What's to accept?

"This is a Palestinian issue and an Arab issue and it is up to the Israelis to deal with the fait accompli,"

Bombs, away........

But in the pics, Olmert and Abbas are using the same hand gestures. Creepy...

"This is clear to everyone, including Israel, the (Palestinian) government or other parties. It is not up to them to say 'yes' or 'no' if the talk is about official negotiations between us and the Israelis," he added.

That's right. "No" pretty much covers it all.

Abbas will meet King Abdullah II on Monday and on Tuesday he will hold talks in Amman with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Better pack your Geiger counter.

Neither will happen.

unfortunately, fomr previous experiences, Olmert will be the one to blink.

Sorry, OT already -

Extreme Makeover: Home Edition is on right now, and they're going to replace the shoddily-built Ohio home of WTC rescuer Jason Thomas, the Marine that rescued the two Port Authority cops depicted in the movie World Trade Center

Problem solved!

How many times have we seen this before?

"This is a Palestinian issue and an Arab issue and it is up to the Arabs to deal with the fait accompli,"

Israel exists.

Deal with it.

Baha'u'llah HAS come. Deal with it.

Hey Abbas, I got yer 'acceptance' right here. ~crotchal gesture~

#11 carradine

Good to see you back, in short advice to the PA is
Get A Life.

-S-

The Palestinians will be killing each other before they get a chance at the peace table or all that cash that the Europeans want to give them; so it really does not make any difference who accepts who.
If Hamas does not accept Israel or it's right to exist, well they don't have to look at the walls surrounding their sorry asses.

Muslim leaders: either whining or making demands.

00 Charles

AMMAN (AFP) - Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas has said that Israel must accept the new national unity government being set up between rival factions, a news agency reported. or else Hamas will kill him.

"This is a Palestinian issue and an Arab issue and it is up to the Israelis us to deal with the fait accompli," of the fact that Israel exists and is a sovereign Nation unlke the repulsive depraved P.A. regime.

There, fixed it.

So Abbas and his men say that they have joined with Hamas. That does not make any change in the requirement set by the international community that the Pali Authority must:
1. recognize Israel's right to exist
2. renounce violence
3. accept all of the previous agreements reached between the Pali Authority and Israel.

The first one, recognizing Israel's right to exist, may seem a bit odd. It means that the Pali Authority must recognize Israel's legitimacy and permanence.

It is not the same thing as Hamas' Covenant, whose preamble states that Israel exists and will exist until Islam destroys it. That Hamas Covenant says that Israel exists, but only temporarily, and implies that Israel will be destroyed by Islam, and that its existence is illegitimate.

Does it matter whether the Pali Authority recognizes Israel's right to exist? It matters if Pali schoolchildren are taught that Israel's existence is legitimate and permanent, because if that takes root then it would be more difficult to do warmongering, and do jihad against Israel, than at present. This requires a clear unambiguous statement by the Pali Authority that Israel has a right to exist, and a committment to teach that to Pali children.

#13 Doc Shalit: No, no, the Palestinian Authority is ALL ABOUT life. You misunderstand. The PA is about TAKING life. From the Israelis.

No need to 'get a life...'

The PA is busy with its love of Israeli death!

Sounds reasonable. It's really too bad that "reasonable" is considered un-Islamic.

A must read about this subject....The fight for Jerusalem..Dore Gold...please read it...arm youself with facts.

Can I pick one, without reading the links? ;)

LGF reader: Why don't you people read the links?

Cartman: Screw you.

/smile

The puzzle pieces of "Peacemaker" solves this problem.

Abbas will meet King Abdullah II on Monday and on Tuesday he will hold talks in Amman with Russian President Vladimir Putin

Now why does this part not shock me?

#13 Dr Shalit: on a less-sarcastic, less caustic and more real-world note, there was an essay at FrontPageMag.com that succinctly explained how the Muslim mind accepts duality (ie., jihad is peaceful/jihad is war) in its many forms, relying on inculcation and context to show WHICH of those true states is to come forth at any given moment.

The western mind, however, uses a unitarian construct, (albeit with dualistic inclusions such as wave/particle duality) of either/or.

The Lord of Hosts specifically outlines unitary concepts, unitary thought forms and His support for American ideals...

17 EE

The first one, recognizing Israel's right to exist, may seem a bit odd. It means that the Pali Authority must recognize Israel's legitimacy and permanence.

If I sell you a piece of property but don't recognize the legitimacy of the sale, then you have got a real problem.

Ergo, without the recognition of Israel, all agreements are rendered null and void.

