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 RetweetMapes Invokes McCarthy

Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 5:42:28 pm PST

Mary Mapes, the CBS producer fired for her role in foisting obviously fake documents on the American public, designed to tilt a presidential election, invokes the tired ghost of Edward R. Murrow—and compares the CBS-sponsored investigation to Joseph McCarthy’s anti-Communist hearings: Fired Producer Links CBS Probe to McCarthy. (Hat tip: Andrew.)

When she was interviewed by the panel, Mapes said, panel member Louis D. Boccardi, retired chief executive of The Associated Press, asked whether she described herself as a liberal and whether most of her co- workers thought she was a liberal.

She said this immediately reminded her of Sen. Joseph McCarthy’s hearings in the 1950s where he probed whether people were Communists.

“What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?” she asked.

She blamed CBS for staging an “upside-down, inside-out reenactment of the famous face-off between Murrow and McCarthy. At this new CBS, the journalists were the bad guys. The corporate fat cats would cloak themselves as seekers of truth. And the American public and its right to be informed? ... It never came up.”

And at the bottom of this AP release, perhaps a more interesting tidbit of info, signaling serious dissent in the ranks at CBS News:

Meanwhile, veteran CBS “60 Minutes” correspondent Mike Wallace said Monday on NBC’s “Today” show that Dan Rather should have resigned in wake of the discredited report. Rather was the report’s narrator; he stepped down as “CBS Evening News” anchor in March and is now Wallace’s colleague at “60 Minutes.”

Rather was traveling on Monday and was not immediately available for comment, a spokeswoman said.

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1 Morgan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:44:29pm

Have you no shame? No, I guess not.

2 mossley  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:44:50pm

Perhaps Wallace at least is realizing that Rather's stunt and others like it have seriously hurt the reputation of journalism?

3 razorbacker  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:45:09pm

What in the world does Charley McCarthy have to do with it?

4 Gretchen  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:45:38pm

McCarthy, Nazis, Hitler, racist, sexist. These words are the LLL admission they have no intellectual basis for a position they hold so they resort to name calling.

5 The Other Les  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:46:01pm

Senator Joe McCarthy had a problem with Communists. Actually, the Human Race has a problem with Communists. With the bodycount at present a bit over 110 million.

Ms. Mapes on the other hand has a problem with reality.

6 Semper Gumbi  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:46:21pm

MS Mapes,

Edward Murrow is spinning in his grave because of what people like YOU have done to his network.

Idiot!

7 razorbacker  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:47:18pm

Oh, Joseph, never mind.

8 Lizardoid Minion #32603  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:47:37pm

So, Mary, how long have these voices been talking to you?

9 crimethink84  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:47:49pm

They are the dinosaurs. Nobody cares about them anymore. Poor Mary Mapes...she has to resort to trotting out tired references to McCarthyism. Yawn.

10 The Other Les  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:48:01pm

Oh, there's a new movie being released.

THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ERNESTO.

11 Just Another Four-Letter Word  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:50:21pm

Everybody look out, Mapes is off her medication again...

Sheesh!

JAFLW

12 Beagle  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:50:50pm
Edward R. Murrow

...didn't create WWII documents using MS Word...

13 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:51:30pm
And the American public and its right to be informed? ... It never came up.

Oh, this is rich...
So you can "inform" the American people with lies, and when someone calls you on it, you call it a (witchhunt) worthy of Joseph McCarthy.

Take your meds Mary...

14 Gretchen  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:51:34pm
And the American public and its right to be informed? ... It never came up.”

The right of CBS to misinform the public?

15 heliotrope  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:52:23pm

More to the point: what would happen to Edward R. Murrow's reporting now, if he had to account for his sweeping, one-sided reports to the blogosphere? His "sainthood" is by no means a settled matter.

Mary Mapes is totally guilty of being born way too late to get away with her crap.

16 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:52:59pm

Ooh! "McCarthyism!" So scary...

The Left has run out of ideas. How about something original, chumps?

17 Powderfinger  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:55:29pm

Unlike Edward R Murrow, Mary actually is a communist. Where's old Joe when you need him?

18 kathyn  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:56:08pm

McCarthyism...that's all Mapes has.

19 zombie  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:56:42pm

"So, Charlie, What do you think of this McCarthyism charge from Mrs. Mapes?"

"So help me, Mr. Bergen, I think the dame is off her rocker!"

20 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:57:20pm

You would think that an alleged journalist would at least know that "Senator Joseph McCarthy's Hearings" were in fact the House Un-American Activities Commission (HUAC)hearings. McCarthy was, as Mapes noted, a Senator.

Stuck on Stupid.

21 Cartman  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:57:34pm

Mike Wallace said that? It's either the onset of dementia, or the birth of a consience.

22 kathyn  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:57:59pm

I think Mapes cut a deal with George Clooney to promote his latest flick.

23 Chief Airdale  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:58:15pm

Ms. Mapes' victimhood is tedious. I liked her better as a scheming Democratic Party operative.

Someone needs to get a writer in to work on this tired old script.

24 Jheka  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:58:46pm

Mary Mapes:

A graduate of the George Galloway school of ethics.

25 Shredstar  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 3:59:09pm

Here is Secy of State Condi Rice Halloween costume, or USA Today's manipulation of her photo.

Condi Rice's Demon Eyes

26 Mike Nargizian  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:04:17pm

Yeah meanwhile Wallace was the sell out at 60 Minutes during the CBS Tobacoo Scandal, if you've ever seen THE INSIDER

And the executive producer at 60 Minutes, Lowell Bergman played by Pacino, left and started a new PBS documentary serues called Frontline

Wallace stayed because he said he was too old at that point and worried about his legacy and employment, something to that effect and now this arrogant shithead is lecturing Rather?

Of course the movie and classic Pacino probably overplayed Bergman leaving with a lecturing speech by Pacino to Christopher Plummer who played Wallace.

27 Oracle2b  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:04:45pm

I predict that Ms. Mapes and Ms. Sheehan will, or ought to, join forces and start a twin-twisted sisters world tour for the bizarre.
Proceeds could be donated to the lost causes these two ladies(?) claim to represent.

28 Stop Hillary  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:05:04pm

Mapes was a idealogue and, I believe, a shill for the Democrats. She also apparently works and dwells in her own universe, where she is the equivalent of some sacrificial jouralistic Joan of Arc.

I am praying that she libels someone in this book and they take her on, so that finally through discovery we will have exposed the truth of CBS and the extent of its connections with the DNC. The Thornburgh report was never independent, it was a CBS bought and paid for whitewash designed as a distraction to get CBS off the PR hook. That CBS still calls the report "independent" is pathetic. The fact that Thornburgh never really went after the fraudulent memo stands as proof of that.

CBS should have been prosecuted for election law violations. In effect they contribute their billions of broadcast assets to the DNC every damn day.

29 wrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:07:30pm

The comparison works for me...

Anyone read "Slander"?

