Of course it's the jihad.

It's all one war.

I think most of us at LGF get this. And of course, the common denominator in Al Qaeda is fundamental Islam.

I find this stunning, in an Occam's razor sort of way.

It never occurred to me that AQ felt that Mecca was out of their control. I mean, how different would it be if they were running it?

Maybe I am just slow . . .

They believe, ultimately, that the greatest prize of all is Saudi Arabia and the holy shrines there.

I don’t suppose that Saudi oil reserves would have anything to do with al Qaeda’s goals.

It's every jihadist's goal to drive every westerner and western idea out of the middle east and Asia...and then they'll come after the rest of us. They must be stopped.

What he said:

“a rare opportunity to get in front of these extremists and focus on them now before al Qaeda and its underlying ideology becomes mainstream.”

What he means: “a rare opportunity to get in front of these extremists and kill them now before al Qaeda and its underlying ideology becomes mainstream.”

this truth-speaker must be discredited and demoted immediately
the people must not realize that al Qaeda exists

/Michael Moore out

Gen. Abizaid raised the stakes for Iraq by presenting a chilling assessment of al Qaeda's worldwide goals. He said leader Osama bin Laden's sights are set on Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and then the entire region, as well as Asia.

I know that this is a Washington Times article, but the writer says chilling, like he never heard of this goal before.

Then he mentions "worldwide", but eases it by mentioning Arabia and Asia.

I just can't see how this guy should be called a journalist.

Oh, and I really dislike the MSM. The forms of them make little difference.

Well Hello Captain Obvious! Welcome to 10 years ago!

3
I like it
entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity
or sumfin like that

bin Laden ain't far from mainstream Saudi Arabia

You can hear Osama sing:

"If you don't know me by now, you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever know me...

Take a whiff of the java!

Get our boys out of Iraq right now!

/war protester off

He's a war monger!

/Cindy off

Actually, I believe the "worldwide goals" have been in place since about 640 AD, haven't they?

But in order to do that, they have to first drive us from the region.

Strange that is the LLL and the MSM goal as well.

General Abizaid could not be any more correct if he wanted to. Now if only the other half of the U.S. population could see things as clearly as him.

focus on them now before al Qaeda and its underlying ideology becomes mainstream.

Too fucking late for that, General.

Before coming to LGF, I would have read this and been amazed by what was revealed by his statement.

After a little over a year at LGF, I read this and say "Hello Captain Obvious".

I have caught myself in discussions with other people suddenly realizing that their eyes are shut, and they are unaware of what the grand scheme of AQ is.

Why do I believe that this will either be A) largely ignored by the MSM, or B) totally ignored by the Democrats.

Oh, that's right. Because it will be, on both counts.

Yes, it is obvious...

But Abizaid represents a side with impeachable credentials...his own ancestral roots are in the region...

Had to dismiss him on the other side as being a "racist". Important for him to speak out if only stating the obvious for many of us.

Thank you General John SIR. Lets hope the rest of the American Public reads this and wakes up

They believe in a jihad, a jihad, first and foremost

As they say on Osama TV:

All jihad, all the time!

Someone had better let Robert Spencer know, too...

PIMF

had=hard

#16, That's not a fair thing to say.

If Al Qaeda's philosophy were mainstream, then why would so many Muslims be voting in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Why would so many Muslims be trying to defeat Al Qaeda and kick them out of Iraq?

Gimme a C
Gimme a A
Gimme a L
Gimme a I
Gimme a P
Gimme a H
Gimme a A
Gimme a T
Gimme a E

/what's it spell?

#24 Killian Bundy

/what's it spell?

Uh...calzone?

Nobody told me there would be a quiz on this thread.

Whats next, sobriety check points at post 87 to see who's drinking and posting?

They believe, ultimately, that the greatest prize of all is Saudi Arabia and the holy shrines there.”

Well, replace 'holy shrines' with 'oil fields', and you have our take on the region as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's our oil.

It will be in american hands before too long.

#24 Killian Bundy

/what's it spell?

MICKEY MOUSE!

/couldn't resist

When did Islam begin ?

#26 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Whats next, sobriety check points at post 87 to see who's drinking and posting?

Well, that would suck.

