Shocked./

...as predicted by the Lizardoid minions.

When an airstrike causes secondary explosions, that usually means they hit what they were aiming for.

Except in the eyes of the Lamestream Media.

Karl Rove did it

Delayed Jihad Propaganda Syndrome

Waiting on DU to model the collapse using some m-80s and a shoe box.

Looks like either a 24 or 48 hour suspension of activity by Israel in Southern Lebanon, depending on who you listen to. Some sources are reporting both. 48 hour suspension of air activity and a 24 hour window for humanitarian relief.

Since Hezbollah is the provider of "humanitarian services" in Southern Lebanon, does that mean they now have a free pass to rearm/resupply?

Given the reaction to previous setups, is it any wonder this building collapse happened?

”I’m saying this very carefully, because at this time I don’t have a clue as to what the explanation could be for this gap," he added.

I do.

I'd wager all of us do.

The guy the medics are carrying out (in the picture) is no child or old person.

Beside the time delay on the collapse, it's interesting to see how quickly the bodies were recovered. Perhaps the bodies were moved to the scene as victims of previous raids and the set up began...

Hooray for paliwood.

The video FOX has put on it's site hopefully turns out to be of that building in Qana.

Perhaps they could get the towering intellects over at ' loose change' to look into it. I'm sure they would be able to uncover a conspiracy, or fabricate one.

CNN's Ben Wedeman reported that earlier today, even before the Israeli air force official reported it. Check out the video link :
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
He also reported that there were curiously very few wounded. Curious indeed.
Also:
a very curious photo at NY Times [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
notice that the ceiling is completely intact. Doesn't seem to fit with the rubble below it, nor with the body. BTW - is the body in a state of rigor mortis? I refer specifically to the hands.

Imagine this situation during WWII.

Dateline 1944 "Today President Roosevelt today announced a cease-fire in Europe to allow time to investigate civilian deaths during air raids on Berlin,world condemns America for collectively punishing the German people for the atrocities committed by the SS"

Yeah,right.

When I was younger, I used to do drugs. I would do them in my parents' car, or in the car they owned, but designated as "mine." My mother in particular would say that if I was causght, the police could take the car I was in. My parents blamed me for this danger, and would have been mad at me if their car was taken.

The gap between the timing of the collapse of the building and the time of the strike on it is unclear

Allah hates Muslems (Inch'Allah)?

Most ridiculous headline of the day:

France steps forward as champion of Lebanon peace drive

Amid international condemnation of an Israeli raid on a southern Lebanon village that killed 52 people on Sunday, French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters: "If people had listened to what the French have been saying for several days, this crisis would not have taken place.

"What distinguishes us from our American partners is that we (French) have been demanding from the start an immediate cessation of hostilities, (which is) the only condition for there to be a negotiation, then a political accord and a sustainable ceasefire."

My hatred for the French knows no bounds.

# 16 rayraen't an official IDF spokesman yet, though.

The IDF is being quoted as saying it is effectively a 48 hour halt to all military activity. Hav

What bothers me most about the language in this is the idea that there is a suspension to allow "humanitarian aid" into the area. I say that is just going to prolong things. They should allow evacuation only. No supplies of any sort should be brought into those areas short of what is needed to feed/water evacuees on their way out.

In less than 24 hours this "massacre" is already fallen apart.

It's why the UN goons held a special Sunday meeting to condemn Israel.

They seem to understand the blogosphere is going to shoot down their murderous propaganda in no time.

And now we come full circle. This building in Qana, not the WTC, was a controlled demolition.

Crap - the internet ate half my post.

Israel has already suspended airstrikes in Southern Lebanon for at least 48 hours.

Hizzbolah must be belly-laughing in their boots! I swear my friends, this conflict between the civilized world and Islam is going to come down to Western civilians vs. the Terrorist: our governments simply refuse to protect us.

I saw on FOX News that Hez B'allah is saying the reason for the delay is that there was great difficulty getting to the building because Israel destroyed all the roads. Yeah, right. But you know that is good enough for the Arab Street.

Charles must be out of the building -- I just heard on the "news" (See BS) that Israel has been arm-twisted into stopping their counterattack.

This is bad, folks. The arab nutters will read it rightly, as a sign of the West's weakness and the effectiveness of the fifth column in castrating our civilization.

#31 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)
I sincerely hope you misunderstood.

"I saw on FOX News that Hez B'allah is saying the reason for the delay is that there was great difficulty getting to the building because Israel destroyed all the roads."

Didn't stop every network that had journalists in Tyre from getting in there at first light.

25 crosspatch

No supplies of any sort should be brought into those areas short of what is needed to feed/water evacuees on their way out.

So true. Its the Sam Kinison solution. Go where the food is!

It is time for LGF to compile a list of the western enemies: (i.e. Idiotarians)

Javier Solana (this EuroLoser said Qana attack was unjustifiable)

Kofi (this scumbag, who lives on 57th and York, needs his ass kicked out of NYC)

Jack Straw (It's a good thing this shyster isn't in power anymore)

France (need I say more?) Of course, if a French force is deployed, we all know that their target is Israel, but they only have a reverse gear, so maybe they'll back into the Katyushas as they fall on southern Lebanon. I can't wait for the day that France becomes an islamic state.

The BBC and CNN both need to have their transmitters blocked and eliminated in Israel and Lebanon.

There's one thing the liberals were right about-- Mel Gibson is as bad as many liberal Jews had thought.

#23 zulubaby

"What distinguishes us from our American partners is that we (French) have been demanding capitulating from the start of our history as a civilization an immediate cessation of hostilities, (which is) the only condition for there to be a negotiation, then a political accord and a sustainable ceasefire we've ever found acceptable, when it comes to global crisis."

