogh) and are incapable of original thought or any recognition of actual courage, even remotely similar to that shown by Van Gogh.

Feh. The only good movie I saw last year was "Team America", and that wasn't even nominated, I'm pretty sure. Not that I would know - I spent a good part of the evening at the health club. (... and I wasn't the only one there, either!)

I really want to go Beruit and Lebenon. They have 10,000 ft mountains and the the Nature is supposed to be amazing. I looked on from Israel and dreamed of going one day. I hope that dream will come true.

#89 Golem Akbar

but like good whores, the money was too good elsewhere.

You've got that right -- plus they'd have to take time off from saving the ocean...

They SAG doesn't need an excuse to act like jerks.

They are what they are: about 90% moonbats by choice.

#67 FabioC.

We get them all the time on BART. They screech into their phones to the point where everyone is just more than annoyed. Thankfully, we have tunnels that cut them off. I had to work very late one night and this guy had apparently had a terrible experience at work and then proceeded to call everyone he knew on his cell phone all the way home (a 50-minute train ride) and loudly tell them of the great injustice that had been heaped upon him. As he started dialing for the umpteenth time, I finally said - "Mister, I'm tired, I'm hungry and I'm annoyed. If I have to hear you tell that &*(%^$ story one more time, I cannot be held responsible for my actions."

Four people on the car applauded. He moved to another car.

#98 T_IT_UP

I'm SAG. I guess I'm in the other 10%

#99 Carolina Girl

LOL! Good on you!

#37

I never expected to see Theo Van Gogh memorialized/remembered/honored.

I caught parts of the photo tribute they did for all the actors/directors/etc. who passed away last year. Was Theo one of them? I didn't see it all, but I kinda doubt it.

#71 Octopus

However, if you love movies, as I do, you have to block out the idiocy that surrounds Hollywood

I agree. Eternal Sunshine on the Spotless Mind won a couple of awards and that is really gratifying. In my very overblown opinion, that was the most original of the year. Hotel Rwanda should have gotten more recognition, however.

I bet most actors don't know who Theo Van Gogh is or how he died.

Interesting stuff going on in Lebanon right now. I doubt Hollyweird knows much about that either.

I've heard that there are manufacturers producing plastics loaded with metal, or reinforced with metal mesh, that can effectively block cell phone communications: such panels should be installed in cinemas etc. at least.

#86 traveler

"But, but, but...they have insight into the HUMAN CONDITION!"

Ha! Unable to make commitments, drug induced parties...I could go on...

Well, I'm sure Babs was in her element. You know, she and her ego gliding down the red (commie?) carpet, nodding and waving to the hoi-poloi, bling blinging her self centered persona up to the t.v. microphones expecting the viewers to sit in wrapt awe as she blathers on about *I*, *Me*, *My*.

Yeah, I watched it ... NOT

swampy

#65 Carolina Girl

I'm not much of a movie-goer these days myself, but I did see "Sideways" and I really liked it. Just my opinion, though.

99 Carolina GIrl

Once on an Amtrak ride from NY to Providence Rhode Island some young girl got on and started yakking for over an hour. When she reached her stop she got off and continued yakking and was oblivious to us when we all applauded her exiting form the train. Dumb ass!

Pull the Marines out of Fallujah and send them to Hollywood.

BabbaZee

No offense - I know there are "great thinkers" who choose not to go the University route - To clarify - "stars" are living in a world of pretend - not reality, and are generaly not well-read - case in point Brad Pitts interview with Opra - whoa!

#94 FreakyBoy

A Kiefer and Donald Sutherland Public Serivce Announcement from the Council of Dhimmitude.

#109 Joel

When I'm in a fool mood, I hope abuse of mobile phones to be a real danger for healt :D

#108 loppyd 2/28/2005 09:11AM PST
#65 Carolina Girl

I'm not much of a movie-goer these days myself, but I did see "Sideways" and I really liked it. Just my opinion, though.

I liked it, too! It starts out very slow, but it does build, and the most redeeming elements are that it showed me why people can get so wrapped up in learning about wine, and how making wine equates with life.

It was an eloquent message wrapped up in the comedic talents of Thomas Hayden Church. He was outstanding. All the actors were very good.

#108 loppyd

I saw Sideways a couple of weeks ago. Very good but maybe they over hype some of these movies to the point where I get disappointed. My favorite movies tend to be Independent or low budget films in which dialogue and plot line are more important then special effects. Also I hate movies that go on and on and on. Ever hear of editing?

Jorge Drexler won!

#113 I must check my brain-hands connections: it was intended to be foul mood.

FabioC.

They really have to start creating no cell phone araeas such as public transportation, etc. It is getting out of hand.

You know I was commenting to my wife last night wondering how much security they had at the oscars, and that it could be a big terror target...Stupid me, I immediately realized that that crowd, J depp, Sarandon, Robbins, and others are the best allies the Terror crowd could ask for, they wouldn't hit that group in a million years.

#111 mccleansan

Vanity is the devil's favorite vice - so really it is only exceptional when they are not self absorbed ignoramuses! Or would that be Ignorami?
LOL!
I understand what you mean... I'm jess bein' salty ;-)
No offense taken.

Here's what I really don't understand:

Didn't they mention a director who worked on Nazi propoganda film in the list of people who passed away in last year's awards? If they'd do something like that then there's no goddamn reason they shouldn't have mentioned Theo Van Gogh.

Definitely for bringing back Crystal to host it next year. That or try someone new like John Cleese.

Charles - you were at the awards last night? Other than for what you mentioned above, how was it?

102 doubledip

I caught parts of the photo tribute they did for all the actors/directors/etc. who passed away last year. Was Theo one of them? I didn't see it all, but I kinda doubt it.

Of course, that would have been the perfectly painless way for Hollywood to pay tribute, even to someone whose views were different then theirs. (Ronald Reagan was the first one in that montage.) But of course, they did not.

I don't think Hollywood has any real morals, not in a real sense, except unless you think pure capitalism is moral. They'll eventually get on board. When that happens, you'll see all kinds of films about Van Gogh (what a hero, what a daring artist, etc), and more. I predict it won't be much longer. Events are happening too quickly, especially in Europe, and that will change Hollywood faster than anthing else. Remember, prostitutes need $$$, and they'll go where the $$$ is.