#19 jwbaumann: "Islamic" is a VERY ALIEN way of thinking, and has provoked widespread non-study, avoidance and resultant ignorance of POLITICAL Islam because of that deeply alien dualism so evident in Muslims.

That and a dozen OTHER manifestations of Islamic racism, misogyny, elitist superiority, self-victimization and hatred...

So we are back to exactly where we were 5 or 10 years ago, except there are a lot more dead people. Palestine refuses to recognize Israel and will not renounce violence, and the Saudi conference indicated that Palestine will not recognize any previous treaties or agreements between Israel and the quasi-state of Palestine. If a country will not live up to its agreements with it neighbors and continues to fire unguided rockets at its neighbor it would be safe to assume a state of war exists between the two states. Israel has given up about all the land she can, and the Pali's still demand more. This war will continue forever until one side destroys the other. I doubt if the current Israeli leadership has the will to win this war.

Oh great, now I get to ignore Norah Jones for slamming Bush. Shut up and sing! TM Laura Ingraham

It is truly my belief that if any other democracy in the world other than Isreal lived in that neighbourhood, the Paleos would have been vapourized 50 years ago.

Just sayin'

have the Palestinians really stopped killing each other or is not just not being reported?

24 carridine 2/11/2007 04:32PM PST
That was an excellent read, an exceptional essay. I read that the other day and recommend it highly too.

#27 loFlyer
Hence the need for the Israeli electorate to WTFU and get rid of Olmert and his party.
Did anyone notice that Abbas' right ring finger? Looks like he lost part of it eh.

From Olmert's statement at the Israeli Cabinet meeting today:

“The international community, led by the Quartet, has clearly determined that any Palestinian government must fully adopt the following three conditions: A) Recognition of the State of Israel’s right to exist; B) A halt to – and the disavowal of – terrorist actions; and C) Acceptance and implementation of the agreements that have been previously signed with Israel, including acceptance of the Roadmap. The Quartet clearly reiterated this position at its 2.2.07 meeting.

After the meeting in Mecca, no Palestinian statement was issued accepting these conditions. Israel emphasizes that terrorist actions against it, including the firing of Kassam missiles and the smuggling of war materiel into the Gaza Strip, are continuing and that the abducted soldier Gilad Shalit has yet to be released. . . .”

The Quartet meets again on February 21, two days after the triangular summit between Olmert and Abbas. At the summit, Olmert should present the three conditions to Abbas and ask whether he is prepared to issue a public endorsement of them on behalf the "unity" government. If he isn't, the conversation needs to stop.

ok, so now that they've agreed not to kill each other, when we see missles coming from Palestine, we'll see it as an act of war...again...and will react accordingly...the money-flow can stop...again...

Is youtube.com dead for anyone else?

27 loFlyer

I agree with your analysis but the war is Israel v the entire Arab and Muslim world. The war will never end. It is useless for Israel to compromise with people who will never do the same.

#33 jpundit

At the summit, Olmert should present the three conditions to Abbas and ask whether he is prepared to issue a public endorsement of them on behalf the "unity" government.

Should that be in English, in Arabic, or both?

Don't worry guys! Barack Obama will be able to solve this problem when he gets into the white house. No need to worry!

#29: If there's anything wrong with Israel, in my view, it's that they are too restrained. Of course it's easy to say that when their every move is met with international outcry.

#35 Pro-Bush Canuck

No. Are you behind a firewall?

#38 freak

Yeah, he'll solve it by cutting support to Israel.

U.S. defense officials say they have evidence linking some of the deadliest weapons being used against U.S. forces in Iraq to the highest levels of the Iranian government

Kerry, the 2004 presidential candidate, said despite the evidence, the United States must try to engage Iran diplomatically.

Has this man ever not not sided with our enemies?

#24 carridine

The Lord of Hosts specifically outlines unitary concepts, unitary thought forms and His support for American ideals...

Beautifully stated, and very true.

Most folks aren't too inclined to delve into the metaphysical differences between Islam and the Western world, however they are key to understanding why the chasm between us is so deep, and why it may be permanently unbridgable.

The differences between Islam and Judeo-Chistianity are deeper than those between Judeo-Christianity and Hinduism. Islam evinces a uniquely dehumanizing theology which reduces God to something like an all-powerful mathematical equation. It is not surprising that Islam and Marxism are such a comfortable pair together. Both are essentially about stripping the cosmos of its human dimension, and doing so will always bring tyranny, genocide or both.

