Dougie Hooper is a tool.

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Why am I not surprised?

This just plain flat ass sucks. I really am taking a strong dislike to these people and I love just about everybody.

“good faith”?

from CAIR? there's an oxymoron if ever there was one

re: #3 Sharmuta

Why am I not surprised?

Hey! What are you doing later? How bout we get on the Jury?

Now about Voir Dire?

I feel sorry for Douglas' mother.

This is an interesting loophole. The John Doe amendment is worthless if they can sue anyways.

This action supports the idea that CAIR is against America.

Keep pushing Dougie boy. One day you'll find out we're not Europeans.

While Congree fiddles.

"Laws, smaws. We do what we want."

It's really important for the infidel to "feel themselves subdued."

:Know Voir Dire:

I can get us through Jury Selection.

No sweat!

RIAC, rat finks spelled backwards

If you didn't know better, you'd think Hooper and CAIR want to reduce America's chances of defending against another major attack.

Tucker Carlson later said one in three Muslims you see when you go to the airport in New York are "for jihad."

Sue me CAIR.. Sue me.....
May fleas live in your mothers moustaches.

On Tucker Carlson’s show, Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR talks about how they plan to use the “good faith” loophole of the “John Doe” amendment to continue suing Americans who report suspicious behavior.

Ibrahim Hooper - A Boy Named Sue

Hasn't CAIR's past record of winning these types of lawsuits been, shall we say, rather pathetic?

No kippa.

New PR rep, I suppose.

Did ya see the movie "Highlander"?

I am the guy (metaphorically speaking) driving around in the car looking to be a hero. In my case it is with words not (and for the trolls and feds), I repeat NOT with violence. And unlike our cinematic freak, my target is Muslims and dihmies.

In the store, mall, whereever I am, if I see anything suspicious I hit 911 on the mobile phone and report. Oh, how cool to be sued by CAIR! Then I could depose them!

GO RED SOX!

Tucker Carlson was actually quite good.

Is it possible to sue CAIR for supporting terrorism? I'm thinking like a victim of Hamas, for example, suing the unindicted co-conspirators for monetary damages.

our view : See Something, Say Something
Cairs view: See Something, try and blow it up, if you are unsuccessful, sue the person who stopped you

Intimidation on all fronts - that is how Islam evangelizes.

Counter Sue.

Discovery is a CAST IRON BITCH.

Here's my question: Did Tucker not get the memo?

/Why is he even talking to doogie?

re: #1 Hazmat

Dougie Hooper is a tool.

Couldn't we sue Hooper for being a dangerous tool? You know, like a faulty air bag or something?

A "good faith" clause? Thanks Congress. I'm guessing it's like the "the mother's health" loophole in abortion laws, which is usually big enough to drive a Mack truck through.

Let me be the first to say, "If I ever see suspicious behavior on a plane or on a train, in the mall or by a wall, near a house or near a mouse, I will shout it from the rooftops. I don't like CAIR and their ilk. I do not like them with chocolate milk. I do not like them, Sam I Am."

...and let's let them sue...we'll most likely bankrupt the organization.

Pssst, CAIR. This is a no-win situation here. The people, even liberals, support this law and the reporting of suspicious behavior at airports.

I would love an octagon for 3 minutes.

re: #8 Killgore Trout

This is an interesting loophole. The John Doe amendment is worthless if they can sue anyways.

Maybe the new legislation needs some REAL teeth to it. Something like triple damages and disbarment for any attorney that brings a suit which is subsequently rejected.

joking aside, would anyone here hesitate to report suspicious activity? or maybe consider withholding your name if you did report something?

He says muslim free flights like it's a bad thing.

Eventually CAIR will be out of the way, once the Feds get around to actually naming them as indicted co-conspirators in some case like the Holy Land Foundation case, or indicted for their own crimes.

" I almost didn't say anything because I didn't want to be called a racist"

Dude who turned in the Fort Dix 6.

no half respectabe judge would ever rule in favor of CAIR
the day we see something like that....we're in trouble

Perhaps we should do some test cases of our own. Be more bold in reporting suspicions, not less so.

I don't take to bullying well.

"There is a stubbornness about me that never can bear to be frightened at the will of others. My courage always rises at every attempt to intimidate me."

Hey CAIR,

I'll be on a domestic airline flight this coming Sunday, and if I see anything suspicious,
I will immediately report it.

See you in court @$$holes.

re: #5 bosforus

“good faith”?

from CAIR? there's an oxymoron if ever there was one

And Dougie is just a moron.

I too feel sorry for his mom. His, and Sherry Glaser's.

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Hooper is a f'in a'hole. Like to see his sorry ass either in jail or deported.