McCarthy was going after internal Commies (which we later learned were ACTUALLY THERE..despite the Lib screaming otherwise) & the CBS investigation was going after internal FAKERS... (which we later learned were ACTUALLY THERE...despite the Lib screaming otherwise)

30 Gagdad Bob  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:08:00pm

A clear-cut case of McCarthyism, since Mapes is a puppet of the Democratic party.

31 Stop Hillary  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:08:16pm

#21 Cartman -- "Mike Wallace said that? It's either the onset of dementia, or the birth of a consience."

I speculate that it was a momentary release of pent up jealousy, that Wallace will put distance from if anyone bothers to pursue him on it.

32 jrdroll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:08:41pm

Go Steelers!

33 ted  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:09:04pm

“What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?” she asked

No problema Mary...just ask George Clooney !

34 Amy  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:10:20pm
"...And the American public and its right to be informed? ... It never came up.”

The public's right to be informed, or her right to misinform the public?

35 Bob's Kid  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:11:54pm

When you don't have a valid argument you have no other choice but to fall back on the ol' reliables.

36 Apu Pibat  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:12:32pm
And the American public and its right to be informed? ... It never came up.”

Mary, that's why we have blogs, so partisan hacks such as yourself can't make shit up, pass it off as truth, and have it believed by the public.

Had CBS done this in the 2000 campaign, the story would've held. There weren't so many blogs to do the fact checking.

It's pretty goddamn sad when somebody can fabricate evidence to support a story, and still be seen as a truth-teller by half of America. She'll still be able to make a better living than I ever will, thanks to the LLLeft giving her book contracts, movie rights and speaking engagements.

As LLLefty Joan Baez said while playing one of her multiple personalities, "Half this country be plum crazy." Yeah, the half that voted for Kerry.

37 Model4  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:12:42pm

The other day Zulubaby linked to CBS' blog (CBS eye?) with a piece that sounded nice, as if CBS deserved what heat it had gotten. But reading into it, it still fell short. The claim was made that CBS has "taken responsibility" for the fiasco. Well, no, taking responsibility would have been stepping forward and clearly stating what had happened, and doing so from the highest levels. Also claimed was that everything was good because Rather got booted out of the anchor chair and 60 Minutes Wednesday cancelled. Again, no. Rather should have been fired, even if belatedly, and CBS announcing exactly why he was fired and the show cancelled. Instead it was just "time for changes," not related to the heinous fraud they perpetrated on the public.

Proof is in the pudding. Rather and Mapes still continue to make absurd claims and CBS refuses to call them out on their BS. May the bleeding continue, they deserve it.

38 cracker_jones  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:12:47pm
And the American public and its right to be informed?

umm, it's a little thing called [Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

39 quark2  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:15:17pm

MsMapes is just being spiteful because her membership has been cancelled in SeeBS the ratsnest.

40 William  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:15:40pm

McCarthy was proven right.
 

41 Vulgorilla  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:16:07pm

"She said this immediately reminded her of Sen. Joseph McCarthy’s hearings in the 1950s where he probed whether people were Communists."

Right! She has no intellectual basis for her arguments so she invokes McCarthy. Just like her cohorts invoke Hitler, Stalin, Nazi, racist, etc. All they can do is to name call - What an idiot! As to McCarthy ... I'm starting to see that he was probably correct, and we should have paid more attention to what he was saying!

42 WarBicycle  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:16:15pm

Does anyone know if she has found a job?

43 Ann  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:16:50pm
She said this immediately reminded her of Sen. Joseph McCarthy’s hearings in the 1950s where he probed whether people were Communists.

Feeling guilty about being a Liberal...

44 SteveC  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:18:00pm

Edward R. Murrow was so far ahead of his time during his time... and now the actions of his decendants have placed them so far behind everyone else.

45 Apu Pibat  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:18:42pm

#42 WarBicycle

I'm sure Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign will have a job for her if she wants it.

46 piehole  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:18:59pm

For those that didn't hear Rush today...

Mike and Dan in the Urinal

47 Cartman  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:19:44pm

#36 Abu

It's pretty goddamn sad when somebody can fabricate evidence to support a story, and still be seen as a truth-teller by half of America.


Half of America has become so accustomed to being lied to that the unadulterated truth is viewed as a conspiritorial ponzi scheme.

48 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:21:50pm

Abu, Cartman

Spot on, mates!

49 Cartman  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:22:04pm

#42 War

Does anyone know if she has found a job?


Mamma Sheehan's "speech" writer?

50 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:24:33pm

Being a liberal can't be any fun, because they never even want to admit that's what they are.

Always with the identity crises these people.

51 andthenblammo!  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:24:50pm

Same old Mapes-LLL syrup being poured over our heads.

52 jrdroll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:25:55pm

pgh 7
bal 0

53 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:26:16pm

When is the movie showing Tailgunner Joe to be right coming out?

54 SteveC  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:28:21pm

I do wonder if this was what the marketers occasionally call "Synergy" -- using one medium to promote another. Even if you don't know the name, you've seen it in action: The usual spate of news stories on a subject just when the book comes out, for example.

Mapes has a book out ("Buy my book, pleeeze?") and there's a new movie out about the Murrow/McCarthy showdown. You gotta wonder!

55 Apu Pibat  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:28:24pm

#47 Cartman

Exactly. I seem to recall lefties suggesting Karl Rove was the one who created the documents and channeled them through Mapes.

Speaking of whom, you lefties must be SO happy he got frog-marched off to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison! Oops, wait, sorry...that didn't happen!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

56 wtf  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:28:55pm

razorbacker & zombie

Wasn't Charlie the older, smarter brother of Candy?

57 wanumba  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:29:02pm

Figures that Dan Rather wasn't really fired after all, just shifted around in house to something to keep getting his salary. As usual, the MSM/Left announce a correction ("We returned ALL the tainted money...yes we did.") and then blithely do whatever they want.
It's not surprising that Mike Wallace is feeling a bit crowded with Dan's ego in the room.
Are we sure Mary Mapes isn't still on the payroll somewhere else, in a subsidiary?

58 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:31:25pm

I think Miss Mapes is unclear on the concept of "seekers after truth."

Moron.

Happy Ghouls' Day!

59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:32:31pm

I don't think the Left's ever gonna admit the fact that ol' Joe was right, that there were Communists at every level of the United States gov't, and that our own elected officials were turning a blind eye to it in order to avoid a public scandal.

60 andthenblammo!  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:33:40pm

Speaking of Charlie McCarthy, perhaps he will mount a star-studded relief effort to relieve the oppression his kin, the mannequins, are suffering in Iran.

Lovely people.

61 razorbacker  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:34:37pm

56 WTF

Wasn't Charlie the older, smarter brother of Candy?

I believe that she was actually jealous of Charlie, because he got all the attention.

Better actor, too.

But Candy had better boobs.