/I guess me and Jack will going to jail then

Foreign Fighters Now Seen as Main Threat in Iraq - Bradley Graham
The top U.S. military intelligence officer in Iraq, Maj.-Gen. Richard Zahner, said Abu Musab Zarqawi and his foreign and Iraqi associates have essentially commandeered the insurgency, becoming the dominant opposition force and the greatest immediate threat to U.S. objectives in the country. "I think what you really have here is an insurgency that's been hijacked by a terrorist campaign," Zahner said. U.S. military leaders say they now see Zarqawi's group, known as al-Qaeda in Iraq, as having supplanted Iraqis loyal to ousted president Saddam Hussein as the insurgency's driving element. Although numerically still a small fraction of the insurgency, Zarqawi's network is said to be behind a disproportionately large share of the violence.
Since spring, U.S. commanders have moved beyond targeting the group's leaders and urban cells to try to shut off the flow of foreign Islamic extremists infiltrating from Syria. Zahner said the number of foreign fighters entering Iraq, which had started to approach 200 a month in June, appeared to drop to 100 a month or fewer by the end of August. More than 315 foreign fighters have been killed since March and nearly 330 detained. The average level of daily attacks across Iraq is about 90. (Washington Post)

#26 VIA

Whats next, sobriety check points at post 87 to see who's drinking and posting?

Honest LGF Officer, I only had a couple, besides I've posted with alot more to drink before.

Tell me again why we shouldn't be fighting the war in/for Iraq and essentially the fight of our lives. The joke is when/if Al Qaeda nukes Anyplace America, the lefttards will say "it was Bush's fault Halliburton wants the contract to rebuild".

Seized Bulgarian nuclear material may be linked to al-Qaeda The potentially lethal nuclear enrichment material that Bulgarian customs prevented from crossing into Romania is linked to Iran's nuclear quest, the Sunday Herald reported, citing Romanian sources

According to the reports an Arab-dominated Bucharest mafia was the intermediary in the hafnium deal.

A week ago Bulgaria's police in the northeastern Danube city Russe nabbed 3.5kg of hafnium, a material that could be used in the manufacture of radioactive "dirty bombs".

Rantburg on Bulgarian nuclear material

#26 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Whats next, sobriety check points at post 87 to see who's drinking and posting?

On a Friday night?

Nooo...

Hmmm...you can't spell Caliphate without hate.

/figures

24 killian

/what's it spell?

S
H
I
T

Somehow, someway, tonight as we enjoy the comforts of our homes, brave men and women wearing the uniform of this great country are snuffing the breath from these animals.

Good lord, what a wonderful thing to consider as you fall asleep in your comfortable bed!

God bless America, but please bless our troops first!

is this the drinking thread or the previous?

30 semadar

When did Islam begin ?

when pediophilia became a holy act of the g-d

So if someone gets popped for PWI (Posting While Intoxicated) does Charles ban you for 6 months, and do you get points assigned to your posting license?

Man, I'm like sooo hosed if thats the case

DEMOCRAT RESPONSE: We will file motions in courts of law to stop Al-Qaeda.

Bring these terrorists...ahem...insurgents...ahem...militants. ..ahem...resistancefighters to justice not with bullets or bombs but with a blizzard of legal paper...after they read them their rights.

That'll show 'em!

Senate Hearing on Military Strategy and Operations in Iraq

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

Kudos to him, but, yes, there's that but...he didn't say Islam and he didn't say Muslim. Those that haven't a clue about al Queda also don't realize that they're muslims and their cult is islam.

They believe, ultimately, that the greatest prize of all is Saudi Arabia and the holy shrines there.”

Well then, let's get to the haert of the matter and just confiscate the [expletive deleted] black three-piece meteorite and get it over with. It's not that difficult a task, given our military and/or paramilitary capabilities.

Radical Islam will be hard pressed to perpetuate its smugness and percieved sense of cultural and religious superiority when one of the fundemental pillars of Islam suddenly goes missing.

I say, let them pray to Cheyenne Mountain five times a day.

/how many times do I have to propose this before it finally comes true?

.I can hear the moonbats on Air America now...

IT'S ALL LIESSS...BUSH IS A LIAR...
Gen. Abizaid is a war monger supporting Bush's corrupt policies via the corporatocracy and military industrial complex which enslave all those in the Middle East and Asia. He is just spouting Rethuglican talking points to distract us from Bush's failures and Tom Delay. He knows Jihad only means self improvement through self struggle.