#114 Traveler

Tell the truth now...did you go out and buy a bottle of Pinot Noir after the movie?

Thomas Hayden Church's Lowell was my favorite character on "Wings" back in the day and I loved seeing him in this role. Such a dog...but a loveable one!

#115 Joel

I tend to stick to the independent films as well. I get the Sundance Channel as part of my cable package, but it's against my better judgment to go there with all of the Bush bashing crap they put out and promote.

103 golem--I agree, Eternal Sunshine was another brilliant flick, from the twisted synapses of Charles Kaufman. I've been a big fan of every one of his movies.

Haven't seen Hotel Rwanda yet, but it's on my list. Looks like a scary flick, from the previews I've seen.

I did not watch. Did Hollywood do anything for Reagan?

I'm guessing no.

#118 Joel

I hate the idea of regulations, but if people are so dumb that they don't understand that maybe the other 50 passengers on the bus are not interested in their personal crap...

In London there's also a lot people who shout in the most improbable languages: Portuguese, Tagalog, Hindi, Urdu, Swahili...

124 Loppyd

that is why you have to screen them first before you go. For example, Time Out New York is a very liberal magazine. When I read a review of theirs of a movie I can read between the lines and tell if it is a loony left Indie film.

127 Fabio C.

Are you living in London which used to be my faovrite city?
In New York I hear a lot of Russian on the cell phones and Russian is an annoying language to the ear.

Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is co-workers who microwave fish for lunch. Talk about chemical warfare!

#104 Sheepdogess
You're right. You mention Theo Van Gogh to these morons and they would assume you are talking about the guy who cut off his ear.

Regarding Hollywood's hostility to Judeo-Christian values,
Thomas Hibbs at NRO has a good article:Clint Eastwood and the Death of God

You have to give Babs her due, though: at least she's nice and FAT, these days!

Cue Borat: [Link: drewmike.file-place.com...]

#129 Joel

I once once engaged in a microwave fish war! Punishable by death that sould be!
Vile!

#125 Octopus
Don't miss Hotel Rwanda. It's such a good film and it does not deserve to be ignored. We all know the recent history of that country, but we don't know how badly Europe, the UN, and *Clinton* (sorry) dropped the ball there. A great movie.

#128 Joel

I tend to use people as my screeners...since I live in MA and I'm surrounded by loony lefties I ask them for their opinion. If they love it then I'm wary. These are people that called Fahrenheit 911 "brilliant" - gag.

133 BabbaZee

It ceratinly is vile. And God forbid the idiots actually wipe the inside of the microwave after they've polluted it!

Some idiot microwaved pork rinds at work one day, and burned them OMG you talk about stench! Then theres always the moron that can't microwave popcorn.

#136 Joel
cretin wombats!

55 Thom

Then what is your theory?

My theory, in order of importance, is that (a) Theo van Gogh was not of Hollywood and had nothing to do with Hollywood. The fact that he was a film maker is irrelevant. (b) The Theo van Gogh murder is not a major story in the United States and (c) His muder is a major downer and the Oscars is all about keeping it light.

The idea that Hollywood would ignore this story because it wants to denigrate "Judeo-Christian values" is just preposterous. Presposterous because it's meaningless. The Judeo-Christian tradition is so complex, encompassing individualism, liberalism, socialism, rationalism and a host of other isms too numerous to mention.

135 loppyd

Being in New York I too ahve the ame problem being surrounded by LLL types. Also most of the movie reviewers even in the conservative Ne York Post (similar to the Boston Herald) are liberal, I have to read between the lines. We need to write a survival guide for being politically and culturally sane and survive in LA, NY, SF, Philly, Boston and Washington DC!

Probably posted on a previous thread, but worth posting again...

How Can Someone Who Lives in Insane Luxury Be a Star in Today's World? -- Ben Stein

I no longer think Hollywood stars are terribly important. They are uniformly pleasant, friendly people, and they treat me better than I deserve to be treated. But a man or woman who makes a huge wage for memorizing lines and reciting them in front of a camera is no longer my idea of a shining star we should all look up to.

#133 Babba Zee
#136 Joel

This has been an issue in my office every Friday since Lent began. So gross. I'm too much of a wuss to say anything.

Bigel, your #3- Ah ha!

What, get rid of the USA's biggest export since the demise of manufacturing?

138 BabbaZee

they should be forced to work in the mud making bricks without the benefit of having straw provided for them.

Since it was mentioned, the tribute to dead movie types might have been a good place to recognize T. van Gogh. But does there have to be a Hollywood connection? and did he have one? Also Reagan was first on the tribute; they usually save the best for last - Marlon Brando.

Million dollar baby is a joke, more innacurate crap from hollywood, first off, Hillary skank would have won by disqualification due to the obvious foul that paralyzed her. Secondly they pull the plug on her and the mercy killer walks scott free? Stupid...I refuse to pay to see hollywood drivel anymore.

#144 Joel
Yes. They can glean straw from the fields at night. Their quota remains the same.

131 thinkingmom

I don't view my movies through the prism of "religiously correct." If Eastwood is a non-believer, and his movies reflect that non-belief, that doesn't make them any less powerful.

Clarence Page had a thoughtful piece last week, about the suicide of Hunter Thompson, in which he made much the same point as Hibbs is making. Religion is fine, for people who get something from it. For many of us, though, it doesn't make sense, and we don't need it. Doesn't mean we lead worthless, amoral, or self-destructive lives, though...at least, not any more than the religious folks do!

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Microwaved pork rinds? They must be deep fried!

#140 Joel

I get the Herald every morning, but the reviews are still suspect.

Ooooh, I love the handbook idea! It could include chapters on how to handle your loony left family members at family functions, how to respond to your idiotic boss when he makes fun of the president, how to tell your roommate nicely that her Kerry-Edwards sticker really needs to be peeled off at this point...to name a few!