There. I fixed that for him.

moslums lie?!? why I never!

Current headlines on Yahoo!

How Rice's Mission Became the Victim of an Israeli Attack at TIME Magazine - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Deadly Israeli Attack Escalates Conflict at The New York Times (reg. req'd) - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Dozens killed in Lebanon air raid at BBC - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Rice Abandons Middle East Negotiations at The Washington Post (reg. req'd) - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

U.S. and Israel Shelved Laser as a Defense at The New York Times (reg. req'd) - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Analysis: Hezbollah may have the edge AP via Yahoo! News - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Why the Middle East Crisis Isn't Really About Terrorism at TIME Magazine - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Condi's Mideast Diplomacy at MSNBC - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

Returning to Old Approach, U.S. Faces Risky Path Ahead at The Washington Post (reg. req'd) - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

The exorcism of the ghosts of Qana at Jerusalem Post - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

In Devastated Lebanese Town, Signs of Hezbollah in the Streets and in the Shadows at The New York Times (reg. req'd) - Sun, Jul 30, 2006

As well as Hamas Panorama just had a go at Red Ken's/Islamic Brotherhood's 7/7 memorial Islam exhibition too. They are opening a blog at the website. I've no doubt the muslims will be fuming and will swamp it. Feel free to go and keep the record straight. You can see the program online.

#31

Agreed. Now is the moment for Israel to demonstrate its resolve by intensifying airstrikes. And enough with the apologies already. There's no need to apologize for the deaths of children (assuming children really did die) when those deaths are the inevitable consequence of waging a morally justifiable defensive war.

now lets stop that Mel Gibson theme right there!Its been on every thread lately ...talk about flogging a dead horse

OT

If we are to believe Debka, Israel is ready to surrender to Hizbollah.

Does anyone know more about this?

#38 zulu

Signs of Hezbollah in the Streets and in the Shadows at The New York Times

I knew it!

FLASHBACK: Beirut march marks Qana bombing (April 27, 2006)

About 2,000 children have marched through the streets of Beirut armed with fake rockets in a rally organised by Hezbollah to mark the anniversary of a deadly Israeli bombardment 10 years ago.
Rows of boys wearing military fatigues and red berets marched with mock Katyushas on their shoulders on Thursday in memory of the Israeli bombing of a UN base in Qana in southern Lebanon on April 18, 1996, that killed 105 people...Israel said the bombing was a mistake but a UN report concluded it was probably deliberate.

Seems this area has been a Hizballah hotspot for more than 10 years. Strange also that this recent bombing occurred just when Rice was mtg with Olmert.

If we are to believe Debka, Israel is ready to surrender to Hizbollah.

Do you work for the BBC?

Qana Propaganda Begins to Fall Apart

But not before SeeBS does thier report.

Kyle: I swear my friends, this conflict between the civilized world and Islam is going to come down to Western civilians vs. the Terrorist: our governments simply refuse to protect us.

It's what so many predicted so many times on this blog and others: our civilian leaders in the West are cowards. Which means the bloodshed will be astronimical when the capabilities of the Islamoids are sufficiently strong enough for a direct assault.

Which may mean August 22nd.

Again Israel acts unilaterally for peace.

If HZB fires more rockets, what will the world press do?

I hope the IAF has aerial footage of HZB herding women and children into that building.

US: Israel agrees to halt IAF activity for 48 hrs

Via Powerline, Haaretz quotes "Lebanese villagers" with a different version.

Witnesses at the scene corroborated the IDF claim that the strike on the building, which is located in the Hariva neighborhood of Qana, was carried out at 1:00 A.M. After the initial strike, some of the building's residents exited in an attempt to survey the damage, in effect saving themselves.

A few minutes later, IAF planes struck the building once again, causing the walls to collapse on the residents who did not vacate, killing them in the process.

So we are to believe the locals' version that the IAF's 2nd bomb brought it down, not Hezb ammo stored in the building.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The suspension of over-flights was announced by US State Department spokesman Adam Ereli. He said Israel has reserved the right to attack targets if it learns that attacks are being prepared against them.

"The United States welcomes this decision and hopes that it will help relieve the suffering of the children and families of southern Lebanon," Ereli told reporters traveling with Rice. [fuck they Jewish children and families -- they don't bleed anyway.]

In Jerusalem, the IDF spokesman's office said it knew nothing of an agreement to halt airstrikes in Lebanon for 48 hours. Government officials were not immediately available for comment.

Again Israel acts unilaterally for peace.

Keep reading.

this is all sounding a bit up in the air yet

Nevertheless, after the meeting with Peretz, Rice reiterated that although she wanted to see a cease-fire in place as soon as possible, "the parties have to agree to a cease-fire, and there have to be certain conditions in place." She made clear that the day's events did not change her position that an immediate, unconditional cease-fire was not the answer.

"We have to realize that we cannot have a circumstance in which there is a return to the status quo ante, in which there is a zone in southern Lebanon in which a terrorist can violate the Blue Line, and create the kind of devastating circumstances that we see today," she said. "And we would not be very responsible if we were not attending to those circumstances as well as working as urgently and as quickly as we can to get the fighting stopped."

What the hell is wrong with Israel?

They always act guilty right away and when the truth comes out later - that they were not guilty - the lie is halfway around the world.

Olmert apologized immediately after the family got blown up on the Gaza beach. Not Israel's fault but Israel was demonized.