62 Mellow Traveller  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:37:53pm

I'm not normally one to toot my own horn but I will in this particular case because it was completely ignored at the time and had absolutely nothing to do with what happened later.
I posted this:

Mellow Traveller 9/2/2004 05:16PM PST
HEADS UP
I saw this coming around the corner because of this {an article that I can't find now from abcnews.com about Ben Barnes admitting he helped Bush get into the guard after previously saying he hadn't}and now I'm beginning to think that Dan Rather is firing the first salvo in the post-convention counter-attack but it's going to be led by the MSM because the Kerry-Edwards campaign is struggling with brain lock.
Ben Barnes has less credibility than Kerry but that won't stop the MSM from beating this dead horse in order to not talk about Kerry's flaming ass.

I saw it coming but I couldn’t have guessed how it all turned out. The thing that caught my attention, that made me suspicious about it all, was the story had been beat to death already earlier this year, and all of a sudden they were stirring the pot again. I figured since everything had been gone over with a fine toothed comb the first time that the MSM had to have something new.

63 wtf  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:44:53pm

razorbacker

But Candy had better boobs.

Why are the cute ones always demented?

64 Malleus Dei  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:45:07pm

Listening to someone who tried to use faked memos to bring down a sitting president attempt to pass herself as some kind of vicitm makes me want to throw up.

65 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:46:58pm

I just had my first big scare of Halloween...Howard Dean just came on H&C!

66 reaganite  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:47:05pm

Semi OT: Since were talking about the left rewriting history.

The AP is trying to tie in the Gulf of Tonkin to Iraqi Freedom.
Mixing apples and oranges.

Aid draws comparisons to more recent intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction that overstated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's arsenal.
67 SteveC  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:47:29pm
“What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?” she asked.

Murrow: "What the HELL? You've got all this wonderful technology at your fingertips, and you can't use it to do a background check on a guy, and follow up with any leads you find? Didn't the convoluted path these documents followed before they got to you raise ONE LITTLE red flag? And no, don't give me that cock and bull about having to get it on the air right now, lady. CBS wants to be first, but if we can't be first, we'd rather be right. And speaking of that, how DARE you fabricate documents that could affect a presidental election! How fuckin' dare you?

What do I think of you, Ms. Mapes? I think this is the Columbia Broadcasting System and you are way out of your league. You've taken a shit on what Eric Severeid and I spent our lives building. Get the hell out of my sight, get out of this building, and do not ever come back."

68 SteveC  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:51:59pm

# 65, DesertSage:

I just had my first big scare of Halloween...Howard Dean just came on H&C!

Holy Mackrel, that ain't fair!

I had one trick or treater tonight, a 7 year old boy in a business suit. I asked him what he was supposed to be. He said he was an IRS agent, told me I made a mistake on the form, took 38% of my candy as a penalty, and walked away without saying "Thank you."

Scared me so bad it took about three scotches to calm down!

69 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:51:59pm

Poor, poor Mapes. She will never be written up in history like Murrow or McCarthy. With Murrow she likely agrees with his politics. With McCarthy, she shares his idiotic victim mentality. With both, she shares the same first initial of her last name.

70 .45ACP  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 4:57:53pm

yeah, ol' Ed Murrow... he said of television, "this thing can teach". what he meant was, "this thing can manipulate"- which is exactly what Magpie Mapes had in mind.

poor thing, now assigned to the ash heap of history...

71 fugazi35  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:00:11pm

S'funny...if someone asked me if I was a conservative I'd just say 'yup'.

Ashamed to be a liberal, Mary?

72 cracker_jones  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:00:57pm

67 SteveC
Bravo!

73 Malleus Dei  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:03:30pm

The next time some anti-American Leftist screams about McCarthyism, point out to them that McCarthy was right - and, moreover, that it can be proven.

Doubt it? Then look up what was revealed in VENONA intercepts, which were declassified and released in 1995. You can read them and the government comments about them yourself at:

[Link: www.nsa.gov...]

[Link: www.cia.gov...]

[Link: foia.fbi.gov...]

Some good general references on VENONA are:

"REMEMBRANCES OF VENONA" by Mr. William P. Crowell, Deputy Director, National Security Agency
[Link: www.nsa.gov...]

VENONA Historical Monograph #1:
[Link: history.acusd.edu...]

The VENONA chronology
[Link: www-personal.umich.edu...]

Some excellent books on the subject:

VENONA: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, by John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr (Yale University Press)

The Haunted Wood: Soviet Espionage in America-The Stalin Era. By Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev (Random House)

74 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:04:28pm

OT, but I know how y'all like to stay in touch with the Koz Kids

[Link: moonbatcentral.com...]

Dailykos issues death threat against Drudge.

75 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:05:01pm

That's the way Frontpagemag put it, anyway.

76 Malleus Dei  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:06:20pm

"You've taken a shit on what Eric Severeid and I spent our lives building."

Truer words could not be spoken. Mapes and others like her turned "CBS" into "See? BS."

77 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:08:12pm

#73 Malleus Dei

Trust me, the Left's never gonna admit that McCarthy was right. Hell will freeze over long before the Left lets one of their great myths die.

78 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:08:32pm

OT-

The Moonbats are going Postal over at Kos...over Judge Alito!

79 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:10:02pm

#74 Noam Sayin'

Hey Noam, I see you got there before me.

/Those Kos Kids are such nice people...

80 Hankmeister  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:11:33pm

The stupid bitch still won't admit her complicity in trying to foist fraudulent documents upon the American people in hopes of influencing the election.

And with respect to this tired canard about informing the American people, the only informing she did during this whole sordid episode was to reveal to us what an unprofessional moonbat she really was all along.

You know things are pretty bad when journalists start accusing those within their own ranks and a major lamestream media outlet of being McCarthyistic. She's a damn liberal and hasn't the moxie to admit it - thereby admitting by default there is something wrong with being a liberal! Pathetic.

81 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:12:11pm

#74 Noam Sayin'

I'd say Drudge gets more than his fair share of death threats through emails. The fact that this showed up on Kos on means the vitrol and hatred is boiling over. If Bush's intention was to nominate somebody who'd crank the moonbat's insanity to 11, mission accomplished.

82 Ed Driscoll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:13:34pm

James Lileks made a great observation about McCarthy in January of 2003 when ANSWER prominently burst onto the scene:

Nowadays, if you point out that someone’s a Communist, you might well be accused of - dum dum DUMMM - McCarthyism. The term has morphed from its original meaning. It no longer means falsely accusing someone of being a Communist. It now includes correctly identifying someone as a Communist, or ascribing a taint to someone because they don’t reject the Communists in their midst. (I’ll admit there’s a significant difference between the two.)

Watch the folks such as Mapes who scream the M-word, and you'll find Lileks' riff is almost always true.

83 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:17:48pm

Burn out on abortion and evolution thread and glad Halloween only happens once a year. My ass will expand when I eat remaining candy because I can eat more than I can run.

Is there anything better than watching shills grope about being proven shills? Mary Mapes, we hardly knew you.

And for that, we're all grateful. Now quietly take a hike.

84 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:19:15pm

You mean, the Koskids routinely issue threats of violence and death?

