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 RetweetThe Politics of Fighting Radical Islam

Thu, Oct 6, 2005 at 11:04:22 am PDT

The transcript of President Bush’s speech is available at the White House site: President Discusses War on Terror at National Endowment for Democracy.

There was still quite a bit of political eggshell-walking, but this marks the first time that Bush has identified and described the real goals of radical Islam—to re-establish the mythical caliphate and the global dominance of Islam.

Many militants are part of global, borderless terrorist organizations like al Qaeda, which spreads propaganda, and provides financing and technical assistance to local extremists, and conducts dramatic and brutal operations like September the 11th. Other militants are found in regional groups, often associated with al Qaeda — paramilitary insurgencies and separatist movements in places like Somalia, and the Philippines, and Pakistan, and Chechnya, and Kashmir, and Algeria. Still others spring up in local cells, inspired by Islamic radicalism, but not centrally directed. Islamic radicalism is more like a loose network with many branches than an army under a single command. Yet these operatives, fighting on scattered battlefields, share a similar ideology and vision for our world.

We know the vision of the radicals because they’ve openly stated it — in videos, and audiotapes, and letters, and declarations, and websites. First, these extremists want to end American and Western influence in the broader Middle East, because we stand for democracy and peace, and stand in the way of their ambitions. Al Qaeda’s leader, Osama bin Laden, has called on Muslims to dedicate, quote, their “resources, sons and money to driving the infidels out of their lands.” Their tactic to meet this goal has been consistent for a quarter-century: They hit us, and expect us to run. They want us to repeat the sad history of Beirut in 1983, and Mogadishu in 1993 — only this time on a larger scale, with greater consequences.

Second, the militant network wants to use the vacuum created by an American retreat to gain control of a country, a base from which to launch attacks and conduct their war against non-radical Muslim governments. Over the past few decades, radicals have specifically targeted Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and Jordan for potential takeover. They achieved their goal, for a time, in Afghanistan. Now they’ve set their sights on Iraq. Bin Laden has stated: “The whole world is watching this war and the two adversaries. It’s either victory and glory, or misery and humiliation.” The terrorists regard Iraq as the central front in their war against humanity. And we must recognize Iraq as the central front in our war on terror.

Third, the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia. With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people, and to blackmail our government into isolation.

Some might be tempted to dismiss these goals as fanatical or extreme. Well, they are fanatical and extreme — and they should not be dismissed.

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1 vdh in '08  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:05:14am

wow instant service

thanks Charles

2 ToxMan  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:05:15am

Right on!

3 Leper  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:06:21am

I wonder how Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi are going to spin this? Will they claim we're being too politically incorrect to mention just who is causing the terrorism?
Let's see...

4 William  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:07:49am

From the address:

Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism.

On the right track here!

Next sentence:

Whatever it's called, this ideology is very different from the religion of Islam.

Fell off the rails here.

But it's a start, I guess...
 

5 NC  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:07:52am
this marks the first time that Bush has identified and described the real goals of radical Islam

I hope this isn't true, CJ. I watched some of the speech and thought it wasn't anything we hadn't heard before. If you're right, and it really did take Bush more than four years after 9/11 to articulate the goals of jihad, then we're in serious, serious trouble.

6 .  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:08:09am

He gets it ... we'll see if he can overcome the arabists within State.

7 FreakyBoy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:09:50am

And not one direct mention of it as a "Religion of Peace", for once.

8 keepandbear  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:10:01am

reposted from the open thread

There is one problem with the President's strong rhetoric. It was pointed out by one of the retired soldiers I work with. We do not have enough ground forces to open a third front. We could bomb the jinnis out of them but we can't occupy.
Therefore we can't truly force change. just remove them from physical reality. Which is okay by me but would cause a bit of a stir.

9 DIAMONDMASC  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:10:47am

This global fight against those who would return us to the 7th century is too important to be derailed by a self serving whiny "why can't we just get along" tiny minority, islam is fighting everyone else on every continent, they regard it as "We win or we die" scenario, why are we, and the rest of the world not doing the same?

10 vdh in '08  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:10:54am

the headline from the New York Times was something like "Bush speech defends Iraq policy" which makes me wonder if they listened to or read the speech before writing the headline.

By the way... I can't help but think my homeboy VDH may have contributed to the writing of this speech.

The militants are aided, as well, by elements of the Arab news media that incite hatred and anti-Semitism, that feed conspiracy theories and speak of a so-called American "war on Islam" -- with seldom a word about American action to protect Muslims in Afghanistan, and Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo, Kuwait, and Iraq.

A favorite point of VDH's.

11 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:11:11am

Great speech from what I've read.

Still, the idiots won't listen and I doubt it'll even get a mention on the networks and in those esteemed "papers of record".

12 Eagle  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:12:30am

I'm loving it. Reminders of the real Churchill.

We're facing a radical ideology with inalterable objectives: to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world. No act of ours invited the rage of the killers -- and no concession, bribe, or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.
On the contrary: They target nations whose behavior they believe they can change through violence. Against such an enemy, there is only one effective response: We will never back down, never give in, and never accept anything less than complete victory. (Applause.)

Now everyone stop drooling over Atlas.

13 cybermonk  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:12:35am

Somehow he missed the Paleo's. I guess they are the sole exception to militant islam.

14 Buckaroo  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:12:47am

"still others, Islamo-fascism."

M. Savage must be so proud ...

15 Bubbaman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:12:48am

Ah W, you forgot one other major part of the globe where Islamonazis flourish - The Palestinian territories. Ever hear of them? Of course not - you're funneling the terrorists millions upon millions of $$$.

Bush - you suck!

16 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:12:52am

BRAVO... great start...

Now- let's see how long it takes for FarrahKAAAN or others to call him racist...

5..
4...
3...
2...
1...

Let the party begin...

17 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:16:01am

As I posted on the open thread, this was a big US foreign policy instructional day. With the President's speech, you got a side order of Bolton. Taken together, they're calling for a reformation in the way the US and the world looks at conflicts. The President's focus was clearly on Islamic terrorism, but Bolton's comments also look at the way the UN operates its peacekeeping missions, which are often assigned to dealing with Arab/Israeli conflicts, religious tensions, and interstate skirmishes.

18 Studsup  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:16:16am

I think we have problems at home. Bush outlined three steps to deal with Radical Islam. Number One dealt with our response to terror threats at home. He is finally naming an enemy because he'd look damn foolish doing that after the next catastrophic attack.

I did like how he repeatedly compared Islamism to Communism. The NYT, most of the rest of the MSM and the majority of what now constitutes the Democrat party is going to be in a state of near hysteria tomorrow -- just for that comparison alone.

19 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:16:26am

Thank GOd no more bullshit about Islam being a religion of peace.

20 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:16:37am

It's about damn time...

We need this talk every day, bang bang bang...

21 loppyd  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:17:25am

Get ready for CAIR to go apesh*it.

Goody!

22 amir  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:18:02am
Second, the militant network wants to use the vacuum created by an American retreat to gain control of a country, a base from which to launch attacks and conduct their war against non-radical Muslim governments. Over the past few decades, radicals have specifically targeted Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and Jordan for potential takeover.

Change "American retreat" to Iraeli retreat, and change "Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and Jordan" to Gaza and you realize that Islam is close to acheiving its goal.

23 jimmytheleg  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:18:18am
Some might be tempted to dismiss these goals as fanatical or extreme. Well, they are fanatical and extreme — and they should not be dismissed.

This will be missed by the LLL, but it may be one of the best things POTUS has said about Islamo-fascism.

And remember as Christopher Hitchens has said:

The only cure for fascism is lead poisoning
24 vdh in '08  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:18:18am

it is troubling that it took the President this long to come half-way to being honest about the Jihad. He's missed so many opportunities. I wonder if it isn't too late.

25 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:19:52am

Bravo!

What a brilliant speech from the Prez.

Too bad the G*ddamn MSM will bury all the crucial points and quickly divert the attention of the public elsewhere.

26 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:20:07am

Pat Buchanan and his Nazi magazine the misnamed "The American Conservative" are going to go ballistic on this one. Good - let them die!

27 Eagle  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:20:21am

#15 Bubbaman

Good point. But he's walking in the right direction.

28 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:20:57am

It's a start.

We had never given a NAME to the enemy.
We looked shy.

"Islamofascism" is now official.
The globality of the war too, that is, this is a World War ( #X: three or four, depending from how you count the Cold War).

The islamofascists will bring our Presidents to be more and more precise, no doubt.

29 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:21:04am

Joel?

30 corbusier  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:21:46am

Excellent speech. Finally the President identifies who the enemy is and why his detractors have got it all wrong. The content of the speech makes me wonder if Steven Den Beste has become Bush's speechwriter...

For my take on why Bush has chosen the strategy he has against the Islamists, click here

31 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:21:54am

I think overall the Pres gets a B or slightly better on the war.

No major attacks since 9-11 here in the US,

large numbers of AQ dead or captured, including top leadership,

UBL and Zawahiri clearly on the run/in hiding and lacking any real operational command,

Taliban gone from power, 1000s of terrorists dead in Iraq from all over the ME,

Sadaam the terrorist enabler in jail,

beefed up security here in the homefront (obviously we can and should do better), etc etc etc.

The left always says we are losing. THe above are FACTS, kiddies.

32 alegrias  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:21:58am

#15 bubbaman

I think it's up to ALL of us--including DEMS who spent all the Clinton Years pretending differently--to end the exceptional treatment of the Palis. They are our star example of pointless jihadism which wastes our money & our lives.

33 quark2  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:22:06am

Finally, either Bush or one of his speech writers has started reading Charles threads at Lfg.
Big assumption I know, but that influence is coming from somewhere, might as well be here! :)

34 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:22:20am

21 loppyd
Hi there. Keep the faith for games 3, 4, and 5

Maureen Dowd and Krugman are going to be going nuts dusting out the old "neo-con, war mongerinng, Likudnik,Halliburton rhetoric from months gone by.

35 AndyStevenson  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:23:04am
Change "American retreat" to Iraeli retreat, and change "Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and Jordan" to Gaza and you realize that Islam is close to acheiving its goal.

Ehh, I see what you're trying to convey, but there's a big difference between Gaza and THE PLANET. The fish may feel safe in their barrel, for the time being.

But it's only a matter of time.

Too bad some drunk camel driver didn't accidentally run over Mohammed back when he was some smartass punk starting a new cult, tho. Woulda saved the planet a lot of grief...

36 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:23:13am

As I stated on another thread devoted to this topic, I'm underwhelmed.

I ascribe to the Peacekeeper theory that all this super-heated rhetoric from the President is a ploy. Merely an attempt to placate the conservative base who are still fuming over the Miers nomination.

37 beyerku  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:23:16am
the sad history of Beirut in 1983, and Mogadishu in 1993

Exactly - let's not cut and run. See where it has gotten us?

38 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:23:34am

29 eeevil conservative
Ever read that magazine? It is pure anti Semitic evil.

39 rightasrain  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:23:46am

#22 Amir

Second, the militant network wants to use the vacuum created by an American retreat to gain control of a country, a base from which to launch attacks and conduct their war against non-radical Muslim governments. Over the past few decades, radicals have specifically targeted Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and Jordan for potential takeover.

Change "American retreat" to Iraeli retreat, and change "Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and Jordan" to Gaza and you realize that Islam is close to acheiving its goal.

Well, I sure hope the Islamists see it this way.

Stuffing the Islamist dream into a rectangular box like Gaza is the best we could ever hope they'd decide to do.

The State of Fish in a Barrel (Gaza) would be the ideal place to pen them up and then kill the Islamist terrorists all together.

40 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:23:59am
Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'


the man is on a mission from god and i love it.
Clinton advisers told him to get out of africa,
democrats live just for today on this earth.
pres. bush lives on a higher plane.
we are going to add another book to the bible,
pres. bushs revelations.

/got carried away with the bible thing.

41 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:25:20am

So who from the left will rebut the speech? Pelosi, Durbin, Kennedy or Bin Laden himself. I hope the the Islamofascist do try to somehow argue down the points he made.

42 cybermonk  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:25:21am

Nabil Shaath is an idiot.

43 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:25:22am

Joel

I never read the magazine- but do you mind giving me an example of what makes him a NAZI?

For pete's sake...

44 loppyd  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:26:00am

hi {Joel}

Always...

45 cybermonk  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:26:35am

and if that quote is accurate, Bush is an idiot for saying what he said.

46 alegrias  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:26:40am

slightly OT but I bet George Clooney's new movie is meant and timed to draw a parallel between the McCarthy era and the GW BUSH War on Islamofascism Era.

Expect moonbats to gloss over the Venona files and evidence coming out of former Soviet Union showing many of our Lefties were thoroughly pro-fascist stoodges, just like today's Michael Al Moorists call jihadists freedom fighters.