Peretz apologized immediately after the UN outpost got blown up. We found out not long after that the Hezzies were using it for cover and firing missiles from there. It was a legitimate target, but the PR damage was done.

Now this Qana nonsense.

Why not just say "People, this is war, Hezbollah shoots from among civilians, so their blood is on Nasrallah's hands"?

It's bad enough that the MSM and much of the world doesn't care about the truth that Israel shouldn't help their enemies.

#47 The Bruce

I swear my friends, this conflict between the civilized world and Islam is going to come down to Western civilians vs. the Terrorist: our governments simply refuse to protect us.

It's what so many predicted so many times on this blog and others: our civilian leaders in the West are cowards.

What?

#7 Since Hezbollah is the provider of "humanitarian services" in Southern Lebanon, does that mean they now have a free pass to rearm/resupply?

Probably so. And I am extremely curious as to whether Hizballah will actually observe this ceasefire. Judging by the words coming from the President of Lebanon, I would be very surprised if this was anything other than an Israeli-only ceasefire. Of course that will give them back the moral high ground for a bit.

Boy, I wish they would get some decent PR photos and videos of the civilian cost to Israel in gear!

#11Perhaps the bodies were moved to the scene as victims of previous raids and the set up began..

That was my first thought when I read about this quite early this morning. One of the things that was mentioned in the story that I read (no longer recall where) was that the MEDIA came along with the ambulances and virtually everyone including the "rescue workers" was carrying a video camera. Sounded like street theater to me rather than a true emergency.

Most ridiculous headline of the day:

France steps forward as champion of Lebanon peace drive

#23,

Let's change a few words, shall we?

Amid international condemnation of the Allied invasion of Normandy that has killed hundreds of civilians, Vichy French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters: "If people had listened to what we have been saying for several days, this crisis would not have taken place.

"What distinguishes us from the so-called Allies is that we patriotic Vichy French have been demanding from the start an immediate cessation of hostilities, [which is] the only condition for there to be a negotiation, then a political accord and a sustainable ceasefire in Normandy."

Merde like this, I'm sure, is starting to make us all really, really sorry we won World War II. Hell, if I'd been a German in 1940, I probably would have applauded my country's invasion of France, the better to just forever shut up that unique brand of diplo-double-speak that has endeared France to the world.

#56

What is it you don't understand, Sarah D.?

Juan Williams on FNC right now is a complete asshat.

Are the Hezbos also agreeing to stop shooting missiles during the 48 hours?

The suspension of over-flights was announced by US State Department spokesman Adam Ereli.

At 0100 Israel time. I have to assume that was deliberate.

The sh*t should begin hitting the fan in about 4 hours. That would be about sunrise in Haifa.

OT

Hot damn! Forgot to check the mail yesterday, and just went out to get it. My IDF/Krav Maga t-shirts are here, straight from Tel-Aviv. I'm totally stoked!

In the case of the Fusion, it's a new nameplate.

thats exactly what i was thinking. Wasn't it rolled up newspaper and a wire chicken coup?

#55 They always act guilty right away and when the truth comes out later - that they were not guilty - the lie is halfway around the world.

Some of us should work together to collect all the data, pictures and reports regarding this now lengthy list of media lies about what is going on and put them all up on a blog or two, preferably a high traffic blog or two.

Thomas Hurndall!

Maybe Israel could release the poor IDf soldier that shot asshole hurdall and let him fight in
Lebanon for a dirty dozen style pardon?

#60 techno_barbarian

Juan Williams on FNC right now is a complete asshat.

as always.

Juan Williams on FNC right now is a complete asshat.

I'm pretty sure he's a complete asshat all the time, not just right now :-)

#6 Kragar (proud to be Kafir) 7/30/2006 03:01PM PDT
Waiting on DU to model the collapse using some m-80s and a shoe box.

Woah, cut and paste error.

thats exactly what i was thinking. Wasn't it rolled up newspaper and a wire chicken coup?

What utter lunacy.

Juan Williams:
"My understanding is that if there were to be a ceasefire, hizb'allah would buy into it."

Riiight.

Qana

Kana

Propaganda

fee fi, fo fanda...

The big problem here is neither the Israelis nor the islamofascists (whose propaganda techniques are well known).

The problem is the MSM and we must start thinking of effective ways to hold the MSM to account.

Controlled demolition! Its so obvious!

Call Dylan Avery! Him and his super seekwet film crew will get to the bottom of this fantastik mystery!

65 Granny

My point isn't that the media lies - I'm SHOCKED! - but that Israel aids in its own PR disasters.

Why do they always apologize right away?

Why not just say "we'll investigate and tell you the truthful results as soon as we know"?

Acting guilty when you're not (Israel) hurts worse in the court of public opinion than being guilty (Arabs) and lying that you're not.

aaron,

The sh*t should begin hitting the fan in about 4 hours. That would be about sunrise in Haifa.

See post #51. I'm not sure the IDF even know about it yet.

sms111...exactly...awful hard to fight a war when yur being repeatedly stabbed in the back...the whole msm leftwing moonbat crowd are going to some how be dealt with

Juan Williams:
"My understanding is that if there were to be a ceasefire, hizb'allah would buy into it."

That's pretty stupid, even for Juan.

Juan's answer, just like evidently most of the world's, is more talking.

If we can just talk some more, somehow all this will get solved.

And the condescending smuggness that drips from him as he speaks is sickening.

Yep. They've got all the answers and not one of them is the correct one.

Israel should completely ignore the world and destroy hizb'allah completely. And we should be in there with them helping every way we can. I know we're giving them tacit support right now, but we need to mount up and help them kick some ass.

