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Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 9:24:03 am PDT

An LGF reader who worked for Associated Press TV News sent me the following article explaining how APTN works, and suggesting a reason why their coverage of the Middle East is so overwhelmingly biased against Israel:

How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?

The vast majority of the TV news pictures you see are produced by two TV news companies. Presented here is a case for how a large amount of money has been used to inject a clear bias into the heart of the global TV news gathering system. That this happens is not at question, whether it is by accident or design is harder to tell.

You may not realize it, but if you watch any TV news broadcast on any station anywhere in the world, there is a better than even chance you will view pictures from APTN. BBC, Fox, Sky, CNN and every major broadcaster subscribes to and uses APTN pictures. While the method by which they operate is interesting, it is the extra service this US owned and UK based company offers to Arab states that is really interesting.

About the Associated Press

The Associated Press (AP) is a not-for-profit news gathering and dissemination service based in the US.Formed in 1848, the AP grew up from an agreement between the six major New York newspapers of the day. They wanted to defray the large telegraphy costs that they were all independently incurring for sending the same news coast to coast. Despite being highly competitive, they formed the Associated Press as a collection agency and agreed to share the material. Today, that six-newspaper cooperative is an organization serving more than 1,500 newspapers and 5,000 broadcast outlets in the United States. Abroad, AP services are printed and broadcast in 112 countries.

Associated Press Television News

Associated Press Television News (APTN) is a wholly owned subsidiary of AP. It was formally set up as a separate entity in 1994. It is run as a commercial entity and aims to make a profit. Any profit it does make is fed back to AP (which is non-profit making: APTN profits reduce the newsgathering costs incurred by the 1500 US newspapers that collectively own the AP). APTN is the largest television news gathering player (larger than Reuters, its only true competitor in this field). While AP is based in the US, APTN operates out of large premises in Camden, London. They have news teams, offices and broadcast facilities in just about every important place in the world.

APTN uses news crews and broadcast facilities all over the world to record video of newsworthy events (in News, Sport and Entertainment). These pictures are either sent unedited or very partially edited back to London. Most news is fed back within hours but they also cover and feed certain events live (news conferences in Iraq, press conferences after a sporting event etc.). Most of these stories are sent in with “natural sound”: there is no journalist providing a voice over, but the choice of what to shoot is in the hands of the local producer and camera crew. Local crews are sometimes employed directly by APTN, or more often “stringers” are hired for a particular event or paid for the footage they have already captured.

Once the stories have been fed back to the UK they are edited. This is a round the clock operation. The goal is to produce a 30 minute news bulletin comprising 6 or 7 stories every few hours. These stories are made by editing down the raw “rushes” that come in from all over the world. This is done by a team of producers who work for the news editor. They don’t supply a voice over but they do edit, discard and sequence pictures dictating the emphasis and direction of the story. They will accompany each story with a written description of each shot and the general reason this was a story. This is repeated for News, Sport & Entertainment with a geographical emphasis that shifts around the world as different markets wake and sleep. The output of this is called the “Global News Wire” (GNW).

The Business of TV News

This is how APTN makes its money: news organizations (mostly TV but not all) subscribe to APTN and pay an annual amount to both watch and then re-use the stories that are fed over the GNW. The stories are supplied with sound, but no journalist to do a voice over. Most commercial news stations (like the BBC, SKY, Fox or CNN) would take this feed, decide which pictures to use then re-edit it and supply an appropriate voice over for the story. The video comes with a written description of the shots and the events that occur in them.

The fee for this feed depends on the size of the receiving organization, their audience size and a negotiation with APTN’s sales force. It is pretty much impossible, however, to operate a TV news organization without taking feeds from either APTN or Reuters or usually both. The agreement with APTN usually allows the receiving news channel unlimited use of the video for two weeks. If they want to re-show those pictures after that they have to separately license the pictures (which can cost anything from $100 to $10,000 per 30 seconds depending on the content).

A Separate Service for Arab States

However, there is another significant part of their business model that affects the rest of the business. While most of the world takes news pictures with minimal interpretation beyond editing, the Arab Gulf States have asked for and receive a different and far more expensive service. These states pay for a complete news report service including full editing and voice overs from known journalists. The news organizations in the Arab countries don’t do anything (beyond verify that they are appropriate for local tastes) before broadcast.

What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf. This has a tremendous effect on the whole feel of the building as these two teams feed pictures and people back and forth and sit in adjacent work areas. The slant of the stories required by the Gulf States has a definite effect on which footage is used and discarded. This affects both the Gulf newsroom and the main global newsroom.

This full service feed is much more expensive for the customers than the usual service, but it is also much higher margin for APTN. This is partly because there is great commonality in what they can send to most of the Gulf States taking this service: stories are made once and used in a number of countries.

Disproportionately Negative Coverage of Israel

Anything involving Israel is a favorite with Gulf Arab states for showing to their viewers. Could this be the reason why Israel receives such a disproportionate amount of particularly negative coverage especially and increasingly ever since the early 1970’s? HonestReporting is usually unable to decide which is most biased: AP or BBC. As the BBC is often using APTN footage, the difference is minor. A significant twist to what is seen, concerns what is not seen. Footage such as the Palestinian mob joyfully lynching two Israeli reservists in Ramallah in October 2000 is held by APTN’s library: any attempt to license this film for reshow is carefully vetted. Requests for the use of “sensitive clips” are referred directly to the Library director. This is not the case with clips that paint Israel in a bad light. Likewise, the re-showing of Palestinian celebrations on 9/11 is considered “sensitive”.

The way in which raw footage such as APTN’s is compiled into a news report and sent round the world has also been analyzed. The Second Draft gives a comprehensive view of how editing can make all the difference. APTN is the gatekeeper that sits between you and the actual event. You will never see what the editors at APTN see before they compile your evening news. What do you think is cut out?

The Wrap-Up

Was this organization set up with this in-built bias on purpose? Is there some way that the expensive payments made by Gulf state governments form part of a deliberate attempt to skew the media?

In “Islam and Dhimmitude” (2002) by Bat Ye’or on p294-296 she recounts how decisions were taken in the wake of the Arab-Israeli war of 1967 to try to put across an anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist message. Successive conferences resolved to contribute vast sums “to universities, centers for Islamic studies, international communications agencies, and private and governmental organizations in order to win over world opinion.” (p296).

The messages from these conferences stressed an addition to the more familiar violent jihad: they also emphasized the importance of jihad by the written and spoken word—what we would recognize as classic propaganda. Without question APTN’s interesting business model represents a concrete example of an ongoing financial “contribution” to an important communication agency promoting a pro-Arab bias.

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1 DIAMONDMASC  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:28:19am

When the editors see a disproportunate number of anti israeli stories and do nothing to counter or balance their coverage they are complicit, they know exactly what they are doing and are willing participants in the INN (islamic news network)

2 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:28:35am

THANK YOU
to whoever this LGF'er is

3 J.D.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:29:16am

I am reminded of a Steve Martin movie.

4 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:29:22am

Since we're not going to see this on the evening news anytime soon, I think we should all pass this along to as many people as possible, as soon as possible.

5 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:30:56am

Absolutely amazing.

THANK YOU CHARLES for allowing us to study in this Green University.

/is that the Big Brother or is that the Big Brother ?

6 IndianTiger  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:31:58am

Wow. Incedible journalism Charles. Is this the advent of another big scoop? Can MSM be bothered with this?

7 gop_patriot  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:32:06am

Wow, I knew that AP was the "go to" service for the newspeople; but I didn't know all that was in this article.
Thank God for LGF...