47 Fjordman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:26:59am

OT: This story keeps rolling:

Danish Artists Scared of Islam

Danish author Kåre Bluitgen had difficulties in getting artists to illustrate his book about Muhammad due to fear of reprisals from Islamic extremists. Jyllandsposten, Denmark's largest newspaper, responded by asking 40 illustrators to make drawings of Muhammad, and published twelve in this Saturday's edition. Muslims were offended, of course:

Imam demands apology for Mohammed cartoons

Daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten is facing accusations that it deliberately provoked and insulted Muslims by publishing twelve cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed. 'This type of democracy is worthless for Muslims,' Imam Raed Hlayhel wrote in a statement. 'Muslims will never accept this kind of humiliation. The article has insulted every Muslim in the world. We demand an apology!' Hlayhel said the newspaper had abused democracy with the single intention of humiliating Muslims.

It is not the first time Hlayhel has created headlines in Denmark. One year ago, he became the target of criticism from Muslims and non-Muslims alike, when he said in a sermon during Friday prayer, that Danish women's behaviour and dress invited rape.

48 Aladin Sane  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:27:15am

41 Just_A_Grunt

So who from the left will rebut the speech? Pelosi, Durbin, Kennedy or Bin Laden himself. I hope the the Islamofascist do try to somehow argue down the points he made.

Didn't we get a rebuttal from the left a while back only to have it match up with one of Osama's videotaped talking points?

It would be sweet if that would happen again.

49 Maine's Michael  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:27:36am
the sad history of Beirut in 1983

That was pure appeasement. Went hand in hand with the US Seventh Fleet escorting the Arafat flotilla to Tunis, instead of sinking it, after pulling his flabby ass out of ISraeli sights.

50 amir  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:27:40am

#35 AndyStevenson 10/6/2005 11:23AM PDT

I'm not comparing Gaza to the planet, I'm just saying that Gaza has the potential of becoming a major base for uninterrupted Islamic terror activity, and it was our own doing.
It hasn't hapened yet, and I hope it will be prevented.

51 Prester John  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:28:22am

Powerful stuff.

But for the MSM it will be nothing more than a cynical attemtpt to deflect attention away from the criticism about Miers, Katrina, spending, global warming etc etc

52 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:28:31am
the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'


i hope the jews are writing this stuff down,
keep it on little green footballs for your grandchildern to read.
you cant make this stuff up.
lol

53 tankdemon  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:28:39am

34 Joel-


I am holding out the hope that there wil be no games four and five.

54 gymnast  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:28:59am

#24,VDHin08. No it is far from "too late". Too late at this point in history would be a speech which included terms such as "we will fight them on the beaches, and in the hills, we will fight them in the fields--ect". Tis far better to fight them where it is their countries laid ruin. For now we also need to fight them "in the classrooms and on the campuses, in the parks and on the Mall, we will fight them wherever Islamofasism and it's fellow travelers raise their heads and threaten our culture and values"

55 TheLeague  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:29:07am

Someone briefed the President on the Management of Barbarism. The 3rd and 4th paragraphs quoted here are just summaries of, oh, about ten pages of extruciating discussion of the topic in the "strategy" paper.

Fascinating.

Finally, some government analysts are taking seriously what the enemy is saying.

Bravo, Mr. President.

56 doppelganglander  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:29:52am

I just learned last night the derivation of the term Palestine. It was an insult to the Jews on the part of the Romans. Instead of calling the land Israel or Judah, they named it after the Philistines, who had only ever occupied a tiny area that is now known as -- you guessed it, the Gaza Strip.

57 alegrias  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:30:30am

#43 eeevil conservative

Congrats on your divorce (i'm following in your tracks to leave one with terminal bush-derangement)

Trust me, after respecting some of his feisty opinions, it was shocking and revolting to hear Patrick Buchanan spouting nasty pro-Pali, anti-israeli stuff on one of those tv talk fests recently.

Buchanan ought to listen up when the New Pope says Islam is trouble and not just a fellow faith.

58 3 wood  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:30:50am

I can just feel the wackos blowing their minds at DU. Think I'll give my moonbat sister a call and see what condition her condition is in.

59 MI DB  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:31:20am

Back before 9/11, most folks couldn’t spell Islam, let alone understand its principles. If W had given this speech right after 9/11, most folks would have rejected it. As time has progressed, folks have learned about the not so RoP. I think W was waiting until we all understood enough. I’m not sure the American people are ready to indict all of Islam (yet). Also, from a practical standpoint, imagine what would happen if W had said that all of Islam was the enemy! Then what? Do we round up all Muslims? Burn down all mosques? How would that affect our Muslim allies (if they really exist)? I think W was choosing his words carefully.

60 nar9350  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:31:52am

GWOT - Major Strategic Foreign Policy Speech Just Delivered By President Bush

Just saw this over at Roger L. Simon's in a comment by PJ.

Just posted this there:

***

Damn straight PJ!

See this post I just sent around. I took the liberty of excerpting some of the high points here.

A MUST READ go to the White House Press Release link at the bottom

***

GWOT - Major Strategic Foreign Policy Speech Just Delivered By President Bush
Washington, D.C.


President Bush swings from the hips today and delivers barn burner speech calling a, "shovel a shovel." He clearly announces for once the GWOT is a war of ideologies. For the first time he identifies we are at war with an ideology some have called, ". . . evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism."

This is the speech the Blogos has been waiting to hear for a long time. Much of what was said is old news to us but the American people are still clueless because of the lack of reporting of the real issues by the MSM.

The Blogos needs to spread President Bush's words far and wide to ever corner of the earth so that the enemy clearly knows we will not shrink from the battle and its days are numbered!

Ron

(HT PJ at Roger L. Simon)

61 jehu  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:31:56am

Like the ideology of communism, our new enemy is dismissive of free peoples, claiming that men and women who live in liberty are weak and decadent. Zarqawi has said that Americans are, quote, "the most cowardly of God's creatures." But let's be clear: It is cowardice that seeks to kill children and the elderly with car bombs, and cuts the throat of a bound captive, and targets worshipers leaving a mosque. It is courage that liberated more than 50 million people. It is courage that keeps an untiring vigil against the enemies of a rising democracy. And it is courage in the cause of freedom that once again will destroy the enemies of freedom. (Applause.)

Excellent!

62 westman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:32:18am

Just because President Bush has waited until 2005 to give this speech does not mean he is only just now thinking this way.

This speech had some pretty strong stuff in it. For example, he explicitly states that a goal of our enemy is to "establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia". He doesn't specifically use the word "caliphate", but he might as well have.

I'm not sure he could have given this speech in 2001 or 2002. Doing so might have prevented some Muslim countries from cooperating with us. Even the American public, at that time, might have been taken aback.

By contrast he can give this speech today and no one can credibly argue that the United States is waging war against all Islam, given what we have done in Afghanistan and Iraq.

63 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:32:29am
and if that quote is accurate, Bush is an idiot for saying what he said.


cybermonk,
better be careful speaking against a man on a mission from god.
your hair might fall out.
lol

64 jehu  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:33:28am

bubbaman #15

While not defending the actions of this and past administrations, secular, and apostate, Jews might consider NOT voting for politicians that support our Arabist state department.

65 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:34:13am

#12 Eagle
"Now everyone stop drooling over Atlas"

As soon as she stops being so darn droolable. Seriously, why is this comment part of this thread?

66 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:34:22am

sorry,
link at drudge report.com
speaking of god.

67 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:35:13am
68 3 wood  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:35:16am

#53 tankdemon

Freddy Garcia is slated to start for the White Sox. If he is on his game, it could be lights out for the BoSox.

69 AndyStevenson  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:35:27am

#50 Amir

Yeah... I was a little annoyed by the Gaza withdrawal at first, but it definately looks like a bait and switch. I have a feeling it's more of a ploy to get them concentrated in one spot, yeah, it could be a bad thing (base for terror, etc), but it could also be a good thing (fish in a barrel, etc).

Like when the rabbits keep pilfering your garden at night, so one evening, you set out a big pile of food in an open area, and wait in the shadows with a shotgun. The rabbits stumble upon the unexpected gift - amazed at their good luck.

And you sit in the shadows and raise the gun to your shoulder, knowing that tomorrow night, rabbit stew is on the menu.

70 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:36:07am

alegrias

sorry to hear about the BDS of your spouse- so sorry...

as for Pat- He may be dranged- but a NAZI? I don't think so... he's soft on the Pali's and blind- but he doesn't want to KILL ALL JEWS... He IS WRONG on Israel- but I just think NAZI shouldn't be thrown around easily. It minimizes the REAL DANGER OF TRUE NAZI's-- just my 2 cents anyway...

Pat needs to take a long vacation... but NAZI is a bit extreme...

71 RaiderDan  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:37:45am

Excellent speech by the President. its the kind of speech he's needed to make no less than ten times since the start of the War on Terror.

``We had not invaded Iraq when the terrorists struck on Sept. 11, and their anger and hatred will not subside when Iraq fades from view.''

Perfect.


The mere mention by the President of ``Islamofascism'' is long overdue. Here finally was the moral clarity and determination we needed to hear. Too bad we needed this speech months if not years ago.

Still, contrast the steely, clear eyed vision Bush elucidates vs. the whiny, hand-wringing ``I've got a plan'' ``We need to work with the international community'' ``We're the real terrorists'' of John Kerry and the Left and its clear, once again, why Bush won reelection.

72 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:38:16am

well, if we are going to beat up on Christians and God- I'm outta here-

see ya'll lizards later...

73 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:38:19am

43 eeevil conservative
"Holocasut martyr syndrome", his defense of Kurt Waldheim and all other Nazi war criminals, World War II was not worth fighting, his obsession with Neo con- Likudnik cabal, his links to Justina Raimondo, his praise of Hitler as a man "who instinctively recognized the mushiness and weakness of his enemies and who was a soldiers soldier in World War I," his shilling for a book by an idiot Canadian author who wrote that Eisenhower and his lieutenants starved over a million German POW's to death "Uncounted Losses", his constant praising of pro Nazis such as Charles Lindbergh, his whining over what was done to Germany after World War II, his constant use of anti Semitic imagery in describing Israel and its leaders, "People could not have been gassed at Treblinka becaus diesel fuel cannot kill people," his denigration of FDR and Churchill while he makes excuses for Hitler. Do I need to go on?

74 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:40:22am

If the Bush speech is actually reported by the MSM, they'll just rationalize it all by saying we wouldn't be in this struggle with Islamofascism if Bush hadn't started the war in Iraq.

Mark my words.

That's their canard, and they're gonna stick with it.

75 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:40:24am

Joel

Thanks for the GREAT examples...

POINT TAKEN...

SHEESHK- it is like watching him become Jessie Jackson... OUCH!

76 Terp Mole  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:41:04am

The Village Voice croaks:

Somehow in the two years between Bush's first and second speeches at the [National Endowment for Democracy], it is the militants and insurgents who have seized the agenda, and it is the U.S. who can't leave Iraq for fear of delivering the other side a victory that will embolden Islamic jihadist terrorism for decades to come.

As evidenced by what?

Conditions on the battlefield?

Or the opinion of the Manhattan cocktail circuit?

77 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:41:05am

53 tankdemon
As long as the Yankees do not advance I do not care. I actually was offered a ticket for game 4 Staurday night but I might actually give it away.

78 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:41:09am

bye all- be back on another thread later...

79 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:41:30am
80 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:42:26am

75 eeevil conservative
It pains me to have to make the compariosn. I used to agree a lot with Buchanan on a whole host of issues, particularly on immigration control. Now his magazine reads like The Nation.

81 Silhouette  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:42:31am

#31 TMF

No major attacks since 9-11 here in the US,

Hey, that alone gets an A from me.

Sometimes, the war against the the terrorist cowards feels to me like Acapulco cliff diving did to that comedian: There are only two levels: Grand Champion, and Stuff On A Rock.

82 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:42:50am

How are the douchebag denizens of Kos, DU and HuffToast taking this speech?

They must be apoplectic that he didn't wave a white flag while resigning from office.

83 BLUESTAR  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:43:12am

Laying the groundwork for the showdown with Syria and Iran?

Blair shot one across the mad mullahs bow today as well.

Let's hope that the B-2's from Whiteman AFB are being deployed to Diego Garcia.

84 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:43:14am

Bush's speech is a bold leap forward. But please, no more sending out gushing sorority gal Karen Hughes on embarrassing and fruitless missions to rebrand America's image in the Arab world.

85 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:43:55am

Newsmax is reporting that Slick Willie says..