See post #51. I'm not sure the IDF even know about it yet.

Well, they do now.

Halutz's ulcer starts bleeding in 5, 4, 3...

The problem is the MSM and we must start thinking of effective ways to hold the MSM to account.

Blitz!

1) Pick an issue (today this fake civilian death thing)

2) Use bloggers to write 20 k to MSM outlet

3) when the msm refuses to correct lies
write 40 k letters to one of their advertisers.

4)If advertiser doesn't pull account

5) organize boycott of advertiser

Halutz's ulcer starts bleeding in 5, 4, 3...

The guy's not going to be happy.

Nekama (#74),

Why do they always apologize right away?

And after all the times they've been burned too (the last time just weeks ago with the totally fabricated beach bombing), it's absolutely inexplicable.

#74 My point isn't that the media lies - I'm SHOCKED! - but that Israel aids in its own PR disasters.

I agree with you strongly. I don't know why they do this - and the US is not one whit better. Look at the number of times we have apologized in the last year over crap that never happened.

I've just happened to comment on a number of threads that Israel's PR is stinking like dead fish. While Hizballah has dramatic closeups of women weeping bitter tears, dead babies and the like most of what we are seeing from the Isreali side is so sanitized in order not to offend that it has no impact or alternatively it shows the Israeli military in all it's glory - and makes them look like the Nazis the MSM is claiming they are.

Techno, you forgot the strongly worded letter from the UN. That aughta help!

Bin Laden mentions Qana is his declaration of war 8/23/1996. It has been used before for propahanda. BIN LADEN'S FATWA

It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn't respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its' allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves.

I just gotta say; thank you to all the lizards who answered my questions about personal protection firearms yesterday.

As much as I hate to have to believe it, I think we're gonna need them. Damn, I hate to have to accept that fact.

But I've already found a range here locally that looks like they have all the training, both for firearms as well as self-defense.

Huh... in contrary to my usual kill 'em all, let G-d sort them out attitude, I rather like this 48 hour ceasefire business.

Here's why.

1) Israel gets some "proportiate" "restraint" points for the effort (yeah, I know, doubtful they'll get credit, but we can hope).

2) Regardless of #1, the Hezzies lose PR points by proving they can't handle stopping fire. (We all know they can't help themselves)

3) Israel can go into overdrive afterward. "We tried it your way, they didn't stop... reap the whirlwind!"

4) The grunts on the ground always appreciate a break.

and my personal favorite:

5) Hezzies have currently gone to ground. With the knowledge that the IDF has temporarily ceased fire, they'll come out of their holes and start the usual celebration and resupply/recovery efforts. All in front of various IDF detection systems and drones. That way when the hellfire starts again (see #3), a more up-to-date intel picture is available.

Go for it Hezb'allah. Put your freak'in head in the noose, bastards.

this giving 24 or 48 hours to get out of the area is a good thing. The civilians have always been holding israel back. After this period, which i think will be shorter rather than longer (the way I rad the post was 24 hours plus maybe an extntion if there was no HB rockets) Israel can take off the gloves and really go for the jugular.

pimf!

Israel's still waiting on those missiles too, the ones the British are peeing in their knickers over.

#87 rayra

Bingo! That is exactly the problem. Pompous mouthpieces can't be bothered to actually study the idiology that's set itself up as our sworn enemy.

I'm watching "Obsession" right now online, and it's amazing. Everybody should see that film. I'm gonna buy the DVD just to support the film makers.

Rarest thing in the world is a conservative film maker. One of these days I hope to be one of those.

And rayra, I'd like to take a second to thank you for all you've taught me since I've been reading lgf.

Israel's PR couldn't get worse if they had Olmert sing

I wish Mama Moonbat would go over there and offer herself up as a human shield.

She would look so much better in a burqha.

74 Nekama

Combine Jewish guilt with liberal guilt and voilà!

Apologize for being the victim, battered woman syndrome writ large.

Can you guess how bad it would be if you could somehow throw in some old fashion Catholic guilt?

"4) The grunts on the ground always appreciate a break."

That sword cuts both ways. Hezbollah can now rotate out tired fighters and bring in fresh ones with supplies and ammunition. It basically gives Hezbollah two days to "reset" and rearm. Bet you at the end of 48 hours, Bent Jbail has just as many Hezbollah in it as it had two weeks ago.

Oh, speaking of youtube, I have to admit I kind of like 'Yalla Ya Nasrallah'

[Link: off-topic.internet-haganah.com...]

If this is old news forgive me.

Nekama, I think you're being a little harsh. Israel does a lot of Hasbara, I know people who are very involved in it, but the media won't give them the time of day. What are they supposed to do?

crosspatch

their ability to do that has been seriously degraded. Their supply lines are in shambles, and their supplies are low.

and this hiatus does not include artillery and/or infantry, only IAF

89 techno_barbarian 7/30/2006 03:57PM PDT

I just gotta say; thank you to all the lizards who answered my questions about personal protection firearms yesterday.

As much as I hate to have to believe it, I think we're gonna need them. Damn, I hate to have to accept that fact.

But I've already found a range here locally that looks like they have all the training, both for firearms as well as self-defense.

You should have acquired one as soon as legal for you to do so, like a condom, you don't need one, till you really need one.

BTW Stop polishing teachers apple (rayra).

>:^P

.

102 Z-babe

What are they supposed to do?

Well to start with they could STFU until the facts are in before apologizing.

Anyone wanna donate a couple million dollars to run Obsession on one of the major networks during Primetime. I think we went back to sleep shortly after 9/11.

Iran to hang six men publicly

Any UN condemnation forthcoming?

zzz ...