Ai
"Mohammad born in 570 A.D., his first year spreading the word was when he was 40...That puts the very beginnings of islam at 610 A.D.

it actually began in 569, too bad the goat couldn't run faster...

Every now and then you catch a glimpse of what's really going on. Like the recent footage of Brit troops under attack by the locals, or Iraqi kids celebrating at the fiery wreckage of a coalition vehicle.

Don't know about you, but at the age of ten, wouldn't be attacking anyone. But if I were to, the last person it would be would be a freaking armed "allied" soldier. These aren't terrorists masterminds and lifelong warriors, they're the village locals. Al Qaeda Al Schmaeda, it's the Islam in all its "Kill the Infidel!" splendor.

Pointing to Al Qaeda to explain terrorism is like pointing to the NFL to explain football games in America. No, there's football games in America because Americans love football. Shoot everyone in the NFL into the Sun and we'll still have football. If you wanted to stop the game from being played, you'd have to be ready to act harshly against anyone who plays it, advocates it and funds it. Same goes for jihad.

Stay the course. You gotta love history to see what is happening. Been there, done that.

Marcus Aurelius - Pax Romana (not)

# 8

I think the article used the words Arabia and Asia to inorder to show their priorities. The Jihad has to take place in stages, and the first stage is the middle east.

Imagine if they could push us out of the middle-east. Iraq would fall to the Jihadis, Saudi Arabia would likely fall too with out our support. Thats a lot of oil wealth in the hands of Jihadis. Now add some Iranian nukes to the mix and you have a very dangerous situation.

Ai
I'm pro goat.

From David Warren's latest pice about the ME:

We, in the West, including those in Washington, tend seriously to underestimate the power of sheer morale to determine winners and losers in the Middle East. It is a hard cultural fact, I would say wherever the Arabic language is spoken, that in order to win it is usually sufficient to appear to be winning. And this is why the refusal of both Western and Islamic media to report anything positive from Iraq has real, practical consequences.

Very insightful and damning observation about our common enemy - the MSM.

Link

#41 Village Idiot's Apprentice:

Actually, their's no penalty. You just have to follow the Iron Fist Rule. I'm not sure it can actually be broken:

"If you think you are too drunk to post, you are." Or something like that. Check the FAQ's

And here I thought was all about oil and Haliburton.

They believe, ultimately, that the greatest prize of all is Saudi Arabia and the holy shrines there

-- General Abizaid.

If the global jihadis conquer the Arabian peninsula they will have control over the two holy shrines -- the one at Mecca and the one at Medina.

They will also have control over the Hajj, and thereby exert influence over Hajjis, who come from all over the world, and who could obtain an experience that may affect them very much. The global jihadis could make sure of that, with indoctrination.

They will also have control over the vast oil reserves under what is now Saudi Arabia. They could sell this oil as at present, or at higher prices, and use that vast wealth for promoting the global jihad. Or, they could cut off these sales, and do damage to the economies of the West. Or, they could make threats involving cutting off oil, and practice oil blackmail in order to get the West to do their bidding.

The Saudi royals are despised throughout the Muslim world, so the global jihadis will gain in popularity merely by overthrowing the royals.

This common attitude toward the royals that exists even in the kingdom will also help the jihadis in their efforts at conquest of the Arabian peninsula. The hostility toward the royals derives from their vast wealth (which contrasts with the lot of ordinary Muslims there). It also derives from the decadence of many of the royals, in disobeying the strict Wahhabi code that is preached throughout the kingdom.

# 51

Do you think future historians will refer to the post-cold war world has Pax America?

Who thought up Burkas? Not a woman, and not a single guy. It had to be a married guy.

# 59 EE

Everytime I explain something it seems like someone else comes up with a longer, better explaination of what I was getting at.

In other words you hit the nail on the head.

It's sort of like how Hitler tried to unify Europe by force because he knew that only a unified Europe was capable of world domination.

a rare opportunity to get in front of these extremists and focus on them now before al Qaeda and its underlying ideology becomes mainstream

-- Gen. Abizaid.

Their success, or the appearance of their success, will bring them recruits and lead to the expansion of their ideology.

These guys we're just sittin around the Hookah and Mohammed says; " You know what would be great?" And the others are like: " What? "

"Let's put all the chicks in head to toe bags"
" No way!"

"Yes Way!"