/must I?

85 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:20:43pm

Targetpractice...

How do we push them over the edge?

86 Powderfinger  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:21:04pm

#78 Desert Sage

I see that the thoughtful, reflective Hunter in in the house tonite:

You will not drag my heritage into this like you shoved Alito's well-groomed hand up Rosa Parks' corpse, or I will bury you, you loathsome little egg-humping fucker.

Lovely people. Let's give them America.

87 Bob's Kid  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:21:41pm
Watch the folks such as Mapes who scream the M-word, and you'll find Lileks' riff is almost always true.

What else do they have to say, Ed? They've nothing of substance, only vitriolic bile at being dashed to the ground over and over and over (ad infinitum, ad nauseum). It is so hard to take a good honest look at yourself and admit your views are bankrupt; it is easier to just keep on singing the same old song and dancing the same old waltz.

88 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:22:34pm

...and as the venona project proved when it was declassified, McCarty was right; there were numerous commie agents in the US government. In fact, there were a helluva lot more that he thought.

We're not talking about the Rosenbergs (who were guilty, and decorated poshumously by Kroutchev). We are talking about FDR's advisor and others.

Go on. Google Venona project. It was a WW2 easvesdrop-on-the-USSR-diplomatic-cables project which was never shut down despite numerous orders to do so by Democratic presidents.

89 whiterabbit  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:23:36pm

fugazi35
Yes they are so proud of being liberals that they are calling themselves progressives now. Kind of like Value jet coming back as Jetblue after that horrendous Florida crash, you just don't want the bad karma associated with the old brand even though the nothing has changed

90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:24:18pm

Had Mapes tried something like this back in 1996 or even 1992, she'd probably have her own anchorship by now, lauded as the woman who brought down one of the most powerful men in the world. Without the power of blogs, Mary Mapes would not only still be employed at CBS, but no doubt be on the fast track to replacin' Dan.

91 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:24:43pm

Powderfinger

...you loathsome little egg-humping f##ker.

I have to admit. That line tickled the $#!+ out of me.

92 Ed Driscoll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:24:53pm

#87 BK (Hi, BTW!):

Absolutely. Of course, at least now they have folks to call them on their riffs, as opposed to the old days when they could just cry McCarthyism at will and the press ate it up.

93 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:25:08pm

Seems to me CBS became SEE,B.S. about the time Uncle Waltie was on the scene.

For the old farts out there, I'm a little too young (don't get to say that much anymore) but was Walter always a diehard liberal or has he "evolved" since he became a bluehair?

94 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:25:09pm
She blamed CBS for staging an “upside-down, inside-out reenactment of the famous face-off between Murrow and McCarthy. At this new CBS, the journalists were the bad guys. The corporate fat cats would cloak themselves as seekers of truth. And the American public and its right to be informed? ... It never came up.”

That's highly ironic in at least one sense. I read one story, which I can't now find again, wherein a CBS marketing veep was sounding an internal klaxon, demanding that someone produce at least one expert to vouch for the memos. Not the news division, mind you; they were soiling themselves with glee over their partisan "scoop". The evil, fat-cat, corportate suit marketing division, that's the only people at CBS who were concerned about the story's accuracy.

95 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:25:50pm

#85 Noam Sayin'

How do we push them over the edge?

They're almost there, we just need a light wind gust and they're gone...

Liberal heads are exploding across America as we speak. They're going ballistic...and I love it!

96 macofromoc  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:27:15pm

Mary Mapes is like that bad flatulence that just will not go away. The one that smells like hard boiled eggs and cauliflower, it's always there, it's sickening, and it always reminds you of an as*&hole.

97 Bob's Kid  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:28:21pm
#87 BK (Hi, BTW!):

Hello right back atcha, and to Nina too!

98 Bob's Kid  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:29:24pm
Mary Mapes is like that bad flatulence that just will not go away. The one that smells like hard boiled eggs and cauliflower, it's always there, it's sickening, and it always reminds you of an as*&hole.

Yeah, and she denies it was her.

99 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:30:46pm

94 The Sanity Inspector

I'm in marketing. When the marketing guy is concerned about the legitimacy of your product, double his pay and give him the big cushy office in the corner of the building. Those people are rare in that profession.

DesertSage:

I'll start sussing out my liberal friends for some ideas on what will make them crap their pants next.

100 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:30:51pm

I guess McCarty was just imagining things, Mrs Mapes...

List of Americans in the Venona papers:
The NSA followed Soviet intelligence traffic for only a few years in World War II and decrypted only a small portion of that traffic. The evidence regarding another 139 persons from sources other than Venona decryptions has been documented and many can be found within the list of Category:Soviet spies.

John Abt United States Department of Agriculture; Works Progress Administration; Civil Liberties Subcommittee, Senate Committee on Education and Labor; special assistant to the United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
Solomon Adler, United States Department of the Treasury
Lydia Altschuler
Thomas Babin, Yugoslavia Section Office of Strategic Services
Marion Bachrach, (*) congressional office manager of Congressman John Bernard of the Minnesota Farmer-Labor Party
Rudy Baker
Vladimir Barash
Joel Barr, United States Army Signal Corps Laboratories
Alice Barrows, United States Office of Education
Theodore Bayer, President, Russky Golos Publishing
George Beiser, National Research Establishment, Research and Development Board; engineer Bell Aircraft
Aleksandr Belenky, General Electric
Cedric Belfrage, journalist; British Security Coordination
Elizabeth Bentley
Marion Davis Berdecio, Office of Naval Intelligence; Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs; United States Department of State
Josef Berger, (*) Democratic National Committee
Joseph Bernstein, Board of Economic Warfare
Walter Sol Bernstein, Hollywood Screenwriter, listed on the MPAA's Hollywood blacklist
T.A. Bisson, Board of Economic Warfare
Thomas Lessing Black, Bureau of Standards United States Department of Commerce
Samuel Bloomfield, (*) Eastern European Division, Research and Analysis Division, Office of Strategic Services
Robinson Bobrow
Ralph Bowen, (*) United States Department of State
Abraham Brothman, chemist
Earl Browder, General Secretary of the Communist Party of the United States
Rose Browder
William Browder
Michael Burd, Head of Midland Export Corporation
Paul Burns, employee of TASS
Norman Bursler, United States Department of Justice Anti-Trust Division
James Callahan
Sylvia Callen
Frank Coe, Assistant Director, Division of Monetary Research, United States Department of the Treasury; Special Assistant to the United States Ambassador in London; Assistant to the Executive Director, Board of Economic Warfare; Assistant Administrator, Foreign Economic Administration
Lona Cohen
Morris Cohen
Eugene Franklin Coleman, RCA electrical engineer
Anna Colloms, New York City schoolteacher
Judith Coplon, Foreign Agents Registration section, United States Department of Justice
Lauchlin Currie, Administrative Assistant to President Roosevelt; Deputy Administrator of Foreign Economic Administration; Special Representative to China
Byron Darling, United States Rubber Company; United States Office of Scientific Research & Development
Eugene Dennis, General Secretary CPUSA
Samuel Dickstein, United States Congressman from New York; New York State Supreme Court Justice
William Dodd Jr., son of William Dodd, United States Ambassador to Germany
Laurence Duggan, head of United States Department of State Division of American Republics
Demetrius Dvoichenko-Markov, U.S. Army
Eufrosina Dvoichenko-Markov
Frank Dziedzik, National Oil Products Company
Nathan Einhorn, Executive Secretary of American Newspaper Guild
Max Elitcher, (*) Naval Ordinance Section, National Bureau of Standards
Jacob Epstein, International Brigades
Jack Fahy, Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs; Board of Economic Warfare; United States Department of the Interior
Linn Markley Farish, Liaison Officer with Tito's Yugoslav Partisan forces, Office of Strategic Services
Edward Fitzgerald, War Production Board
Charles Flato, Board of Economic Warfare; Civil Liberties Subcommittee, Senate Committee on Education and Lab... etc...