#131 thinkingmom

I think that the price Clint paid for being accepted by Hollywood was to turn his back on his Dirty Harry values. Eastwood went mainstream with Bridges of Madison County, Bird, etc. Even in his movie "In the Line of Fire" he made some remarks that were definitely not conservative such as "running drugs for the contras." When I heard that I said to myelf "WTF is wrong with Clint"?

I remember Clint from the Rawhide days when he was a young good looking guy. Man he got old!

Today's Chicago Tribune Tempo Section:

[What jokes worked (Rock):

Chris Rock's jab at Pres. Bush. in "Things you could never get away with at your job at the Gap."

What didnt:

Rock going to Magic Johnson cineplex and asking moviegoers to name their favorite films.]

Didnt see the first bit, cant imagine that it was funny. I saw most of the second bit and thought it was funny. Rock asked some black people if they had seen Million Dollar Baby, Aviator, Sideways, etc. They looked at him like he was crazy. But, I never saw any of those movies either, neither did anyone I know. Maybe their good, I dont know, but they didnt motivate me to spend $40+ to go see them. What did they like? White Chicks and Chronicles of Riddick. Never saw White Chicks, but I thought Chronicles of Riddick was good. The bit was supposed to illustrate the disconnect between white people and black people, but I think it better illustrated the disconnect between the so-called intellectuals and the rest of America.

146 coward kerry

Ever hear of something called "the willing suspension of disbelief," sir? It makes enjoying movies a whole lot easier, if you don't get your undies in a twist 'cuz a guy is smoking filter-tips in a WWI epic.

But, you're entitled to your opinion. I stand by mine. "Baby" is a GREAT movie!

#146 CowardKerry

So I guess I don't need to see it now that I know the ending.

:)

#142 loppyd

Go get a huge can of lysol and run around spraying it every time. You don't have to say a thing! LOL!

#7

and ditto. I can not bring myself to pay the $7 to go see a movie knowing that these assholes would benifit from it.

I don't see movies at the theatre anymore. I rent from Blockbuster then, uhm, time shift them, if you know what I mean.

150 loppyd

All the problems you have (with the exception of LLL family members since I unfortunately have no family - they have all passed on) I have. I do not think I could live with a roommate who is very very politcally left wing. I had an opprtunity to move in with a female friend but she was so leftist extremist that I just thought why should I hide my politics? As for bosses, my boss is one year older then me and very nice but she is a "red diaper baby" whose parents were commies back in the "old days." Every day she has some leftist political message written on her blackboard. At times I long to move to a red state. Actually the term "red State" should be applied to the Democratic states for obvious reasons.

While the Oscars were playing on another channel, my wife and I were watching Law and Order on NBC. It was a repeat of Dennis Farina's first episode, the one where everyone's favorite pro-war actor Ron Silver plays a lawyer trying to defend an Iraqi woman who murders a US reservist who had served at Abu Ghraib. Also, recall that ex-GOP Senator Fred Thompson is now a star of the show.

I hadn't seen it when it was broadcast the first time, but I was happily amazed at the way the show presented the various lines of philosophy on the war, on the prison scandal, and the "insurgency," and in the end there was no question that murder is murder.

The plot was actually a little crude -- tough to discuss the Iraq war in a single hour-long episode -- but I liked it. (There was even an Iraqi pumping gas at a Manhattan station who told the detectives something to the effect of Abu Ghraib was a problem when Saddam was running it, not the US.)

I'm betting NBC knew exactly what it was doing, that people who didn't want to watch the Hollywood lovefest at the Oscars would want to watch something more to their taste in Law and Order, and not only that, but an episode that went straight to the heart of the Iraq war.

Good job by NBC.

Happily boycotted the event. Can't imagine I missed much--if anything--of value.

#139 BPP

(b) The Theo van Gogh murder is not a major story in the United States

That's probably the bottom line. If they had included him, virtually everyone would be asking, "Theo who?"

His murder got about as much attention from the MSM as the murder of the Coptic family did. Which is to say, none.

I like many kind of movies - even Steven Seagal's ones, at times, go figure. But what pisses me off are boring and repetitive stories. I like special effects when they're functional to the story, and not the other way around.

#32

What did G.C. Scott say?

In ten days I'll have us at war with these sons-a-bitches and make it look like it was their fault!

150 loppyd

Another problem I have here in New York is when I meet women (lwhen ooking to find someone whom I can go out with), they all start mouthing left wing Bush hating platitudes. Soemtimes I wonder if they really believe it or just feel as if since the vast majority of the residents of Gotham are left-liberals that you might as well fit in.

162 Fabio C.

I hate movies (think Ron Howard) that are so long and preachy that you are squirming in your seats saying to yourself "when will this be over already."

#148 Octopus

I don't view my movies through the prism of "religiously correct." If Eastwood is a non-believer, and his movies reflect that non-belief, that doesn't make them any less powerful.

No one says you have to only watch movies that fit your definition of "religiously correct." The Hibbs article is merely pointing out that the movie that Hollywood celebrated last night is nihilistic. Can't be a boxing celebrity? Quality of life not good? Have someone kill you. While this worldview is certainly pervasive today, especially in "Old (and literally dying) Europe," it is in direct opposition to Judeo-Christian principle of the sanctity of human life. And, surprise, surprise, it also suits the nihilism of islamofacism, with its celebration of death.

O.K. here's what I think. The left is silent because deep down, they want the Islamofascists to get rid of those pesky Jews and Christians. They really hate Judeo-Christian principles. This is why the NOW gang is silent also. It suits their agenda.

You are right. It's just a slight variation of the old saw, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The problem they have, and they don't even seem to know that they have it, is the head-rolling carnage that these Islamofacsists have in store for Hollywood limousine liberals down the road if they were to get their way. And it's only the conservative Christians and Jews that are standing up and saving them from that fate.

But I think that there's one other thing at work in Hollywood's ignoring Van Gogh. Not any of them wants to speak out, draw attention to themselves individually, and then end up like him. Fear. On one level or another, fear.

Joel -

Can we move to Montana? Please?

#119

CowardKerry,

The amazing thing is that Hollywood is actually one of the biggest reasons IslamoFacists hate America. Our culture is polluting their culture. They would love nothing more to strike at that, no matter how much Hollywood dispises IFs nemesis (Bush).