#49 Model4

Absolutely perfectly put...well said man!

re #65, the stakes are high in Iraq.
The jihadis engaged our enterprise there, and they thereby decided to raise the stakes.

A jihadi victory there would provide an enormous boost to jihad everywhere.

To some extent that is true elsewhere in the world also. A jihadi victory anywhere is a victory for jihad everywhere.

But Iraq has center stage, and the world's attention is focused on the jihad there, especially since the US is engaged there. So the stakes regarding jihad there are even higher than anywhere else.

“a rare opportunity to get in front of these extremists and focus on them now before al Qaeda and its underlying ideology becomes mainstream.”

Too late.

"(screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). "

Ha! So TWO eyeholes is risque! With modern technology they don't need eyeholes at all anymore. LCD screens and digital cameras for steering. Is there a Wahhabbist suggestion box?

He said leader Osama bin Laden’s sights are set on Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and then the entire region, as well as Asia.
I know I'll get flamed over this but I'm wearing my kevlar, uh, well, let's say I'm sitting on this kevlar blankie. LETS let bin Laden have his way in the Middle East and Asia (except of course for Israel and Iraq (wink, wink, nudge, nudge old boy -take it all and save Iraq for the penultimate example of how un-Islamic a start up democracy is and then Israel for how a working for 45 years plus deomocracy will fare surrounded by Islmaic Theocracies). Yeah, that's the ticket!

What a fucking maroon.

Latino women finding a place in Islam

/Bubble Girl is going to be angry

NOW is the time to launch a focused, widespread blast on the ideology front.

Videos of the head-hackers LOSING by the score; videos in Arabic of DELIGHTED Iraqis condemning Zarqawi's terrorist thugs; videos of Baha'is sharing the gospel of the coming of the One Promised by Jesus of Nazareth; videos and press releases of Muslims praising the democratic way and the joys of self-determination and personal responsibility EVEN when submitting to the Will of God...

Get on it, George Dubyah!

I am reminded of Cousin It from the Addams Family whenever I see a Burka shot. Also Kenny from South Park...

#62 Peacekeeper:

Burka's? The real question on my mind is who thought up Birkenstocks?

Ugliest shoes on the face of the earth. Need to wear a Burka to cover them up.

I believe Al Qaeda to be a serious threat, in several ways. I sometimes fear that the US is solely focused on them, but then I remember Sami Al-Arian and others, who were not AL Q members (whatever that really means). I don't believe Al-Q is mainstream, in the sense that one billion Muslims will fly planes into buildings, but I do feel they are mainstream in the sense of resentment, hatred of infidels, and support for terror in general (and against Israel in particular).

Don't get your hopes up Carridine, Bush has always paid lip service to the ROP line.

#49 Model4

You are correct sir. Cheers. Heres hoping we can come to our senses and find either our own energy sources or alternate forms of energy. Let the goatf*->ers choke on their oil for all I care.

I'm overwhelmed by the quality of intelligence on LGF.
I've met my match.

/humility off

(Bubble girl-we should meet)

The Al Jazeera Burka calendar: 12 months of hags in bags.

#30 semadar

When did Islam begin ?

I've found this article particularly enlightening: Apocalypse Forever: The Root of Islam Was a Very Dark Year By MarkTwain. Excerpts:

Occasionally environmental conditions are so stupendously bad that it's noticed by trees all over the world. As these very long, and very broad master chronologies evolved, certain dates in history began to stand out as being distinctly unusual. As described in Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets, by Mike Baillie, those dates are: 3195 BC, 2354 BC, 1628 BC, 1159 BC, 207 BC, 44 BC, and 540 AD.

Of these seven dates, 540 AD stands out as the most accessible, the best documented, and the most severe. The episode had a double minimum, beginning in 536 AD and plunging further yet to another event piggybacked on at 540 AD.
[snip]
And in Yemen, in the 540s, a dam broke. By 550 AD, the great Marib Dam, an engineering marvel of the ancient world, was a complete loss and thousands of people migrated to another oasis on the Arabian peninsula, Medina. The Arab tribes, weakened by famine, begin to rouse themselves and think of conquest. In 610 AD, a new leader unified them--Muhammad.

Although all of the interesting historical changes happened in the seventh century--the Roman war with Persia, the rise of Islam, rebellion and civil war in the Roman empire, and the advance of the Slavs driven by the Avars--all can be legitimately traced to the environmental catastrophe of 536 AD.

