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 RetweetDaily Kos: The United States Needs to Be Invaded and Occupied

Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:21:38 am PDT

How much do the lunatics at Daily Kos hate their own country? So much that a diary posted yesterday actually argues that The United States needs to be invaded - not just invaded - occupied.

Because, according to the Daily Kos diarist, being invaded, slaughtered, and occupied is the only way we’ll become a nation of compassionate pacifists.

As a nation the United States no longer has the remotest idea about what it really feels like to be part of a war zone. Americans have lost the empathy that is necessary to make an informed, meaningful, compassionate decision about whether or not war should be waged. While candidates fight over who has the required experience to properly oversee our republic’s international interests, none realize that none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders. While they may claim to know when to wage wars and to know the horrors of war, they only know them intellectually. They can’t claim that they have emotionally felt them. No one who was born and raised in the United States can claim that and none can really feel it. We have allowed a Congress and an administration to encourage hate and to hi-jack our compassion. In fact, as a nation we have lost our compassion.

Unfortunately, America is at a point that to be able to really feel again, to regain that compassion, it needs to be invaded and occupied in the same way that we have invaded and occupied Iraq. Then there might be a greater chance that Americans will be more reluctant to accept the invasion of another country. Maybe seeing and feeling the same level of destruction that we have inflicted on Iraq, at least the American public will understand why invading another country is unconscionable except in the most dire circumstances - which means after that country has directly attacked the United States. And that has not happened since World War II.

(Hat tip: SavannahWinslow.)

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1 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:22:31am

wtf?

2 moderatewolverine  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:23:20am

Wow, the Kos Kooks really are just out of their minds. How can you function so far out of reality?

3 mbruce  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:23:25am

Ok, I think it is OK to question their patriotism now.
Insane, they would be the first to be lined up and shot should that ever happen.
Feel that compassion leftard.

4 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:23:54am

and what country should invade us?

5 galloping granny  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:24:03am

There are no words for such idiocy. I hope the author stands first in line to subject his property and family to the terrors of war he claims that we have all forgotten.

/Has the idiot forgotten the millions of refugees from wars elsewhere who now call the United States of America home?

6 Alouette  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:24:34am

They think they are the elites, and which ever nation occupies the US (China? Cuba? Aztlan?) will recognize that and make them the overlords.

7 jcm  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:24:43am

Hey, Doofus, it the rightwingunutneoconfacists who have the guns, we'd end up in control...

you really want that?

/

8 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:25:24am

Can the invaders set up their HQ in your momma's basement, professorfate, or will that disturb your PacMan tournaments?

9 realwest  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:25:38am

What a bunch of effin' maroons. They'd be the FIRST TO GO TO THE GAS CHAMBERS if we were successfully invaded and occupied (and by whom, I would ask? Who has the military muscle to do that?
Answer: NO ONE.

10 Ash_  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:25:38am

How on Earth can these Kos Kiddies breath and think at the same time? Or can they only breathe or think? Because that would explain a lot.

11 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:26:15am

Do they realize the Kos Kidz will be the first led to slaughter?

12 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:26:38am

I hear Al Queda in Iraq is still looking for recruits.
Maybe this diarist ought to volunteer.

To address the thin gruel of his post, the Iraqis *WANT* the US military to be there. So why should we leave?

13 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:26:45am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

I am kinda hoping for Sweden.

14 daughter of patriots  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:26:55am

Can we question their patriotism, now?

15 mikeymom  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:27:21am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

hmmm- i vote for iceland-they are pretty fierce there,aren't they?

16 Bubblehead II  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:27:21am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

Mexico. It's already happening, The invasion, the war torn streets, the destruction of entire neighborhoods, ect.

17 JamesTKirk  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:27:37am

Can we start with Berkeley?

18 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:27:59am

Even the commenters on the article think that guy's crazy.

19 vtsurgeon  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:02am

Somehow, I just do not believe that invasion and occupation would strengthen the pacifist side of my personality.

I just cannot think like these guys.

20 JamesTKirk  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:06am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

A UN-sponsored multi-national force.

21 Tumulus11  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:26am
'While candidates fight over who has the required experience to properly oversee our republic’s international interests, none realize that none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders.'

. And none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders because ...