#39 Fjordman

At some point you have to just say "screw the outcry". I think the Palestinians have a free pass to launch rockets at civilian targets precisely because the "international community" knows that they don't care what they think.

The Israelis, I'm sorry to say, have to be more like their adversaries.

...Western leaders said they had to study the deal before responding.

Searching for that rose in a cesspool that will allow them to speak of slow but steady progress for the Peace Process ™.

#42 Geepers

Kerry, the 2004 presidential candidate, said despite the evidence, the United States must try to engage Iran diplomatically.

And this man was 60,000 votes away from being President!

No, here are the real AP headlines:

Abbas: Israel must simply be reasonable

Olmert: We must drink the blood of Palestinians

/Moonbat off

#31 CrimsonFisted: Sir, the essay in point is HERE.

Got off my lazy duff and linked directly to it. YES, Fisted, it is a very enlightening, non-screed essay.

#40 Earth2moonbat

Yes but YouTube always works for me from here...

Still cannot get through. I thought it might be the Grammys causing an overload. Strange.

ABCNEWS Diane Sawyer in Iran; exclusive interview with Ahmadinejad... Developing...

Maybe she make kissie faces at him...and laugh like a school girl...it worked for Assad.

#42 Geepers

But Democratic Sen. Jack Reed wondered whether the influx of Iranian armaments was a plan by the Islamic regime in Tehran or just "rogue elements" within it.

This man isn't fit to be the Mayor of a very small village, and yet, he's making decisions that can either mean life or death for you and me, and all Americans.

The top officials in Iran are "rogue elements".

#50 Storagemanager

What's on his iPod - the world needs to know!

#50 storagemanager

Maybe we'll finally find out what he has on his ipod! That's what *I've* been dying to know!

#49 Pro-Bush Canuck

I wish I understood the physical workings of the internet a little better. My ISP recently had a problem where about half the internet (including LGF) was inaccessable, and then they fixed it. Sort of. Ever since, I've been having mysterious events where several websites would become inaccessable, when other people could get them. I don't quite understand what's going on. And I don't have any sites blocked in my firewall.

It's obvious what's on the bleedin' iPod. Quotations from Chairman Shorty.

#54 Earth2moonbat

Several root servers got heavily attacked a few weeks ago. It is a testament to the resilency of the web that nobody noticed.

Nonetheless I'm sure there are hidden armies of Islamist hackers (Chinese too) who are working day and night to hit all 13 root servers at once.

#52 sunburned, #50 Storagemanager
Ah, so Mr. Dinner Jacket is being interviewed. Just like Dan Rather interviewed Saddam just prior to his deposal from power.

42 Geepers

Has this man ever not not sided with our enemies?

Ummmm, nope.

#42 Geepers

Kerry, the 2004 presidential candidate, said despite the evidence, the United States must try to engage Iran diplomatically.

"Ultimately, they want an Iraq that is stable. They want influence. They want to be players in the region. And we need to recognize that and engage in a kind of diplomacy that the Iraq Study Group recommended," Kerry told ABC's "This Week."

What a complete, 100% asshat!

"They want to be players in the region"?

No Mr. Carry, they clearly want to wipe Israel off the map and destroy the United States, and they have been loudly, publicly saying this for quite some time now, and taking actions which will further their deranged plan!

Jon Carry is a total loser of the utmost meaning, and he is not fit to be making decisions affecting America, nor serving in Congress.

/spit!

I am not a citizen of the world. You lost me, Dixie Chicks.

U.S. ties Iranian leader to bombs killing U.S. troops

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military Sunday presented evidence it says shows an elite Iranian force under the command of Iran's supreme leader is behind bombings that have killed at least 170 U.S. troops in Iraq.

I'm Canadian and this really pisses me off, so I can only imagine how bloody angry it must make you all.

If I was an American I would be on the phone to the White House (or I guess my local Congress person) and demand to know why we aren't seeing grainy TV images of a burning presidential palace in Teheran right now.

He killed 170 of your sons!

Kill him!

56 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ok, but it's not clear that that's related to the problem. As I understand it, a router only requests an IP address from a root server if it's never had that URL requested before. Since I (and I'm sure many others) request LGF's URL daily, my local router should have that IP address in it's cache. I shouldn't need a root server for anything that I've requested before, at least recently. If I understand correctly how that works, anyway.

Israel's new gift for Iran:

First nighttime Arrow missile defense test successful
Sunday's test was the first conducted under "extreme circumstances"; officials: Arrow capable of intercepting Iranian missiles.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This pa government of national unity - does it mean that plas can just shoot anyone they don't like now, be their victim fatah or hamasholes?