8 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:32:13am

OT (sort of)- Photo Fraud in Lebanon short movie at aish.com courtesy of Jerusalem Post.

9 deepdiver  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:32:43am

very interesting - deserves as much coverage as possible

10 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:33:16am

I KNEW it!

11 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:33:55am

Bias in the news...shocking!

12 Fjordman  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:35:27am

Some OTs:

[Link: metimes.com...]

Pentagon stopped Bush, Cheney nuking Iran

US President George W. Bush and his vice president abandoned a plan to include "the possible use of a nuclear device" to destroy Iran's uranium-enrichment plant at Natanz over Pentagon opposition, investigative reporter Seymour Hersh has said.

"Bush and [Vice President Dick] Cheney were dead serious about the nuclear planning," a former senior intelligence official told Hersh. But Joint Chiefs of Staff's Chairman Marine General Peter Pace "stood up to them," he said. "Then the word came back: 'Okay, the nuclear option is politically unacceptable."

Hersh termed this a "major victory" for the military, but one that has left "bad feelings" between it and the civilian hierarchy in Washington.

In an article published in The New Yorker magazine, Hersh reported senior commanders inside the Pentagon "increasingly challenged the president's plans" on grounds the nuclear attack likely would not succeed in destroying Iran's nuclear program and "could lead to serious economic, political, and military consequences" for the United States.

The possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons to destroy Natanz's buried laboratories was held to be "politically untenable" as the device could "vent fatal radiation for miles [kilometers]," Hersh wrote. Natanz is about 300 kilometers (roughly 200 miles) south of Tehran.

Instead, the US Air Force has proposed dropping large "bunker-buster" conventional bombs in quick succession on Natanz to "generate sufficient concussive force to accomplish what a tactical nuclear warhead would achieve, but without provoking an outcry over what would be the first use of a nuclear weapon in a conflict since Nagasaki," Hersh wrote.


[Link: metimes.com...]

As Israel's war against Hezbollah ended its fourth week Wednesday, the mood among Israelis was decidedly pro-war, even among a group called Peace Now.

Peace Now, Israel's oldest and largest peace movement - dating from the Israeli-Egyptian peace talks of 1978 - says this war, unlike Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, is a mater of survival, not of choice, the New York Times reports.

The group does not question the war's legitimacy.


[Link: metimes.com...]

Aceh has become the first of Indonesia's 33 provinces to officially place Islam's Sharia laws on its books.

The province, which was devastated by tsunami in December 2004, has always been staunchly Islamic compared to the rest of the world's largest Muslim country that has functioned under the 1945 constitution seen as being secular, reports The New York Times.

In Aceh, brown uniformed policemen can now be seen arresting people for drinking or gambling or taking unmarried couples into precincts, says the report. In extreme cases, canings are carried out at mosques and watched by the public.

13 Facts of Life  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:35:42am

something of this nature is what I always suspected.

This is great. Thanks, Charles.

14 joncelli  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:36:49am

Somebody like Rupert Murdoch or a pro-Israeli millionaire could make a killing setting up a rival service to feed less biased news to the major networks -- assuming, of course, they were actually interested in less bias.

15 zulubaby  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:38:21am

Charles, you're in the LA Times!

Here: [Link: www.latimes.com...]

Gotta run ... I'm so proud of you!

Shabbat Shalom everyone.

Love you Charles -- you are and always will be my hero.

16 red satellite  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:38:23am

Terrific LGF piece.....thank you!

17 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:39:20am

Interesting insight to the enemy media.

Now, let's destroy them.

18 godfrey  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:39:29am

Ministry of Truth (sic), indeed.

LGFers, send this to everyone you know.

This should be front-page news everywhere.

19 sss111  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:40:46am
Successive conferences resolved to contribute vast sums “to universities, centers for Islamic studies, international communications agencies, and private and governmental organizations in order to win over world opinion.” (p296).

This APTN "business model" must be dismantled as soon as possible.

For if this is true, the APTN has become, basically, a form of organized crime that incites people to murder, and a corrupt organization influenced by racketeers.

20 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:41:40am

Good journalistic work.

And I am referring to the LGF reader and Charles, who provides a platform for honest news.

(Case anyone had any doubts bout that :P)

Keep up the good work!

MSM/NME=Dinosaur

We know what happened to the dinos... :D :D :D

21 FreakyBoy  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:45:00am

Can we assume Reuters has the same arrangement with the Arabs states?

22 frankp_63  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:45:24am

Interesting, and sobering.

We know there's bias in the news services but I for one chalked it up to a liberal agenda in its forms here and abroad. According to this, that agenda, while real, is just one manefestation of a simple money-making proposition.

They talk about the banality of evil; perhaps we can call this the banality of bias.

23 filter  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:46:48am

Hot darn!

#6 IndianTiger, I'll make sure the MSM is bothered by this.

Boy, oh boy, oh boy. WILL they be bothered by this. >:D
Here we go again.
Mailing all the papers and TV stations again.


Charles: Thank you.
It makes a lot of sense.
APTN or Reuters, huh.
Some choice. :/

24 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:47:28am

Before I go to take a late-afternoon nap, just this:

F*ck Jostein Gaarder

Sophie's World sucked balls

/La'er

25 DP111  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:49:23am

Richard North over at EU Referendum challenges AP Vice President to come clean

But instead, they sit on their dunghill crowing, denigrating us bloggers and branding us "conspiracy theorists" and worse, covering up what we now know to be widespread malpractice that has been going on for a long, long time. Do they think we are all that stupid?

Kathleen Carroll - AP liar-in-chief, So, what about it Kathleen Carroll? I have called you a liar. I will do it again. You are a liar. That is a direct challenge. Deliver the evidence to me to prove I am wrong (my e-mail link is on this site) or withdraw your rebuttal and admit - like Reuters - that there are problems in your agency, and start cleaning it up. The same applies to AFP and all the others who conspire to stage photographs and abuse the bodies of dead children. You are liars all, and we are sick of your lies.

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

26 grayp  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:50:59am

via Michelle, former Reuters reporter Phillip Klein, spills the beans.

Whatever its editors' political inclinations are, there is also a practical reason why Reuters is biased against Israel. As a global news provider, Reuters has to operate in more places than just about any other news organization, with 189 bureaus serving 128 countries. Because Israel is a free society, Reuters is able to run articles critical of the government without endangering the lives of its journalists or losing its ability to work in the country. Were Reuters to start striking a critical tone against the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Arab governments, its reporters' lives would be at risk as would its ability to operate in those parts of the world. Pretty soon, it would cease to be a "global" news provider and it would struggle for a raison d'etre.

The irony of the situation is that Reuters expects us to give it the benefit of the doubt that the mistake was unintentional, yet its editors would never give the same benefit of doubt to Israel when it accidentally kills innocent bystanders when fighting an enemy that deliberately hides among civilians.

27 loppyd  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:51:32am

Thank you, Charles, for this excellent report which confirms a lot of suspicions.

28 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:52:36am

Generally, we all know bias when we see it, but the question that usually goes unasked is this bias or coloring of the news a blatant attempt to shape opinion or is is just the views of the news organization seeping through.
This story goes a long way to answering that question and in my opinion it's one of the most important posts ever to appear here at LGF.

Please, if at all possible Charles, can you encourage the follow-up on this story?

Thank you

29 Lokki  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:55:14am

The most useful thing I ever learned was from the Watergate scandal


"Follow the money"


Following the money provides the answer for almost every question.

30 Buck  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:56:18am

I don't understand... I read somewhere that the Zionists were controlling the media...