It is about time that CAIR came in for a criminal investigation. It is a comfort to know that all of their foreign telephone calls are tapped and that they are a valuable source of intelligence for counter-terror operations. Someday Dougie will meet Bubba and it should be an unforgettable day for Dougie.

Of course one suspects that CAIR has yet to truly understand the meaning of "discovery" and "Examinations Before Trial" ("EBT's) where the defendant has the right to examine CAIRS book and records and question CAIR representatives, under oath, about lots of things I'm certain CAIR doesn't want made public.

Note: this video was posted at YouTube by CAIR themselves, who obviously want it to be known that they’re going to pursue lawsuits against passengers.

This resolves any question of the lawsuit's motive, and its abuse of our court system. It is not intended to address a grievance, but to intimidate non-parties. In other words, CAIR seeks to make use of the Constitution's "suicide pact" amendment.

Five dead, six wounded in IAF airstrikes in the Gaza Strip

Casualties include 2 Hamas operatives, 3 members of Islamic Jihad; 2 Kassams hit Negev; Palestinian in W. Bank killed in stabbing attempt.

And a partridge in a pear tree.

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re: #38 Ben Hur

" I almost didn't say anything because I didn't want to be called a racist"

Dude who turned in the Fort Dix 6.

I'm just replying because it bears reading again.

re: #39 Sizzlack

no half respectabe judge would ever rule in favor of CAIR
the day we see something like that....we're in trouble

You do realize that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a Supreme Court Justice, was the ACLU's head of abortion rights law before she became a judge.

Never heard of the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals?

Do you know how many judges Jimmy Carter put on the bench who haven't died yet?

Figured they wouldn't back down for any reason - including some silly, pointless little John Doe statute. Could have a silver lining, as long as the defendents can obtain legal representation paid for by donations. We could then look forward to the information that comes out during discovery. The more the wider audience sees CAIR for what it really is, the more the uninformed will come to understand Islam and hopefully we will be better off for it.
At some point, the evidence of truth of CAIR's objectives should be overwhelming and their tactics and taqiyya will eventually fail to persuade, and CAIR too will fail.
One can only hope.

Is there anything in legislation about tackling a dummy, putting him into a full nelson and then hog tying him until proper authorities can be contacted?
/in say 2 or 3 hours.

I'm sure its just a mistake, but I just got deleted for quoting and responding to #22, and number #22 hasn't been deleted.

Hmmmmmm.....

Not to repeat #22, but Ibrahim Hooper is probably a US born revert to Islam.

re: #32 Dave the.....

Pssst, CAIR. This is a no-win situation here. The people, even liberals, support this law and the reporting of suspicious behavior at airports.

That's just it- they posted this video themselves. And this isn't the first time they've failed to realize their videos, in reality, make them look terrible.

But doogie said it- they plan to keep going with this route. We'd be wise to take them at their word on that.

CAIR will be lucky if they only get sued when the shit hits the fan

Black college slams UK boycott against Israel

The president of one of America's best known African-American colleges has added her voice to the chorus of condemnations coming from the US of the academic boycott against Israel being waged by Britain's main academic union, the University College Union (UCU).

In a letter sent this week to an American-Jewish leader, Marvalene Hughes said: "It has come to my attention that an effort is underway to boycott Israeli academics. We find such efforts antithetical to the values of academic freedom and civility. Dillard University is an historical Black University that unequivocally detests the effort to silence, isolate, discount and ignore academic values of free expression and open discourse."

Hughes's letter was addressed to Rabbi Marc Schneier, President of The Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, who responded by saying: "We are encouraged by President Hughes' strong, principled position, similar to the one taken recently by Columbia University's President. We are certain that the ideologues behind this effort in the UK will think twice about their totally unacceptable initiative when they see where mainstream America, represented by Dillard University and others, stand on this issue."

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Where is Caliph Hooper's Mooslim hat?

I guess CAIR can shorten their name to CIR now, since they don't seem to quite grasp the concept behind the word American.

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Today, all the good guys are Sparticus.

These muslims INTIMIDATE! They are cowards. They do NOT "do." If they can scare ya, you might as well stock up on Depends. And, change your undies as often as needed.

But this "suit" isn't going to go anywhere, soon. Not with the Net! Not with the ways information travels on the Net! And, not with good blogs. Who know how to "touch" good lawyers, when needed.

Because this "John Doe" threat ain't the only threat in town.

A good idea when someone threatens to sue you is to shrug. Choice "B" is to laugh.

Just because someone has small change, and is willing to spend time filling out the paperwork; and making some dumb attorney rich. You should remember this: In LAW, like in MEDICINE, quality counts.