Ex-president Bill Clinton is predicting that the U.S. will lose the war in Iraq, saying "the odds are not great of our prevailing there."
In an interview with the Ladies Home Journal due out next month, Clinton calls the Iraq war "a quagmire" and warns "it could go wrong."


Thanks Bill. Way to spit on the Americans and allies fighting there.

86 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:44:27am

Waiting for the next epiphany: the trouble with Islam is Islam.

87 William  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:44:35am

Fjordman, #47, those images of the pedophile are outstanding:

[Link: fjordman.blogspot.com...]

Artist Kurt Westergaard is a brave man.
 

88 Buck  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:45:17am

I think the term "Islamo-fascism" was invented in the Blogesphere, maybe even here at LGF...

89 gymnast  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:46:18am

#64, Jehu. Can that pony do more than one trick? I doesn't matter who is elected, you are talking about a large civil service buracracy that is being fed by the Middle East Studies Depts of our "finest" educational institutions. I can understand your frustration. Do you understand the problem?

90 westman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:46:22am

#74, Jammie Wearing Fool

...they'll just rationalize it all by saying we wouldn't be in this struggle with Islamofascism if Bush hadn't started the war in Iraq.

You're probably right, but I still thought Bush pre-empted that particular argument pretty effectively with this paragraph:

Some have also argued that extremism has been strengthened by the actions of our coalition in Iraq, claiming that our presence in that country has somehow caused or triggered the rage of radicals. I would remind them that we were not in Iraq on September the 11th, 2001 -- and al Qaeda attacked us anyway. The hatred of the radicals existed before Iraq was an issue, and it will exist after Iraq is no longer an excuse. The government of Russia did not support Operation Iraqi Freedom, and yet the militants killed more than 180 Russian schoolchildren in Beslan.

Still, many in the MSM will not actually bother to read or watch the speech.

91 AtlasShrugged  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:46:37am

pre mega dittos

92 Always right  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:47:15am

Is this Bush's equivalent to Reagan's "evil empire" remark? Are we going to get attacked from the LLLs, Euros and UN crowd for not going along with their gameplan?

Is there any significance to the timing? Blair came out yesterday with the Iranian finger-pointing, and today, this.

93 Terp Mole  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:47:22am

New York Times cites Nancy Pelosi shrieks;

The House minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, assailed the president's rationale as flawed and built on false assumptions - that the United States needed to invade Iraq because under Saddam Hussein it had been stockpiling weapons of mass destruction that could have been made available to terrorists.

"The president's statement that Iraq is the central front on the war on terror is a mistake," she said. The Bush administration "has totally mismanaged the war in Iraq" and "now he's trying to justify his actions with a series of excuses that are not reasons for us to be there."

Ms. Pelosi also renewed calls for the president to present a plan for leaving Iraq. "The president," she said, "still has not put forth a strategy for success."

Nag nag nag

94 Mike C.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:47:24am

RE # 36 D.D.

I'll have to agree with this now. It's been HOURS since the speech, and we haven't invaded Syria or Iran yet. I'm fed up, and I will NOT vote for George W. Bush in 2008.

95 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:47:40am

77,

53 tankdemon
As long as the Yankees do not advance I do not care. I actually was offered a ticket for game 4 Staurday night but I might actually give it away.

Nice to see the Sawx fans surrendering once again.

Last year was a fluke. Now they're back to their usual stumbling, bumbling ways.

Nice play by Graffanino.

Go Yanks. I'll be at the Stadium for the ALCS games, assuming of course they get there. Heading out of town this weekend and gave away the tickets for Friday. I had figured they'd have played Games 1 and 2 at home, but Buck Showalter screwed that plan up.

96 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:48:06am

Islamofascism

Islamofascism/Islamofascist - In general, Islamofascism refers to the notion that Islam is not so much a religion as it is a political ideology that in many ways resembles "fascism" (i.e. the modern common definition of fascism which equates it with totalitarianism, as opposed to the original capital-F Italian-style Fascism). More specifically, Islamofascism is used to describe either the social structure of a society living under strict Islamic shari'a law, or the interpersonal behavior of someone who acts in accordance with true Islam. An Islamofascist can either be an Islamic fundamentalist, or someone who uses violence or bullying tactics to impose Islamic principles on others -- or, more bluntly, a Muslim asshole whose religious beliefs are the source of his assholism. Radio talkshow host Michael Savage has repeatedly claimed on air that he coined the term "Islamofascist" in his first book, and even offered a reward to anyone who could prove he was wrong. However, the term was first used on LGF at least nine months before Savage's book came out: Robert Crawford 3/2/2002 01:43PM. Even so, the casualness with which the word was used in this post leads one to assume it must have been known and used elsewhere beforehand.
97 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:49:36am

I think Pat Buchanan's reflexively, and oftentimes contradictory bashing of Israel is probably symptomatic of an underlying anti-semitism.

I believe, from listening to Pat opine on Israel through the years, almost to the point of obsession, that he dislikes Jews and likely believes many of the myths of classic anti-semitism.

Im with Joel.

98 tankdemon  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:49:51am

I will have to log on at AtlasShrugs and read the speech later. From the comments I've heard, both here and on other sites, he finally opened up. W might not be perfect, but he generally gets things right.

99 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:50:29am

Oops

The islamofascist remark is from
The LGF Dictionary

100 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:51:46am

85,

I hope Bush someday realizes Clinton is the enemy.

Enough of this making nice nice with him. The man is inbred scum.

101 Gates of Vienna  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:52:36am

About the speech, all I can say is wow, and my only question is why hasn't that speech been given sooner -- and more often. Or maybe it has but we have gatekeepers who want us to have our fingers in your ears.

102 amir  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:53:02am

Mike C.

I will NOT vote for George W. Bush in 2008.


I'm sure that's a threat nobody is taking seriously.

103 blert  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:53:31am

#69

The correct image is toothpaste in a tube.

Any IDF action will drive the paste into Eqypt.

104 RadicalRon  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:53:36am

I can hardly wait for the Leftisphere's rebuttal.

105 krazykounselor  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:53:39am

#97 TMF

I thought it was common knowledge that Pat Buchanan was an anti-Semite.

106 AtlasShrugged  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:53:53am

#3 leper

I wonder how Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi are going to spin this?

well here is an idication, right after the speech an asshat on FOX asked "would Iraq be the war on terror if we had not made it so?"

OF COURSE NOT YOU STUPID C*NT, IT WOULD BE DOWNTOWN MADHATTAN!

shit for brains

ok cursing over, sorry

107 jehu  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:54:08am

Terp Mole

If you really didn't like someone and wanted them to commit suicide within a month...make them marry Nancy Pelosi.

108 W-lover  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:54:42am
The terrorists regard Iraq as the central front in their war against humanity. And we must recognize Iraq as the central front in our war on terror.

But...but..that's not what Michael Moore told me!

/idiot

109 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:55:21am

#105

It might not be.

He's sneaky and closeted about it, but its there if you poke around enough.

110 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:08am

Not everyone in Europe is an Idiotarian.

Matthias Dapfner wrote an article...EUROPE-THY NAME IS COWARDICE...

He gets it...

111 William  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:08am

Terp Mole, #93, cites the Legacy Times:

The House minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, assailed the president's rationale as flawed and built on false assumptions - that the United States needed to invade Iraq because under Saddam Hussein it had been stockpiling weapons of mass destruction that could have been made available to terrorists.


Meanwhile, here in blogdom:

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

      Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
      Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
      December 16, 1998
      [Link: www.house.gov...]


And:

"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

      President Clinton
      Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
      February 17, 1998
      [Link: www.cnn.com...]


How do these partisan empty-heads sleep at night, undermining their country, and those dying fighting and for it, just to score political points because a Republican is in the White House?

The term 'Treason Lobby' really fits.
 

112 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:12am

#100 Jamie

I hope Bush someday realizes Clinton is the enemy


Yep, at the same time Bush 41 is working with Willie on the relief thing, slick is attacking Bush 43.

Clinton has no pride. He's huge in Hollywood and Europe, but he knows his legacy is...nothing. For good or bad, 2001-2009 are the most eventful 8 years since 1961-69, and Bush is in the middle of it.

Clinton is more like Chester Arthur's years.

113 tankdemon  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:20am

85 Dave the...

Anybody who listens to Clinton's perspective of international affairs and treats his thoughts with anything other than total disdain obviously wasn't paying attention in the 90's.

114 W-lover  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:32am

106 Atlas-

That was beautiful, but can you tell us how you really feel?

115 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:32am

This speech could have been written using the collective wisdom of LGF.

This was a very important speech. It served notice that Bush is not backing down one bit in this war. He tied terror to Islamofascism and tied it all into one civilizational war being waged against terror everywhere. From Beslan to Netanyah and from London to Bali. One enemy, one war.

Here is a President of the US saying there is only one war on terror and attacks against all people regardless of their faith is a sin and crime against all humanity. He said that nothing excuses terror attacks wherever they occur; he references terrorism against Jews and Israel several times in this speech.

In less than a week Syria will be confronted with the Hirari murder and Britain accused Iran today of killing HM troops in Iraq.

This is the kind of clarity that must cause the halls of terror in Damascus and Tehran to shake.

This speech is huge and if deeds follow words, the weeks to come will be interesting indeed. Assad is so doomed.

This is a very important speech, now we will see if Bush's deeds live up to these words; I predict they will.

Also note, no mention of North Korea. Bush did not mention it because of the recent agreement.

I will say it again, this was a big speech. Save a copy and compare what happens over the next few months. I think it also explains the Meirs nomination. Assuming there is no conservative backlash, she will sail through. Just as when the Senate met Roberts the Dems found no idealogue, here again Bush has put a real conservative up for the bench. This type of candidate was intentional, the administration is going to be very busy on other fronts.

116 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:56:59am

97 TMF
If you read Buchanan's columns you will find as you say a "reflexive anti Israel position." He shed tears for Yassin and Rantissi, refers to Sharon as "raging Bull", mentions Deir Yassin and other lies about Israel all the time - all to the point where I beleive he has become Joseph Sobran II.

His magazine is a fever swamp of Israel and Jew hatred which features some of the most ridiculous Israel/neo Con conspiracy theories propagated by the execrable likes of Taki, Scott McConnell, Dennis "Justina" Raimondo, Eric Margolis and the witch Karen Kwiatkowski.

If Buchanan is not a Jew hater then he is doing a great job of pretending to be one. Instapunk refers to him as "Pat Buchenwald."

117 W-lover  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:57:23am

Dave the...

I thought Clintoons legacy was the new condoms.

118 flipflop  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:57:51am

I thought it was a decent speech, but I'd have preferred a bit more fire breathing.

But like I posted on my own blog earlier, I think he's preaching to the choir. How many moonbats do you think watched that today and said, "Oh my God! He's right!"?

119 V-Man  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:57:56am

this marks the first time that Bush has identified and described the real goals of radical Islam

You know what this means, don't you?

We're winning. Slowly, but surely.

120 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:57:57am

#6 .

Clever nic. Welcome, newly-hatched lizardoid.

121 Eagle  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:58:21am

#65 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Check today's open thread. Atlas linked to Bush's speech. She got a few "thank you's" for that, and a few wolf whistles also.


BTW, great nic!

122 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:58:39am

atlasshrugged

would Iraq be the war on terror if we had not made it so?"

Uhh, YEAH, it would be.

Ya think the 1000s of IRAQI terrorists who have been blowing up kids with highly sophisticated car bombs and IEDs learned that shit fucking YESTERDAY, Pelosi?

But you cant expect that drooling orangutan masquerading as a sentient human to know that could we?

123 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:58:42am

44{loppyd}
Worst case - (Channeling Casblanca) - "We'll always have 2004"!

124 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:01:34am

#105 krazykounselor

I know he is. I was dismayed to hear him on Michael Savage's show recently, talking about the borders.

I lost all respect for Buchanan when he turned anti-Semitic.

125 coldwarrior  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:01:48am

policy changes in an embedded bureaucracy with a professional and educated middle-management take a very long time to accomplish. the civil service i.e. state department non-political appointees have their own agendas and beliefs that are often quite independent of the executive in power at the time.

this speech by bush can be seen as phase 1 of an attempted change of policy/attitude toward islam by changing the working definition and description of 'radical' islam. you will note that there was not one mention of the 'religion of peace' in the speech, not was there an overt play to the ever illusive moderate muslim, as there were mentions of these in the past.

i beleive what we have witnessed here is a very public first shot to change the parameters of the current foregin policy by altering the working definition of the enemey at hand. if his administration is indeed serious abut this, it will be reiterated on the sunday morning talking talking heads and there will be some changes in policy. if this was just a bone for the conservative base to knaw on then we won't see much.