... they're witches.
// Loons

22 gman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:35am

If the Kos Kids want to feel what it's like to be invaded and occupied, let's give them free tickets to the "Magic Kingdom." Their privacy will be invaded time and time again and their backs will be occupied by numerous scars from the lashings they receive for just trying to be human.

23 Idle Drifter  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:39am

America will never be invaded and occupied like Iraq. No invader would show restraint with civilians in the fire zone, no invader would give medical and food to the local populace, no invader would try to keep power up for the local populace, no invader would think twice about leveling whole towns with artillery, and no invader would spend money to rebuild America.

But then again 80 million Americans with +200 small arms alone would be a major headache to any invading armies.

24 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:43am

They may want to start exercising editorial control over there along with a 24-hour cooling off period.

This way when the Kos Kidz sober up they might realize the strange things they do when they drink too much and pop ecstasy.

25 JamesTKirk  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:43am

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Do they realize the Kos Kidz will be the first led to slaughter?

They'll collaborate and sell the rest of us out. Very nuanced. Very French.

26 Ma Sands  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:52am

"...being invaded, slaughtered, and occupied is the only way..." etc., etc. --sounds very much like a certain group's assessment of Israel...

27 Alouette  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:06am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

How about Israel?

28 Sir Napsalot  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:10am

Whew, how can anybody wade through that X*^& hole to get at this gem?

29 selpaw  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:15am
The United States needs to be invaded - not just invaded - occupied.

Equally as stupid

You know I could expect that hate for America from the scourge at the bowels of humanity @ Kos, but the US ambassador to Israel?

30 galloping granny  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:16am

re: #17 JamesTKirk

Can we start with Berkeley?

As far as I am concerned, anyone who wants Berkeley is welcome to it. Glad to hand it over. Might even pay somebody to take it. What a waste of oxygen that crew is. They spout enough hot air to be responsible for "global warming" all by themselves!

31 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:16am

A nation of cowering slaves?

Oh, he said "compassionate pacifists".

Like the Tibetins?

Oh, wait a minute, they don't have a country.

32 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:21am

I feel sorry for the Lizards pulling time in the Kos swamp...

/Do they get paid time and a half in their zionazi checks?

33 jcm  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:29am

re: #20 JamesTKirk

A UN-sponsored multi-national force.

Put a sign on a house; "Little Girls, Little Boys Here" we'd capture 'em all with their pants down. Literally.

34 SaracensAtTheGates  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:41am

What was 9/11, if not an invasion of a foreign commandos whose targets were civilians?

35 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:29:43am

/what does obama think about this?

36 BulgarWheat  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:01am

If I'm reading this right, and I think I am, the Kosling is asking for someone else to come here and do the heavy lifting that he knows he's incapable of doing.

Typical libtard. Asking someone else to do or provide what they themselves are unwilling to do.

/wonder how that'd play out down here in the well-armed South?

37 galloping granny  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:02am

re: #20 JamesTKirk

A UN-sponsored multi-national force.

That won't do. We PAY for most of that. I'm not giving one tax dime for anyone to invade us anywhere - well, except Berkeley. They can have that.

38 Charles  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:06am

re: #18 laZardo

Even the commenters on the article think that guy's crazy.

Not all of them. Looks it's running about 50/50 for/against.

39 Spiny Norman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:13am

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Do they realize the Kos Kidz will be the first led to slaughter?

They will welcome the invader in their cheering throngs and won't understand why they're being arrested en masse.

But, but... we're on YOUR side!

They're called useful idiots for a reason.

40 Sol Roth  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:16am

Gee, The Daily Marxist advocates invasion of the USA by its enemies, the killing of Americans in their own homes.

Ho-hum. It's just another day for the Left.

41 BrianA  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:18am

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Do they realize the Kos Kidz will be the first led to slaughter?

Exactly!

42 vapig  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:30:35am

Happy St Patricks Day, everybody!

43 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:31:11am

re: #42 vapig

Happy St Patricks Day, everybody!

that's it! we need more Irish!

44 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:31:29am

re: #15 mikeymom

hmmm- i vote for iceland-they are pretty fierce there,aren't they?

I've been there. They're pretty nice as far as I can tell.

They have a miniscule Navy and a Coast guard, but I'm pretty sure they don't even HAVE a conventional army (in the sense of infantry).