I am so confused...

31 Doss  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:58:06am

Great look behind the curtain.

Digg this story.

32 H-4  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 7:58:49am

Sockwald, the MSM and LGF:

"the [Christian Science Monitor] reporter was intent on praising and glorifying LGF, not exposing the vile, dangerous sentiments which it exists to stoke and inflame"
33 tronman  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:01:42am

One word...

"Vast Left Wing Conspiracy!"


Ok that was 4 words...

34 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:01:54am

Outstanding work Charles, and Thank You for your tireless efforts!

I would so love for George Soros to have to come forward with a full, complete disclosure of where his money is spent throughout the world.

35 saywhat?  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:03:18am
#21 Somebody like Rupert Murdoch or a pro-Israeli millionaire could make a killing setting up a rival service to feed less biased news to the major networks -- assuming, of course, they were actually interested in less bias.


#14 Can we assume Reuters has the same arrangement with the Arabs states?


If the business model were to be divorced from Arab states, would the bias disappear?

Thank heavens for the blogosphere and most especially for righteous Charles & the LGF lizard minion. Ultimately, this is the vehicle which is changing the stranglehold on information.

36 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:03:58am
37 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:04:00am

Outstanding.

Charles, what does your horoscope say about this week, seems to have been a good one!

38 Broomer  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:04:26am

I signed up with Digg so that I can Digg this story. Please every, Digg this story!

39 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:04:32am

#26 grayp

Great point!

40 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:05:26am

And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have AP's photo of an X by Ehud Olmert's head. Configured from the Jewish star/Israeli flag no less.

Gee, I wonder what kind of a message they're trying to send?

/sarc off

41 javems  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:07:42am
What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf.

"Hey Abdullah, nice slant on that story, can I use it?"

42 J.D.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:07:43am

#32 H-4
Jealousy rears it's ugly head.

43 friarstale  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:08:06am

so petro dollars are buying out the free flow of information

and the AP sold out Israel for petro dollars

44 The Monster  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:08:14am

Simple logic: APTN is doing anti-Israel news for the Arabs anyway, so it saves work for them to use the same video and scripts for the rest of us. Anything that the Arabs won't buy gets shot down, and eventually reporters learn subconsciously how to slant the stories so they'll get bought.

APTN is an echolocation chamber. Reality-Based™ media at its best.

45 iraqnophobic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:08:24am

So the non-profit AP sets up a for-profit with said for-profit funneling proceeds back to the AP?

Cool. No potential for conflicts of interest there as the for-profit does what it is able to do to turn a profit.

Of what does this remind me? Oh yeah, soft-money and PACs. And the Arabs have one big-ass well-funded PAC. Not that PACs ever influence anything.

Nothing to see here. Just move along.

46 Beagle  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:09:28am

#12 Fjordman

That's an old Sy Hersh story. He's been on a crusade against Bush and bunker-busters for years. I found a quote from a lecture Hersh gave at a university where he admitted he would use any means necessary to bring down the "neocons."

47 Judith  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:11:00am

No surprize here for me. I knew this. However try explaining it to the local newspapers who accept anything from Al Reuters or the Arab-Associated Press as if it were gospel.

48 PDM  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:11:09am

I never would have gue$$ed.

/

49 muporked  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:11:26am

Very interesting information. Next we need some faces to go with these faceless news intermediaries. Who are the executives and editors? Who are their Howell Raines' and Eason Jordans? They should be held publicly accountable for their slanted product.

50 J.D.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:11:28am

While you are waiting for the page to reload, here is one of my favorites from way back by the late, great Michael Kelly as relates to the topic at hand.
All-Negative, All the Time

51 Gordon  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:11:56am

The article is very well-written and persuasive until it gets to the final section.

All but the last section of the article suggest that the current bias arose by accident. The last paragraph then jumps into heated conspiracy mode. There is no link between the generalized attempts of the Arab world to get its anti-Israel message out and the specific program for the Gulf States.

52 Alan The Brit  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:12:55am

Time for old Chomskers to rewrite his seminal work Manufacturing Consent about media bias:

The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfill this role requires systematic propaganda

In reality it seems that the larger institutional structure is the umma.

Great Work LGF (again)

53 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:13:28am

Shocked I say, shocked !

54 Ak oilfield worker  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:14:03am

#14 joncelli

Somebody like Rupert Murdoch or a pro-Israeli millionaire could make a killing setting up a rival service to feed less biased news to the major networks -- assuming, of course, they were actually interested in less bias.

Sonds like a job for pajamas media to me, they would need someone with deep pockets to bankrole this venture though.

55 msinfidel  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:14:24am

Probably one of the most disturbing things we have learned in the last few weeks about our media.

While incompetence probably drove the initial "Arab deal" for the West to produce their news lock, stock and barrel I have to wonder how much Al-Qaida money from SA is padding the pockets of AP and Reuters?

How many bribes and gifts are making their way into the pockets of those who control the stories and the slant?

Its time to REALLY follow the money and take a look at lifestyles of those who are controlling the images that the media are fed to use.

Do we have names of the faceless people who are pulling the news triggers?

56 iraqnophobic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:14:36am

#12 Fjordman

As always great stuff.

Re: Aceh Bandeh. Pretty simple. We send them money to rebuild their province. They (the natives and mullahs of Aceh Bandeh) build hatred to send to the West.

Global trade at its finest.

57 J.D.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:15:14am

How do you solve a problem like Gordon?

58 maxx  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:15:17am

Charles,

Thanks for a very enlightening article.

I wonder how many people from the AP/APTN wil be visiting here. Would you be able to set a counter for them as you've done for Reuters?

59 Bob's Kid  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:15:57am

This is very interesting!

60 Beagle  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:16:05am

#51 Gordon

There is no link between the generalized attempts of the Arab world to get its anti-Israel message out and the specific program for the Gulf States.


Riiiight. That's why they fund CAIR and buy chunks of every major media outlet.

61 Ackomanyuki  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:16:27am

Sounds like someone needs to start a Not for Profit that globally monitors, logs, and records everything they broadcst 24/7 so that all of their 'sensitive' clips are archived and not lost down the revisionist/propagandist memory hole.

62 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:16:28am

#47 Judith

However try explaining it to the local newspapers who accept anything from Al Reuters or the Arab-Associated Press as if it were gospel.

I guess their rapidly sinking circulation numbers won't be a clue, enough for them, until they completely go belly up!

That's fine!

63 Beagle  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:18:55am

Gordon

And another thing, the last paragraph is quoting a book Eurabia which is heavily footnoted and reserched.

Whereas, as usual, you are babbling about a subject where you have no personal knowledge and no cited authorities.

64 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:19:08am

#57 J.D.

Ignore them.

65 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:19:28am
#21 FreakyBoy

Can we assume Reuters has the same arrangement with the Arabs states?

Undoubtedly. Perhaps more so, since Reuters is a UK based rather than US based organization.

I am left with a couple of questions though not least of which is:

How can a non-profit entity (the AP) own a subsidiary that is a fo profit entity (the APTN)?

Here in the US we have a number of laws that allow our "free press" rather more freedoms than even individual citizens have. It is not the least unusual to find reporters actually breaking the law themselves in order to "get the story."

If the above article is true, however, it would seem to me that we do not in fact have a "free press" - what we have is a bunch of organizations that have conspired under a single umbrella to actively produce propagands worldwide. Whether that is for profit or out of conviction is immaterial.

It is time for the AP to be disbanded.

66 Junior  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:19:43am

OT:

Olmert spokesman says the Ground Offensive has started.
This should get interesting.