126 tankdemon  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:01:51am

I get the impression that the only thing that would have made this speech any better would have been for W to be wearing a Piglet lapel pin and eating a ham sandwich while giving it.

127 yochanan  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:02:01am

I heard the speech THIS IS WHY I SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH

128 AtlasShrugged  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:02:49am

I love this speech so I am going to memorize it...

Bin Laden has stated: "The whole world is watching this war and the two adversaries. It's either victory and glory, or misery and humiliation." The terrorists regard Iraq as the central front in their war against humanity. And we must recognize Iraq as the central front in our war on terror.
129 Ben F  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:02:58am

High point for me:

The images and experience of September the 11th are unique for Americans. Yet the evil of that morning has reappeared on other days, in other places—in Mombasa, and Casablanca, and Riyadh, and Jakarta, and Istanbul, and Madrid, and Beslan, and Taba, and Netanya, and Baghdad, and elsewhere.

Imagine, an attack on Israel being listed along with the rest. (Note that Istanbul was an attack on two synagogues, and that Taba was an attack on an Egyptian resort that is frequented by Israelis.)

Low point:

Many Muslim scholars have already publicly condemned terrorism, often citing Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Koran, which states that killing an innocent human being is like killing all humanity, and saving the life of one person is like saving all of humanity.

IMO, many Muslim scholars citing this verse to Western audiences are engaging in taqiyya. Here is the one rendering of the full verse:

[5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.

The teaching in question is not presented in the Quran as a commandment for all of humanity; it is merely context for a criticism of the Israelites. The fact that this teaching is identified as being for the Israelites is critical, because one theme of the Sura is that Jews, Christians and Muslims should each follow the revelations that were given to their own communities. The culmination of that argument is at verse 48:

[5:48] Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny—all of you—then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.

IMO, by citing this verse as though it were an Islamic ethical teaching, Bush encourages the belief of our enemies that we are easily duped.

130 Van Impe  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:03:59am

Meanwhile Al-Qaeda is hiring:

DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda has put job advertisements on the Internet asking for supporters to help put together its Web statements and video montages, an Arabic newspaper reported.
The London-based Asharq al-Awsat said on its Web site this week that al Qaeda had "vacant positions" for video production and editing statements, footage and international media coverage about militants in Iraq, the Palestinian territories, Chechnya and other conflict zones where militants are active.
The paper said the Global Islamic Media Front, an al Qaeda-linked Web-based organization, would "follow up with members interested in joining and contact them via email".
Asharq al-Awsat said the advert did not specify salary amounts, but added: "Every Muslim knows his life is not his, since it belongs to this violated Islamic nation whose blood is being spilled. Nothing should take precedence over this."

From al-Reuters (of course).

131 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:04:26am

95 JammieWearingFool
Last years blowing of games 4, 5, 6 and 7 by an unnmaed AL East team in the ALCS was the biggest foldo in post season history!

132 Eagle  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:05:47am

#126 tankdemon

LOL!

133 W-lover  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:07:05am
The London-based Asharq al-Awsat said on its Web site this week that al Qaeda had "vacant positions" for video production and editing statements

Yeah- I'll edit your statements!

Dirka dirka!

134 flipflop  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:07:17am

#130 Van Impe

heheh...I wonder how those "vacant positions" became vacant. :-)

135 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:07:20am

W-Lover

I thought Clintoons legacy was the new condoms.

Heh heh, Reagan gets the nations capital's airport named after him, Clinton gets Chinese condoms.

Sometimes there is justice.

136 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:07:50am
His magazine is a fever swamp of Israel and Jew hatred which features some of the most ridiculous Israel/neo Con conspiracy theories propagated by the execrable likes of Taki, Scott McConnell, Dennis "Justina" Raimondo, Eric Margolis and the witch Karen Kwiatkowski.


if you hate a group of people,
always tie them to a conspiracy it makes for better reading.

hitler didnt kill 6 million jews,
there were only 4 million living in germany.
the writer does not tell you 2 million came from outside germany.
the reader thinks, hey 6 million is a fng lie.
lee harvey oswald could not have hit kennedy in the head and neck with three bullets.
hell, he was a marine sharp shooter, most drill sergants would have kicked his ass for missing 1
out of three. but it was a conspiracy.

/rant off.

137 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:07:58am

131,

26 World Series titles helped ease the blow.

Once a century, even the little brother beats the big brother.

Winning the Al East at Fenway was just a small downpayment on the payback you should expect.

138 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:08:50am

#127

I heard the speech THIS IS WHY I SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH

Yep, Bush may be a little too liberal for me when it comes to domestic things, but the WOT is #1 right now. Actually I'll put it at #'s 1-5.

139 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:09:11am
I'll have to agree with this now. It's been HOURS since the speech, and we haven't invaded Syria or Iran yet.

Nice try.

Actually it's been nearly TWO YEARS since the fall of Baghdad. To date, the President hasn't taken any serious steps to punish Syria for it's ongoing funding and support of an insurgency that killed thousands of Americans and Iraqis.

But President Bush did give a powerful speech today though, that alone makes everything all well and good in Mike C's world.

140 jrdroll  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:09:19am

#115

I think it also explains the Meirs nomination

I agree. If W is to be effective he's got to limit the number fronts he wants to fight.

141 crabtree  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:10:01am

This was a fabulous speech, delivered with passion, and LONG overdue. He finally called a spade a spade and talked about a war of ideologies, equivalent to the Cold War against Communism. Expect CAIR and their friends to go ballistic. Goody for them.

This speech needs to be repeated over and over again until the MSM can't ignore the point and the ANSWER folks are marginalized even more.

By the way, doesn't it seem that Saint Cindy's 15 minutes of fame are over? Thank God!

142 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:10:20am
DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda has put job advertisements on the Internet asking for supporters to help put together its Web statements and video montages, an Arabic newspaper reported.

I thought Mike Al-Moore already had that job?

143 coldwarrior  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:12:17am

141 crabtree

watch it! if you say HER name 3 times she will appear!

144 W-lover  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:12:26am

Dave the...

Sometimes there is justice.

And I'm sure Hillary & Chelsea are sooo proud!

145 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:13:48am

#129 Ben F

IMO, by citing this verse as though it were an Islamic ethical teaching, Bush encourages the belief of our enemies that we are easily duped.

Agreed. And, in so doing, makes our enemies and their supporters feel infinitely superior to us.

Let's hope the upside is that they underestimate the infidels' ability to fight and destroy them.

/But their superior attitude still really gets under my skin sometimes.

146 scott in east bay  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:14:22am

No, Cindy's still around. She came back to the Bay Area and has now moved to Berkeley, a World Heritage Site for Old Hippies and revolutionary wannabes. I'm sure she can find a job in a locally owned, independent, womyn-owned, organic macrame yarn shop.

147 Prester John  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:15:59am

#141 #143 Don't be so sure. There were reports on CNN (and others I think) regarding her at a anti-war fund-raiser in, where else, San Francisco. The Main Stream Traitors, I mean Media, will keep her in the public eye every chance they get.

148 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:18:05am

135 dave,

Heh heh, Reagan gets the nations capital's airport named after him, Clinton gets Chinese condoms.


roflol
made by
sum-youn-lips

chinese rubber co.

149 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:18:17am

Ms. Pelosi also renewed calls for the president to present a plan for leaving Iraq. "The president," she said, "still has not put forth a strategy for success."


...and Ms. Pelosi still has not put forth any evidence that she's sentient...

150 vdh in '08  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:18:25am

#82

I just looked. nothing on Kos about the speech.

151 coldwarrior  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:18:30am

146 scott

I'm sure she can find a job in a locally owned, independent, womyn-owned, organic macrame yarn shop.

that's organic HEMP macrame yarn shop. :)

152 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:18:52am

#144 W-Lover

Dave the...

Sometimes there is justice.

And I'm sure Hillary & Chelsea are sooo proud!


OMG! Can you imagine if Hillary runs in '08, instead of waving flip flops we can wave condoms?

153 Silhouette  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:18:58am

As for the President using the term Islamofascist, I won't be sure that LGF is having a real effect on language until I hear him ask an antagonistic and accusatory reporter at a press conference if the reporter enjoyed the movie Mr. Holland's Opus.

154 W-lover  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:19:34am
The Main Stream Traitors, I mean Media, will keep her in the public eye every chance they get.

And you ain't just whistling Dixie, Brotha!

155 Darleen  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:20:23am

I'm listening to Michael Medved's show and he's played clips of Nancy "botox" Pelosi's "response" to GW's speech...

In a nutshell, she didn't hear it. She restates the tired "Bush Lied People Died" meme and wants the troops home now.

lord.

156 mattm  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:21:44am

The POTUS speech was right on. Now I am waithing to see how the dems will spin this. Some where, Bush Lied™, will appear.

Saw some discussion on Cindy. I don;t think we will hear about her, ubless she appearcsa t some rally with over 10K. She didn not have the intended effect the media wanted, so she will be simply pushed off to the side, until some other anti-war mother, etc, appears.

157 J.D.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:21:54am

#155 Darleen
Didn't she say, "He has to be stopped! He has to be stopped!" even one time?

158 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:23:13am

Dear Ms Pelosi,
Even if the troops came home tomorrow the tour is just not that hard that one of them would ever be tempted to date you. /sarcasm

159 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:23:55am

Some of the criticisms that we're seeing on this thread are the same that we saw after each of the earlier major foreign policy pronouncements - not going after Syria and Iran hard enough, not doing enough to show US successes, etc.

But we are seeing some incrementalism in the speech (terrorist attacks on Israel mentioned in same breath as attacks elsewhere), naming the enemy (Islamic terrorism), but we're still not quite dealing with Iran and Syria out in the open.

160 quark2  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:24:58am

@152 Irene NYC

OMG! Can you imagine if Hillary runs in '08, instead of waving flip flops we can wave condoms?

*LMAO!

/ewww!
161 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:27:46am

#159 lawhawk

not going after Syria and Iran hard enough, not doing enough to show US successes, etc.


Yeah, and I think it is the people with those criticisms that are skewing the 'do not approve of Bush's handling of the Iraq war' numbers.

162 Fatal  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:29:09am

My favorite line of the speech, had me applauding my TV screen at home before leaving for work (no applause from the audience though . . hmmm?)

No act of ours invited the rage of the killers -- and no concession, bribe, or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.

People here can bash Bush for not blasting the Palestinians, or for not naming all of "islam" as the enemy (something no sane President would do), but give the man his props. This is an "in your face democrats/leftists" line that should ring forth across our nation.

Meanwhile Pelosi continues with the "timetable for withdrawal" no "plan for success" BS.

Is it any wonder the left is losing the soul of America?

163 Sean  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:32:31am

It's about time!

164 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:35:31am

I'm with #36 Dirk Diggler in skepticism. Yes, this speech could have been written by VDH...3 years ago. And it probably was, and shoved into a drawer as "too inflammatory", with just the lengthening list of atrocities updated for today. Only today, Bush's need to get an infuriated base off his back overrode his natural tendency to play Nicely Nicely Johnson when it comes to Islam. He doesn't get it, and he never will. He thinks he's got some insight into "real" Islam, and nothing Muslims do will ever shake his confidence in his own ability to "look into the heart" of that cult.

165 SaneInMN  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:35:33am

OT...Louis Freeh drops a truth bomb on our favorite President.

Just heard Hannity talking about the release of former FBI director Louis Freeh's new book in which he details the poor relationship he had with then President Clinton. Check out Drudge or 60 Minutes (puke! if you can stomach CBS).

What caught my attention was Clinton's response to the Khobar Towers bombing. Instead of demanding answers from crown prince abdullah (and one on one interviews with the captured Saudi terrorists), Clinton hit the prince up for a DONATION to his Presidential library! Much more from Hannity and Drudge. I know its a book, but many of us here already knew that Clinton's tenure was a primer on derliction of duty. But hey, according to slick, we can't win in Iraq. Maybe he is still having nightmares about Somalia, Rwanda, the 93 WTC bombing, the Dayton Accords, the USS Cole, etc...

166 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:36:41am

More Hispanic women coverting to Islam

There are some 40,000 Hispanic Muslims in the United States, according to a spokesman for the Islamic Society of North America. The largest populations live in New York, Texas, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami,

So which will come first? Eurabia... or Amerabia?

167 thscott  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:37:56am

Finally!

168 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:38:33am

Note to Ms. Pelosi:

Bringing the troops home now is equivalent to bringing them home at the Battle of the Bulge.