45 TalkinKamel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:32:11am

They hate this country very much. They are, at heart, traitors. And strutting little Stormtroopers like this Professorfate dream of the day they can seize power, and punish all those evil people who oppose them---you know, gulags, concentration camps, mass executions---serve 'em right! That'll teach those evil Americans some compassion and empathy! (And make professorfate a very happy man, as he gets to be the all-powerful commissar he always wanted to be.)

46 .45ACP  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:32:23am
none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders

call me wacky, but I consider that a big plus for living here.

47 Ma Sands  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:32:27am

re: #43 phoenixgirl

(I'm one-fourth Irish...with kings & queens in my ancestry... :)

48 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:32:43am

re: #38 Charles

*gasp* Charles responded to me! *swoon*

"shpilk's" little picture was the highlight of the whole article...

49 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:33:01am

re: #38 Charles

Not all of them. Looks it's running about 50/50 for/against.

So only half of them are completely deranged. What would you call the other half - partially deranged?

50 zmdavid  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:33:08am
it needs to be invaded and occupied in the same way that we have invaded and occupied Iraq.


We need someone to come, kill all the violent terrorists in our country and rebuild our infrastructure at no cost to us?
I'm all for it.

51 ergo sum  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:33:11am

Ha HA, My family is being raped and tortured...na na na na na na...you righties you...So there!

/moonbat off

52 jcm  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:33:15am

OT

Heather Mills get 50 mil of Sir Pauls loot.

I guess we know the answer to "Will you love me when I'm 64..."

53 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:33:20am

re: #42 vapig

Happy St Patricks Day, everybody!

Big corned beef is ripping us off!

54 Spiny Norman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:33:33am

re: #16 Bubblehead II

Mexico. It's already happening, The invasion, the war torn streets, the destruction of entire neighborhoods, ect.

Careful there, you don't want Geraldo Rivera to spit on you.

55 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:34:20am

Pardon, but isn't calling for the violent overthrow of the government treason? But then again, what else should we expect from these guys but treason and sedition. Per a recent case involving Craigslist, the site is not responsible per se for the content posted by people other than the ones running the site, however, it would do well for that poster to get a knock on the door from the FBI and be taken in for a while for questioning.

56 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:34:36am

have you forgotten?

i know, kos kids remember, they just don't care

57 Alouette  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:34:38am

Lunch time. I have leftover pancake batter from yesterday's "St. Pancake Day" feast.

58 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:34:58am

By kos reasoning communist Russia should have been a nation of pacifist after WWII.

59 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:35:39am

re: #52 jcm

OT

Heather Mills get 50 mil of Sir Pauls loot.

I guess we know the answer to "Will you love me when I'm 64..."

Check the spinoffs for my $0.02.

Crazy money.

60 TalkinKamel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:35:41am

I'm afraid they're coming up with a way to rationalize protecting, and sheltering, terrorist cells in this country, and encouraging homicide bombings; setting the philosophical ground work, so to speak.

61 Rain Patriot  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:35:58am

I guess this must be what all that U.N. money is supposed to be going towards...

62 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:07am

re: #44 looking closely

Do they really need more --who would invade Iceland?

63 Persian Shoe  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:17am

Lock and load.

Interesting timing for the article. The Supreme Court hears argument on the 2nd amendment this week. The right to bear arms.

Maybe an alternative motive. Naw, their to friggin in love with themselves to think that far ahead.

64 jcm  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:19am

OT.

WA State legistature asked the AG to investigate for gas price fixing.

Conclusons:
Supply.
Refining capacity.
Taxes.

I could have told 'em that for a fraction of the cost.

65 six-gun-neo-con  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:36am

Posts like that at "Kos" is what you get when a person from the third world comes to the US and starts an anti-US blog...

66 swabbie41  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:45am

I don't think Kos Kids like this one should be disparaged in any way. These people are brazingly starting to show the idealogies and mindsets that we (those that still love our country) know that they have. They have a complete contempt for the U.S. and all that she stands for. The more these kooks post, the more apparent that becomes to everyone - and the harder it becomes, even for those that lean left, to make excuses for these ilk.

67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:46am

We don't know what it's like to be in a war zone, prick? There were war zones in lower Manhattan, the Pentagon and over the skies of Pennsylvania on 9/11/01. Just don't question their patriotism.
/SPIT

68 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:36:51am
at least the American public will understand why invading another country is unconscionable except in the most dire circumstances - which means after that country has directly attacked the United States. And that has not happened since World War II.