Haven't been to a show in years -- can no longer stand those people who hate America. Haven't watched the Oscars ever -- so boring. However, I was happy for Clint Eastwood.

Remember these same LLLs complained it was gaudy, immoral, obscene, inappropriate and unconscionable in time of war for the US to celebrate the President's inauguration and have parties where people dressed up?

And Arnold Schwartzenegger has the nerve to come begging for debt relief for a state that does facelifts with your tax dollar.

Can you imagine if the wahhabis ever got a hold of HOllywood? It would be Headlesswood.

Fox reran the Battle for Fallujah last night--seeing Lt. Blecksmith lead his men & die after seeing him play the ArmyNavy game in 2003 was too much, but his fellow Marine from that battle got to escort Pres. & Mrs. Bush to Inaugural ball for military troops. God bless the real stars looking out for us.

Hollywood's much vaunted 'generosity' is a vehicle for stars to be seen to be seen doing...whatever. They don't really give a fat fig about whatever causes they're espousing. Maybe a few do but the rest find it a convenient vehicle for getting their names in the news. End of story. Hollywood...[spit]

Oh yes, also preachy movies are boring.

I think I will attract some criticism, but I think that Leni Riefenstahl was a director of great, innovative talent, who irreversibly changed cinema.

168 BabbaZee

Can we move to Montana, please

You are on! I loved Montana and Wyoming.

#174 Joel
Wyoming works too.
Yippee-Kai-Ay!

Gabba:
Good call.

I watched only the opening monolog and then this morning caught a short snipet of the Robin Williams bit that reportedly was toned down by the show's producers because of its potential to offend gays.

From a Hollywood prespective, bashing the President in front of a worldwide audience, making jokes about bloody GAP/Banana Republic apparal while U.S. soldiers bleed for real in Iraq is OK, but showing insensitivity to the 'alternate lifestylers'is a no-no.

Typical of the F'ed-in-the-Head Hollywoodites.

#153 octopus

I agree with you about suspension of disbelief. But for some things, it become increasingly more difficult to do. As an example, I can't watch a Rock Hudson movie. I may find Streisand believable in Meet the Fokkers, but I won't pay to see her.

119 CowardKerry

I think it's a paradox, but the enablers of terrorism vis a vis their political remarks are the very ones who prod them to terrorism with their exports (movies with and about sex and decadence) Don't get me wrong, I like to watch those kind of movies. But the mullahs who hate our culture would have to put the liberal left in Hollywood at the top of their list, not to mention the so call fact that the industry is run by Jews or should I say Jooos. My point is maybe it IS a bit more complex than we usually make it. I think that Hollywood should realize that too.

Rowdy Yates isn't the only one who got old.
It takes too long for me to type, so this is probably my last post.

/perspective

175 BabbaZee

I also promised oneof the posters here from NC that I would check the Tar Heel State out as well. Anything to get out of the liberal left wing New York mindset.

#153,

No problem, lots of people who are ignorant of facts enjoy lot of poor movies. I prefer to pay for a quality well researched and presented product.

Mitt Romney the Republican governor of Massachusetts (believe it or not) cracked a few jokes about being the only R politician in his state full of Dems like Kerry, Kennedy and their congressional reps. (Though gotta salute Dem. Rep. Barney Frank for confronting CNN loon Eason Jordan in Davos--may he knock off Teddy or JFNKerry & become Senator)

CSPAN broadcast his speech down in South Carolina, another state crowing about having gone from blue to red, and for Bush early. (In retrospect good thing McCain lost there.)

May red spread north & to both coasts.

"You wonder if the organizers even discussed it—and if they did, what excuse was used to avoid the subject."

They were thinking that discussing it might strengthen the war on terror and might offend Moslems. Since Hollywood is allied with Islam against the war on terror, what did you expect?

Plus, you really expected that pack of gasbags to stand up for the freedom of expression of a filmmaker who took a non-Leftist point of view? How naive. For the Left and Hollywood, it's "freedom of speech for me, but not for thee."

#155 Babba Zee

Thanks for the tip...I'll be armed this Friday.

" Hollywood will start making movies about the racist Dutch and their oppression of the Muslims."

I'm surprised that they haven't already.

160 Thom

His murder got about as much attention from the MSM as the murder of the Coptic family did. Which is to say, none.

That's a total exaggeration. There have been stories in the New York Times, The New Yorker, The New Republic, CNN, The Economist, Time to name just the ones I've seen.

You can argue that the coverage places too little emphasis on the pathologies in the Dutch Muslim community and too much emphasis on the the-Dutch-used-to-be-so-tolerant-and-look-at-them- now storyline. I agree that's often been the case. But it hasn't been ignored.

As for the Coptic family, if the NJ authorities tie it to a blood feud between Christians and Muslims, then it'll be a big story. So far they seem to think it's something else.

#184 loppyd

LOL! Let them bring tuna sandwiches, for G-d's sake!

Watching this shit legitimizes it. Don't.

#180 Joel
OK I'll be your 3rd wife then. North-West I must go!

QueenEsther #95 - F#ck yeah! Team America was the last movie I saw in a theater, before that, Master and Commander.

161 Iron Fist

Wasn't it just last year that Leni Riefenstahl was mentioned in their montage of "great" artists? Of course, it's not like she was a Republican or anything awful like that.

no, just a Nazi whore. They overlook that because they are blinded by her "artistry," just like Hitler wanted them to be.

189 BabbaZee

You will always be first!

It is demoralizing to feel as if you are the only sane person (politically) in this city. The eveidence of group think that I witnessed last year during the election is so disheartening. the political diversity here is reminiscent of Leningrad circa 1956.

Off to lunch.

Movies today are pure garbage, all the greats are dead, Lee marvin, Richard widmark, I could go on and on...

Notice how many movies these days have the same plot? Guy bets guy he can date the class nerd, class nerd finds out, they fall in love anyway. At least 5 movies in past two years had this plot. No imagination in hollywood anymore. Plus all the remakes of TV shows and movies, all of them being horrible. Until the paying public says enough they will continue with the same old garbage.

189 BabbaZee

Three wives! Wow I could never even find one!