169 Baldy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:38:39am

Before the Iraq war, I was against it. Then, I heard the "45 minutes" needed for them to hit the US, and I didn't buy it. Once the President laid out the case, along with Sec Powell at the UH & then Congress authorized the war, I supported it. It doesn't matter anymore if Iraq did or didn't have WMD. We are there, with the whole world watching. I strongly support the war and the President, and am apalled at the likes of Sen Pelosi. She along with other Dems (and some Reps) are demoralizing the American people. I don't know if they're succeeding doing the same with the troops, but the American people aare the key. If they support the US, the troops, and the war, then everything will work out.

I am glad President Bush won. He, rather than Kerry (and the other Dems) understands that we can't run away like scared children. I hope the Dems fix their party, someday they will be in the WH again. The country can't survive if they continue as they have for 40 years. Someday we may have China, in addition to the Ummah to deal with.

170 thscott  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:41:58am
Islamo-fascism

Yes!

171 zombie  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:43:30am

This is why I voted for Bush -- my first Republican vote ever. It's speeches like this one where he obviously "gets it." Sure, there was some political tiptoe-ing, but can you imagine the speech that Jean François Kerry would have given at this stage of his presidency? I shudder to think. It would probably start, "As the figurehead president of the Islamic Republic of America, I for one welcome our new Muslim overlords...".

Bush may not be perfect, but on the one issue that really matters -- the global war against Islamofascism -- he's the best option we have. I'm willing to forgive all his other peccadilloes because he is so strong on this one key stance.

This is what the LLLs around here don't understand. They endlessly criticize Bush on petty and semi-irrelevant domestic issues, AS IF I CARED and as if his Social Security policy or his views on global warming are more important that saving Western civilization.

I'm bascially a single-issue voter now. Party affiliation means nothing. If a Democrat strong on the WoT (like Lieberman) ran against a weak-kneed isolationist Republican, I'd vote Dem. But until the Dems shake off the MoveOn/Dean/Hilary cabal, that isn't likely to happen. So I -- along with 5% of other crucial swing voters -- will continue to vote against them. And they'll continue to lose.

172 flipflop  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:43:34am

#169 Baldy

I'm a recovering Democrat. Went through a 12 step program, and I'm all better now.

I was also opposed to invading Iraq until a couple of months before we actually went in, then came around to the idea that it really needed to be done, with or without WMD.

One of these days, I'll get things right the first time.

173 SaneInMN  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:44:45am

164 Dr. Mabuse...

If Predident Bush "...doesn't get it.." then name me your list of nationally elected officials that do. For not getting it, he sure takes a lot of s$#t from others who, in my book, really don't "get it"!

The doesn't get it arguement against Bush could surely me made regarding his stance on the Borders, but not the WOT. Mistakes? Of course. The Fallujah retreat, not comming down hard on looters in Iraq, the refusal to level mosques harboring maggots, etc. But mistakes where, are, and will be made in any and all wars. Tactical misakes in warfare do not equate to a President not "getting it" with regards to radical Islam. And NO elected official in the US is going to issue a statement labelling Islam as a "Death Cult". Even if that is true, what benefit would that give our soldiers in the field and their Iraqi and Afghanistan allies in fighting against the terrorists and their propaganda?

174 Prester John  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:45:22am

RE: Der Schlickmeister complaining about how Bush didn't wait for the inspections to finish, we went in alone etc.

This is coming from the guy who in Dec 1998 launched a mini-war 4 day war against Saddam's suspected WMD sites with support from the Brits. Now, if Saddam didn't have any WMDs at that time, then Slick was obviously trying to divert attention from the impeachment--he lied and Iraqis died.

If Saddam did have WMDs, are we do believe that every bit of them were destroyed under the gallant leadership of the Boy President in the span of 96 hours? And if they weren't destroyed in those 96 hours of glory, where did they go?

175 Powderfinger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:45:49am

It was a great speech. I like it even better having read it after listening to it. Minus a few realpolitik generated quibbles, I agree with everything he said.

Now I want to know why he didn't give this speech 2 years ago, and whether he intends to act like he believes what he said today.

You're right, Mr. President. Now let's get it done.

176 Ann  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:47:59am

#164 Dr. Mabuse

Bush's need to get an infuriated base off his back

Fred Barnes stated that the speech was prepared before 9/11, but it was delayed because of Katrina.

He doesn't get it, and he never will.

How do you know that? As the POTUS, he must walk a fine line with all rhetoric.

177 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:48:07am
178 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:48:41am

re: Louis Freeh and the FBI

I'm sorry, but no amount of blame gaming and babble in his book is going to change the fact that the FBI, the CIA and all the other agencies entrusted with the sworn and solemn duty to protect and defend the US from enemies foreign and domestic failed to do their job.

If Freeh was so upset over this, there were ways that he could have dealt with the issue. Instead, he sounds like he's crying over spilt milk, instead of the realization that his inaction may have cost American lives. Do we have any indication that the FBI improved their surveillance of terror groups in the US over when Freeh first took office. I would argue not.

Heck, the computer systems at the FBI are in as bad shape now, if not worse, than when Freeh first got the job. And that computer system was supposed to make field agents jobs easier in sharing case info.

179 Powderfinger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:48:59am

#171 zombie

I'm bascially a single-issue voter now. Party affiliation means nothing.

Yup. I'd vote for Lieberman (Joementum!) over Buchanan in a New York minute.

Hillary? I'd sooner vote for Ross Perot...again. :)

Let's just win this thing, shall we?

180 Powderfinger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:50:33am

#177 taxfreekiller

Brilliant. Even without the commas.

181 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:51:55am

#165 SaneInMN

Louis Freeh drops a truth bomb on our favorite President.


Louis Freeh can kiss my ass. He can write reams and tomes on The Evil Clinton and it won't wash the blood from his own hands.

It was Freeh and Larry Potts that lied to Janet Reno about what was happening to the children inside Waco that led to her authorization of the storming of the compound.

It was Larry Potts that authorized that horrid debacle at Ruby Ridge.

It was Louis Freeh that, after all this, tried to promote Larry Potts.

And had to back down in the storm of criticism.

182 Baldy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:53:51am

DU Upset Rep Jane Harman (D) Is Trying to Bolster Democratic Nat Sec Image (DemocratricUnderground)

Starbucks Anarchist (736 posts) Thu Oct-06-05 07:37 AM Response to Original message 1. No, Jane, raging homophobes cost us. Stop feeding the war machine. It'll eat you if it has to.

It goes on from there. They haven't a clue, the same as most Dems. They are not just perceived as weak, they are weak. They also think the President's job has something to do with more socialism.

183 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:54:51am

Compare Bush's speech to this one, just delivered by Al Bore.

184 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:57:51am
185 ChicagoBlue  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:58:42am

#177 taxfree

And a damn good job you did.

Damn good job!

186 J.D.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:59:38am

#184 taxfreekiller
You think Louis Freeh at this point has the wherewithall [for lack of a better word] to do that?

187 Powderfinger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:00:39am

#183 scaramouche

I had to stop when algore got to the "helpless prisoners" part. It made me cry and I was sad to be an American.

/not

188 Blue Chip  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:03:32am

#177

TFK is writing speeches for GWB?

That would explain those syntax issues I’ve always wondered about….


Seriously, I was taken with this:
“The time has come for all responsible Islamic leaders to join in denouncing an ideology that exploits Islam for political ends, and defiles a noble faith. “

No doubt, the MSM will be chasing down the local Imans and his followers to get their agreement with this, no?

//Lord, I lothe the MSM

189 j-damn  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:03:51am
Go Yanks. I'll be at the Stadium for the ALCS games*

Nice capitalization there in an attempt to deify a dump.


*I had figured they'd have played Games 1 and 2 at home, but Buck Showalter screwed that plan up.

Yeah, Buck Showalter made your guys lose that last game against the Red Sox.

190 Baldy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:04:17am

MAYBE the reason he had the speech today was (in addition to Miers issue) is the 10/15 vote, and the chatter about the Great Ramadan Offensive. I keep posting about it, don't know if there's validity or not, but it seems with Katrina & Harriet (Miers), BOTH sides of the aisle are furious at the President, and forget that there's a war on, and what we say and do here may be misinterpreted by AL Qaida. HOW MANY commas can I use in a sentence? I lost track of what I was about to say. I just have my occasional sense of extreme unease. I hope it's nothing.

191 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:04:45am

cybermonk

you were right, nabil shaath is an idiot.
also a terrorists,
fatah central committee.
didnt most of them get blown up in that palestinian parade of peace? they were screwing around with a jewish cell phone, wires or something.
lol

and very pleased to have the opportunity to introduce Dr. Nabil Shaath, the Minister of Planning and International Cooperation in the Palestinian Authority and a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council for Younis in southern Gaza, from where his family hails. Dr. Shaath is also a member of the
Fatah Central Committee.
192 blutonazi98  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:05:26am

Nice speech Mr. President! Now do what your mouth says it will and allow our armed forces to use EVERY means that they need to win! Did I say EVERY means? I am saying if it takes the air force to level a town then level it. If we "have to destroy the village in order to save it" then let loose the firebombs. Do not care about collateral damage at all. WIN just WIN and WIN right now! Our armed forces are the best the world has ever seen. Please Mr. President tell them their job and get out of their way!

193 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:07:04am
194 Ann  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:08:45am

Well, CNN is bashing the speech.

Daryn, it was more a speech about passion, a well-crafted and passionate speech, making an appeal and sort of an attack, an ideological attack, on al Qaeda, than it was a speech about hard facts.
So it will be interesting to see, Daryn, whether any of the officials in the administration are willing to fill in the details there and tell us about 10 successful disruptions of al Qaeda attacks, including three in the United States.

Idiots.

195 Prester John  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:10:40am

#183 & #187 Ah yes, those helpless prisoners. Picked up for no reason at all other than for sadistic American soldiers to have someone to torture. The fact that they were on their way to kill, or knew of others who were going to kill, Coalition Forces and innocent Iraqis is of no account. The fact that all they have to do is to answer the questions of their interrogators to avoid even the slightest mistreatment is of no account. Afterally, aren't they all just like us? Don't they love freedom and life just like we do? Oh wait, you mean they don't?

We should all fall to our knees every morning and every evening before going to bed to thank God that W is in the White House.

196 loppyd  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:10:54am

I root for two baseball teams:

The Red Sox and whatever team is playing the Yankees.

/still reeling from last night

197 Powderfinger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:12:23am

loppyd...it ain't over till it's over.

It was a Yankee that said that, but the Red Sox who proved it!

/yeah right...

198 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:12:30am

#194

Or what al Qaeda would call "useful idiots".

199 j-damn  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:13:22am
I root for two baseball teams:The Red Sox and whatever team is playing the Yankees.

I despise the Yankees, Braves, Cardinals and White Sox--so I'm bound to be disappointed. If the Yanks play the Cards in the WS, I won't watch a single pitch.

200 newmelleman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:13:55am

TFK

You sir are on fire today! I'm luvin' it...keep'em comin.

NMM

201 Always right  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:14:12am

This speech (and delivery) makes the ones from Biden and Clinton (Billy boy) the other day look particularly stupid, isn't it?

Quaqmire, exit stratagy, etc. Bah! Have they (Dems) show us any viable alternatives yet? No thanks to them, if they are only to propose "global" coorperation, greater Iraqi involvment (translate - give in to Sunni demand), exit while we can, blah blah blah.

Note to Dems: those have already been rejected, last Nov, remember?

202 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:15:44am

my vote for hillary clinton 08 sign
will have chinese condoms tacked to it.

and my bumper sticker will say
vote for hillary and get a rubber.

203 newmelleman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:16:29am

#199 j-damn

I should read up the thread to see what team you do root for. Without doing that I would guess Red Sox and you hate the other teams for beating them in the WS/playoffs...back when the earth was young.

NMM

204 j-damn  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:16:31am
vote for hillary and get a rubber.

More like Vote for Hillary and get screwed.

205 Baldy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:16:43am

#183 scaramouche -

As a result of these fears, safeguards were enacted in the U.S. -- including the Public Interest Standard, the Equal Time Provision, and the Fairness Doctrine - though a half century later, in 1987, they were effectively repealed. And then immediately afterwards, Rush Limbaugh and other hate-mongers began to fill the airwaves.
The present executive branch has made it a practice to try and control and intimidate news organizations: from PBS to CBS to Newsweek. They placed a former male escort in the White House press pool to pose as a reporter - and then called upon him to give the president a hand at crucial moments.

Barney Frank, Bill Clinton, Gary Condit...

206 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:16:53am

ROVE TO RETESTIFY before Grand Jury in Plame case.

With no guarantee he wont be indicted.

My prediction:

He'll be indicted.

Not because he committed a crime, but b/c the Prosecutor has to indict SOMEONE at this point.

207 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:16:59am
208 j-damn  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:17:10am
I should read up the thread to see what team you do root for.

Worse than the Red Sox.


The Cubs.

I know, I know...