United in violence. United in murder. United in genocide. Quick, recognise them, give 'em a state!

#43 ProBush Canuck: Sir, thank you Sir.

Every day brings new revelations of the depths and breadth and nature of the divide between Muslim humans and the rest of humanity.

They have the capacity, they have the right, but they are 'wrapt in a strange sleep, bereft of discernment to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears'

...and so Muslims seem to lack the desire to grow, to adapt, to BE in THIS Day, and devote so much of their energies to resisting, denial, self-victimization and rejection!

republic (#51),

It's unlikely that either one of them even care if Iran is involved or not.

Stand up, earn some nutroot cred by badmouthing the President and then get over to that cocktail party before the h'orderves are all gone.

#62 Earth2moonbat

Right. The root sever thing was more of an aside.

Blocking of IPs for no apparent reason is pretty mysterious. It may be a corrupt ARP table somewhere in the path I suppose. It could happen when blacklists get screwed up at the ISP level.

Things generally sort themselves out, but this YouTune thing is just weird. I still can't get through. Actually this happened to me once with LGF and Charles actually found the problem with his then ISP.

There will never be peace in the Middle East — at least as long as it is populated by both Muslims and Jews. Islam teaches to kill the Jews, and the Jews don't have the will to kill the Muslims. So the saga will continue until both are ruled by a greater power. Words and treaties mean nothing to natural enemies.

#65 carridine

They reject freedom. When God breathed Life into Man he made us free (as is so beautifully captured in the seminal documents of the United States of America). Christianity and Judaism are imbued with this connection between spiritual growth and freedom. Christ did not compel with a sword because He didn't need to.

Islam specifically denies human freedom (throught the technical doctrine of volunteerism). Their civilization and behavior is a direct reflection of their warped theology. Our civilization is (for the most part, the Left excluded) a reflection of our knowledge that we are made in His image, and that He loves us and wishes for us only to choose Him freely. Which I do.

"

Ultimately, they want an Iraq that is stable. They want influence. They want to be players in the region. And we need to recognize that and engage in a kind of diplomacy that the Iraq Study Group recommended," Kerry told ABC's "This Week."

What a load-of-crap way of spinning that they want to take over.

"The Nazis only want a stable Poland/France/Belgium/Norway/etc. They want influence. They want to be players in each of those regions. Is that so wrong? We need to recognize that the Nazis just want to help run all these other places and work it out with them."

(Godwin bedarned)

One must remember that Arnold (as in Benedict) I mean Kerry, is parroting word for word what Khatami whispered in his ear, in Davos.

Of course that's reminiscent of his meeting, in Paris and what the North Vietnamese whispered in his ear.

He probably got his yet to be seen *CIA agent hat in Paris, as well. It was a gift of the North Vietnamese for being there and his part of the eventually successful efforts to undermine his country, while in the service of the U.S., which I believe is alluded to as a crime, in the U.S. Constitution.

*A Dead CIA agent, that is.

I think this what we call an impasse. Saudi Arabia's foot soldiers- I mean- the Palestinians will never recognise any state that is not Muslim (and it will be a cold day in hell when they recognise a Jewish state) and the Israelis have every right to hold the Palestinians at arm's length, or behind a fence.

#15 Spiritualized

Muslim leaders: either whining or and making demands.

Incredible arrogance. Israel MUST accept a government bent on its destruction. A government that it fuels, waters, feeds, and lights.

Where does this arrogance and entitlement come from?

Why are they so confidant ISrel will say not say 'fuck you, then. Starve, thirst, and freeze, then, if that's what you want. And if you raise a hand to us, we will pulp you.'

Becaseu the assuracnes come from the USA, at the demand of the KSA.

Israel can do what it likes, but if it does not fall in line, it will be doing it without vital military spare parts, and without diplomatic cover at the UN, which would slap sanctions and embargoes on her yesterday.

Thing is, Olmert does not have the gravitas and competence to navigate this dangerous stretch. But then again, when push comes to shove, no Israeli leader has ever fully been able to withstand the USA.

Maine's Michael,

Have you ever read the book "Secret War Against the Jews"? Your statements are consistent with its central thesis.

"One of these things is not like the others."

That's right. Abbas is very clear about what he wants. Olmert is mush, declaring that Israel must study, and wait, and evaluate.

Abbas is exuding sumud (steadfastness), the classic Palestinian Arab stance. Olmert is wearing a sign that says "pressure me."

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