But doesn't this make you chuckle?

Israel has begun the ground offensive and the idiots at the UN are still talking about a cease-fire.

They can pass all the cease-fires they want, this isn't ending until the Hezbos are destroyed.

Next stop: Damascus

And this brings up another point. Bush's complete disregard for the UN in regards to invading Iraq was one of the great victories in the entire war. The UN has been proven to be corrupt AND powerless. It's wonderful.

67 Beagle  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:20:48am

Oops, Islam and Dhimmtude. Eurabia makes the same point with more research and footnotes.

68 liberality  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:20:51am

Question for LGFers:

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill Americans give us the right to bomb London, Glasgow, Cardiff and Belfast?

After all, the British have long ignored the terrorists in their midsts, and have, in fact facilitated their activites with their lax laws and mores. Do not all British people hold responsibility for British terrorists?

69 Buck  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:22:27am

#51 Gordon

There is no link between the generalized attempts of the Arab world to get its anti-Israel message out and the specific program for the Gulf States.

Just because you say so.

70 Ak oilfield worker  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:22:44am

#51 Gordon

Thats right Gordo, and there is no link between photoshopped pictures, staged scenes and Hezbo propaganda either.

71 J.D.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:23:00am

#64 Ward
I wouldn't even mind him if he brought something interesting and informative, the way Aisha does, for instance...

72 The Monster  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:23:20am

51 nodroG

See my #44

Ockham's Razor applies literally.

73 nonic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:23:32am

OT

Over at cnn.com, in their Quick Vote poll (lower right of the page), the question is:

Should airport security place more emphasis on passenger profiles?

Current results with just over 37,000 votes:

yes.....83%
no......17%

74 soccerdad  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:23:54am

Thank you Charles. This is an important post that confirms what most of us already 'knew'.

75 msinfidel  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:24:27am

The more I think about this the more enraged I become...

An entire planet of peoples and nations and no other group felt it necessary to employ AP to produce its news (at great profit)!

As simple as it would be to set up their own production studios in the ME there is simply no rationale for this except to influence.

How much are the "Arab States" paying for the "full production" of their news?

Millions? Billions? A gaggle of oil wells? How many AP employees are Muslim extremists that believe in Jihad?

76 liberality  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:24:46am

Question for LGFers:

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill AMericans give us the right to bomb London, Cardiff, Glasgow and Belfast?

After, the British have long ignored terrorists in their midst, and have, in fact, facilitated their activities with their lax laws and mroes. Should not all British citizens be held responsible for the acts of British terrorists?

77 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:24:47am

#66 junior

And this brings up another point. Bush's complete disregard for the UN in regards to invading Iraq was one of the great victories in the entire war.

I agree with you, that I admire Pres. Bush's plan that moved forward, but he did not completely disregard the U.N., while moving ahead with ousting Saddam.

There were 17 U.N. resolutions, which Saddam was flipping the world the bird with.

Pres. Bush was spot on, in moving forward, but Pres. Bush tried very hard to get the U.N. to get on board, the U.N., unfortunatly, was as broken then, as they are now, in fact, the U.N. was 100% complicit with Saddam, in the "Oil for Food" scam, as well as all of their other ties with islamofascist terrorists.

But I do agree with you, on the rest.

78 J.D.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:25:01am

#68 liberality
No.

Someone is missing you...somewhere.

79 Hucbald  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:25:50am

#51 Gordon

Despite the logical non sequitur, I still believe that this post is a seminal moment in our understanding of the mechanics behind the evident anti-Israel bias in stories which originate from the AP. As stated early on, whether the bias is intentional or accidental is difficult to ascertain, but I don't think any of us here are wearing rose colored Oakleys. Revos, perhaps, but not Oakleys.

80 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:26:32am
#66 Junior
Israel has begun the ground offensive and the idiots at the UN are still talking about a cease-fire.

And the Lebanese government rejected it first thing this morning. They refuse to have any French troops in Lebanon.

Bush needs to get out his big stick, crack a few heads at the State Department and get the military stuff Israeli needs on the first flight out, even if they have to send it UPS!

81 Geepers  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:26:54am

Thanks "LGF reader", interesting insight.

82 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:27:01am

Charles, how about putting up an AP counter right underneath Reuters'?

AFP, you are NEXT!

83 P. Aaron  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:27:06am

One can suppose that FOX is doing the best it can...with what its got.

84 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:27:09am

#65 galloping granny

How can a non-profit entity (the AP) own a subsidiary that is a fo profit entity (the APTN)?

That's like asking how can a non-profit own any kind of stock, or any kind of investments. Look at the endowment funds for the Ivies. They own a good chunk of the real estate in Manhatten.

Several myths abound regarding non-profits:

1. They're poor, and are in constant need of donations.

2. Nobody gets rich off of them.

3. They are paragons of morality, and morally superior to the for-profit sector.

None of these statements are true, and yet non-profits rarely get the scrutiny that the for-profit sector gets. No wonder moonbats are attracted to them.

85 jehu  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:27:19am

Gordon 51

Eh...what's that you say as you wash the fecal matter off the flys wings, while sitting on a mountain of crap?

86 nonic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:27:49am

#68 liberality

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill Americans give us the right to bomb London, Glasgow, Cardiff and Belfast?

After all, the British have long ignored the terrorists in their midsts, and have, in fact facilitated their activites with their lax laws and mores. Do not all British people hold responsibility for British terrorists?

Unfortunately, this may well become a serious question in the future.

87 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:28:17am

re: Gordon/Liberality


Do these folks arguments get lamer by the day, or what?

World events just leave em in the dust.

Its like watching two Amish buggies trying to catch the pack after the start of the Indy 500.

88 Junior  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:28:20am

In connection to my #66.

I didn't mean to make light of the ground offensive, as it will be with greater casualties. The chuckle was more about the UN chatting it up while sipping on some lattes as the Lord's land pushes forward.

The Berith is everlasting!

89 mingjaiyo  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:28:27am

I think that I was born a skeptic and after being on this planet for a tad over 48 years my skepticism concerning any number of subjects has only been reinforced by investigation and action.I have long suspected that so very much of the reported news in the MSM,particularly television news due to the ability to edit the visual content,has not been quite right.Human beings as we are designed are incredibly influenced on a phenominal number of concious and subconcious levels by what our visual sense percieves...anyone remember the whole body language and subliminal message stuff that was so big in the psychology crowd in the late '60's/early '70's? Modern TV news has become just another form of marketing and the stories presented are manipulated in such a way as to get us to believe what we see (as opposed to getting us to go out and buy a physical product).It sort of reminds me of the old adage about the paranoid that stated "just because I think that there might be somebody out to get me doesn't mean that there really isn't". Good work,Charles-this has already been forwarded several times.

90 Geepers  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:29:53am

Irene NYC (#40)

And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have AP's photo of an X by Ehud Olmert's head. Configured from the Jewish star/Israeli flag no less

Gee, that's not too obvious is it?

91 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:30:21am

Fits in with what we are fed by the left, the MSS, and the Islamic/Arab/Persian world... That everything is a Neo-Con Zionist plot/conspiracy.

Turns out there's a pervasive $$$ Islamic plot underneath and behind everything.

92 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:32:19am

#76 Liberality

Question for LGFers:

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill AMericans give us the right to bomb London, Cardiff, Glasgow and Belfast?

After, the British have long ignored terrorists in their midst, and have, in fact, facilitated their activities with their lax laws and mroes. Should not all British citizens be held responsible for the acts of British terrorists?