209 will_not_back_down  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:17:16am

Best part of speech:

Over the years these extremists have used a litany of excuses for violence -- the Israeli presence on the West Bank, or the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia, or the defeat of the Taliban, or the Crusades of a thousand years ago. In fact, we're not facing a set of grievances that can be soothed and addressed. We're facing a radical ideology with inalterable objectives: to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world. No act of ours invited the rage of the killers -- and no concession, bribe, or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.
On the contrary: They target nations whose behavior they believe they can change through violence. Against such an enemy, there is only one effective response: We will never back down, never give in, and never accept anything less than complete victory. (Applause.)
210 newmelleman  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:18:47am

#208

...Completely Useless By September?

/my sympathies

NMM

211 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:18:51am

No. 188 Bluechip:

This sentence from Bush's speech —

“The time has come for all responsible Islamic leaders to join in denouncing an ideology that exploits Islam for political ends, and defiles a noble faith. “ —

Is white hot, molten, explosive.

It is the guantlet thrown down.

The time has come.

Don't sit there silently.

If you do, the cross-hairs will soon be upon you.

Don't think Mr. Bush knows the implications here. Look at the timing of the speech too. The islamic world was still up in their time zones when he gave it, most of them.

212 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:19:02am

#194 Ann 10/6/2005 01:08PM PDT

...Idiots.


Agreed!...the funny thing is, I think Daryn is the Georgia mistress Rush keeps referring to...isn't that wierd?

213 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:19:10am

#188 Blue Chip

“The time has come for all responsible Islamic leaders to join in denouncing an ideology that exploits Islam for political ends, and defiles a noble faith. “

Um, hard to see how that could happen, given that the "ideology" they'd be denouncing is part and parcel of their holy book. Doesn't the Koran itself command the faithful to pursue jihad and conquer the world for dar al Islam?

214 j-damn  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:20:56am
...Completely Useless By September?

This year they were completely useless by the ASB.

215 Ann  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:22:33am

#198 scaramouche

This was the National Security Correspondent wanting details on classified information!

216 jimgoism  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:23:38am

Wait until the EU finishes its take over of the internet (cant find the link) but i read this morning they have pretty much agreed to Force the US to give up the internet..


I can forsee where anyone critical of the DEATH cult Islam
Will be arrested on an international warrent and handed over to the UN...

even 2 years ago i would have said no way...

Now its comming to pass..

217 will_not_back_down  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:25:24am

#175 Powderfinger

Reading the President's Speech give them a bit more power and clarity. Although of the clips I've seen this afternoon he did a great job. Thanks President for speaking up for the silent majority.

218 Baldy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:26:00am

#172 flipflop - I'm still a Dem (we have a closed primary in a 66-75& Dem city...). I can't see myself as a Rep though. Lately, even the Reps aren't Reps anymore. But they're LIGHT-YEARS ahead of the Dems on just about everything I can think of.

219 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:27:24am

#213,

Could be another one of those "W. makes a reasonable sounding request that the enemy can't possibly comply with" moments?

220 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:29:54am
221 Blue Chip  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:31:59am

#211 and #213

I’m hoping (wishful thinking) the MSM will put Muslims (here and in Europe) on the spot and ask them categorically if they do or do not support the terrorists who are causing death in the name of Islam.

I’m guessing you’ll see lots of squirming and hears lots of moral relativism in their replies.

The American people (especially the LLLs) need to see this.

222 3 wood  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:35:36am

Just checked with my moonbat sister for her take on this, for grins. Waste of time. She is oblivious to what is going on in the world right now. Typical moonbat, she thinks the whole world revolves around her own little personnal issues.

223 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:37:46am
224 J.D.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:38:15am

#220 taxfreekiller
I suppose it could be, though I doubt we will ever know...

OT
FRANCE: AL-QAEDA STEPS UP PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES

Paris, 6 Oct. (AKI) - Al-Qaeda has translated into French a video message by its number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri's, evidence that it is stepping up its propaganda activities in France, a document obtained by Adnkronos International (AKI) - has revealed. Al-Zawahiri's message, in which Osama bin Laden's voice can be heard claiming the 7 July attacks on London's transport system, has been issued with French subtitles. ...
225 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:38:55am

Bush referred to the imperialism of terror.

Well, at least he correctly identified their imperial aspirations, even if he failed to correctly identify the source which drives their ambitions.

226 keelie  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:41:03am

#116 - Joel

Sharon as a "raging bull".

I like that. There are certain sexual and fear-related overtones in someone who says things like that.

I hope Buchanan's paranoia and other obvious mental problems cause him much grief.

227 Roger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:45:05am

#223 taxfreekiller, yea, convince them it is more stable to go with a Flip-flop Christian.

228 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:45:35am
More like Vote for Hillary and get screwed.


roflol

229 AtlasShrugged  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:47:44am

BOYCOTT!

Advertising on Terror TV - Mark Dubowitz and Roberta Bonazzi
In one episode of the 29-part Ramadan special "Al-Shatat, The Diaspora," broadcast on Hizballah's global satellite channel, al-Manar, a rabbi orders his young son to kidnap a Christian friend so that his throat can be slit and the blood drained to be used to make food for Passover. The rest of the series tells the usual anti-Semitic plot of alleged Jewish aspirations for world domination. Al-Manar routinely runs videos encouraging children to become suicide bombers, calls for terrorists to attack coalition soldiers in Iraq, and promises that "martyrs" will be rewarded in the afterlife.
While a large part of al-Manar's operating budget comes from Iran, a significant portion is derived from ad revenue. A handful of multinational corporations still advertise on al-Manar, indirectly endorsing its message of hatred and violence. Within the past few months, al-Manar broadcast ads for products from Nissan, the Japanese car manufacturer; LG, the Korean electronics maker; Tefal, a producer of home cooking products and subsidiary of France-based Groupe SEB; Jovial, a manufacturer of Swiss watches; and Cellis-Alpha, a cellular SIM card provider owned by Fal Dete Telecommunications, a Saudi-German consortium majority-owned by Detecon, which in turn is a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom. European lives and values are under attack by Islamic extremists. Responsible companies should have no relationship with terrorist organizations. (Wall Street Journal Europe, 4Oct05)
230 J.D.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:48:02am
...Now freed from the straitjacket of office, (Richard)Armitage wants to nail this one as a total fallacy. "Those who argued at the time that the acceptance of democracy in Iraq would be easy, and who drew on our experience with Japan and Germany, were wrong. First of all, Germany and Japan were homogeneous societies. Iraq is not. Japan and Germany were also highly developed industrialised economies. Iraq is not.

"Equally, in the case of both Germany and Japan there were memories of democracy; flawed, to be sure, but people were at least familiar with the inner workings and mechanisms. And most important of all, both Japan and Germany had extremely competent and professional bureaucracies. They knew how to run a police force, how to hire tax assessors – all the apparatus of government – and they did it in a way that meant it was not a function of cronyism and corruption, as it was in Iraq.

"Finally, and perhaps most important, in both Germany and Japan's case there were people who suffered during the war and who stayed in the country. They experienced the horror and were victims themselves and afterwards were prepared to take up the cudgels on behalf of democracy. In Iraq, the political class I've seen are people who were part of the diaspora.

"And here's another thing. The humane way in which the coalition fought the war actually has led to a situation where it is more difficult to get people to come together, not less. In Germany and Japan, the population was exhausted and deeply shocked by what had happened, but in Iraq it's been the opposite."

In essence, Armitage is saying that you can . . . impose a radically new system of government on a people (only) if they're on their knees. He emphasises the point by saying "the US is dealing with an Iraqi population that is un-shocked and un-awed". ...


Cut & paste: If only Richard Armitage said this before the Iraq war

231 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:48:31am

#224 j.d.

Hey, maybe al Qaeda can swipe a page from Karen Hughes's Foggy Bottom playbook and try to "rebrand" it's image. How's this for a slogan?:

"Al Qaeda--We love to hate you. So step aside Zionist infidels because the future belongs to those who renounce your decadent, infidel ways and eviscerate themselves for Allah--hopefully, when lots of infidels happen to be around. We spit on your ancestors, you ape-and-pig-loving fools.

Did we mention that the Jews are responsible for all the bad stuff?"

232 Blue Chip  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:49:18am

#223 (Just to clarify)

I think he’s (GWB) calling them out. They claim Islam is a ROP?
Ok, put your words where your feet are (living in a democracy, enjoying the benefits of freedom and capitalism) tell us you deplore the acts of the terrorists killing innocent civilians or defend them.

Let everyone (both pro/con) see that no act done by these homicidal maniacs (the terrorists) will be condemned by these so called men of peace. And BTW, they live in your community and work in your building. And they think it acceptable to kill in this manner? And they subscribe to this religion (more like a cult) that tells them it’s ok to do this?

I have no doubt the MSM wouldn’t attempt to open this bag of snakes.

I’m not expecting a muslim not in my name rally anytime soon.

233 jrdroll  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:50:35am

#229 as

the usual anti-Semitic plot of alleged Jewish aspirations for world domination.

This from people trying to establish a world wide caliphate.

234 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:52:57am

#222 3 wood

A relative I hadn't seen in a while, one who reads the International Herald Tribune because he like to get "the European perspective" on events, 'nuff said, asked me what my politics were these days.

"Still anti-jihad," I said.

That shut him up real quick.

235 J.D.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:53:35am

#231 scaramouche
I think it will sell!

Did we mention that the Jews are responsible for all the bad stuff?"


...just the standard boilerplate...

236 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:54:38am

#233 jrdroll

As I like to say, there is a religious conspiracy to take over the world, but it isn't secret and it isn't Jewish.

237 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:54:44am
238 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:00:07pm
The Cubs. I know, I know.

the cubs,

is that a professional team?
im sorry,
i was thinking of the bears.

/ducks under table with ball glove over face.

239 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:04:20pm
The Cubs. I know, I know.

Hey I love the Cubs. They're always hopelessly out of the pennant and wildcard races by September. Makes it easy for the Astros to roll over them and clinch a playoff berth in the final week of the season.

240 will_not_back_down  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:04:51pm

#229 Atlas saw that. Oh yeah, on your blog another and yes another good post.

241 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:07:32pm
then during the "2008" election cycle,,, it will be BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED.

TFK
you dont think pres bush would start a war,
do you?
and open up a third front while he has all the storm troopes in place.
shame, shame on him.

/god gives to those that ask.

242 Joel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:07:46pm

226 keelie
I notice that Buchanan for all his "right to life" rhetoric ahs no children of his own.

243 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:09:18pm

All the baseball talk has given me an idea. Why don't we rechannel all the jihadi hostility by getting them to form themselves into baseball teams. They we could have a real World Series.

244 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:10:10pm

#242 Joel

I notice that Buchanan for all his "right to life" rhetoric ahs no children of his own.


I have no truck w/Buchanan but that came close to being ugly.

245 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:13:11pm
246 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:13:44pm

And completely predictably, Sky News' Washington correspondent claimed that Bush's speech was "a new argument on top of an old argument" and that most Americans aren't buying it.

Now what basis would the correspondent have for saying that?

Uh, none. Yeah.

Business as usual as the MSM twists and spins the news as they see fit.

247 Lazarus  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:14:49pm
There was still quite a bit of political eggshell-walking, but this marks the first time that Bush has identified and described the real goals of radical Islam—to re-establish the mythical caliphate and the global dominance of Islam.

Gee, it's only taken 4+ years to get the words out of his mouth. How much longer to put words into action?

Bush:

We know the vision of the radicals because they’ve openly stated it — in videos, and audiotapes, and letters, and declarations, and websites.

You don't need to hear what they say to know what they stand for. Just watch what they do. You'd know this if you weren't afraid to judge people.

First, these extremists want to end American and Western influence in the broader Middle East, because we stand for democracy and peace, and stand in the way of their ambitions.

Try everywhere, not just in the Middle East. And we don't stand in their way, we help them more than they help themselves, by treating their governments and organizations as legitimate; apologizing for their death and damage in conflicts that they started; paying to rebuild their hellholes; turning a blind eye to their founding their laws on tribalism; negotiating with them; cooperating with and sanctioning their agents here, such as CAIR and al-Jazeera; hamstringing our troops, preventing them from defeating the enemy, defending themselves, and punishing them for doing their job; and too many other injustices for me to name, because I'm so pissed off.

And we must recognize Iraq as the central front in our war on terror.

Wrong, it's Iran, you fucking, incompetent moron, and you're about to find that out with your continued appeasement, and we all get the check.

Well, they are fanatical and extreme — and they should not be dismissed.

The true sign of the nihilist: phrase your belief in the negative rather than the positive. Not dismissing it isn't going to cut it. You have to say you're going to end them as quickly and as ruthlessly as possible. And then you have to do it.