101 razorbacker  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:30:53pm

93 Goodbye

For the old farts out there, I'm a little too young (don't get to say that much anymore) but was Walter always a diehard liberal

"That's the way he was." You'll have to imagine the voice.

102 Promethea  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:31:34pm

#28 Stop Hillary . . .

CBS should have been prosecuted for election law violations. In effect they contribute their billions of broadcast assets to the DNC every damn day.

I think someone should have prosecuted CBS for election fraud. This caper was much much more than simple character assassination, which seems to be the norm in election campaigns. No, the CBS creation of a fraudulent document belongs in the same category as writing bad checks, forgery, misrepresentation of professional credentials, etc.

CBS operates using the PUBLIC airwaves. If they use fraud to promote their political views, their licenses should be revoked.

If I were a lawyer with lots of time on my hands, I would pursue these kinds of cases. Why not? The MSM think they're immune from irate citizens. A few expensive lessons would help them learn more about their actual place in society. They are not there to defraud the U.S. voters--especially when a creep like John Kerry is so close to winning the election.

103 Cartman  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:31:53pm

#86 Powderfinger

These are America's contemporaries, with respect to Stalin's purge of his people. Their misguided ideals of equality and justice for all (couched within hedonism, moral relativism and self-loathing) will certainly prove to to be their ultimate demise. They have no moral compass, and they utterly misunderstand the implications of social collectivism. Fools who we should never suffer.

104 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:32:48pm

There's more. Start here

105 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:33:41pm

Sage...

Maybe gun control. The Libs in MN lost it when we passed conceal and carry. They jumped all over a story about a guy who shot up his brother-in-law's car a couple weeks after the law passed. But the guy didn't have a permit, anyway.

106 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:34:15pm

#86 Powderfinger

Hunter says: Fuck you. Choose your weapon.

The "Peace, love let's all get along crowd" want's us to chose a weapon?

Uhhh...OK...


/Hey Kos, where's the love?

107 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:34:38pm

#101 Razorbacker,

LOL.

Okay, point taken. Everytime I hear that line, I can't help but think of the Exxon ride at DisneyWorld.

Why did Disney have to ruin a good ride with that old fart? If they had his picture up with the dinosaurs, I might have understood.

108 cracker_jones  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:37:59pm

101 razorbacker
93 goodbye natalie
Yep.
Since his retirement, he no longer feels the need to keep up his facade of 'objectivity'.

Tell ya what is hard to imagine...only 3 tv channels, 30 minutes of national news per day, and some pompous azz telling you, "And that's the way it is...".

I liked Huntley-Brinkley Report back in the day. "Good night Chet, Good Night David, and Good Night for NBC News" Cigarette smoke curling up in the background, all in the grainy majesty of Black and White.

109 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:39:08pm

Unfortunately I did not spot "the most trusted man in america in that list".

110 jimgoism  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:39:43pm

My mother used to tell me stories
about how during the mcarthy era
It WAS TRUE that a lot of the liberals
WERE WORKING for the COMMUNISTS
and the reason they all ganged up on mccarthy was because he was exposing their treasonist activites to all of the Nation..

It was also WELL known that a lot of the
LIBERAL press (who took over) after many of the WWII correspondants had left.
WERE card Carrying MEMBERS of the
Communist party..

So to see another leftist traitor
comming out of the closet and comparing the finding of the TRUTH to the MCARTH era

Only proves the fact that they are afraid and angry that their EVIL deeds are being shown to the entire world..

111 Powderfinger  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:39:44pm

#103 Cartman

They have no moral compass, and they utterly misunderstand the implications of social collectivism.

They utterly misunderstand virtually everything, no? For instance, if you were going to write a "Don't you dare play the race card" rant, wouldn't common sense tell you to leave

like you shoved Alito's well-groomed hand up Rosa Parks' corpse

on the shelf?

112 Geepers  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:42:24pm

Powderfinger (#111),

Come on now, you know they don't think these things through.

113 mattm  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:42:48pm

If they can't logically explain it, they can always call a Republican names like the true ineucialls(sp?) they are.

114 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:44:29pm

111 Powderfinger

They utterly misunderstand virtually everything, no? For instance, if you were going to write a "Don't you dare play the race card" rant, wouldn't common sense tell you to leave

"...like you shoved Alito's well-groomed hand up Rosa Parks' corpse..."

on the shelf?

Well-played.

115 lowandslow  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:45:58pm

Maybe she just invoked McCarthy in some bizarre fantasy that George Clooney will shag her for plugging his movie. Ick.

116 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:46:08pm

Ann Coulter has done very good research about McCarthy. It is very interesting to read what he wanted, how he went about doing it.

The left hounded him to his grave and, as is their custom, re-wrote history to paint him in a very bad light.

As venona proved, they had to get this guy before he exposed their deep connection with the Commies. Commies were fashionable in the thirties, before the world found out about them.

The Times also figure promenently in the coverup and hounding.

Excuse the writing, I'm on my third post-hockey beer.

117 Powderfinger  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:47:01pm

#112 Geepers

That's what makes 'em so damned much fun! :-)

118 mich-again  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:49:12pm
“What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?” she asked.

Well, we can't ask him directly, so how about a couple choice quotes from Edward R. Murrow...

"To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful."
"Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar."

If Murrow were still around, he wouldn't be shilling for a pathological liar like Mary Mapes.

119 gymnast  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:52:50pm

I havn't read the thread yet but:
The only appropriate ghost for Mary Mapes to invoke, is that of Joseph Goebels- especially tonight.

120 Powderfinger  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:55:33pm

More fun from that thread:

And as I remind all the right wing religious wingers...If they believe their Bible, we are all descended from Adam who was of Middle Eastern Descent...

Alrighty then! All true believers agree that Adam's ancestors were Middle Eastern...

No, they don't think these things through at all.

121 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:57:35pm

Mary Mapes: The goofy gal who keeps on giving. (Giving Conservatives a good belly laff that is.)