Considering that there are also American citizens, in America who are islamofascist terrorists, as well as some Americans who fully support islamofascist terrorists,(most of the left) according to your thinking, we should then do what?

I'm sure the Daily Kos would be a much better suited web blog for you to frequent!

93 Mustang0302  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:32:45am

#54 Ak oilfield worker:

#14 joncelli

Somebody like Rupert Murdoch or a pro-Israeli millionaire could make a killing setting up a rival service to feed less biased news to the major networks -- assuming, of course, they were actually interested in less bias.

Sonds like a job for pajamas media to me, they would need someone with deep pockets to bankrole this venture though.

Mel Gibson's two-bird-slaying stone?

94 Ak oilfield worker  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:32:50am

68 liberality

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill Americans give us the right to bomb London, Glasgow, Cardiff and Belfast?

After all, the British have long ignored the terrorists in their midsts, and have, in fact facilitated their activites with their lax laws and mores. Do not all British people hold responsibility for British terrorists?

lets see, who was it that busted the plot again? Oh yeah that would be the British governmental agencies who are dedicated to weeding out terrorist in their midst, unlike terrorist supporting regimes of the middle east. Even a brain dead moron like you can do better than that, can't you?

95 Gordon  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:34:55am

#79 Hucbald: Thanks for providing the only legitimate response to my comment, as opposed to those of Jehu the Mexican Hater (#85), J.D. (#57). Actually, The Monster in #72 proved he isn't a typical LGF horse's ass either.

In response, I don't doubt the main and important purpose of this article, showing why AP has a bias in its reporting. And, you are correct, the author questions at the beginning whether it is accidental or intentional.

But then, in the final paragraph, the author makes it clear that he thinks it is intentional, and doesn't provide any evidence to back up this assertion other than vague statements. For that matter, Bat Y'eor, with all her footnotes, doesn't provide more than vague statements that don't prove intent either.

96 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:35:04am

76 liberality

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill AMericans give us the right to bomb London, Cardiff, Glasgow and Belfast?

No, since Britain is taking action against those citizens. While they stupidly allowed the islamonazi ideology to permeate parts of the population, they are not allowing those citizens to take up arms against the US or anyone else. They are even cooperating with the US to prevent terrorism.

Now, if they did nothing to stop their terrorists from operating, then the US would be justified in taking action.

97 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:37:12am

95 gordon

But then, in the final paragraph, the author makes it clear that he thinks it is intentional, and doesn't provide any evidence to back up this assertion other than vague statements.

The paragraphs directly preceeding this paragraph provides enough evidence.

98 FabioC.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:37:19am

This story is most interesting indeed.

The curious thing is that while the Jews are accused of "controlling the news", it seems that the Arabs are the ones doing the real control.

99 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:37:46am

Do I hear another troll looking for "banning by reason of stupidity"?

100 CognitiveDissonance  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:38:26am

#76

I heard you the first time. Christ what a dumbass, the Brits have NOT been ignoring them, that's why they busted 24 of them this week.

One of the hallmarks of dumb ass liberals is their disingenous embracing of moral relativism. Thanks for continuing to prove that truth Liberality!

101 Gordon  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:38:58am

#91 FrogMarch: I guess you don't see the irony in debunking the leftist media conspiracy theory, only to replace it with an equally overheated and dubious right-wing conspiracy theory.

102 andthenblammo!  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:39:17am

First, warm regards and thanks to the lizardoid that sent this in!

Second, isn't the rap against bloggers the lack of original stories, that the blogworld is a parasite on the mighty mass media machine? Funny, but I just can't see 60 Minutes
or the New York Times breathlessly breaking this story. I guess it's "news we decided you can't use".

103 Aegius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:39:40am

#84 Earth2moonbat


That's like asking how can a non-profit own any kind of stock, or any kind of investments. Look at the endowment funds for the Ivies. They own a good chunk of the real estate in Manhatten.

Several myths abound regarding non-profits:

1. They're poor, and are in constant need of donations.

2. Nobody gets rich off of them.

3. They are paragons of morality, and morally superior to the for-profit sector.

None of these statements are true, and yet non-profits rarely get the scrutiny that the for-profit sector gets. No wonder moonbats are attracted to them.

I actually worked in two non-profit orgs. at different times. I worked here in LA for a non-profit group called SHARE!, that does fit that description of those three points and for the YMCA that in fact does not fit that description. I just depends on which non-profit org. that you are talking about. I'm proud of my work at SHARE!, but loathed working at the YMCA. It's tragic. The YMCA used to be a great org., but has now become quite corrupt.

104 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:39:43am

Just heard that Syria may be moving, to join the hezballah islamofascist terrorist group in Lebanon.

Just a blip from FOX News.

105 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:40:55am
#40 Irene NYC

And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have AP's photo of an X by Ehud Olmert's head. Configured from the Jewish star/Israeli flag no less.

Irene NYC, you should send that link to Charles. That is one of the most obvious examples of deliberate subliminal messaging I have ever seen.

/Much clearer than the word "sex" spelled out in the ice cubes in the whiskey glass.

106 GuyverII  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:40:55am

Wow. Another amazing story. Charles you are the best.

107 Beagle  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:41:12am

#95 nodroG

Ah, I see you still have no evidence to back up anything you say. At least you have your own rotating title. Nobody else can say that.

Do you work for CAIR by chance?

108 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:41:18am
#40 Irene NYC

And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have AP's photo of an X by Ehud Olmert's head. Configured from the Jewish star/Israeli flag no less.

Irene NYC, you should send that link to Charles. That is one of the most obvious examples of deliberate subliminal messaging I have ever seen.

/Much clearer than the word "sex" spelled out in the ice cubes in the whiskey glass.

109 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:41:18am
Considering that there are also American citizens, in America who are islamofascist terrorists, as well as some Americans who fully support islamofascist terrorists,(most of the left) according to your thinking, we should then do what?

Tried for treason, and if guilty, executed.

110 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:41:31am

I would argue another huge effect on the news we see is the leftist teachers of journalism courses in the colleges in the US and elsewhere.

111 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:41:46am

#68 liberality

Moral equivalence again?

I'd think you would have learned by now that is not a valid arguement,it is logically flawed.

Great Britain is a victim that does not endorse terrorism while Iran,Syria and North Korea are the perpetrators.

Even you should be able to see the difference.

112 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:43:12am

liberality,

After all, the British have long ignored the terrorists in their midsts, and have, in fact facilitated their activites with their lax laws and mores. Do not all British people hold responsibility for British terrorists?

The conspirators were detained by British authorities. Far cry from Lebanon where Hizb'Allah operates with impunity.

Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

113 yavanna  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:45:38am

#75 msinfidel

I wholeheartedly agree.

... and APTN should be barred from Israel.

114 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:48:34am

#110 hous

I've been wondering about that.

If AP,Reuters,AFP, etc control the news gathering process,what is the point of journalism "schools"?

115 Manker  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:48:37am

#76 liberality

Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill AMericans give us the right to bomb London, Cardiff, Glasgow and Belfast?

After, the British have long ignored terrorists in their midst, and have, in fact, facilitated their activities with their lax laws and mroes. Should not all British citizens be held responsible for the acts of British terrorists?

I will give two answers, one adult, and one childish because of the low level of thinking put by the question.


Adult: No, because the British in this case are not 'actively' supporting these terrorists. While they are aware that terrorists are in there nation, they cannot identify them.

They are not walking around with Yellow flags. The fact is that Britain is still a democracy so while someone may something that borders on treason you cannot do anything to them. Also this group of terrorists had not setup a state within a state.