#101 aaron

I love that song!

yalla ya nasrallah
we will screw you inshallah
we will send you back to allah
with all the hezballah

Join Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO)

Open to all law-abiding citizens.

#100

True... The difference is the IDF is recovering from one level of exhaustion/fatigue and the Hezzies from another deeper one, plus the IDF has been winning its fights while the Hezzies have been soiling themselves under intense attack.

Resetting in some new Hezzies will allow the IDF to make permanent psychiatric cases out of them, too. That way they won't be available for operations later.

Just looking on the bright side.

'Yalla Ya Nasrallah'
We'll send you back to allah...

Love it!

Venezuelan vice president: Murder of women, children unjustified

... unless they happen to be Jewish women and children.

Where do these countries get off telling Israel what to do? It pisses me off something fierce.

#100 crosspatch

That sword cuts both ways. Hezbollah can now rotate out tired fighters and bring in fresh ones with supplies and ammunition. It basically gives Hezbollah two days to "reset" and rearm. Bet you at the end of 48 hours, Bent Jbail has just as many Hezbollah in it as it had two weeks ago.

The thing that bothers me the most, is that Israel is fighting Iran, and Syria, via hezbollah, and there is absolutly nothing, at least that we can see, being done to punish either of those countries, or leaders!

The big 5 countries, and the U.N. keep drawing a line in the sand with Iran, and say don't cross it, and Iran not only crosses the line, but they get more cocky, and then another line is drawn, and they just continue to cross the lines, all the while, either completing their nuclear capability, or even maybe purchases from rogue countries like N Korea.

Iran is simply toying with the world, and the world is obviously OK with being the toy!

It pisses me off that there is no punishment for Iran or Syria, in fact, Iran now has until August 31st to come forward of their either acceptance of the U.N. deal, or rejection of it.

If Iran doesn't pull off something huge between then and now, Iran will simply stall some more, while Russia and China sit by and watch the show, and still, nothing will be done with Iran.

Tha sucks!

#99 BenZ

74 Nekama

Combine Jewish guilt with liberal guilt and voilà!

Apologize for being the victim, battered woman syndrome writ large.

You are the Mensch tonight, you beat me to it.

#103

"and this hiatus does not include artillery and/or infantry, only IAF"

Reporters on the border report artillery fire has gone silent. Operation to inject IAF forces by helicopter was apparently called off in mid-mission. Irael announced they had pulled out of Bent Jbail.

Fox has several reporters that are positioned right on the border. Artillery fire can be heard as they report. All of the reporters have noted that the fire has stopped. I will keep monitoring Fox but it seems like a widespread stand-down.

#104 BenZacharia

Not polishing apples, my friend. I just believe heartfelt thanks are in order.

I've been reading you guys for a long time. I've learned more about what's really going on here than anywhere else.

But nonetheless; message received.

Expect slow network ... gates and company mass pushing patches tonight for some reason.

and this hiatus does not include artillery and/or infantry, only IAF

My bad... delete my point about grunts getting a break. PBI

Nekama, that's true.

vet_Missing_Parts

I think you are on to something here

And thank you for serving our country

Israel's delay in screening Kana footage causes PR disaster

"The thing that bothers me the most, is that Israel is fighting Iran, and Syria, via hezbollah, and there is absolutly nothing, at least that we can see, being done to punish either of those countries, or leaders!"

Well, there is a good side to this. If Iran is going to announce something on August 22 that they think might cause Israel to react, Israel might have just taken a lot of the teeth out of the Iranian proxy army on their border ahead of that announcement. Iran has long threatened to use Hezbollah to attack Israel should Israel react militarily to Iran. I would imagine it is going to take longer than 3 weeks to resupply Hezbollah to the levels of arms they had prior to this.

...tis an honor to have served. As many on the board have. (I'm really impressed with the number of 'Nam grunts around these parts... best wishes, brothers!)

I wouldn't put it past any of these islamonazis to load a building with women and children, then launch rockets at Israel and move the launcher into the same building in the hope that Israel will blow the building up. It fits their MO perfectly. It's the warped world that is islamofacism.

119 zulubaby

That's the only point I'm making. Israel hurts itself very badly with her "apologize first, figure out what the hell really happened later" habit.

It was bad enough that they apologized immediately after the Gaza beach incident, but to repeat the mistake again with the UN post last week and again with Qana today is really inexcusable.

techno_barbarian

It was a jab! thats why there was this (>:^P)

Fox reporting now that artillery fire has resumed.

techno_barbarian

Your leg came off when I pulled it, you can havie it back now.

.

Gotta go ... night guys xxx

Qana Propaganda Begins to Fall Apart

Huh?

The Qana operation was a superbly executed master-stroke which has utterly crippled Israel and will now quickly result in Hezbollah yet another round in this war of attrition.

Israel Agrees to Temporarily Suspend Airstrikes Against Southern Lebanon

I will give 25-1 odds to anyone here that the "temporary" cessation will be permanent. There is no conceivable way that Israel will re-start serious operations after this.

Hezbollah has among its arsenal weapons far more powerful than the Israelis, or even the US can muster. They include the BBC, NYT, CNN, LAT, Le Monde, Toronto Star, etc. etc.

Qana was brilliant. By deploying their Western propaganda assets Hez was able to stop Israel in its tracks AND create 50 new martyrs to boot (which will be used to justify the next 40 or so terrorist attacks).

I've got to hand it to them--Hezbollah plays the West like a fiddle. Too bad the music is Satanic.

#129

Night Zulubaby...