Robin Williams is just embarrassing now, his stream of conscience schtck was getting old in 93... HELLO! Dustin Hoffman drunk and slurring was entertaining... Chris Rock was mediocre to good. WHITE CHICKS RULE! Of course no one said anything about Theo Van Gogh, are you kidding me... that would have been REAL, and I mean REAL controversial, and that my friends, does not dress well in an evening gown and diamonds...

193 Coward Kerry

Everything seems to be a Ben Stiller "comedy."

Actors who seem to be in every movie:

1. Nicholas Cage
2. Samuel L. Jackson
3. John Travolta
4. Johnny Depp
5. Ben Stiller

#157 & #164 Joel

Most of my immediate family are quite conservative so I'm lucky in that respect. Some of the more distant relatives are bleeding heart liberals, but I only see them on the big holidays. As far as the roommate goes, she was a friend of a friend and we were both looking for apartments at the same time. I had NO IDEA how crazy liberal she was until it was too late. We've gotten into some pretty heated arguments about politics and world views, especially during the election year. I volunteered for BC'04 and kept it from her until a month before the election - not because I was ashamed, but to avoid the friction that I knew it would cause. Had I known her views I never would have shared living space with her.

As far as dating goes, I feel your pain. One of the major reasons for the demise of my last relationship was our diametrically opposing political views. Now I get it right out in the open from the get go.

#181 Coward Kerry
That was uncalled for. Watching movies often calls for a suspension of disbelif as does reading a good sci fi yarn. Just because you're able to do these things doesn't mean that you are ignorant.

#196

Actors who seem to be in every movie:

Colin Farrell was in about 600 movies over the past few years. I'm glad that Meg Ryan ran her course, though. She's getting too old (by Hollyweird standards, anyway)

"The (Academy Awards) ceremonies are a two-hour meat parade, a public display with contrived suspense for economic reasons." - George C. Scott

#181
ignorant of facts is not ignorant overall. Learn how to read, I called no one ignorant. Get over it.

I think Richard Widmark is still alive

Last message was for harley . sorry.

#202 no he's dead.

It would be interesting to see whom Hollywood would choose to star in "Theo Van Gogh: The Movie". My choice would be Sean Penn. If there's one "hot-head" in Hollywood who always seems to be losing his head--- ironically, it's him!

I don't see movies at the theatre anymore. I rent from Blockbuster then, uhm, time shift them, if you know what I mean.

Where'd you get your VCR? "Time shifting" rented movies doesn't work very satisfactorily with most VCRs sold in the States, because of the Macrovision copy protection, which causes the brightness levels to cycle up and down when you playback the copy. (The Macrovision code is built in to most commercial VHS tapes and DVDs -- the major exception, to my knowledge, being porn titles, which can be copied with excellent results.)

204

No he's alive

Richard Widmark

[Link: www.imdb.com...] does not list a date of death for Richard Widmark. I think he is still alive. He is one of my favorite actors. "Panic in the City" a great movie with Jack Palance as the plague carrying villain.

#204 I stand corrected, you get my gist though. All the greats are dead or dying/not working anymore.

Richard Widmark was once Sandy Koufax' father-in-law

Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh was murdered by ___ terrorists for making a film about ___ rape, abuse, and enslavement of women.

Fill in the blank with certain words and he would have won all kinds of awards.

Fill in the blank with the correct word, "islamic" or "Muslim", and his film and his murder are ignored by the entire industry.

I don't believe they even showed his name and photo in the "In Memorium" section, did they?

Must have been thinking of William Holden, I am only 39 but I miss the old greats.

#199 locutus

How can I have forgotten Jude Law who appeared in 6 films last year!

#206

Where'd you get your VCR? "Time shifting" rented movies doesn't work very satisfactorily with most VCRs sold in the States, because of the Macrovision copy protection, which causes the brightness levels to cycle up and down when you playback the copy. (The Macrovision code is built in to most commercial VHS tapes and DVDs -- the major exception, to my knowledge, being porn titles, which can be copied with excellent results.)

What you say is true, if you're using an analog method...

Movies have little or no plot now, it's all about shock value or explosions

Actors in all the movies: What about the Robert Redford lookalike who was in Starski and Hutch, the Royal Tennenbaums, and Shainghia Knights? I can't think of his name?

#216

Actors in all the movies: What about the Robert Redford lookalike who was in Starski and Hutch, the Royal Tennenbaums, and Shainghia Knights? I can't think of his name?

Luke or Owen Wilson (I get them mixed up). Good one.

I will say that Renee Zellwiger is a fine little actress, Not sure about her political leanings which can be a turn-off, but she can act. She looked like hell last night though Yuck.

197 loppyd

I can empathize with everything you wrote. My friend hid her poltiics unitl she started pushing for me to go see Fahrenheit 9/11. What botehered me was the fact that she did not even make a subtle attempt to find ut where I stood on the issues. She jsut assuemd taht I was a left/libearl. I registed for some roomamte services (online) and a lto of them would put in thier description "Don't even think of living here if you plan on voting for W. in November, you would not like it here." I wanted to write back thanks for the heads up Comrade, this must be some of that liberal tolerance I have read so much about." Trying to find a conservative roommamte in the People Republic of Massachussetts must be tough with Teddy Kennedy as "The Maximum Leader" there.

I find the use of computer generated special effects distracting. Although acting seems to be generally better overall in movies today, the content and character is most often lacking.

Chris Rock has redefined the expression " Rock Bottom.

Just like Moore, Rock thinks he has a captive audience when he hijacks the Oscars as a political soapbox. If he were witty or clever I could forgive him, but he is neither. It was a bald attempt to abuse the public.

My television grows more obsolete by minute.

197 loppyd

I volunteered for BC'04 and kept it from her until a month before the election - not because I was ashamed, but to avoid the friction that I knew it would cause. Had I known her views I never would have shared living space with her.

I am the same way. I hate friction at home or in the office. However it is funny how the other side never goes out of its way to avoid friction. One of the reasons I turned down sharing the apartment with her was that I felt that ultimately I would slip after being bombarded by leftist crap and we would have a spat and I would have to move out. Or maybe one day she would catch me gasp watching Fox News or reading National Review and it would strain the living situation to the point that she would ask (or demand) that I move.