IF CAIR went ahead and threatened they'd only use the British Health Care system, I'd laugh, too.

It's not a threat, folks. It's just the odd behaviors that we're getting now, from Muslims, that we used to get from the ruskies.

And, who knows? With all the attention paid these days to lousy lawyers (where Drudge has a red headline up that Nifong apologized and admitted there were NO CRIMES in the Lacrosse case), you're given HOPE.

Nifong used the Media. CAIR uses the media.

We use the Internet. And, if I saw suspicious behaviors I'd TELL! You'd be surprised. You're probably going to be in a familiar environment. While the turkeys committing the crimes? Flew in on a Saudi visa. I'd even keep my eyeballs on a burka covered moving tank if need be.

discovery will become interesting

Please! More, just in time for the elections!

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These guys need to be tied up in litigation & counter suits.
There are groups like the Thomas Moore Foundation that would represent those that feel that they have been damaged by this group, pro bono.
You would not have to work hard to come up with viable legal theories.
Fire with more fire

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Sue my colossal metal ass.

re: #51 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Do you know how many judges Jimmy Carter put on the bench who haven't died yet?

they gotta be gettin up there in age at least

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CAIR's new melody: "The Waltz in Suing Time."

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Will Mr. Hooper be going in for his anal-cephalectomy procedure anytime soon?

re: #21 EC Marm

Tucker Carlson was actually quite good.

Tucker's dad is Richard Carlson, a former ambassador and one for the founders of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, which was formed after 9/11.

I had dinner with Richard once (at an FDD thing - I got to sit next to him) and he is a class act. The guy is sharp and well connected, so Tucker's background is that of knowing the Washington scene and having endured quite a bit of BS.

Tucker is against the war in Iraq and was since the beginning, but has said that if it succeeds it will have been one of the boldest initiatives in American history and Bush will be regarded as one of the great presidents.

Anyway, there is some depth to the guy and he can surprise people with his views, which is refreshing. And he sees Islamists for what they are.

It seems to me that the only way they can prove "bad faith" (i.e. "racial or religious profiling") was if there were no actions by the accused to warrant a John Doe from making a phone call. Since there were in this case, shouldn't the judge throw their suit out? Are there any other ways to prove or disprove "Good Faith"?

/not a lawyer
//don't even play one on TV

Question: Is racial and/or religious profiling illegal? I know it's a "no-no" but is it illegal?

This is an interesting loophole. The John Doe amendment is worthless if they can sue anyways.

Wrong.

ALL immunity laws (for instance, for reporting suspected child abuse) have a "good faith" provision. It's not a "loophole." It means that someone reporting suspicious behavior in good faith cannot be punished just for reporting.

Sued? Sure. Sued successfully? No. That's the point.

And what happens in suits? We saw it in Boston. The plaintiff (CAIR) is subject to discovery, which means they have to answer a lot of questions they don't want to answer.

What happens then? They drop the suit. AFTER they're suitably embarrassed, maybe even damaged PR-wise.

If you didn't have a "good faith" clause, you'd have vengeance-motivated and intimidation-motivated legal activity.

re: #49 Iron Fist

re: #35 bosforus,

I would report anything I saw that was suspicious. I might very well make my report anonymously, though. There's no percentage in making myself vulnerable to a lawsuit from the likes of CAIR.

As I said before here, I stood all of 15 feet from one of the Ft. Dix Six that worked at a 7-11 less than 2,000 feet from where my daughter and her sons used to live. I saw him standing outside of the store, yelling into his cell phone in Arabic (maybe, I can't say for certain). When he noticed me staring him down he got into his Mercedes and rolled the windows up. I'm not a rascist; besides which islam is not a race. But I do know evil when I see it. There was nothing I could have reported to police, except a hunch, which would have been based on thousands of hours of research and viewing of jihadist videos. I doubt that my hunch would stand up in court. So we appear to be back to square one, again. Bet your house on a hunch?

Ibrahim Hooper: "Don't worry, one day you can have a Muslim-free flight".

What an asshole he is. I don't normally talk like that, but he is, and it fits.

CAIR has zero credibility. They are the enemy.

Wow. Tucker destroyed him. Everyone should see this clip. No idea why CAIR is spreading this.

Like I said the other day

#93 easy 7/25/2007 8:40:24 am PDT reply quote

the ‘John Doe’ amendment to protect Americans against lawsuits if they report suspicious behavior has been saved.

Better watch them, they are verwy, verwy twiky.

When Malkin announced the resurrection of John Doe protection on her blog, I mentioned that I wouldn't be cheering till I saw the catch.

"Good faith" loophole: bingo.