What you don't understand is that Hizb'allah had literally taken over the southern third of Lebanon and parts of Beirut. When you walked into Hizb'allah areas, there were Hizb'allah guards who stood at checkpoints. When travelling south to a certain point, Hizb'allah would literally have a checkpoint for cars, and checking who could come in. EVERYONE in lebanon knew about this, and did NOTHING.

How many people in Britain were aware of this plot? Maybe at most a hundered, a thousand?

The fact was that every lebanese knew that Hizb'allah had turned that southern part of their country into Hizb'allahland. They were taking over more and more. There was no attempt to fight it and many do openly and fully willingly support them.

The metaphorical answer to your question is this.

If the gov't gives part of your taxes to a criminal through welfare are you part of any crime he/she commits?

If you are aware that someone is going to commit a crime, you know where the person is, that they are doing something illegal, and are indirectly helping (by not in some form obstructing the crime) or directly by helping the criminals, are you part of any crime that he/she commits?

If you cannot tell the difference between the two, please leave.

Childish (and more appropreiate): What are you a dumbass?

116 Roger  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:49:12am

#76 liberality

They are BCINO.

117 andthenblammo!  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:50:16am

Ladies and gentlemen, please remain calm. There is a thread hijacking in progress. No need for panic. Please put your seatbacks in the upright position, replace your lap trays, and tighten your shoelaces. Pelting the perpetrators with stale bagels and used diapers is encouraged.

Thank you for your consideration. *click*

118 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:52:37am

#40 Irene

That is a severely cropped photo.

I wonder why?

119 Junior  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:53:05am

Another OT:

Isn't this an interesting blurb on top of cnn.com

"The Associated Press reports U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has phoned Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to ask if there is any room left for diplomacy to solve the Mideast crisis, said a source close to the Israeli government."

Hmm... sounds like Rice is even looking for a green light to say "Ok, screw this diplo-crap, here we go."

All hell may be about to break lose.

120 Killer Tomato  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:57:15am

#117 andthenblammo!

Can't be a hijacking. I've seen those Airplane movies. I don't see a nun with a guitar anywhere around here.

121 _remembertonyc  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:57:41am

this is why FOX news is hated so much ...

because they truly are "fair and balanced," they give Israel a fair shake. and this is very upsetting to the dinosaur media because FOX's reporting exposes their laziness and outright lies.

we are all lucky that FOX news exists ...

122 republic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 8:59:45am

#109 Kragar

Tried for treason, and if guilty, executed.

The ACLU, and the left, are all doing their best to interfere!

123 groinpullerredux  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:07:19am

# 68

i agree completely.....might i suggest we start with a MOAB and a few bunker busters on my mother in law's home in Congresbury south of Bath.

124 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:08:43am

#114 Totaly...

If AP,Reuters,AFP, etc control the news gathering process,what is the point of journalism "schools"?

Other than to give liberal teachers a "job" rather than have them on welfare hanging out in coffee shops all the time, I don't have a clue.

/wait a minute. There isn't much difference there.

125 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:09:33am

Hi,

From a "respected" journalism site, Poynteronline's Romanesko, I found the below quotation. It is a reference to an article in Slate that this journalist finds compelling.

It is breathtakingly cavalier about truth and facts -- here, post-modernism reaches its logical terminus.

Their quote:

"News photographers shouldn't doctor their photos, but ... Doctoring" is a slippery concept, and photographic truth is an illusion, says Jim Lewis. "Realism is a special effect like any other, and the sooner we realize as much, the better off we'll be. ...Someday we will approach each photograph we look at with the condign skepticism we bring to each story we read."we should judge a news photograph as a collection of purported facts about the world that is accurate if its claims are true and inaccurate if they're not. ... But "doctoring" is a slippery concept, and photographic truth is an illusion. Realism is a special effect like any other, and the sooner we realize as much, the better off we'll be"


[Link: www.slate.com...]

Kris

126 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:10:09am

Oh stop it.....

You don't mean that the AP is sending out biased news world wide do you?

/sarc off

127 zuukie  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:10:27am

Many independent sources have chosen to use the provided material. Have any of them protested the biased level of the material provided to them? Why have them chosen to used such biased material? Could it have something to do with the sludge New Age level of thinking where everything can be solved by examining one's belly button and looking inward?

128 brainsample  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:14:03am

As an attorney who occasionally dabbles in tax exempt entities, I'm fascinated by the following line and wonder if Charles or his source can clarify:

"The Associated Press (AP) is a not-for-profit news gathering and dissemination service based in the US.Formed in 1848, the AP grew up from an agreement between the six major New York newspapers of the day."

Does this mean the AP is a nonprofit entity (501(c)(3)), and as such, is tax-exempt from its income?

If it is a tax-exempt entity, on what basis does it qualify? This isn't a Jewish or Catholic organization operating a hospital. And I would be surprised if their actions could fall under the category of educational.

I would think that its tax-exempt status for providing its services would give it one hell of an advantage over its competition.

129 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:14:29am

Well... This sheds a lot of light on things.

I'm beginning to see how we've all been played for suckers. Consider this idea... I'll call it, "The Arrangement":

THE ARRANGEMENT is that the Middle Eastern countries allow the West access to sweet, delicious oil in exchange for occasional shipments of guns and bombs, and the right to pick on Israel. Our State Department's hangup on "stability" is therefore a hangup on the status quo... Western nations get the oil, Arab nations get to scapegoat (and jihad against) Israel, and to some degree - but not too much of a degree - us, the Great Satan. The SUV juice keeps flowing, the Muslim regimes stay in power, and the death and destruction is kept to background noise levels - a dozen here, a dozen there, in Israel, on a US ship, whatever. It's manageable, in much the same way that the FAA is comfortable with a certain number of plane crash deaths per year. Of course the victim of this is the Jews, but hey, fuck it... "They're Jews, right? Who cares!"

This partly explains why Arafat stayed in power for so long... Because he was the circus master, the puppeteer, the director of Jihad. Every time people get these ridiculous notions of peace or democracy anywhere in the region, he sent some splodeydopes into Israel, prompting reaction, so he could shout "JIHAD, JIHAD!" and everybody's attention is diverted. So we go round and round in circles with this "Peace Process" which is in fact a "Status Quo Process" and here again we find State Department's fingerprints all over everything.

Now the problems start when the Tiny Minority in the Muslim world drinks too much of the kool-aid and steps out of line. Some of the Jihadists - normally a force of instability that helps KEEP "stability" by diverting attention to Israel - say "Why stop at just killing a few Jooos in Israel? It says in the Koran that we should subjugate the whole world... Why not execute BIG terrorist attacks against... Like... EVERYBODY?" The Arab regimes stutter a little and say "Um, right, OK great idea! Yeah... So how about we start with... AFGHANISTAN! Yeah. You guys go there!"

Prince Bandar admitted as much after September 11th. "We sent these guys (Jihadists) there (Afghanistan agains the Soviets) with the fondest hopes that they never come back." Not because they were immoral, but because they were TOO extreme.

Here's where the Sunni/Shiite split comes into play. Iran has already drank this kool-aid, big time, since 1979, and that's why they're a problem... They're not playing the game.

The Saudis and the Gulf States are playing. They're ostensibly working to tone down the Jihad at home. Pakistan is playing... They're sitting on the razor's edge between friend and enemy, but they're at least putting on airs of helping us out.

The people who AREN'T playing are... Iran and Syria.