Burka-stocks?

#62 Peacekeeper:

Burka's? The real question on my mind is who thought up Birkenstocks?

Ugliest shoes on the face of the earth. Need to wear a Burka to cover them up.

Ah, but they're so very comfortable. I still wear them whenever the weather permits. You could say they're a holdover from my ex-moonbat days.

I particularly enjoy wearing them to the range.

Does anyone have the transcripts to this Armed Services testimony (or a link)?

I just listened to today's DoD briefing and Rumsfeld made some good points:

1) The Iraqi battalion number was classified and conveniently leaked to spin the news negatively.

2) The Coalition combat force mixture had reversed from 80% US 20% Iraqi forces - and now during combat operations the mixture is 80% Iraqi and 20% US and the US is just providing the outer cordon and the Iraqis are at the center doing the house to house stuff.

3) In many of these combat operations level two and level three Iraqi forces are successfully defeating the terrorists (level one is the highest - level 3 the lowest).

4) It well know that the terrorists have sophisticated propaganda cells that spoon feed the US MSM negative information (The MSM is aiding the enemy).

# 71

A Jihadi victory in Iraq would be a great recruitment tool, and you we all know how they will say they won. They'll say they had God on their side, after all how else could they explain beating a superpower?

They might be able to convince many muslims that they follow true islam, because of Allah giving them victory over the infidels.

Being able to convince people that God is on your side can be a very powerful and useful tool.

Muslims win toy pigs ban

OKAY, THAT'S IT, NOW THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR!

/NO ONE [expletive deleted] with Winnie the Pooh and Piglet and gets away with it!

#58 Rayra - I wish we would, but I don't see it without some bigger, much bigger events than have occurred so far. Paris nuked perhaps would do it. The EUroweenies would need to be so mad, they wouldn't stand in our way, and might even help. Heck, I could see them getting Midieval on the MidEast.

Re: Maine's Michael

Dude, you're still posting? I would have thought after all these months (years?) you'd have given up by now.

A+ for effort.

D- for political views.

I do see that most just ignore you now, probably because you've earned Troll Status. Why do you keep posting? Just curious.

This is one LFGer/lurker from Maine who isn't up for the "global test".

I apologize for my fellow stater, but I'm afraid I'm in the minority here. The liberals/leftists from Mass and NY (and elsewhere) have ruined the libertarianism and independence of Maine and much of New England. Even NH is becoming infected (especially southern).

Still voting,
Ducati

American Infidel: I've made that same point had had "Deer in the headlights" looks in return. People just don't get it. They won't even THINK about it.

# 90

On top of a victory in Iraq they could also overthrow the Saudis and gain Mecca and Medina. The holiest sites in Islam would be in the hand of the Jihadis, and could be used has proof that they follow true Islam.

A victory in Iraq plus Mecca and Medina equals great propaganda.

#89 Ledger1 Sec Rumsfeld DoD Transcript (9/30/05)

Can we kill them now?

If he's correct the end of the game is clearly in view. 1 rocket with MIRVS, Mecca and Modina are no mans land for the next 100,000 years.

91 Kllian Bundy

Councillor Mahbubur Rahman, a practising Muslim, backed the ban. He said: “It’s a tolerance of people’s beliefs.”

They are so good at exploiting our 'tolerance' to futher thier own intolerant goals.

I find it offensive that Christians are not allowed to have a Bible (or pray or a crucifix) in saudi arabia. They're response? Arrest/deportation/execution.
I say no more tolerance to moslem 'sensitivities'.

BTW it is pretty ironic that the photo under this story in the Sun has a seriously cleaved woman in a bikini. I'm sure that will get the moslem censors' hijab in a wad.

Taliban=perfect islamic society.

I'm not Bigel, but I'm beginning to think that maybe Mecca and Medina should be made inhabitable.

# 99

You know I've always wondered whether the destruction of Mecca and Medina would demoralize the enemy or work them up into a frenzy.

PLEASE Protect Journalists in Iraq Mr Evil American Military Leader, Pleads the Fifth Column (DoD 9/30/05)

people that get out and get close to the combat often put themselves at risk.

I would be more concerned about the righteous journalists if they chose the side of good. They have no trouble be against the KKK, or the Nazis. They have no trouble not being "objective," EXCEPT during the current war. They choose gays over Rev Phelps and his ilk. They can choose. Their objectivity is a lie.