Close it, and can we finally send all these CAIR vermin to Gitmo?

cair is REALLY going to look like a bunch of terrorists when they start suing decent people for just trying to protect themselves and their neighbors.

i don't think cair really understands us. they're in for a surprise, imo.

"#13 Ginn 7/26/2007 10:01:25 am PDT reply quote

:Know Voir Dire:

I can get us through Jury Selection.

No sweat!"

"Madam, are you the infamous 'Ginn' of Little Green Footballs?

' No sir"

re: #84 Eri

Wow. Tucker destroyed him. Everyone should see this clip. No idea why CAIR is spreading this.

CAIR is spreading this because they want people to know they're going to get sued if they report suspicious behavior. Carlson did destroy Hooper, but to CAIR it doesn't matter. The important thing is to get the intimidation message out there.

I know we've got it bad over here in Blighty, but with first class scum, truly evil scum, like Hooper about I'm dreadfully pessimistic about America's future too.

Particularly as he seems to have most of the Democrats on board (apart from Lieberman, but he drinks babies' blood, harvests organs, is in charge of the federal reserve and controls the media, so he's too busy for all that...)

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Customs officer Jose Melendez-Perez stopped the 20th terrorist, who was supposed to be on Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. Probably because of the shorthanded muscle on that team, the passengers were able to overcome the terrorists.

Let me repeat that as well.

Probably because of the shorthanded muscle on that team, the passengers were able to overcome the terrorists.

Did intimadation almost prevent him from doing this good deed?

Yes.

Not direct threat of lawsuit by CAIR, no. Instead an overall PC culture, government policy, and peer pressure from his already intimidated co-workers.

Melendez-Perez did this at great personal risk, because his colleagues and his supervisors told him, "You can't do this. This guy is an Arab ethnic.

But he did it, thank God.

"You can't do this. This guy is an Arab ethnic. You're racially profiling. You're going to get in real trouble, because it's against Department of Transportation policy to racially profile." He said, "I don't care. This guy's a bad guy. I can see it in his eyes." As he sent this guy back out of the United States, the guy turned around to him and said, "I'll be back."

He saved lives by acting, even in the face of threats of "real trouble."

It is one thing to stop people only for being Arab. No one is arguing for that here.

But these threatened lawsuits causes a mirror-image injustice (where because of the person's group, one will NOT question suspicious actions) and the second injustice is the greater evil, since it can result in more than hurt feelings, but in death.

um...what I meant to say was...you can threaten to sue me but I will not be silent.

Hey, I like these spiffy new formatting buttons!

Look - CAIR can sue anyone for anything at anytime.

All they have to do is file a suit. That is it. A lawsuit.

What matters is whether the case is thrown out immediately or not. They have to show a judge that they have a case where they can demonstrate bad faith. They can't go fishing - trying to get the court to order disclosure of an identity of an informant simply to then see if any bad faith exists. They have to have some evidence showing basis for a claim, or it gets thrown out.

But in CAIRs case, that doesn't matter. They will sue and sue and sue again, each time getting publicity and getting ignorant people to think that they will "get sued anyway" if they inform.

That is how intimidation works in the courts, and you have to really abuse the filing of suits to get slapped around by a judge or disbarred.

re: #81 nonic

If you didn't have a "good faith" clause, you'd have vengeance-motivated and intimidation-motivated legal activity.

True. But frankly, too goddamned bad. This isn't like any other reporting issue, this is a weapon in the war against Islamist infiltrators. There needs to be no way that the enemy (CAIR) can counter that weapon.

Close the loophole.

re: #69 opnion

These guys need to be tied up in litigation & counter suits.
There are groups like the Thomas Moore Foundation that would represent those that feel that they have been damaged by this group, pro bono.
You would not have to work hard to come up with viable legal theories.
Fire with more fire

I don't know that the Thomas More Society would take this up, since they typically take religious liberty cases. I have a lawyer friend who was a TMS member; he's now gone back to school, to learn more Catholic theology, so that he can teach it at a university (at some place like Ave Maria).

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Why does CAIR insist on suing the John Does?

The flying Imams were actually acting very suspiciously and were deliberately doing everything that the flying public were warned to watch out for.

That they were proved wrong is another issue. The public does not know that there was just a major peaceful Islamic meeting and that they are testing the watchfulness of the American people.

Note that one Arabic speaking flyer (I assume he was an Arab too) reported what he was hearing and was concerned.