Mary listen to dear ol dad:

"I'm really ashamed of my daughter, what she's become," said Don Mapes, who had a falling-out with his daughter years ago for undisclosed reasons. "She went into journalism with an ax to grind, that is, to promote feminism -- and radical feminism, I might say -- and liberalism."

To paraphrase: Mary you are nothing but a pathetic misandrist -- a loser skank ho.

If you had any grace at all you would have apologized for getting caught with your panties down and moved on. But Nooo. Deal.

122 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 5:58:19pm

#42

Yeah, she's now a crack hoar on I96.

123 Geepers  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:01:17pm

Powderfinger (#117),

That's what makes 'em so damned much fun!

Oh yeah.

Check out this koslette's take:

These people are the New American Nazi Party...

...and as I recall, the only way to deal with Nazis is by kicking the goddamn, ratfucking shit out of them. These fascist, bible-thumping, dominionist godweenies are the greatest threat to America, democracy and personal freedom the world has known in six decades.

They must be stopped by any and all means necessary.

Like swearing and making idle threats and stuff.

124 Mellow Traveller  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:03:50pm

When I first became politically aware I think it was finding out about how right McCarthy was and comparing what he actually was trying to do to the myths the Left had created about him that made me switch sides.
Most High School juniors or seniors are required to read Miller's "The Crucible". That was my first exposure to the word McCarthyism. It's interesting looking back how the Left slowly innoculted me against the Conservative POV.
I graduated #288 out of 303 at my HS. Never passed algebra 2. Failed at least 1 class a semester. Almost didn't graduate with my class.
Got a 1200 something on my SAT (somehow). Went to college and got 2 bachelors. Became a Republican.

125 dak  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:07:35pm

#73

Doh! I really should read the whole thread before posting. I posted my stuff about Venona before I read your stuff.

Now I wasted valuable blog space and a godzillion electrons posting a repeat of your most a propos observations.

Sorry for my bad bloggin manners.

126 Apu Pibat  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:08:02pm
These people are the New American Nazi Party...
...and as I recall, the only way to deal with Nazis is by kicking the goddamn, ratfucking shit out of them. These fascist, bible-thumping, dominionist godweenies are the greatest threat to America, democracy and personal freedom the world has known in six decades.
They must be stopped by any and all means necessary.

Silly lefties. They keep forgetting we're the ones with the guns, and we know how to use them. What are they going to do, nag us to death?

If the LLLs want a civil war, let's give it to them. They talk about it so much, it's as if their lives are leading up to it. All we have to do is wait for them to fire the first shot or detonate the first splodeydope.

Hey toots, come get some!

127 Geepers  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:09:21pm

Powderfinger (#120),

LMAO. That's priceless.

128 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:15:29pm

#126 Apu Pibat

That's why a top agenda item of the left is disarming private citizens.

129 Ed Driscoll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:16:36pm

#108 cracker_jones:

Yep.
Since his retirement, he no longer feels the need to keep up his facade of 'objectivity'.

Last year, I actually started a list of big-league journalists who were willing to come out of the closet and admit they're liberals (or leftists, or whatever term you prefer). For the most part, they were usually either retired (like Uncle Walter) or on the back-ends of their career and thus more-or-less untouchable.

I find it astonishing after so many have gone on the record that they're liberal that some journalists still try to claim that their objective.

130 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:21:13pm

128 Freedom Fan 10/31/2005 08:15PM PST
#126 Apu Pibat

That's why a top agenda item of the left is disarming private citizens.

That's why the Left does a lot of things, to take away power they can't have. Someone attacks you and you successfully defend yourself, you might end up in jail, too. I have a blackbelt in tae kwondo, and sometimes upon hearing that an @$$hole wants to mix it up with me. Then calls me a pussy when I back away, not knowing I back away because I possess the ability to seriously maim another human being with my bare hands.

That being said, I will defend myself or another if the situation calls for it. Just so no one gets any ideas.

131 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:23:55pm
These people are the New American Nazi Party...

Hey, little Lefty, Commie-Facist idiots:

The last I heard, the Nazi's were throwing in with Cindy Sheehan and the rest of the Idiotarians on your side of the political spectum.

132 Apu Pibat  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:24:01pm

#86 Powderfinger

If Hunter is anything like the typical Kos Kid, he's probably just some librule college student with blue hair, eight piercings, no muscle mass because of his vegan diet, a big Che poster in his dorm room, a "Fuck Republicans" sticker on his computer and/or car, a bong suctioned to his lips, a couch growing out of his ass, and a cushy job at Kinko's Koffee and Kopy Kompund (thanks to whoever thought of that the other night, I'm still busting a gut over that one)

In other words, nothing we need to conern ourselves with. Another liberal hero from the wrists down.

133 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:28:01pm

Note to self:

Be especially polite to Noam Sayin'

134 Apu Pibat  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:29:05pm

#130 Noam Sayin

Reminds me of an incident that happened this summer in Milwaukee...

A guy from Arkansas came up to visit relatives. It just so happens he had a disability of some sort. He got lost in a bad part of town and stopped at a gas station for directions. Some gang bangers decided he was an easy mark and tried to rob him. I guess they roughed him up a little before he pulled his handgun out from under his seat and started shooting at them.

He ended up going to jail for a while, because Wisconsin forbids concealed carry. There have been bills to legalize concealed carry, but our wonderful Governor Gray Doyle vetoes them and tells us it would just turn Wisconsin into a shooting gallery.

135 Bubble Girl  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:32:03pm

Oooga boooga... The Ghost of Christmas McCarthy...

136 Bubble Girl  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:32:34pm
#3

razorbacker  10/31/2005 05:45PM PST

What in the world does Charley McCarthy have to do with it?

LOL~~

137 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:33:11pm

Gun Control is a bad thing.

In a crisis, those thin lines get ripped away. The Rodney King riots proved to me that there are a lot of people on the streets that I walk, waiting for any excuse to terrorize other people. New Orleans proves the government is institutionally ineffective in a disaster for an amount of time. They will only disarm the people who are innocent and they will generally leave thugs armed.

138 topmaker  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:33:32pm

#93 Goodbye...

was Walter always a diehard liberal or has he "evolved" since he became a bluehair?


That's a terrific question. I always felt that he got worse as he got older. I think now that the answer is that he got worse as I became more aware. As cracker-jones #108 said, that's all we had.
Its the perfect example of why we embrace the new info age.


Back then, Bush would have lost the election.

139 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:34:08pm

#134 Apu Pibat

In California there is no possibility of concealed carry...of course unless you happen to be Dianne "hypocrite" Feinstein

Feinstein is a strong proponent of gun control, yet is known to have carried concealed handguns herself with a normally nearly impossible to obtain California carry permit - few people, other than politicians and celebrities, are able to obtain California CCW permits. At one time, she was the only person in San Francisco to possess a concealed carry permit.

140 Powderfinger  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:34:16pm

#123 Geepers

Like swearing and making idle threats and stuff.

Come on, now. This one is personal.

Like the last one wasn't?