#104 Baldy - I was just venting, The reporter's question really wasn't biased one way or the other, I was just referring to the daily coverage of the wires & the major media.

49 Model4

Shoot everyone in the NFL into the Sun and we'll still have football. If you wanted to stop the game from being played, you'd have to be ready to act harshly against anyone who plays it, advocates it and funds it. Same goes for jihad.

I strongly disagree (even though AI in 54 thinks you hit a "home run"). You attempt to demonstrate that AQ has nothing to do with the spread of Islamic radicalism, by making the analogy that the NFL has nothing to do with America's love of football. Thats nonsense. The NFL has everything to do with America's love of football. Kids love to emulate their heroes. They read about them, follow their statistics, collect trading cards, watch them on TV, and fight over who gets to play who in the sandlot game.

You obviously know very little about boys and football. Same for AI.

And kids in the Muslim street probably love their heroes too.

...and yet the Saudis themselves keep feeding the troll that would gladly devour them.

Leftist Defense Plan # 1:

1) Place left index finger in left ear.
2) Place right index finger in right ear.
3) Close eyes.
4) Shout 'La La La La La I can't hear you'.

107 Gadfly

True. The Saudi elites used Wahabbism as a way to control the behavior of the masses and maintain their place of power. As that method started to slip in effectiveness they figured that paying "protection money" to AQ et al would keep them out of the bullseye.

Now even that has proven a losing strategy so the Saudis have finally begun fighting back against the "Frankenstein monster" radical element they helped create with their Wahabbi state religion.

Too late? I doubt it. Oil money can pay for a lot of soldiers.

There's nothing more terrifying to me than to read daily the determination of those who want to eradicate those of us who live in free societies...while watching and listening and reading the thoughts of those among us who are helping them. Makes me want to scream!...HOW CAN THEY BE SO STUPID?

At the shooting range last week a hot shellcasing burned a small ( into the sleeve of my Cabela's shirt.

/cleavege was buttoned up.

#109 mich-again,

Agreed. IF they now recognize the demon in their midsts they should be able to apply the usual ruthless disregard for "rights" or due process to these insects and perhaps be effective. We have seen some of this already, though perhaps its window dressing for our consumption. I have wondered for instance if the house of Saud isn't also quashing legitimate dissent of their oligarchy under the guise of rounding up "terrorists"? Still their best weapon would seem to be to stop funding them - and yet we haven't heard of this have we? This makes me think a significant portion of the Saudi princes still think they can control the beast if they only can point it towards Jerusalem or elsewhere.

...and as a final thought what might happen if the Iraqi Shiites can no longer stand being slaughtered by their Sunni brothers and decide to eradicate them? Would we see the Saudis backing one side and the Iranians the other?

Is that the sound of carpet bombing in the distance?

If it isn't, it should be. Glad the General is aware of the jihad that these goatf*ckers have planned. Getting ahead of them is way swell idea sir.

In fact, let's get started in Iran, really soon...

114 Gadfly

This makes me think a significant portion of the Saudi princes still think they can control the beast if they only can point it towards Jerusalem or elsewhere.

I really think they are past that point. Surely they recognize they are in a fight for their own survival. And to all those would-be reformers out there, now would be a really bad time to raise legitimate concerns about the ruthless tactics of the House of Saud. They are a cat in the corner.

#106 mich-again: You're reading things into my post that I did not write. Nowhere did I say "AQ has nothing to do with the spread of Islamic radicalism ... the NFL has nothing to do with America's love of football," so why are you arguing with me about it?

Al Qaeda didn't invent the teachings of Islam. The NFL didn't invent the game of football. Neither represents the totality of Islam and football respectively. And I certainly didn't make the claim that they don't popularize what they do.

"You obviously know very little..." You put words in my mouth that I didn't say, and it's my failing that they don't make sense to you? What exactly did I do to deserve this shit?

#115 gadfly

Saudis, Egyptians, Syrians, Palestinians, Pakistanis, Moroccans, Algerians-- all back their sect of Islam, the whining Iraqi Sunni Baathists against the hated Shiia. Remember the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88 pitted Shiia vs. Sunnis--and I think Saudis and US backed Saddam Hussein in that little skirmish that killed and maimed millions.

Melt the black rock.

Sooner.