Pallywood spreads. These guys must webcam with each other every few days to share tactics and ask for advice.

zulubaby: Layla Tov

{zulu}

May Ha'Shem protect and comfort you and yours.

Like the US, Israel is a decent, humane country that tries to fight wars in a civilized manner. Thus the apology for the deaths in Qana.
Should they have waited to know the whole story first? Hindsight says yes, but if a whole day had gone by without Israel apologizing the screaming from the UN, leftists etc would be of deafening proportions. And for better or worse Israel does care about world opinion. So there it is...

19 jane doe... Please see my post #57 on the next thread. Short version, not just one, but apparently all the victims of that attack were stiff. Also shown, were victims from another, earlier attack, mixed in.(or rather, added to) You can clearly tell the genuine victims from the ringers.

As an architect I can say that I see photos of lots of flimsily built buildings in 'that' part of the world.

But even then it takes incredible stupidity to stay in or around them after they have been hit by an airstrike!

Pro-Bush Canuck

Fire bugs with matches have more self control.

#137

And after having been warned by the IAF to get out ...

Abigail Adams

I agree with you.

But their was no reason to apologize.

They could have offered the pro-forma "we regret the loss of life and have begun a thorough investigation. However it remains clear that Hezbollah fires rockets from civilian areas therefore rocket launching sites are legitimate targets. The responsibility for these deaths - as with this entire conflict - lies squarely on the Hezbollah".

They can always apologize if it turns out they were wrong.

#72 sms111

The big problem here is neither the Israelis nor the islamofascists (whose propaganda techniques are well known).

The problem is the MSM and we must start thinking of effective ways to hold the MSM to account.

Two ways to do that: flood the Internet with the truth and boycott companies that support the MSM.

Just read the report on the 48 hour halt to IAF bombing runs. Confirms what I already knew - Olmert & Co. are a bunch of fag pussies.

#115 crosspatch

Fox has several reporters that are positioned right on the border. Artillery fire can be heard as they report. All of the reporters have noted that the fire has stopped. I will keep monitoring Fox but it seems like a widespread stand-down.

More toying with the world by Iran, via hezbollah, imo.

There is only one reason why hezbollah would stop, and it doesn't involve hezbollah wanting to, by choice.

Iran!

#126 BenZacharia

(grin) I tend to take things a bit more seriously than I probably should. Especially when I'm pissed or frustrated.

Much respect.

And Mrs_barbarian is calling me down to supper.

BBL

#141 MandyManners

Two ways to do that: flood the Internet with the truth and boycott companies that support the MSM.

I agree, and we are doing our part!

We are talking to all, and any with an open mind, and an idea of what's going on!

#140

Nekama your wording is perfect. Too bad the Israelis didn't use those exact words.

You know what just frosts my ass? In six hours on May 10-11 1941, the Germans raided London. In addition to the regular bombs, they dropped over 86,000 incendiary bombs totalling about 200,000 pounds (just the incendiaries).

These people are pussies.

Funny how I never hear the media discussing why there were so few men in the building. Just where were the husbands and fathers when this took place, huh?

144 techno_barbarian
#126 BenZacharia

(grin) I tend to take things a bit more seriously than I probably should. Especially when I'm pissed or frustrated.

Much respect.

And Mrs_barbarian is calling me down to supper.

A time to laugh, a time to cry...a season for each thing in its turn. BenZ New International Version

#137 Ojoe

Good point. I noticed when Iran had that big earthquake, they all got out and slept outside for days on end.

What's up? I smell a big fish.

I read somewhere that the terrorists ran into the building after they launched their rocket. Could it possibly be that the people witnesses said came out of the building to see what the damage was were the terrorists themselves and only dead bodies were in the building? I would put nothing past these terrorists. Like the liberal democrats they will stick at nothing. They have proven they understand the PR war very well. The MSM and liberal democrats are the fifth column in this country and their aim is to bring the US down. From the ashes they can build their utopia. Sound familliar. This is what the Iranian idiot wants.

#102 The media won't give them the time of day... What are they supposed to do?

What they are supposed to do is give those stories and pictures to people like you who will send them to people like Charles and many others who will then publish them on blogs.

Remember, blog owners are now real "media." One blog owner even got himself one of those coveted White House Press seats!

rayra

I know you probably have hot dates on Saturday nights, but dude you have missed 2 kick ass sessions with jrdroll. Last nite and 2 weeks ago. If Charles were to review it's post it probably would get the stick for just plain stooopiddidy!

#154 rayra:

How many Arabs has Israel killed in the last 2 weeks - 700 max? You call that winning when the Arabs outnumber Israelis 100:1? Yeah they are responding like fag pussies - the Israeli people only demand the bare minimum response and Olmert is giving it to them. Don't tell me that it was EVER their intention to annihilate Hizbollah once and for all. They just don't have the belly for the amount of killing it would take.

#117 Thanos

Expect slow network ... gates and company mass pushing patches tonight for some reason.

What is going on?

Israel has been prepping the field for almost 3 weeks, now they have a chance for civvies to get the hell out of Dodge, after that the bloods is on their own heads, even more than it is now.

EIDE_Interface

The only numbers that count are how many effectives have been whacked, not total death count, thats for the [bigoted word]s genocide,

#160 BenZacharia:

Sorry, but I've already placed a Vegas bet 100:1 that Israel does NOT launch a massive invasion.

#161 BenZacharia:

If you kill em all(males between 15-35), that effectively ends the potential pool of recruits.

This is OT but on behalf of our adopted soldier in Kirkuk.

I wrote to him that the Financial Times carried a story about Iraqi oil production reaching almost pre-war levels and that they would be able to raise the price in order to reduce smuggling.