Funny, I seem to recall a spot of unpleasantness on September 11, 2001.

I spit on the scumbag who wrote this article, and strongly sugget that he or she sign up with AQ in Iraq and try to lead an assault on a US Marine firebase. Good luck with that, asshole.

69 vapig  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:04am
#16 Bubblehead II 3/17/08 8:27:21 am reply quote report 0

re: #4 phoenixgirl

Mexico. It's already happening, The invasion, the war torn streets, the destruction of entire neighborhoods, ect.

Oh, I agree! The sneaky invasion. What would have been the response of a 20+million ARMED force at our border?

But a trickle invasion of a few thousand here, a few thousand there - on and on for 20 years. Suddenly, you can go a whole day without hearing a word of English, all the signs everywhere are bi-lingual, hospitals are closing down, schools aren't teaching anything because no one speaks English and the response to this? Nothing!he

70 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:05am

re: #64 jcm

OT.

WA State legistature asked the AG to investigate for gas price fixing.

Conclusons:
Supply.
Refining capacity.
Taxes.

I could have told 'em that for a fraction of the cost.

Same nonsense every time there's a price spike. They never learn.

71 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:06am

re: #20 JamesTKirk

The dreaded blue helmets.

72 winston06  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:06am

Draft the KKKidz and send them to front-line for combat duty...

73 saberry0530  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:07am

re: #52 jcm

OT

Heather Mills get 50 mil of Sir Pauls loot.

I guess we know the answer to "Will you love me when I'm 64..."


So I believe that he paid more than Spitzer then. Something like 64K each encounter.

74 jcm  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:29am

re: #59 JammieWearingFool

Shit... Coffee all over my damn cube.

75 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:31am

Rape me, Rape my friend
Rape me, Rape me again

76 Idle Drifter  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:32am
77 samsgran1948  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:48am

re: #30 galloping granny

As far as I am concerned, anyone who wants Berkeley is welcome to it. Glad to hand it over. Might even pay somebody to take it. What a waste of oxygen that crew is. They spout enough hot air to be responsible for "global warming" all by themselves!

But you need to make sure that the People's Republic of San Francisco is included with Berkeley.

78 bbuck  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:37:52am

One thing that really sticks out in this excerpt is the tacit admission that America is not run by an evil dictator who terrorizes private citizens for maniacal pleasure, as the hard left have been declaring to anyone stupid enough to believe them.

The fact that this writer wants America invaded and occupied to teach us a lesson is exactly the kind of frivolity of thought not afforded to those living under a real dictator.

Under a real dictator, you probably worry more about not being shoved into an oven, or having your head chopped off, or being thrown off a rooftop, or tossed into a shredder.

Invasion as a means of teaching a lesson is something left to child-philosophers.

79 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:08am

Oh,

Good Morning Lizards! It's dreary in my parts of Chicagoland this morning.

How are you-all this morning?

80 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:13am

re: #58 bulwrk

By kos reasoning communist Russia should have been a nation of pacifist after WWII.

"Oh, but they were! The USSR was a wonderful, humanitarian nation, which only used force - very grudingly - to respond to US imperialism."

81 victor_yugo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:18am

The children of red-diaper babies, weaned on totalitarian milk.

82 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:33am

Apparently, the United States has been invaded . . . by leftist freaks.

83 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:46am

re: #46 .45ACP

none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders

call me wacky, but I consider that a big plus for living here.


Of course, but that's a bit besides the point.

The REASON we haven't been invaded, and occupied is in no small part because of the formidable military we have, and our demonstrated willingness to use it, NOT just to help ourselves, but to help others.

This schmuck thinks that tossing out a fascist mass-murderer like Saddam Hussein is a BAD thing, and replacing it with a democratically elected gov't is even worse.

84 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:52am

re: #63 Persian Shoe

Yes, my first thought this morning.

DC vs. Heller.

85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:56am

re: #55 Shr_Nfr

Pardon, but isn't calling for the violent overthrow of the
government treason? But then again, what else should we expect from
these guys but treason and sedition. Per a recent case involving
Craigslist, the site is not responsible per se for the content posted
by people other than the ones running the site, however, it would do
well for that poster to get a knock on the door from the FBI and be
taken in for a while for questioning.

Dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism, as many a bumper sticker in my neighborhood reminds me. Treason is the ultimate form of dissent, therefore, being a traitor is being a patriot.

86 gman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:38:57am

The author is a masochist.

author's motto in a nutshell:

Pwn Me

87 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:09am

I dunno, maybe he/she/it's not all wrong. An invasion of some blue states, might turn them red.

Pacifist? Like our invasion of Iraq has turned them all pacifist? Yeah right.

88 3 wood  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:17am

At first glance, I thought it was another quote from Obama's spiritual leader.

89 amphibian  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:21am
Unfortunately, America is at a point that to be able to really feel again, to regain that compassion, it needs to be invaded and occupied in the same way that we have invaded and occupied Iraq. Then there might be a greater chance that Americans will be more reluctant to accept the invasion of another country.

Wow. Just wow. There's a lot to be said in response to this kosling's spewage (somewhat less to be said, that is suitable for mixed company). But these two sentences stand on their own in utter stupidity.

Clue for the clue-deprived: when war does its worst to your country, you are no longer in a position to show compassion, because you no longer have the ability to do harm. Your ability to wage war has been smashed, along with your infrastructure. That the US, in occupying Iraq, has actually been trying to pull it out of the third-world shithole status that it enjoyed under Saddam, is actually an anomaly. If the US were invaded and occupied as you say, it would not be for the purpose of imposing a Marshall Plan before the old government is even out!

Oh, and your parents would probably have to cut your allowance.

90 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:21am

re: #2 moderatewolverine

Wow, the Kos Kooks really are just out of their minds. How can you function so far out of reality?

To be out of their minds implies they HAVE minds.
Fuckin' morons are traitors and should be summarilly executed!

91 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:30am

re: #38 Charles

Not all of them. Looks it's running about 50/50 for/against.

And that's the sad part about those Kinky, Krazy, Kos Kiddies. Enough of them are so anti-American that they'd root for anything that hurts America. This is the kooky left that the Democrat party has cultivated fro so long. I guess they are reaping what they sowed.

92 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:38am

re: #20 JamesTKirk

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?
A UN-sponsored multi-national force.

It's clear that you're just a paid shill for the US domestic prostitution industry!

93 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:38am

re: #73 saberry0530

He'd better start counting then...

94 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:39:39am

How.

Very.

Sad.


& if I replied to that drivel with what I really think I would be deleted.

95 Rain Patriot  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:30am

re: #71 bulwrk

The dreaded blue helmets.

Oh... that would be an...

Amusing faceoff.

96 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:44am

re: #75 itellu3times

Rape me, Rape my friend
Rape me, Rape me again

Dang, that's not right, is it? Posted lyrics generally have errors, to show where people copy them from.

Rape me, Rape me, my friend
Rape me, Rape me again.

/nirvana

97 TalkinKamel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:46am

The Kos Kid who wrote this is a chickenhawk revolutionary!

If they really want to fight the bad ol' USA, he or she should go sign up with Al Queda! Don't be a phony Dude! (or Dudette), don't just talk the talk, walk the walk! Go out and fight some American soldiers in Iraq! (And see how far you get with that. . . )

98 victor_yugo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:47am

re: #85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism, as many a bumper sticker in my neighborhood reminds me. Treason is the ultimate form of dissent, therefore, being a traitor is being a patriot.

New bumper sticker:

TREASON IS NOT FREE SPEECH

99 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:51am

re: #77 samsgran1948

But you need to make sure that the People's Republic of San Francisco is included with Berkeley.

I hope to move back to San Francisco someday...

/viva la (real) Resistance!

100 Spiny Norman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:53am

This is hilarious:

Unfortunately, America is at a point that to be able to really feel again, to regain that compassion, it needs to be invaded and occupied in the same way that we have invaded and occupied Iraq. Then there might be a greater chance that Americans will be more reluctant to accept the invasion of another country. Maybe seeing and feeling the same level of destruction that we have inflicted on Iraq, at least the American public will understand why invading another country is unconscionable except in the most dire circumstances - which means after that country has directly attacked the United States. And that has not happened since World War II.