141 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:37:03pm

#137 hazzyday

Apparently in a crisis like in Nawlins, the thin blue line becomes very thin indeed...in fact they go on holiday.

142 Bubble Girl  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:39:54pm

123 Geepers

These people are the New American Nazi Party...
...and as I recall, the only way to deal with Nazis is by kicking the goddamn, ratfucking shit out of them. These fascist, bible-thumping, dominionist godweenies are the greatest threat to America, democracy and personal freedom the world has known in six decades.

They must be stopped by any and all means necessary.

Not if we get you first. Momma said thump you out... with da Bible..

143 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:41:11pm

Hi BG!

Hey I learned where "Golden" Colorado got its name. Aspens, cottonwoods, willows glistening in golden attire mingling with the blue spruce and pinion pines. Went to Pagosa Springs last week. Wonderful.

144 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:41:42pm

Just remember, CBS just follows the lead of the Democratic Party.


I've mentioned this before, but once upon a time, Henry Wallace, former Ag Sect'y, and IIRC, VP under Roosevelt, was a great admirer of the Soviet Union, even after having toured Russia and seen Stalin's gulag system with his own eyes. I don't know (I'm sure somebody does here) if Truman replaced him as VP, because his admiration of Communism became too much for even Roosevelt to tolerate. Wallace split from Truman's Democrat Party, to form the Progressive Party, which believed the main stream Democrats were too hostile to Soviet Communism. I have read things that suggests Wallace suspected (probably correctly) that his campaign manager was a paid Soviet intelligence agent.

Wallace lost, but many of his campaign volunteers, like a young Army Air Force veteran from South Dakota, George McGovern, who had a similar affinity to Marxism moved back into the Democrat Party, and, thanks to party rule changes after the disasterous Chicago convention in 1968, were able to seize control of the party in 1972.


No surprise, then, that Michael Moore, hero of the Stalinist front group MoveOn.org, was given the seat of honor at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, or that the party's presidential nominee was a Naval officer who met with agents of the enemy of the United States, to try to help them get advantageous terms at the negotiating table, and achieve the ultimate defeat of the U.S. in its primary goal, to keep the nations of Southeast Asia out of the Soviet orbit.

145 Bubble Girl  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:42:41pm

Freedom Fan

It is beautiful... I learned last week how to collect the leaves and save them...

146 Bubble Girl  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:44:24pm

144 Ed

Great post, Ed... I had no idea, you weaved it together very well. It does make sense, doesn't it.

147 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:49:23pm

#144 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Wallace split from Truman's Democrat Party, to form the Progressive Party, which believed the main stream Democrats were too hostile to Soviet Communism.

Hmm. Perhaps this explains why liberals prefer to be known as progressives. It's a euphemism for communists.

148 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:53:57pm

Ed,

I once worked with a older clerk type lady who was proud to say stuff like I'm so liberal, I swear I think I must be communist. She said it real cute with a twinkle in her eye. Communism has murdered millions of people just like Nazism, but no one would ever say something similar about being proud to be a Nazi. Go figure.

149 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:54:49pm

Visiting Ask Jeeves for info about Henry Wallace and the NKVD:


A goodie from the Trent Lott deal, where he praised the other 1948 Democrat splitter, Strom Thurmond:

Link

I am referring to the other Democratic renegade who ran for president, a liberal renegade whose candidacy should be more of a political millstone around the necks of modern liberals than the old Dixiecrats can ever be for modern conservatives.


If Strom Thurmond and his supporters deserve execration for their ties to Jim Crow, then Henry Wallace and his Progressive party deserve the same for their ties to Joseph Stalin — ties liberals today are unwilling or unable to repudiate. In fact, the Wallace campaign was the closest the Soviet Union ever came to actually choosing a president of the United States.

Henry Wallace had been Franklin Roosevelt's vice president, until Roosevelt decided to replace him with Harry Truman in 1944. Wallace had admired the USSR since the 1920s; a visit to Russia in 1941, including a tour of the notorious gulag camp at Magadan, only confirmed his enthusiasm. At the end of World War II, as historian Allen Weinstein has revealed, Wallace even arranged a secret meeting with the NKVD's Washington station chief, offering him access to American scientists working on the atomic bomb.

In 1946, Wallace publicly broke with President Truman over the issue of opposing Stalin's bid for domination of Europe. Two years later Wallace ran as the liberals' antiwar candidate. He opposed the Berlin airlift and blamed the fall of Czechoslovakia to the Communists on the United States. His campaign attracted many academics and intellectuals who saw him, not Truman, as the true champion of New Deal liberalism.

But the real backbone of his Progressive Citizens of America was the American Communist party. Its chairman was a secret Communist; John Abt, its general counsel, was a Soviet spy who was part of the same Communist cell as Alger Hiss (Hiss himself worked for Wallace when he had been secretary of agriculture). The campaign's platform committee was headed by another secret Communist, Lee Pressman. Every aspect of the official platform faithfully reflected the Stalinist party line.

Let us be clear. The segregationist south, into which Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott were both born and raised, wreaked great injustice on its black inhabitants and lynched nearly 5,000 people from 1882 to 1951 — out of which 3,500 were black. The Soviet Union, which Joseph Stalin helped to create and then ruled for three decades, put nearly 20 million to death. In 1948 Strom Thurmond looked at the first and saw no evil; Henry Wallace looked at the second and reached the same conclusion. Wallace himself was not a Communist; nor was he a conscious Soviet agent. But the famous Venona decrypts do reveal that his favorite speechwriter, Charles Kramer, was an active NKVD spy who kept in regular contact with his Russian superiors. And Wallace knew more about what was really going on than his public denials of Reds under the Progressives' bed implied. In fact, when Hubert Humphrey complained about the prominent role Communists were playing in the election, Wallace blithely told him to go talk to the Russian embassy — it had more influence over his campaign officials than he did.

Humphrey remains a hero to liberals for his tough speech on civil rights in the 1948 Democratic-party convention — the same speech, ironically, that caused southern Democrats to walk out and launch Strom Thurmond as their separate presidential candidate. Yet Humphrey was also a fierce anti-Communist, and he recognized that Wallace represented as much a threat to American values as southern segregationists did — given the international stakes involved, perhaps more so. Humphrey and other anti-Communist liberals even formed Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), specifically to purge the Democratic party of Wallace's baneful influence.

150 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:55:22pm

continued cut and paste:


Half a century ago, Wallace's Progressive party took only two percent of the vote — the same percentage, as it happens, as Thurmond's Dixiecrats. Later, Wallace repudiated his earlier views — but then so has Strom Thurmond. Yet those same views, that the Cold War was America's fault, that J. Edgar Hoover was an "American Himmler," and that Republicans are stalking horses for the forces of "monopoly, militarism, and reaction" are now part of the American liberal mindset — even as Thurmond is dismissed as an "abomination," by the likes of Dick Morris.