248 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:14:58pm
249 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:15:28pm

#246 GJ

Sky News' Washington correspondent claimed that Bush's speech was "a new argument on top of an old argument" and that most Americans aren't buying it.


SKY news said that? Hm. Murdoch. Fox's sister station.

250 alegrias  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:17:04pm

#244 grayp Remember the buzz over Pat B. driving his Deutsche Mercedes Benz to one of his own political rallies? (This was no doubt before Benzes were made in the USA)
* * *

Let's just win this war, my fellow Americans and global allies everywhere--it took Spain 800 years to beat the jihadists, surely we can improve on that 1492 achievement.

251 3 wood  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:17:07pm

#238 ibmkeyboard

Both the Cubs and the Bears are prime examples of what happens when professional sports teams develop a loyal fan base that shows up regardless. In economics, it is called "inelastic demand". These teams don't have to provide a good quality product (a winning team) to make money. The Cubs drew over 3 million fans this past year with a losng record. The Cubs have no reason to break a sweat to upgrade their team in the off season cause the can't make much more money than they already are with a bad team. Same with the Bears. The Bears play in front of sell-out crowds every home game, so they just fire a coach every 5 years or so and pretend to try to improve. Every once in a while, they get lucky, back into the play offs and get waxed.

They way they want to win. Well, everybody wants to win. The key is, are they willing to do what it takes to win? Experience shows that they do not. As long as their fan base keeps paying to see bad teams, they will get more bad teams. The law of supply in economics says you get more of what you pay for, less of what you don't. Cubs and Bears fans pay a lot of money to see bad teams, so that is what they get.

252 Roger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:17:12pm

LOL! Please don't mind the chuckle tfk but you just had a pimf! Neat!

253 foreign devil  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:17:35pm

The politics of fighting radical Islam means we can't acknowledge there may have been an aborted attack by this Heinrichs guy in Oklahoma, an attack in which the alleged suicide bomber made an attempt to enter a sports stadium with 84,000 people BUT WAS REFUSED ENTRY THUS SAVING UNTOLD NUMBERS FROM INJURY AND DEATH. But the politics of fighting radical Islam means we can't talk about it for fear of upsetting Muslims.

Why is everyone pussyfooting around about this outrage. Even if it turned out the bomber wasn't influcence by radical Islam, it's still worth discussing openly in today's climate of Islamic bombings.

254 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:17:44pm

Meantime, back in this corner of the world EU Diplomats Meet With Hezb'allah Man in Lebanon.

What War on Terror?

We've got Appeasement!

255 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:19:49pm

A dinosaur named Pat Buchanan
Had some ideas which defied understanan.
He would be right on board
With both Lindbergh and Ford:
"First America, not Afghanistanan."

256 alegrias  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:20:35pm

#247 lazarus

If you'll help the President get a few others to call for punishing Iran, I'd be grateful to you. Thank you.

257 Lazarus  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:22:00pm

#253 foreign devil

Why is everyone pussyfooting around about this outrage.

Because people are cowards and don't take their lives seriously.

258 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:22:58pm
#229 AtlasShrugged


atlas you are wonderful, i would believe anything you said,
i love your blog,
i go over there and then i come over here.
honey you got me going and coming.
i gots to tell you a joke,
two women died, one froze to death and the other had heart attack. naturally women will talk about their health. well, in heaven the frozen woman says how did you have a heart attack? she says, i knew my husband was cheating on me, but when i came home he was watching tv. so i searched everywhere, upstairs, downstairs, basement, closets, everywhere, got too excited had a heart attacked and died.
the frozen woman looks at her real strange and says, Damn,
i wish you would have looked in the freezer,
we both would still be alive.

259 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:22:58pm

#254 Golden Jerusalem

That's why they call it Eurabia. And that's why it's now probably a lost cause.

260 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:23:21pm

#249 grayp:

SKY news said that? Hm. Murdoch. Fox's sister station.

Yep, I know.

I was pretty horrified. If Sky said that, you know the Beeb would have juxtaposed the speech with a report of ongoing fighting in Iraq - which, ironically, actually proves the Prez' point - but with the clear intention of slanting the news and make the POTUS look bad and presenting the usual "quagmire" line.

They always do that. I couln't even be bothered to flick over and have my prediction confirmed.

261 foreign devil  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:25:22pm

I wish, when he was drawing a parallel between radical Islam and Communism and other failed ideologies, the POTUS had stressed the parallels between radical Islam and Naziism, which it most nearly resembles in it's attempts at controlling thought and behavior as well as it's bloodthirstiness, something for which the Nazis were infamous!

262 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:26:38pm

#229 Atlas Shrugged

Your post on toothless nuclear Chihuahua Mo Elbaradei being in contention for a Nobel Peace Prize--what a world!-- is emminently deserving of its own LGF thread.

263 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:31:38pm

ALERT! ALERT!

Fox reporting NYPD has received 'credible threat' regarding NYC subway. Mass mobilization of NYPD. New conference at 5:30 (that would be now)

264 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:32:35pm

#261 foreign devil:

Other parallels with the nazis include the dehumanization of the enemy and their belief in their own superiority, their mad fanaticism and brutal use of terror, including against dissent among their own people, effectively silencing the tiny opposition that there may have been.

Trust these people with a nuke?

The EU certainly seems to be able to live with the idea.

265 Lazarus  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:33:33pm

#256 alegrias

If you'll help the President get a few others to call for punishing Iran, I'd be grateful to you. Thank you.

I'm glad you agree, but I could have all the connections in the world and my words would still fall on deaf ears. Our leaders don't care about anything but their own power.

If you really want to know what to do, I have two answers. Name the enemy and name why they are the enemy and don't pull punches. Don't apologize, don't equivocate, don't water down your terms. Be exact and unforgiving. Don't give in to anyone who wants to argue with you that things really aren't so bad, but also, don't be a parrot -- know exactly why things are so bad. Don't listen to bullshit from those in power. Hold them accountable. If they say they're going to do something, hold them to it, and condemn them when they fail. And don't put any credence in what our leaders say until they back it up with actions. And support those who do speak up for the American ideals of freedom, independence, rights, science, reason, and self-defense.

And second, prepare for the worst. That may mean getting your finances in order, making precautionary arrangements for your family, building or arranging for some kind of shelter, and, not trivially, preparing yourself mentally for a completely different, horrible life, because it's coming, and there's not a damn thing that the people who can stop it intend to do to stop it, and not enough people will stand up, kick them out, and get the right people in before it's too late.

266 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:36:23pm

#265 Lazarus:

Hmmm...

I see America and its leadership, along with a tiny minority of brave smaller countries, as the only thing that stands between us, meaning the civilized world, and the abyss.

267 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:36:36pm

atlas,

dont get on the ny subway,
bombers might destroy one of the lines.

268 Lazarus  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:37:51pm

#266 Golden Jerusalem

I see America and its leadership, along with a tiny minority of brave smaller countries, as the only thing that stands between us, meaning the civilized world, and the abyss.

We have the means all day. We don't have the will.

269 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:40:10pm

/bastards,
ive had a bad feeling for two weeks they are going to blow something up for october ramadan.

and what a day it would be,
after the presidents speech and all.

270 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:41:26pm

Here's an interesting thought - wonder if this has anything to do w/Bush's speech.

Press conference is beginning - Bloomberg

271 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:41:53pm

#269 ibmkeyboard

I have been very restless the past few days. Today especially. Let's pray nothing happens.

272 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:44:27pm
According to sources in intelligence, emergency services and police headquarters, when three Iraqi insurgents were arrested several days ago during a raid by a joint FBI-CIA team, one of those caught disclosed the threat. Because it slipped out during the arrest, the plot was deemed credible.

I don't have cable, so I miss a lot, but when did we have a joint FBI/CIA arrest a few days ago?

I don't seem to remember any thing being reported.

273 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:46:45pm

#4 William

Fell off the rails here.

Damn right he did. How many people in THIS thread have posted that there was "finally NO mention of islam being the RoP" ? He's still feeding on the taqiyya, and regurgitating it to the masses.

Third, the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire...


Umm, Mr. Bush, why do the militants believe this? BECAUSE THEIR BIBLE TELLS THEM SO. In no uncertain terms. Too bad Bush's terms are so uncertain.

Someone posted yesterday that islam ought to be banned. I agree fully. Mr. Bush, please read the koran. And read it yourself, not with a kithman-embracing imam over your shoulder telling you what (he wants you to think) it means.

-Taq

274 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:46:53pm

Drudge reporting the alleged plot calls for 19 operatives to plant suitcase bombs.

Whats the likelihood of 19 suitcases being placed on the subway without someone noticing?

275 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:46:59pm

Press conference

19 suitcase bombs. Details classified. Bag searches, etc., will be increased.

Press org had story 2 days ago and agreed to hold it. So, it wasn't related to Bush's speech.

276 Geepers  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:48:56pm
277 Ann  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:48:57pm

#270 grayp

wonder if this has anything to do w/Bush's speech.

Not enough time for their practice runs.

278 Smit  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:50:40pm

19 suitcase bombs? Bastards. Does that mean theres a cell of at least 19 jihadis running around?

279 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:52:32pm

#275 grayp

"Bag searches, etc., will be increased."

Watch the ACLU go beserk.

280 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:53:26pm

Quick: notify the ACLU about these horrendous violations of our civil liberties in the name of so-called "homeland security"!

Id rather be bombed than searched!

/

281 Jheka  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:54:11pm

I read the speech on Atlas' site ... it was really remarkable, all things considered. I'm not sure how many people saw it or heard it, though ... maybe if he keeps it up and uses the same tone in the State of the Union and other widely watched addresses, he could refocus the effort and rally American people to the cause.

282 Roger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:55:16pm

I wonder where they could find a pool of 19 volunteer suitcase carriers? Hmmm.

283 grayp  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:55:18pm

Bloomberg - threat originated overseas

284 TMF  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:57:00pm

Drudge reporting threat came from recently captured "freedom fighters" in Iraq

285 Studsup  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:58:22pm

#274 TMF -- "Whats the likelihood of 19 suitcases being placed on the subway without someone noticing?"

As a daily rider on the system, I'll tell you that it could happen with the greatest of ease.

I am certain now that Bush gave this speech because he knows something is afoot on the homefront. He'd look ridiculous after something goes off to try to explain to America who are real enemies are. He told us today, so that when it happens again, there won't be any pussyfooting around in identifying the source of the problem.

286 sandbox  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:58:38pm

Great stuff from Bush.

He must have read Tony Blankley's new book:

The West's Last Chance: We Can Win the Clash of Civilizations

287 Ann  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:59:30pm

#284 TMF

recently captured "freedom fighters" in Iraq

Minutemen!

288 MoonbatBane  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:00:30pm

#263 grayp 10/6/2005 02:31PM PDT

ALERT! ALERT!

Fox reporting NYPD has received 'credible threat' regarding NYC subway. Mass mobilization of NYPD. New conference at 5:30 (that would be now)

But hey, just as long as the NYPD doesn't profile or anything, because the ACLU and other libscum will sue...

/spit

289 J.D.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:04:33pm
19 suitcase bombs. Details classified. Bag searches, etc., will be increased.


Oh joy.

290 Studsup  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:05:08pm

#165 saneinMN -- "OT...Louis Freeh drops a truth bomb on our favorite President."

Louis Freeh was part of the problem. I could care less what he has to say now. He had a chance to do something and instead sat there as Clinton's patsy. That's nothing to be proud of.

291 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:05:18pm

#274 TMF:

Whats the likelihood of 19 suitcases being placed on the subway without someone noticing?

Well, put it this way, something very similar happened on the train system of Madrid...

292 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:07:38pm

Im quoting my #260:

(...)If Sky said that, you know the Beeb would have juxtaposed the speech with a report of ongoing fighting in Iraq - which, ironically, actually proves the Prez' point - but with the clear intention of slanting the news and make the POTUS look bad and presenting the usual "quagmire" line.

I just watched the BBC News coverage of the speech and guess what?

293 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:07:43pm

I thought this was Ramadan.

Oh, never mind.

294 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:09:23pm
295 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:10:24pm

#294 taxfreekiller

Excellent idea!

296 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:18:30pm

uniformed and undercover ny police will swarm citys subways.
those ny police and nyfd have a lot of courage,
wish some of our other citys had the same.

way to go new yorks finest.

297 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:23:35pm

Gee... reports of 19...

In rememberence of their 19 pond-skiming friends?

They are simply annoyed by the rejection of the "Crescent of Embrace" and the IFC...

298 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:23:49pm

tax free,
you hit the nail in the head.
all you sons of a bastards go to ny and prove president bush is full of crap,
the islamsicks are no threat to our country.
it is all bushilter make belief.