Yeah, rock compares soldiers dying to a clothing outlet then throws in the "we support you line at the end". #uck you Rock. You might as well have come out and said you guys are fighting for nothing. Screw Hollywood a$$holes...

Yeah, Owen Wilson-- that's his name.
Renee Zellwigger is a good actress (My best Andy Rooney, "Ever notice how actresses call themselves actors now?")She is a horrible talk show guest like so many of the blank canvasses that only seem to have a life on screen.

#217 locutus
That would be Owen Wilson. Also Robert DiNero seems to be in every other movie that comes out.

#219 Joel

Isn't it bewildering that people just assume you're a liberal? It happens to me all of the time around here. It's very frustrating. I see that you have considered a move to NC. One of my favorite places in the USA. My cousin's husband is a pilot stationed at Cherry Point, NC (currently in Iraq) and I get down there a few times each year. They live in New Bern. It's a lovely place.

Don't get me started on Teddy Kennedy...or any Kennedy for that matter.

#186 BPP

I don't think it's such an exaggeration. Just google "Theo van Gogh" and see what turns up. It doesn't speak well of the MSM.

Owen Wilson is great but ... what's with his nose?

I'm willing to give Rock the benefit of the doubt because I like him. I think he was just trying to be funny. As I said earlier, it isn't his venue. He also was not funny on SNL--not his venue. I don't doubt that he is liberal. but most of his observations are meant to be shocking and funny. Sometimes we just can't suspend disbelief. Same with Clint Eastwood. He tackled a controversial subject in euthenasia, but I think he still has many conservative values. Maybe it's being tainted by Hollywood, or maybe he figures he's closer to that stroke than he was twenty years ago.

#222 Joel

I hate confrontation and I have a very long wick, but beware if you burn it to the end...especially when it comes to someone questioning my integrity or values. My roommate learned this lesson the hard way.

And just because I'm a little bit vindictive, I programmed Fox News into the favorites on our cable remote. Now she has to flip to that to get to CNN. Ha!

226 loppyd

They assume because if you come across as well read, well spoken, and educated - that you must be a liberal, and woe unto you if you are not! They will get in your face until you can count their filings. Also being from NY or MA they just assume you are one of the apparatchniks and in my case being Jewish also in a sense makes them think that I am a liberal. In a way you and I and BabbaZee etc. are the real nonconformists in that we refuse to go with the flow and we maintain our intellectual integrity. Life would be easier I guess as a New Yorker if I were a Howard Dean lunatic but I refuse to do that and if it means that I am alone then so be it. I console myself in the knowledge that while inNew York I am a minority, in the rest of the coutnry I am in the majority and that it is a huge country between Boston and San Francisco.

Rock is not only a flaming liberal, I think he is a racist in comedians clothing, very easy to play it off in that situation.

Further to #227 -

And concerning the Copts, BPP, you have to admit there's been an almost total news blackout that seems to get darker even as the islamic connection becomes more and more obvious.

230 loppyud

I wish you success in crushing her "intifada" against you.

LOL

Too bad I could not have found a roommate such as yourself. I am the easiest person in the world to get along with but I hate being hectored and confronted.

#232 CowardKerry

Rock is just a filthy minded limited talented assh@@@. A few years ago he made a "joke" about Elia Kazan being a 'rat' Kazan is 100 times more talented thaen he could ever be.

#231 Joel

On my last job (which I walked out of) the owner came up to me and said
"Hey I heard you voted for Bush. How can someone as smart as you are be so stupid?"
What a maroon.

#228 Thom
YEA! What is with that schnozz?

I really feel for you Blue staters, I would probably lose it and go postal on some of those moonies.

#237 Babba Zee

Unbelievable! Is that why you walked out?

You wonder if the organizers even discussed it—and if they did, what excuse was used to avoid the subject.

I wonder, with their heads up their self-centered asses, if they even knew about Van Gogh.

Actually, I don't wonder at all.

He didn't affect them and can't admire and worship them, so of course he never came up on their radar. Even in death.

Worthless overpaid wankers.

#234 Joel

Let me know if you ever decide to take the plunge and make the move to NC. We could host Republican fundraisers without the shades drawn!

243 loopyd

We would be breathing the fresh air of FREEDOM!

#180 Joel

I believe that was me, darlin' -- and the Tar Heel State will not disappoint. We haven't got that lovely land and vistas as Montana -- but we do have the Outer Banks!

166 thinkingmom

The movie was hardly "a celebration of death," despite what some of the conservative Christian pundits are saying. It's got zippo to do with Islamofascism, either, not even in a subjective, indirect sense.

The idea of assisted suicide is still a big bugaboo for a lot of people. I understand the "sanctity of life," too, and I'm a big believer in that, but I've got a living will in place for myself. I don't want to spend 20-30 years being kept alive by machines, thanks very much, but no thanks.

237 BabbaZee

If you did that to a Kerry voter they would bring you up on "hate crimes." Again that boss must be part of the Toelarnt Party that I ahve read so much about (but never witnessed). In my departmetn of about 35 people there were I think (including myself and LGF poster Lawhawk) 6 Bush voters. Need I say more that we 6 are the brightest people in the department.

245 Carolina Girl

Mea culpa how can I have forgotten you? Probably because I think of you stuck in exiel in Berkeley. I would like the Carolinas since I enjoy Revolutionary War and Civil WAr History quite a bit.

#240 Rayra

We've all wasted our time with BPP, Lord of the Idiots.

Did you catch BPPs condescending "explanation" of why "it" felt qualified to tell another poster that they didn't understand what is meant by "Judeo-Christian?

The Judeo-Christian tradition is so complex, encompassing individualism, liberalism, socialism, rationalism and a host of other isms too numerous to mention.

Everybody stay tuned for when BPP explains atomic particle acceleration!

#244 Joel

Free at last, free at last!

LOL that you typed "loopyd" because it is very apropos.

#195 don't be that guy

I've noticed that Williams is recycling the same schtick and lines all the time.