What I get from seeing things this way, is a realization that about the last fifty years of our foreign policy has been a giant scam. Keep the oil moving, keep the average Muslim down and quiet, keep the level of dead Jews to a certain level (not to much, not too little), and everybody just... Be cool and not do anything crazy.

That all changed on September 11th... When the Arrangement's chickens flew home to roost, right into WTC1 and WTC2.

Interestingly enough this lends strength to the idea that Bush isn't a total moron. Whatever good there is in him said, "Hey, it's time for a paradigm shift... Why don't we try democracy instead." Political and religious reform in the Arab/Muslim world is the key to defusing this whole thing, and in his own jaundiced politician's way, he sees that. Of course his way of doing this was to project power right into the middle of the rat's nest in a very ugly and extra-legal way (however morally right it might be to wipe out Saddam).

And what Charles has just told us about here? That's the Media part of "The Arrangement".

Things that make you go "hmmm..."

130 groinpullerredux  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:15:31am

# 68

on mature consideration make that 2 MOABS and a baker's dozen of bunker busters....too little ordnance will only make the miserable old bat angry....and trust me when i tell you we wouldn't enjoy THAT....

131 brainsample  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:17:53am

As an attorney who occasionally dabbles in tax exempt entities, I'm fascinated by the following line and wonder if Charles or his source can clarify:

"The Associated Press (AP) is a not-for-profit news gathering and dissemination service based in the US.Formed in 1848, the AP grew up from an agreement between the six major New York newspapers of the day."

Does this mean the AP is a nonprofit entity (501(c)(3)), and as such, is tax-exempt from its income?

If it is a tax-exempt entity, on what basis does it qualify? This isn't a Jewish or Catholic organization operating a hospital. And I would be surprised if their actions could fall under the category of educational.

I would think that its tax-exempt status for providing its services would give it one hell of an advantage over its competition.

132 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:19:01am

So are you saying the Jooos don't control the media. I thought the media was run by a vast Zionist conspiracy.

133 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:19:30am

#125 hermeneutics

From your link

that is accurate if its claims are true

No, it is accurate if it is accurate.

I shudder for modern news. (Modern? Perhaps it was always so)

I suppose that news and photo manipulators are often laboring under the above delusion. Akin to convicting murderer Capone of tax evasion, they feel it is okay to falsify reports against someone they consider evil, to balance the "fact" that they just know the someone is doing much evil that isn't reported. They would do well to recall that the tax charge against Capone was valid.

134 brainsample  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:20:01am

I don't know how or why I posted twice.

My apologies.

135 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:26:53am
136 ovidius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:33:23am

# 110 hous bin pharteen

You're right. I would have thought it was mainly cultural/institutional bias, of the kind held by the graduates churned out by schools and universities these days. The kind of bias which says that the perceived victim, the unsuccessful, the degenerate, the criminal is always the good guy.

137 InklingBooks  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:33:52am

I just sent a note and a link to this article to the news directors at three TV network stations in Seattle, suggesting it was something they might want to look into. Others might want to do the same in their cities. With a bit of effort, we can make a major news story out of this.

--Michael W. Perry, editor of The School of Journalism by Joseph Pulitzer

138 LynnBo  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:53:56am

Thank you very much for this important, and extremely disturbing information.

It explains a lot. It exposes the roots, causes, and opportunities to remedy the media bias.

This unfair bias must end. What should be done to stop this?

139 mattm  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:56:10am
the re-showing of Palestinian celebrations on 9/11 is considered “sensitive”.

Do we need any more proof that they are biased? I don't.

140 webbww  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:58:48am

#110 hous

I've been wondering about that.

If AP,Reuters,AFP, etc control the news gathering process,what is the point of journalism "schools"?

A: To keep at least some of the intelligence-challenged students out of the Schools of Education.

141 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:09:22am

Great to see some more original reporting on LGF!

Blog news, it's not just for links anymore!

142 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:11:16am

UN-FLIPPIN-BELIEVEABLE!
Now it all makes sense. Don't blame them for doing it, otherwise their image might be that of bloodthirsty, retrograde nitwits. Couldn't have that now - Could We?

-S-

143 Facts of Life  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:11:45am

#135

I agree fully with Ploome Hineni. If they had some vigorous protest of the terrorist acts, then I might agree.

Right now a large group actively engages in violent acts.

A very large group actively supports them as is evidenced by all the demonstrations and the statements of major organizations such as CAIR.

A tiny minority have protested.

There is a significant number that is highly dangerous and we are insane and suicidal to assume that most are safe. They should be denied access to any high security or vulnerable position.

If they are investigated and found to be clean, they still should be subject to the utmost scrutiny.

The vast majority harmless theory is very harmfull to our safety and security.

144 Facts of Life  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:13:56am

#135

I agree fully with Ploome Hineni. If they had some vigorous protest of the terrorist acts, then I might agree.

Right now a large group actively engages in violent acts.

A very large group actively supports them as is evidenced by all the demonstrations and the statements of major organizations such as CAIR.

A tiny minority have protested.

There is a significant number that is highly dangerous and we are insane and suicidal to assume that most are safe. They should be denied access to any high security or vulnerable position.

If they are investigated and found to be clean, they still should be subject to the utmost scrutiny.

The vast majority harmless theory is very harmfull to our safety and security.

145 Facts of Life  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:14:43am

Sorry for the double post.

146 nonic  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:20:49am

#135 ploome
#143 Facts

The vast majority harmless theory is very harmfull to our safety and security.

I also agree.

One hears this (i.e., the majority are harmless) all the time. Where is the proof?

This may prove the single most dangerous misperception out there.

147 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:50:20am

#129 pawn...


THE ARRANGEMENT is that the Middle Eastern countries allow the West access to sweet, delicious oil in exchange for occasional shipments of guns and bombs, and the right to

I have read in the past that the possible oil reserves in North Dakota could be bigger than what is in Saudi Arabia. Wouldn't that be a shame.
I can't seem to find a link however.
Any LGFers know what I am talking about?

148 Gordon  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:56:47am

Kill them or convert them, right #135 Ploome?

You're still a blinkered idiot, I see.

149 Facts of Life  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 10:59:15am

#148

...and you Gordon are still the same blind, deluded, suicidal fool and foil that is dangerous to yourself and to this country.

150 Merovign  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:02:19am

What is the "group name" for trolls, anyway?

A dissembly? A distraction of trolls?

151 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:06:19am

127

There's supposedly an estimated billions and billions of lovely, delicious oil locked up in shale in Colorado, enough to keep us independent of Insanity Arabia for a long, long time... Long enough for them to crumble to dust as their foreign aid sources vanish and their society implodes under the weight of stagnation. The problem is that it's tough to get out of the shale and not enough research has been done to that end. There's also oil sands in Canada.

I say take next year's $2BN jizyah to Egypt and dump it into a balls-to-the-wall oil shale extraction "Manhattan Project" (wouldn't that be an interesting name for it?) and as soon as we can produce, we tell the Saudis to go fuck themselves... It would save us all a lot of trouble in the long run. Isolate, marginalize, efficientise, become self-sufficient. Pull our collective national wiener out of the festering sandy Middle East, except for top-to-bottom backing of democratic movements and states (Israel, Lebanon's Cedar Revolution, Iranian reform, non-insane Iraqis, Kurds, etc.) Let the rest die on the vine, with the occasional smackdown on terrorism where required (Somalia II?).

All we have to do is be stronger and smarter. Why are we hanging ourselves with this frigging oil rope? It's stupid. It doesn't have to be this way.

152 LynnBo  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:16:56am

#135, #143

I don't think its all so black & white.