He asked me to do some research. Some in his unit are convinced that we went to war for oil. But one of his officers said the US can't use the oil Iraq produces. That is what he has asked me to research.

Is there any reason the US can't avail itslef of Iraqi oil?

I'm aware that some oil is high in sulphur and perhaps we don't have the refining capacity for it?

So - anyone know where Ed Of Many Names is? I can't do an LGF search 'cuz I have no idea what nic he's using. He always posts his email so if someone could give me a link to a recent post of his - or just forward my email to him - or maybe even give me answer?

That would be a good thing.

Thanks.

Fox News just reported the "ground attacks" continue. Only "aerial attacks" have been suspended by the IDF.

#164 rayra

Which group are you referring to? The Hezb'Allah for pledging their all then pissing themselves?

Lebanon. Period. The entire Muslim community. Shouldn't these people be celebrating their dead as martyrs and telling Israel to bring it on?

feh. (I also should have noted that in that raid about 1500 Londoners were killed outright - civilians, btw.)

#160 BenZacharia

That's what I've been thinking, and said so above. I think it may be that Israel is giving the 'innocent civilians' a last chance to get the hell out of the way.

And then, (please God!), they'll go in with that big ground offensive that's required to actually get the job done.

#174 rayra

Could be. But 'mangina' busted me up. LOL

(tucking that one away for another day)

#174 rayra

I wonder if there is some word root connectivity between 'labile' and 'liability'

I've been out of school so long, I had to go look at what "labile" meant.

:D

#177 rayra

...which is why Islamic terror orgs all over asia are working on female suicide bombers.

gawd, I hope Germaine Greer signs up.

rayra

I disagree with this only.

racial extermination

That may be how the world wants to sell it, f*ck 'em.

Captain Ed at Captain's Quarters thinks the Israeli ceasefire move is smart.

See: [Link: www.captainsquartersblog.com...]

I'm not mad at any posters here at LGF. I'm mad at the pussified Isareli government which just caved in to the demands of Coffee Annan.

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US has gone to war for land/resources many times. Oil
is a different resource how? Not that this is what it is about.

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I was just listening to Air America and the usual blather - "bombing never works, Israel has to come back to the peace table."

Sure, bombing NEVER worked in WW2! Now that the LLL have rigged the game where we can only drop a few bombs here and there, then they get up on their self-righteous podiums and declare - "You see! We were right! Bombing indeed does not work!"

Oh and the host suggested Jimmy Carter & Desmond Tutu mediate the ceasefire. I'm not kidding.

Remember, you can send pizza and ice-cream to the IDF.

NOW is the time to show that we support them wholeheartedly.

182 EIDE_Interface 7/30/2006 05:33PM PDT

I'm not mad at any posters here at LGF. I'm mad at the pussified Isareli government which just caved in to the demands of Coffee Annan.

From the United Nuts? LOL I think Israel has call blocking. Maybe WH said 'please', with a promise for co-op.

#180 rayra

That whole 'War for Oil' thing is a bag of snakes anyway, bits of the argument can be used to prove anything at all.
And it's all ultimately meaningless, anyway, in light of Saddam's violation of the '91 ceasefire agreements being justification enough; that Bagdad was the seat of the Caliphate 600yrs ago and has now been denied to the Islamic Supremacists; and most of all that Afghanistan and Iraq both needed to be done for their own sakes but more importantly they make great bookends for the upcoming smashing of Iran.

Great point!

I have always believed something like that in my mind, but could never put it to words like that.

Thanks

"While unsteady hand-wringers curse about defeat and Israeli leaders being pussies."

Olmert seems to have been backtracking on mission goals. Last I heard they had been reduced to simply clearing a few kilometer buffer zone from the border.

I must say it has been very confusing. Israel was massing troops on the Eastern end of the border on Wednesday. Then an overnight conference of a few cabinet ministers seemed to have resulted in a stand-down. The meeting the next day seemed to result in the complete withdrawal of the troops from the border.

An authorization for a callup of 30,000 reservists was given but as far as I know, only a couple of hundred were actually called.

So far Israel has been engaging in a series of "rabbit-punch" offensives against individual villages (rabbit-punch in the context of the Lebanon border overall, not that the fighting with each of these offensives hasn't been fierce) where they surround, clear, and leave.

None of these actions seems to have had much of an impact on the daily missile tally into Israel. Last number I heard was around 150 missiles from Lebanon over the past 24 hours.

If the missile rate isn't being reduced, I would say it would be a legitimate question as to exactly what Olmert's strategy is.

Charlie Sheen and scientists agree.

#180 rayra

Try Mike C. as well. But I'm pretty sure we do indeed import from Iraq, even between '91 and '03. The DOE Crude Oil imports and usage pages mention Iraq as a source (albeit minor).

I found those pages, thanks. I sent him the link. You're right - Iraqi sources are neglible. Whoever said if we wanted to go to war for oil, we would have invaded Venezuela could certainly use those numbers to back it up.

Hizbollah started with 11000 missles. If they've already expended 1700, that means they have 9300 left. At a rate of 150/day, they could go 62 straight days before running out. You wanna bet that Syria is not going to resupply in the interim to make sure Hezzy doesn't run out?

"That whole 'War for Oil' thing is a bag of snakes anyway, bits of the argument can be used to prove anything at all."

I suppose people would have been against the war with Japan in the Pacific too, which was our first war for oil.

PDF document worth reading.

"If they've already expended 1700, that means they have 9300 left. "

That would not be a legitimate assumption because it does not take into account missiles and launchers destroyed by Israel. While there is no way to know for sure how many have been destroyed, there certainly have been as is documented by strike video.