It is dammm good to hear someone with some authority that realy understands and has the sack to present to the people in a way that is easily understood the STAKES that are up for grabs here.

I think Bush and his crew understand the stakes but are either enept or unwilling to explain and hammer it into the general population. This is a World War that is a true life or death struggle for survival. If we lose in Iraq it wont be over but it will put our enemy into a position to grow and at some point we are going to have to fight the all out do or die fight the Jihadis are more than ready to fight. This talk should be coming from the top 24/7 pounding in every speech to the people by the pres and crew historical examples comparing this war to previous wars battles to previous battles always highlighting our stong points and constant reminder of the stakes.. Any one who thinks $3.00 gas is high just wait when Saudia Arabia falls and with Iran decides a little economic punishment is in order for the Big Satan. Throw in some nukes and what are we going to do cry, blame bush who is long gone by now for not doing what it took at the time, surrender, convert to Islam, or maybe by then after long suffering thousands of dead US innocents humiliation around the world we will get a leader with a sack to do what ever it takes to win.

This aint Veitnam when our leaders got weak and ran the N. Veitnamese didnt chase us down hell they never once attacked us at home. Al Queda started this war with multiple yes multiple attacks on our home Clinton the puss he was let his watch just punk it up Bush at least tried to fight back but he just dont have the sack or just is in-capable to take the case to the people. In WW2 we lost big in the first couple of years but we had a Media that loved its nation and did its part today our media is anti-american they want the state to fall so thier cronies can remake it in thier style image. This needs to be sold the people need to know the stakes the blogospehere is great but we a small portion who read the internet daily the media wont do it Bush and his people must get on TV and continually push the stakes surrender or defeat is not a option it is do or die thier is no other option but DEATH. people must be made to understand.

Just wondering . . . how do the Saudis constitute a "legitimate regime"?

Abizaid is wrong. Mostly.

Al-Qaeda is small potatoes really. The reason we haven't exterminated bin Laden is because we have not gone into Pakistan and done it ourselves. The Pakis are not going to do it for us.

The enemy we face is militant Islam and Iran is it's most dangerous manifestation. Collapse Iran and the the whole rotten Islamic culture will follow it. Political correctness prevents Abizaid from saying this.

In his speech a couple of days ago Bush mentioned more than once that insurgents were coming into Iraq from Syria. I waited for him, without much hope, to draw the necessary conculsion: attack Syria. In a real war this infiltration would be completely unacceptable. You attack the enemy's suppy lines to end that threat.

As long as this Administration refuses to view this as a regional war and not just a war confined to Iraq there will be no victory there.

#14 freedomplow

But in order to do that, they have to first drive us from the region.

Strange that is the LLL and the MSM goal as well.

I wonder how many years before we find out how much Saudi money has been buying off the media and activists - and who?

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Your post seemed to say that defeating "Al Qaeda Al Schmaeda" wouldn't make much of a difference in the WOT. I disagreed.

True, Islamic radicalism won't disappear even if AQ were to be completely defeated. But the best way to fight a group of adversaries is to attack the biggest, baddest one in the bunch first. Seeing that, the weaker ones will back down.

IMO, AQ must be defeated and her leaders killed, or better yet publicly humiliated for all to see.

This is not necessarily news. Earlier this week IIRC I wrote:

The end of the war on terror will coincide with the civil war in Saudi Arabia.

Adding:

Right now, the House of Saud is engaged in a huge game of "Let's You and Him Fight" allowing them to be on both sides (ours and the terrorists) and neither side. If the democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq hold and the free markets prosper, the House of Saud and the terrorists have no choice but to fight each other.

He said the war against Zarqawi’s al Qaeda in Iraq, and al Qaeda worldwide, presents “a rare opportunity to get in front of these extremists and focus on them now before al Qaeda and its underlying ideology becomes mainstream.”

The clearest and most inarguable sign of leftist stupidity is that the left does not unequivocally oppose and fight islamofascism. For the left are very high on thelist of people the islamofascists would eliminate if given the chance.

My acquaintances think it is the British because the British set up Iraq and Saud and the Palestinian Mandate etc.It is the British Crown.
No use talking to them. The ones that aren't way out only read the paper, watch TV.
So not only are they non-informed;they are misiformed. It is like a balck star where they have the information that they do have drained out of their brain.
If it isn't in the "Paper" then it is a lie.