I uttered the words "I love you" to my ex when I absolutely hated him.

The reason was: He had me completely pinned on the ground and was choking me with all his might demanding I tell him I love him.

Had I not said it, I am POSITIVE I would have been killed.

153 FabioC.  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:24:06am

The Manhattan Project was an unique fact of history. The theoretical fundaments of nuclear fission were known, but it took much more pure and applied work to turn that into a deployable weapon.

Extraction of oils from oil shales is scientifically trivial in comparison. The real problems with that are practical - for example, where to put that mount od processed shale? Where breakthrough are possible is with the in situ exploitation of shales, that is without mining the whole thing.

It's curious that government-funded programs are venerated as The Solution in this case.

154 Sihlus  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:25:16am
What is the "group name" for trolls, anyway?

An Embarrassment of Trolls
A Festering of Trolls
A Regurgitation of Trolls

155 Gordon  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:26:53am

#149 Facts of Life: Do you agree with Ploome's nazilogic?

156 Roger  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:35:43am

#152 LynnBo, uh, as bad as your situation was, your logic is inverted. Ploome is saying it is not black & white.

157 backhoe  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:36:21am
#150 Merovign 8/11/2006 01:02PM PDT
What is the "group name" for trolls, anyway?
A dissembly? A distraction of trolls?

I'd call it a dissembling, since that's what they do.

Charles needs to use the banning stick a little more, or code in an "ignore" button.

158 Roger  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:42:14am

#155 Gordon

Ploome's nazilogic?

You love getting away with saying that to a Jew, don't you Gordon?

159 BobTheBuilder  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:56:06am

zulubaby, I added the LA Times piece about Charles and LGF to Digg.

[Link: digg.com...]

Please digg it up lizards!

BTW the digg address for THIS LGF entry is:
[Link: digg.com...]

160 webbww  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 11:59:39am

#150 Merovign 8/11/2006 01:02PM PDT

What is the "group name" for trolls, anyway?

DU?

161 webbww  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:03:29pm

#151 Pawn of the Oppressor 8/11/2006 01:06PM PDT

I say take next year's $2BN jizyah to Egypt and dump it into a balls-to-the-wall oil shale extraction "Manhattan Project" (wouldn't that be an interesting name for it?) and as soon as we can produce, we tell the Saudis to go fuck themselves... It would save us all a lot of trouble in the long run. Isolate, marginalize, efficientise, become self-sufficient. Pull our collective national wiener out of the festering sandy Middle East, except for top-to-bottom backing of democratic movements and states (Israel, Lebanon's Cedar Revolution, Iranian reform, non-insane Iraqis, Kurds, etc.) Let the rest die on the vine, with the occasional smackdown on terrorism where required (Somalia II?).

It wouldn't flippin matter in terms of the WOT.

They don't hate us because we prop up the House of Saud, or for anything else having to do with oil or a presence in the Middle East.

They hate us because we're infidels, and will kill their children to either see us dead or converted to their sick, twisted, aberrant form of Islam.

162 ColKurtz  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:19:24pm

Excellent piece. Thanks!

163 LynnBo  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:26:16pm

#156 Roger

Perhaps I misunderstood. I just wanted to point something out. Take, for example, Iraq. As per Iraq the Model Bloggers, there are many unsavory "militia men" and the everyday citizens are very wary. So you don't see (ordinary citizens) out on the streets protesting the violence against them and the democratically elected Iraqi government. Nor do you see them demonstrating in support of the coalition.

But we DID see them vote! They DID take the risk and vote.

I have tried to encourage them (in comments on) Iraq the Model to get out in the streets and demonstrate for democracy. Their excuse is they don't want to invite retaliation violence from the extremeists upon them and their families.

164 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:26:26pm

Does using nazi slurs against a jew merit the use of the banning stick?

165 Partisan  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:26:35pm

#68 liberality

"Does the fact that British citizens were planning to kill Americans
give us the right to bomb London, Glasgow, Cardiff and Belfast?"

No, the British government took responsibility for the actions within
it's borders and foiled the attack.

See the difference?

166 Facts of Life  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:27:02pm

#155

What's Nazilogic about it?

167 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:28:11pm

gordon, Hitler was a liberal. If anyone is a Nazi, its the left. Get over it already.

168 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:28:14pm

#150 Merovign

I'm pretty sure the proper term is an "assload" of trolls

169 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:32:07pm

And Gordon?

I seem to recall there was nothing wrong with hating your enemy and wanting to kill them during WW1 and WW2. Somehow that has changed to trying to make your enemy like you and convince them not to kill you.

I happen to know a few 101st paratroopers who felt that way. Try slinging that Nazi crap at them. See how far it gets you.

And they choose to be our enemy. Not the other way around.

170 helenw  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:36:05pm

Thank you. That was an outstanding report.

171 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:41:53pm

Great article.

Gives real meaning to McLuhan's observation that:


The medium is the message.

172 Idigscotch&scotchburiesme  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:41:54pm

Please stop feeding the trolls.
Pawn-o-the-man, you have me in a deep, serious hhmmmmm...

173 Roger  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 12:47:05pm

#164 TotallySirius, not only that but knows it never needs to respond to truth from other posters; the very definition of a bannable troll.

174 Acesover8ts  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 1:49:40pm

#146 ...I also agree.
One hears this (i.e., the majority are harmless) all the time. Where is the proof?
This may prove the single most dangerous misperception out there....

Funny thing is that is what the Jews in Germany thought about the storm troopers.

175 Don Miguel  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 1:51:46pm

Scary. Very interesting and thanks to the author.

176 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 1:54:23pm
177 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 1:57:37pm
178 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 2:01:10pm
179 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 2:03:16pm
180 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 2:09:36pm
181 xyan  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 2:53:40pm

Thanks for a very informative article. AP should be thoroughly dissected. Media's lack of accountability and responsibility is ridiculous.

182 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 4:46:40pm

The simple path would have been for the various Arab customers to have been served by one or more news agencies who would pool their funds to buy and edit product from APTN. Why did AP choose this path, which compromises their credibility and has to make their books mess?

183 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 4:57:25pm

They should spin it off now. Long term contracts, prospect of a long war in the Middle East, and emerging pan-Arab networks all add value. Proceeds would make for some fat non-profit bonuses.

184 antipilgerite  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 6:39:34pm

#32 H-4:

Sockwald, the MSM and LGF:

"the [Christian Science Monitor] reporter was intent on praising and glorifying LGF, not exposing the vile, dangerous sentiments which it exists to stoke and inflame"

What dangerous sentiments? Hatred of Islamists and the hard left? Well, gee, that would be a tall order for anyone. I mean, in their own communiques they behead hostages / stone women to death / gas puppies and mock 9-11 victims / support communist dictators / expose their grossly distended scrotums to schoolchildren, repectively. I mean, that's like arguing that anyone who's against ulcerative colitis is part of a fascist, reactionary movement which alone is responsible for needless bigotry against a fascinating and misunderstood "biolgical difference".

Speaking of colons, after a perusal of "Unclaimed territory" (the space between Glenn Greenwald's ears?) I suspect the author spends so much time with his head jammed up his own that Starbucks has opened up a franchise in there.

185 cyberbot7  Fri, Aug 11, 2006 9:56:44pm

#135 ploome hineni

#143 Facts of Life

#146 nonic

#149 Facts of Life

100% Agree!

Hope this post doesn't get [deleted]

186 Orbit Rain  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 12:30:48am

money money money

The answers become ever so more obvious.

money money money

*we* could spend more moola ...or we can dismantle...

money money money

lol


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