#195 crosspatch:

Hez still has at least 30-40 days worth of missles at THIS point.

"Hez still has at least 30-40 days worth of missles at THIS point."

Maybe you have really great intelligence sources. All I know is they are still apparently capable of shooting 150 a day into Israel. My point is that the daily capacity and willingness of Hezbollah to fire missiles into Israel appears undiminished after what, 3 weeks of bombardment?

Why the temporary ceasefire?

Once you have your enemy on the ropes or on the run a ceasefire only allows them to catch their breath, re-supply, move to better defenses, or to strengthen the defenses they already have. That is a major military mistake that has been repeated throughout history.

If it is for a rest for the IAF and IDF, it would make a lot more sense if you did not announce it. Why let the enemy know? It makes more sense to rest some units at a time. Not stop the whole attack.

If this is just a PR move it isn’t going to do them much good. Ceasefire and show restraint? Civilians have had weeks to get out of the area. Ceasefire on their side while Hezwolashit keeps shooting off missiles? Like that is going to get them any nice guy points. Look, we stopped but they are still shooting at us! Who exactly is that going to influence. The UN? Western media? Other Arab nations in the area? The Lebanese? On Hizbowlashits side that can backfire. It gives them hope their propaganda is working and makes them think Israel is feeling the pinch of world opinion. Great for their moral and Hez will trumpet it as a victory to their followers.
Israel needs to keep the pressure on.

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I heard something an hour ago when I was driving and listening to NPR that didn't sound right about this. A reporter said that the residents of that building had left and the victims were folks that chose to shelter in the building that night. How weird as to begger disbelief. If I were there I wouldn't willingly sleep indoors given that Israel hasn't been bombing open fields. I wonder if these folks were put there next to the battery or at the location for propoganda value should they perish.

Anyone heard any confirmation that they weren't the regular residents?

here you go:
Due to the Israeli destruction of Lebanon's infrastruction, including wireless network towers, Hizb'allah forces in the south have not been informed of the ceasefire. Sec. Rice stated early this morning that the continuous firing of missiles into Israel does not count as a violation of the ceasefire, and that Israel should restrain from any response until Hizb'allah has had adequate time to receive notice of the ceasefire. BBC, AP and CNN correspondents in the south report that the Hizb'allah fighters and political representatives they have interviewed were not aware of any ceasefire and believe the abatement of Israeli fire is a sign of the Army of Allah's success.

/sarc off

"A reporter said that the residents of that building had left and the victims were folks that chose to shelter in the building that night."

Well, it is "possible". If they were evacuating on foot from other towns and had arrived there that day and didn't know Hezbollah was firing missiles from the parking lot, they might have decided to shelter in the building overnight before continuing their journey out of the area.

Situations like that are tricky because even if you have intelligence that says the building occupants have left, if it is along a migration route of evacuees, you can't be sure someone won't shelter there.

In that respect, Israel would be doing the right thing by allowing free travel out. But if I were Olmert, I would tell the UN or whatever organization is in charge of assisting evacuees to make all possible haste in getting those people out because once they get this free pass, the gloves are off and they have offered every possible opportunity to get them out.

Those damned Israelis are apologizing again. Do they have some sort of pyschological defect that causes them to apologize over and over for actions that are either unnecssary to do so or are beyond their control? Don't they realize that one of these cringing apologies they issued today does more damage to Israel than a 1000 Katysusha rockets? Israel is ceding the moral point to the Hizbollah scum by admitting that it was wrong to target launchers so close to civilians. Hizbollah thus rewarded, will repeat this deplorable tactic over and over again.

First and foremost Israel has the obligation to protect it's own citizens from enemy attack. To do this it must attack the Hizbollah launchers wherever they find them. Israel, in this context, has no obligation whatsoever to protect the lives of enemy civilians.

The Lebanese cannot avoid the consequences by claiming that Hizbollah is seperate from the rest of the population. The fact is that Hizbollah is launching attacks on Israel from Lebanon and the government and the people of Lebanon are responsible for stopping them. That they have not done so or even tried to, makes the Lebanese morally indistinguishable from Hizbollah. In actuality, statements coming out the the Lebanese government stating solidarity with Hizbollah confirm this.

It would have been morally indefensible for Israel not to have attacked the rocket launchers in Qana. Israel should stop with these inane apologies and proudly assert it's right to self-defense and announce it will destroy the launchers wherever it finds them or where it thinks they might be hidden.

What do missle count matter? More importantly, the UN and Europe are lacking interest in the fact that missiles are being fired at Israel. Hezbollah can always buy more missles, bigger missiles, better missiles. It's more important to stomp them down here so that it takes them awhile to stand back up.

#195 crosspatch

"If they've already expended 1700, that means they have 9300 left."

And if they're firing 150 a day, it means Israel has at least another 62 days of misery ahead - and that is if Hizbollah cannot replace those used missiles (which I very much doubt). And we have heard figures for the original number of missiles as high as 14,000 (and 1,700 of them used up in this case would mean another 82 days of agony for Israel's long-suffering population). But try telling the MSM cokeheads that. It seems the weed they were smoking during their 1960s and 1970s uni days really gave them premature senile dementia, and a gross inability to see evil, even when it smacks them across the chops.

Charles would you check this out, please?
It's the first mention I've found of something that's been bugging me for 24 hours:

TOO MUCH RIGOR MORTIS!

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Yes, probably a safe bet that whenever we hear the words, "Israel did it." we can safely assume Islamists did the deed.