#206 Throbert McGee

Hate to sound ignorant, but what is "time shifting" and how is it significant? (Because it's important to learn "something new every day!")

250 loppyd

I am something of a terrible typer and am too lazy to preview it. Yes one day we will breathe the fresh air of freedom and will no longer reside in these Orwellian states where good is evil, peace is war, etc.

#247 Joel

He was a deranged mental case, as is par for that course. Sigh. He's lucky I didn't whack him with my fool-be-gone stick!

#249 traveler
Everybody stay tuned for when BPP explains atomic particle acceleration!

LOL! Which is why I didn't bother to re-address it.

#241 loppyd

No but it was strike 2.
Two weeks later came strike 3, and out the door I went.
He was unhinged, and I became his target.

Stopped watching the narcissist festival when a digusting horror movie ran away with all the major awards:

www.imdb.com/title/tt0102926

I think 1992 was also the year when it appeared Tim Robbins was going to explode on stage from moral puffery.

#253 Joel

Without the fear of your car being vandalized because you have a Bush-Cheney '04 bumper sticker!

Without the fear of being yelled at in the produce section of the local market for wearing a W'04 t-shirt!

Without the fear of getting the evil eye from the wrap-around-skirt wearing volunteers at the polling place when you ask for a Republican ballot on primary day!

I could go on.

No worries - my college roommate called me loopy.

#248 Joel

Flyboy and I have a five-year plan. Sell our home for enough money to buy outright in Goldsboro or Fayetteville. Work Aisle 4 at the Home Depot.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Chris Rock made a name for himself in the industry by being one of the leading Clinton sycophants.

Hate to sound ignorant, but what is "time shifting" and how is it significant?

In the industry jargon of those who manufacturer, sell, or write about VCRs (and these days, TiVos and DVD-Rs), "time shifting" means "recording a TV show so you can watch it at a more convenient time." It particularly implies that you plan to watch the recorded show once or twice and then record over it, rather than "archiving" it as a permanent addition to your video library.

(E.g., one marketing exec to another: "Our user surveys show that most consumers buy VCRs to watch pre-recorded rentals or to archive episodes of their favorite shows, not for time-shifting.")

Locutus was using it as a humorous euphemism for "dubbing Blockbuster rentals," which is of course against the rules.

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"Mr.Theo van Gogh's son is a kid now. A kid who is suffering that violent act of somebody with an irresponsible point of view
Of somebody with no human spirit;but he has all the reasons to believe on his father as a strong man with respect for life and for democratic rigths for all. He has all the reasons to be proud of the father he had!"

Van Gogh was murdered in the early morning of Tuesday November 2, 2004, in Amsterdam in front of the Amsterdam East borough office (stadsdeelkantoor) on the corner of the Linnaeusstraat and Tweede Oosterparkstraat streets. He was shot with seven bullets and died on the spot. His throat was slit, and he was then stabbed in the chest. Two knives were left inplanted in his torso, one pinning a 5 page note to his body.

Until his death Van Gogh was working on a movie (0605) about the murder of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn.
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An artist has been killed in his way to the work,when he was driving his bicycle... It says it all.
Van Gogh was born in The Hague. His great-grandfather was art-dealer Theo van Gogh, brother of the famous Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh. After dropping out of law school he became a stage manager. He debuted as a director with the movie Luger (1981). He received a Gouden Kalf ("Golden Calf", the Dutch equivalent of the Oscar) for Blind Date (1996) and In het belang van de staat ("In the Interest of the State", 1997). As an actor he appeared in the production De noorderlingen ("The Northerners", 1992). After that, he worked for television and wrote provocative columns for Metro and other newspapers.

His last book (2003) was Allah weet het beter ("Allah Knows Best") in which he - in his typical cynical, mocking tone - presented his views on Islam. He was a well-known critic of Islam, especially after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. He supported the nomination of liberal, Somalian-born female politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali for Dutch parliament. As of 2004, she is a Member of Parliament for the Liberal Party (VVD).

Together with Hirsi Ali, van Gogh created the 10-minute movie Submission. The film is about violence against women in Islamic societies, and focuses especially on female circumcision. It shows four abused women, naked under see-through dresses with Qur'an texts in Arabic, unfavourable to women, painted on their bodies. After the movie was released, both van Gogh and Hirsi Ali received death threats. Van Gogh did not take these very seriously and refused any protection.

Van Gogh was a member of the Dutch republican society Republikeins Genootschap (anti-monarchic).

Works

Van Gogh contributed to various newspapers and magazines, often leaving these jobs after a quarrel.

He published the following books:
* Engel ("Angel", 1990)
* Er gebeurt nooit iets ("Nothing Ever Happens", 1993)
* Sla ik mijn vrouw wel hard genoeg? ("Do I Beat My Wife Hard Enough?", 1996)
* Allah weet het beter ("Allah Knows Best", 2003)

Filmography
* Luger (1982)
* Een dagje naar het strand ("A Day at the Beach", 1984)
* Charley (1986)
* Terug naar Oegstgeest ("Back to Oegstgeest", 1987)
* Loos ("Wild", 1989)
* Vals licht ("False Light", 1993)
* Ilse verandert de geschiedenis ("Ilse Changes History", 1993)
* 06 (1994)
* Reunie ("Reunion", 1994)
* Eva (1994)
* Een galerij: De wanhoop van de sirene ("A Gallery: The Despair of the Siren", 1994)
* De Eenzame Oorlog Van Koos Tak ("Koos Tak's Lonely War", 1995)
* Blind Date (1996)
* Hoe ik mijn moeder vermoordde ("How I Killed My Mother", 1996)
* In het belang van de staat ("In the Interest of the State", 1997)
* Au ("Ouch", 1997)
* De Pijnbank ("The Torture Bench", 1998)
* Baby Blue (2001)
* De nacht van Aalbers ("Aalbers's Night", 2001)
* Najib en Julia (2002)
* Interview (2003)
* Zien ("Seeing", 2004)
* Submission (2004)
* Cool (2004)
* 0605 (planned for release in 2004)
* Medea (planned for release in 2005)
* (Bad (unfinished; production was planned for 2005)

I haven't read all of the thread yet.
As to what traveler @ 249 posted about BPPs convulted information about judeo-christianity, the whole reason behind
this history is to save souls. Jesus Christ was a Jew. He died a Jew. His death was to do one thing...to save our souls.
His goal and His success.