I think many are unaware of the discovery mode of a lawsuit. Hooper was pretending that a lawsuit was the only way to determine good faith while counting on the general publics ignorance of the discovery phase. Many posters here have the right attitude about doing it anyway. Obviously, also, reporting could be anonymous on a pay phone or in person. Additionally, the jihaadists may do more dry runs to try to get people to report and sue, or to find out if they have been discouraged from reporting. Of course, it won't look good if they are suing hundreds of people all over the country. The interviewer was concerned that people would not report for fear of taking the time and money to hire a lawyer. Since there have been, and are unlikely to be, no cases of abuse of this kind of thing, I don't know how successful CAIR et al are going to be.

89 Charles

The important thing is to get the intimidation message out there.

Right on, Lizardmaster !

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And this POS gets airtime because?

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the "intimidation message" is so annoying. but sometimes that message can have the opposite effect: it can inspire and incite people to push back and some people will.

re: #89 Charles

re: #84 Eri

Wow. Tucker destroyed him. Everyone should see this clip. No idea why CAIR is spreading this.

CAIR is spreading this because they want people to know they're going to get sued if they report suspicious behavior. Carlson did destroy Hooper, but to CAIR it doesn't matter. The important thing is to get the intimidation message out there.

if i am not mistaken, they do obtain a very large amount of money outside of this country, from other countries wanting a stake at corrupting our form of government.

Having a medical background, I naturally avoid anything legal.

Would the funding, influence, and things as such have any relevance if they did bring a case against a John Doe?

re: #89 Charles

re: #84 Eri

Wow. Tucker destroyed him. Everyone should see this clip. No idea why CAIR is spreading this.

CAIR is spreading this because they want people to know they're going to get sued if they report suspicious behavior. Carlson did destroy Hooper, but to CAIR it doesn't matter. The important thing is to get the intimidation message out there.

Touché. But while they no doubt wish to use it to intimidate, this kind of MO can only backfire. The public will increasingly see CAIR for what it truly is, and as we all know, that can't be good for the likes of Hooper.

re: #103 swhitebull

re: #48 Ben Hur

{realwest!}

Thanks! :-)

The "good faith" loophole is on the part of the accusers...ie, CAIR is literally going to accuse the passengers of not acting in good faith. It seems to me that CAIR's sole purpose is to identify these people and drag their names through the media mud. This will also open those people up to threats and jihad on the part of the terrorists already in our midst. CAIR is functioning as a spotter for the jihadis.

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re: #39 Sizzlack

no half respectabe judge would ever rule in favor of CAIR
the day we see something like that....we're in trouble

Do you know how many less-than-half respectable judges there are out there?

I will report suspicious activity - no matter the cost. I owe that to my fellow citizens. But what ever happened to the word "justice?" I have such little faith in our own American legal system it is laughable. We allow law abiding citizens to be bullied and harassed while allowing thugs to walk. The threat of law suits silences the majority who refuse to speak up at the risk of exposure.

It is getting more and more difficult for me to control my urge to "take things into my own hands." The world should thank my wonderful wife who continues to reign me in because I for one have had about enough of this shit.

I think Mr. Carlson pwned Faux Imam Hooper on this one. Quite convincingly I might add.

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nonic,

Thank you, too! So, is racial/religious profiling illegal?

Is there a remedy on the books if one does it?

re: #119 littleoldlady

nonic,

Thank you, too! So, is racial/religious profiling illegal?

Is there a remedy on the books if one does it?

For private citizens, I mean.

I like Tucker, I think he is doing a good job fighting the good fight, But I am starting to ask myself why his show is the only one this crackpot Hooper shows up on.

Do they see him as a pushover?

Thank you Charles for deleting #65.
The trolls come here to post tasteless comments that can be quoted as evidence against LGF.

Important question that Tucker did not ask Hooper: "Was the behavior suspicious?"

That's what the court must determine before piercing the Does' veil of anonymity. (Although, the "underlying crime" premise didn't seem to protect Scooter Libby.)

Anyhoo, I would love to see Ibby defend that the behavior wasn't suspicious, which can only be done in a conversation that includes listing all of the suspicious behavior. He can't admit the behavior wasn't suspicious, because there goes the good faith "loophole."

And by the way, can someone explain why the video can't be reposted to YouTube by someone that chooses NOT to turn off comments?

Oooh, threats now is it?

Baaaad move CAIR... the public backlash against you for this little song and dance is going to be severe. And the countersuits are going to cost you millions.

I foresee a huge and extremely painful legal asswhupping for CAIR in the form of counter-suits, and litigation for slander and harassement.

Know this, CAIRtards: Americans may tend to be somewhat apathetic about national security, but all Americans are motivated by money and very possessive about their own. When you go down to street level and threaten to rob their wallets and savage their lives and livelihoods, you're going to find out very swiftly where Americans draw the line. They a