/frigging dare you.

299 will_not_back_down  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:30:02pm

#286 sandbox

And or speech writers have read along with:

"New Glory" by Peters

300 Jheka  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:51:19pm

DUers on the speech ...

They seen no difference at all between George Bush and the Islamofascists ... No, I'm no longer surprised ...

301 sandbox  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:51:37pm

It took 4 years after 911 for GW Bush (who I support) to name the enemy--Islamofascism.

Ok, now if there are enemies--Islamofascist, radical islamists, jihadists--residing in our country, having freedom of movement--then we need to find a way to legally deport them.

Great Progress today in the war!

302 sandbox  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 1:56:58pm

And Kudos to Tony Blair who, in his speech after the London subway jihad attacks, also named the enemy and said that he wanted to deport some of them. Blair broke new ground with this speech.

BTW, in the USA, I think that naming the enemy will be good politics for Bush and others who will now feel more free to do so.

303 keelie  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 2:13:27pm

242 - Joel

Told you so... No children... I can only speculate, which is dangerous...

But fears of sexual inadequacy often fuels these strange fears of "the other". Look at the white supremacists, the Arabs, etc. All with strange sexual bents (to coin a phrase).

304 Leonidasofsparta  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 2:18:37pm

GW! Huzzah-- he called a spade a spade, he spoke bluntly and clearly. Bravo!

305 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 2:30:38pm

Even if Sherry Glaser had 19 tits...

306 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 2:45:19pm

#276 Geepers

Kos:

Bush's "Major" Speech - What a F**king Joke.


Kos needs to go back to plotting the destruction of the DLC...

He has nothing new to add to this debate...

307 Wicksy  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 3:08:24pm

LGF mentioned on BBC website:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Under the sub-heading "Blogs".

308 Geepers  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 3:44:31pm

Looks like Rick Santorum is bucking for the LGF vote:

While Democrats were critical of the speech, Republicans welcomed it. Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania said the President should have delivered it a few years ago.
309 antipilgerite  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 4:11:41pm

If Bush can go this far in a speech, it's a good sign that America as a whole is starting to reject the "religion of peace" mantra. I've always thought that Bush couldn't go very far in shaping public opinion on Islamofascism (in case it gave the US's muslim "allies" and their LLL Islamophile enablers an excuse to be even bigger pricks, but he can reflect public opinion. (It's great to see LGF phrases going into common use while DU drivel like "terra" (terror), "MIHOP", "freeptards" and "Chimpy Bushitler" is common only in the fever swamp. Now can we popularize "moonbat"?)

I'd love to see moonbats getting their BS "I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm an anti-Zionist" meme turned around on them in the form of "I'm not anti-Muslim, I'm anti-Islamofascist." I'm sure their heads would explode. Anyone wanna try this on some moonbat friends or relatives?

310 Tinker  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 5:33:12pm

This looks like a dead thread. Hey, c'est la vie.

I read George's speech. It nails everything that needs to be said. It took some time, but he got to the right mental place. Admit it, it took a lot of us time to get to his point of view. Or at least, it took me some time to get there.

So,

TOTAL WAR!

311 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 6:00:24pm

Something of critical importance missing from the speech, and greatly needed ASAP:

And if any Muslims who've immigrated to America should use that privilege, sought by millions around the world, if you use the privilege of living America to in any way advance the cause of these Islamic extremists, then you will bring down upon yourselves all the resources of government at every level to bring you to justice and impose the most severe penalties possible.

And have no doubt, once Americans understand clearly the goals of these extremists, any found to be using the privilege of living in America to advance their cause will earn a ferocious and well deserved hatred and contempt from all Americans who cherish the freedoms and oppurtunities our constitutional democracy offers to all privileged to live here.

Or something to that effect, but it's past time we again we started preaching the responsibilites of citizenship, making it clear that any notion of replacing our constitution with any hint of Islamic will law be met with the most ferocious and uncompromising response.

312 sandbox  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 6:26:15pm

aka,
What you are suggesting will come next. Look how long it took to name the enemy. This is historic.

A distinction to your comment:
Radical Islamists who break the law or conspire to do so should be prosecuted. However, radical islamists in general should be legally deported as a matter of policy. It is simply too dangerous to allow them freedom of movement in the country.

313 rightasrain  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 6:35:24pm

The U.S. has snagged a letter from Al Qaeda's #2 guy to Zarqawi in Iraq. Al Qaeda has a plan to make a great big huge Islamic state starting in Iraq (while also destroying Israel, G-d forbid) - but they need some cash from Zarqawi in Iraq. It seems that their major leaders have mostly been lost and their cash flow has been wrecked.

Seeing the word "Islamofascist" on FOX NEWS online is wonderful:

According to the Pentagon, Zawahiri writes that Iraqi insurgents should avoid attacking mosques or killing hostages to avoid alienating the masses like the Taliban rebels did in Afghanistan where the Islamofascist movement has resigned itself to defeat.

U.S. Snags Al Qaeda No. 2's Letter to Zarqawi

This is great!

314 Roger  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 6:36:49pm

If you prosecute a radical islamist under sharia law, the radical islamist will go free. I wonder why that is?

315 Timbre  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 6:56:41pm

I, too, think this speech was the closest the President has come to identifying certain elements of Islamic theology as hateful and supremecist. At least he let "Islamic radicals" have it with both barrels.

316 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 7:09:20pm

Sandbox #312

Radical Islamists who break the law or conspire to do so should be prosecuted. However, radical islamists in general should be legally deported as a matter of policy. It is simply too dangerous to allow them freedom of movement in the country.

I agree. I didn't attempt to think through all possibilities, but this sort of thing needs to be said and said often. Anyone who comes here and uses our freedoms to subvert our nation should receive the harshest response, from the citizens themselves if necessary.

317 sandbox  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 7:16:42pm

aka,
Yes. Tony Blair in his press conference in August after the London jihad attacks expressed it very well. I think Blair's performance that day gave Bush the push to speak ot more forcefully.

I hope that soon all politicians running for national office and governors too will have to answer the questions like "Do you think that known Radical Islamist living in the USA should be legally deported."? Surveillance and monitoring are fine, but deportation really has to be the policy and should have been the policy after 911.

318 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 7:31:20pm

Sandbox #317

And, sooner or later, when Muslims in America begin complaining about such nonsense as ice cream swirls, cartoon pigs and ham sandwiches, they should receive responses that will leave them shocked by the vehemence and emotion of the responses they receive. This lunacy needs to be answered at all levels.

But it depends on many institutions and individuals: gov't at all levels, school administrators and school boards, businesses, all sorts of other institutions and individual citizens.

CAIR needs to be first with their laughable lists of "Islamophobic" incidents.

319 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 7:52:33pm

If Muslims in the south should dare voice complaints about southern pork barbeque, they will really have screwed up.

320 jagan  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 8:39:16pm

The Speech was fantastic.

To the point as much as he can reveal.

We can understand that Bush understand.

The true nature of the Islamist Agenda.

321 Bill K.  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 8:42:08pm

This was best speech Bush has given on the war on terrorism but it's still not goood enough.

Bush's painful naivete about the nature of Islam, thankfully , seems to be a thing of the past. There were no more embarassing blather about Islam being a "religion of peace" or about a "great religion being hijacked by a few extemists". The politically correct claptrap about Islam is starting to be swept aside.

To acknowledge the totalitarian nature of Islamism is a major step foward for Bush and for the war on terrorism. Finally the face of the enemy is becoming clearer.

Where Bush falls short is in fully identifying the enemy and the action necessary to defeat them. While Bush properly identifies Syria and Iran as countries supporting terrorism, he essentially ignores them to concentrate his wrath on al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda is really just a bit player. It has no country or army to call it's own. If al-Qaeda did not have the support of Syria and Iran, the insurgency in Iraq would have been long since crushed.

The war in Iraq cannot be fought in isolation. Syria and especially Iran will have to be fought and defeated to end the threat of Islamism. Maybe by his next speech Bush will come to this realization.

322 sandbox  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:03:52pm

Bill, Yes no ROP talk from Bush today. Terrific.

ROP
ROPMA
ROP, oh, nevermind.

323 hershel  Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:21:33pm

#244 grayp:

"#242 Joel


I notice that Buchanan for all his "right to life" rhetoric ahs no children of his own.

I have no truck w/Buchanan but that came close to being ugly."

It was ugly. But Buchanan is nothing but ugliness and filth. He idolizes Hitler, mocks Holocaust survivors, and pimps Holocaust deniers. Joel gave an excellent rundown of his obsessive antisemitic bigotry.

I wouldn't call Buchanan evil, though. Evil implies you have done something bad, and Buchanan has never done *anything* at all in his useless life except flap his gums. He has never created, accomplished, or been responsible for anything of value. It is outrageous that he is even taken seriously by the press.

324 GordonMcStraun  Fri, Oct 7, 2005 1:58:47am

Rather good speech I thought.
The bit about nukes and rogue regimes was interesting.

325 EE  Fri, Oct 7, 2005 8:41:26am
Third, the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia. With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people, and to blackmail our government into isolation.

These are among their goals.

The radical Islamist imperialists want power, to do that and more.

From what they have said, they would use that power to try to shrink the Dar al Harb out of existence, and to expand the Dar al Islam to cover the world.

The free world should understand that our freedoms would vanish under a radical Islamist empire that expanded to cover the world. And that it will be easier to prevent them from getting this radical Islamist empire, than to try to stand in the way of this radical Islamist empire once it comes into being.

326 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 7, 2005 9:47:03am
327 gunjam  Fri, Oct 7, 2005 11:35:53pm

#230 J.D. 10/6/2005 01:48PM PDT

"And here's another thing. The humane way in which the coalition fought the war actually has led to a situation where it is more difficult to get people to come together, not less. In Germany and Japan, the population was exhausted and deeply shocked by what had happened, but in Iraq it's been the opposite."


#247 Lazarus 10/6/2005 02:14PM PDT

hamstringing our troops, preventing them from defeating the enemy, defending themselves, and punishing them for doing their job; and too many other injustices for me to name, because I'm so pissed off.


J.D./Lazarus

I don't know either of you guys, but you BOTH GET IT!

Michael Savage incessantly calls for Bush to go after the enemy in Iraq in earnest. Specifically, he calls for heavy use of air power to wipe out towns friendly to the terrorists.

He constantly decries the way Bush/Rumsfeld/PentagonBrass are forcing our men to clear cities/towns using hand-to-hand combat in order to look "humane".

The obvious result is more dead American fighting men and LESS dead terrorists. Just read news reports from the great big "offensive" our troops just waged in Western Iraq. We ANNOUNCED our intentions ahead of time, and our military ADMITS that many of the terrorists FLED prior to the arrival of our troops.

We should have sent in jets unannounced to level those five towns a week or two after dropping leaflets warning civilians to get out of Dodge.

I am sorry: People are going to have to die if we are going to win this war. If I sound brutal in writing this, what were WE doing in WWII when we nuked entire Japanese cities and our ally, Britain, firebombed the entire German city of Dresden? (Answer: Fighting for keeps.)

My son is over there in Iraq now and he and his fellow soldiers have their hands tied in many ways. Nonetheless, our soldiers' morale remains surprisingly high and their motivation refreshingly strong. However, the fact that we have good fighting men does not justify abusing them with politically correct doctrine, strategy, and tactics.

The unbearable and arrogant Rumsfeld needs to go NOW and Bush needs to shit or get off the pot in Iraq. Both Bush and Rumsfeld are apparently willing to "live with" the loss of about five men per week as the "price to pay" for appearing "humane".

This is criminal behavior! War is NOT about appearing humane! It is about KILLING the enemy wherever he may be found -- not about sacrificing our boys in order to appease the media or world opinion or somehow to "win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people".

Are we at war with terrorists or building a nation in Iraq? Answer, we have been pussyfooting around with the terrorists and wasting IMMENSE amounts of effort trying to build a nation in Iraq.

Let's get back to hunting down and killing terrorists in EARNEST -- including in their Iranian, Saudi, and Iraqi sanctuaries. Again, we have jets that will work just fine for much of this.

Mr. Bush/Mr. Rumsfeld, Have you forgotten your OWN DAMN GAME PLAN? (Shock and Awe, remember?)

It's time to prosecute this war LIKE WE MEAN IT!

Our Manchurian Candidate Obsesses

Lynndie England Convicted for Abu Ghraib “Abuse”

328 Lazarus  Sat, Oct 8, 2005 7:50:25pm

#327 gunjam

Thanks, gunjam. Yep, I get it, but not enough Americans do. I hope your son stays safe in Iraq, and is allowed to do everything he can to defend himself and his fellow soldiers.


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