As for Wallace's reputation among Democrats today, let September 29, 1999 stand as a test case. That was the day the USDA dedicated a Henry Wallace Room in its building in Washington. Two speakers, former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, and Bill Clinton's secretary of agriculture, Dan Glickman, paid Wallace fulsome tribute. McGovern said that at "the turn of the millennium we still have a lot to learn from Henry A. Wallace." Glickman called Wallace "an inspiration" and said he was "proud to call myself one of Henry Wallace's successors."

Glickman, of course, could say he was praising Wallace not as a Stalinist appeaser but as an effective secretary of agriculture, or for his progressive views on race — just as Lott says he was praising Thurmond on every issue except race. But McGovern left no room for guessing. Trent Lott was seven years old when Thurmond ran. McGovern, however, spoke with pride of having been a delegate for Wallace in the Progressive-party convention. He said, "I'm glad that I stood with Wallace in 1948" and then added: "Twenty four years later I won the Democratic presidential nomination on a similar platform" in 1972 — namely abandoning Vietnam, "bringing the Cold War and the arms race under control," and diminishing America's role in the world.

Someone once said there is no such thing as a double standard, only a single hidden one. In Trent Lott's case, that hidden standard is this: Given time, the media and liberal opinion can forgive anything — except being on the political Right.

Perhaps we should not forget who Strom Thurmond was, or forgive those who do. But why should we do anything less for Henry Wallace?

151 Ed Driscoll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 6:58:03pm

#148 Freedom Fan:

I once worked with a older clerk type lady who was proud to say stuff like I'm so liberal, I swear I think I must be communist. She said it real cute with a twinkle in her eye. Communism has murdered millions of people just like Nazism, but no one would ever say something similar about being proud to be a Nazi. Go figure.

One of the biggest missed opportunities in history, when the Berlin Wall fell, and/or when the Soviet Union itself fell, was not having any sort of Nuremberg-like trials for Communism's henchmen. Such a thing would have done much to cut down on statements such as those by your co-workers, and all the Che t-shirts and the like.

152 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 7:01:21pm

bed time.

153 our gal sal  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 7:03:53pm

#120 Powderfinger

Thank you! that was exquisite and I needed the laugh.

154 Freedom Fan  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 7:04:22pm

#151 Ed Driscoll

True. Criminal trials would have been useful to expose Communism, although by 1990, Stalin and Lenin were quite dead.

Then you have liberals like noam chomsky who luv the communist butchers; actually any butchers, as long as they are enemies of the U.S. and the West.

155 Ed Driscoll  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 7:07:38pm

154 Freedom Fan:

True. Criminal trials would have been useful to expose Communism, although by 1990, Stalin and Lenin were quite dead.

Plenty of folks who ran the gulags until the fall of the Soviet Union were alive and well--and still are today.

156 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 7:17:08pm

Nice try, bitch. And, oh yeah, you're still ugly.

157 Promethea  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 7:51:24pm

#135 Bubble Girl . . .

Oooga boooga... The Ghost of Christmas McCarthy...

Well that just about sums up my attitude toward the Devil McCarthy. Isn't it funny how all complex political science ideas can be boiled down to their essential Oooga boooganess?

So much for an expensive Ivy League Education.

Ooogo boooga. Bwaaahaaahaaahahahahaha!

158 Baier  Mon, Oct 31, 2005 8:13:47pm

Whenever I read a Mapes quote I feel a little sad. I don't think she is sane and I think she needs help. The people that love her and care for her need to see that she gets all the professional mental health care she needs. G-d Forgive her family for letting her mental illness fester for so long.

159 foreign devil  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 1:20:58am

Mary Mapes...Cindy's calling. Another whiner who doesn't like the fact we've seen right through her 'act' and won't buy what she's selling so she whines she's not been fairly treated. STFU!

160 JAT  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 2:19:39am

Mapes needs to team up with the quiet Kos Kid (Hunter) from the Hilarious Progressive Rant of the Day above. Working together - for a better world!

161 shimra  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 4:46:11am

Has Mary Mapes no decency at long last?

And like Mayer Kahane, McCarthy was right!

162 paco833  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 4:51:02am

If I may invoke the sage words of CBS superstar Dan Rather...FTA...Fuck Them All. Goodnite and Goodluck

163 sms111  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 5:00:51am

Dear Mary,

It's not McCarthyism when people attack MSM personnel who have less brains than a nematode.

Next time you fake documents, could you please at least go to a fleamarket and get an old 1970's typewriter? They can be had for maybe $2.

We know you're a communist sympathizer and believe it should be free, but really, just think of the Return on Investment that $2 might have had...

Oh, by the way, Mary, I have a question...

Was your copy of Microsoft Word properly used to make the "genuine 1970's fake but accurate" documents properly licensed? Be honest.

Bill Gates might get angry if they weren't, and you wouldn't want him to get in on the McCarthyite attacks upno you, would you?

164 sms111  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 5:02:51am

#163 typo correction

... Oh, by the way, Mary, I have a question...

Was your copy of Microsoft Word, used to make the "genuine 1970's fake but accurate" documents, properly licensed? Be honest.

Bill Gates might get angry if it wasn't, and you wouldn't want him to get in on the McCarthyite attacks upon you, would you?

165 sms111  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 5:18:14am

#8 Lizardoid Minion

So, Mary, how long have these voices been talking to you?

This is not a joke. From excerpts of her new book, Fake but Accurate Truth and Duty, it's clear that Mapes is simply mentally ill.

What I want to know is, for how long, and who knew about it at CBS, and when did they know?

166 Carolina Girl  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 5:49:57am

#102 Promethea

We're in completely "agreeance" on this. CBS used unauthenticated documents in an effort to rig an election.

I find our current state of investigating/ punishment of the breaking of federal laws astonishing that (1) Burkett has not been investigated for forging government documents and that (2) Sandy "Burglar" is not facing a trial for obstructing a government investigation (how in the Wide Wide World of Sports do you mistakenly forget you put documents in your socks?), or that (3) Hillary is not indicted for giving false statements to the grand jury investigating Travelgate.

But by all means lets hang Scooter Libby from the apple tree because he may have lied or misled the grand jury of the identity of the individual who told him about the non-covert CIA status of a wife of a lying famewhore.

One thing that has troubled me -- because I didn't follow it closely until a couple of months ago. When exactly was it after Joe Wilson screamed bloody murder about his wife being outed did they appear on the cover of a national magazine?

167 Jack Tanner  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 6:31:28am

This lady lives in kaleidoscope world where things is all mixed up!

168 Studsup  Tue, Nov 1, 2005 11:35:40am

#151 Ed D -- "One of the biggest missed opportunities in history, when the Berlin Wall fell, and/or when the Soviet Union itself fell, was not having any sort of Nuremberg-like trials for Communism's henchmen. Such a thing would have done much to cut down on statements such as those by your co-workers, and all the Che t-shirts and the like."

There was one trial of sorts. The Romanians got their hands on the Communist dicatator of that country, tried him on the spot and then executed him. No one missed him, even the LLL MSM didn't whine about it, but we will never find out about his crimes as a result.


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