Ah. Thank you. I was hoping it was a magical way to transport me back in time to a year when movies were, you know, GOOD.

Has anyone noticed that movies seem to fall into one of three categories now? 1) movies based on a television show (usually a great TV show turned into a CRAP movie); 2) remake of a movie that did well previously, except now we can put lots of swearing, sex and special effects into it, where the original movie had to rely on dialog and the talent of the actors; and 3) yet another sequel (or prequel) to a movie that originially did boffo business but now has been followed by so many sequels/prequels that you have completely forgotten how good the first movie was.

#100 baier:

You're a member of the Screen Actors Guild?

Well then I'm glad I left that 10% niche for actors like you!

:^)

#265 yeah I posted something similar earlier, Hollywood has no imagination anymore, Cheaper to do &hitty re-makes and let the uninformed lap them up like dogs.

If the Academy had any cojones--which it doesn't--it would have nominated Van Gogh's film for an award.

(Also, don't know if anyone has noticed that the Razzies, the annual unofficial award for the worst movies of the year, also took some pot shots at Bush. It gave the Prez the award for worst performance by an actor for his turn in Michael Moore's execrable documentary (what a knee-slapper) and lambasted the admittedly less-than-Einsteinian Britney Spears for her pro-Bush comments.

268 Scaramouche

I noticed the razzies ahd Busha s the worst actor, which is ridiculous since he was not acting.

#267 CowardKerry

Although I will give them credit that the animated movies are better in that they are lots of fun to watch and have seriously good plots. I am of two minds as to computer generated animation, but I have to say I loved "Finding Nemo" and "Shark Tale."

The only downside? You spend a lot of time trying to match the actor to the voice you're listening to (okay, well, I do -- because I apparently am anal). Which makes me wonder -- do we really need big-name actors playing a carrot?

A lot of interesting suggestions have been made about the omission of Theo van Gogh's murder, but I made it down to the bottom of the thread without seeing this one:

Most of the Hollywood establishment was not even aware of it. Didn't register on their radar screens. For all their "we are the world" posturing, liberals in my experience are far more provincial than conservatives. It is the latter much more than the former, who, without prompting, could give you a convincing summary of the Peloponnesian War, the rise of the merchant families in Renaissance Italy, or the breakdown of the Ottoman Empire. Although you are more likely to run into an LLL in sandals with a backpack in a place like Guatemala.

The entertainment wing of the LLL latch on to trendy causes some of which are international in nature: free Tibet, for instance. But many of them are very clueless.

Here's the Razzies link.

265 Carolina Girl

The worst remake ahd to have been The Manchurian Candidate. What was once an anti Communist novel and movie was transformedd into an anti cpitalist anti Amrican film with the enemy being not the Communists but a Haliburton type of company. Another crap move was Al Gore's favorite "The Day After" or soemthing to that affect about the Earth freezing.

#270

Don't feel bad Anal im my middle name,. ;-)

#273 Joel

I concur and I rest my case - my roommate loooved that movie.

#273 Joel

Ah yes, with Meryl Streep as the Hillary Clinton look-alike. Because why? Lawrence Harvey didn't do a disturbing enough portrayal in the original?

I'm looking forward to the remake of "Seven Days in May" when a general tries to take over the United States for the Greater Glory of Halliburton.

Nutty prof, wild wild west, Blues brohter 2 all sucked bad...I could go on. Oh caddyshack 2 please!

259 Carolina Girl

I would sell pulled pork sandwiches at the local diner if I coud get out of NY. Iwas once in Fayetteville driving up from MIami.

276 Carolina Girl

I forgot about Seven Days in May. A perfect movie remake for people who hate America. Meryl Streep is one of the worst annoying liberals in Hollyweird.

#277 CK

Although, I have to say that DieHard 2 wasn't too bad as sequels go. Although as I said to a friend when we saw it -

"So explain this to me again - they have them circling Dulles and National instead of landing at Memphis, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Charleston and Columbia? Okay...because I'm thinking planes running out of fuel over the nation's capitol is something the FAA would be cool with."

275 loppyd

I am starting to fall for you, we think alike! LOL

My "friend" June (the uber leftie) wanted me to see that crap but I said I had something else to do. Goo dthing it closed after like 3 days.

#278 Joel

Pulled pork samiches would be a big seller down South. We can teach you Suthin'ese in no time.

The American pie sequels were also decent.

227 Thom

I don't think it's such an exaggeration. Just google "Theo van Gogh" and see what turns up. It doesn't speak well of the MSM.

True, but Theo van Gogh himself is not the essence of the story.

The piece in the New Yorker by Ian Buruma was quite good I thought, whereas the piece in the New Republic was much worse, but then it was written by a Guardian writer.

Going to Pot

As for the NJ story, the only evidence that it was Muslims comes from Jihad Watch, based on one person's account, which was then amplified by Daniel Pipes. Maybe the NJ authorities are ignoring this or maybe they don't want to go public until they have reached some conclusions. I don't know.

But this article in the NY Times seems to indicate that they are not closing off the possibility of a Muslim attack:

The police are examining whether an Islamic Web site played a role in the slaying of a Christian Egyptian family who were found dead last month in their Jersey City Heights home. The site, barsomyat.com, monitored critics of Islam who used a chat service called PalTalk.com. Hossam Armanious, 47, often posted in PalTalk under the user name I Love Jesus, according to his family. John Conway, an F.B.I. spokesman, said the authorities were investigating reports that the site featured comments referring to him as a ''filthy dog.''

#279 Joel

If I recall correctly, Miz Streep made some Bush bashing comments at the Golden Globes last year.

Later people, gotta run. BTW I knew a girl from SC...Whooo hooo smokin!

282 Carolina Girl

Actually I would like to open up a Kosher delicatessan and sell delicious but artery clogging:

Corned Beef, Pastrami, Brisket of Beef sandwiches with Matzah Ball and Kreplach soup.