Someone needs to inform this dope smoker that "compassion" was the last thing on anyone's mind after we were attacked in WWII. And would also be the last thing on anyone's mind should his masturbation fantasy "invasion and occupation" actually occur.

Whatafuckingidiot.

101 Rancher  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:40:59am
It has been almost a hundred-fifty years since the United States has fought a war on its own soil, and in that one America invaded and fought itself. It only took one incredibly destructive Civil War to make the United States realize that - oh well - this is really not an activity in which one wants to engage in one’s homeland - better to do it in someone else’s country.

Uhm, yes!

102 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:41:13am
America is at a point that to be able to really feel again

A nation of emos! Now there's a goal.

103 Colo Dave  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:41:19am

Just looking at a world map, something comes to mind here. I notice that those countries that have faced the most "war" and "occupation" in recent history tend to also be the most likely to go to war themselves. It's nations like Western Europe and North America that haven't seen the ravages of war for a generation or more that tend to be the most dovish. Once again the Kos Kiddies can't seem to get anything right.

104 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:41:32am

re: #76 Idle Drifter

Flogging Molly - Drunken Lullabies

love flogging molly rebels of the Sacred Heart

105 pocomoco  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:41:40am

The United States needs to be invaded - not just invaded - occupied.

Not too worry, the Democrats are heading us in that direction now.

106 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:41:45am

I question this individual's patriotism.

107 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:42:13am

Contrary to the Kos Klowns, we know quite vividly what it is like to be invaded and to watch thousands of our fellow citizens brutally slaughtered.

How soon they forget 9/11...

108 Sunlight  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:42:21am

Even according to their posted logic, McCain knows what it's like to be on the sh#*$ end of the stick under a marxist communist govt ... They'll just have to vote for McCain.
/anything to prevent a dem

109 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:42:26am

re: #85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism, as many a bumper sticker in my neighborhood reminds me. Treason is the ultimate form of dissent, therefore, being a traitor is being a patriot.

How Orwellian.

Treason is Patriotism.
War is Peace.
1+1=3.

110 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:42:28am

The obama double standard:
Imagine in 1999, that a videotape had come to light showing the pastor of Texas Gov. George W. Bush's church making vicious, hateful comments about America and cruel, racist statements about Americans of color.

Suppose this preacher had given a lifetime achievement award to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, and had traveled to Europe with Duke to meet with neo-Nazi terrorists.

Now try to envision that the candidate's family had attended this church for more than twenty years, that George and Laura Bush had been married there, by this pastor, and that the Bush daughters had been baptized by him.

Picture George Bush titling his autobiography after a phrase in one of this minister's sermons, writing that the man was his mentor, and then putting him on the presidential campaign staff as a trusted advisor and confidant.

Say it came to light that for several years George W. Bush had been friends with Eric Rudolph, the notorious Olympic Park bomber and anti-abortion terrorist. Furthermore, let's suppose that Bush had remained friends with Rudolph over the years and still considered him a colleague today.

Now imagine Laura Bush, on the campaign trail for her husband, telling supporters and the national media that America is "mean" and that for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

Is there a doubt that Republican officeholders would have run from the Bush campaign like rats from a burning barn, that he would have become the political leper of the 2000 campaign? And what about the media? They virtually crucified candidate Bush that year for daring to give a speech at Bob Jones University, which had once banned interracial dating. I cannot imagine the field day they would have had with something like this.

And yet excuses are made for Barack Obama, who now finds himself in exactly this situation. Obama's pastor of more than two decades - the man who married Barack and Michelle Obama, who christened their daughters, who inspired the title of the candidate's book, "The Audacity of Hope," - is now at the center of a storm that would have destroyed the candidacy of any Republican the day the story broke.
Read more.

111 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:42:57am

We are occupied. Occupied by marxist leftist Stalinist Clinton adoring assholes.

112 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:43:03am

re: #62 ggt

Do they really need more --who would invade Iceland?


Of course they don't. Probably 95% of the land mass is jagged rocks.

There is nothing there to invade for, unless you like svid or rotted shard.

My impression from the little time I've been there, is that they seem to pretty well disposed towards America, too (or as much as can be expected from a tiny Euro-like Scandinavian country).

I think I heard that they put up ONE (count him. . .one) soldier into Iraq via NATO. If so, that's still infinitely larger of a contribution than most of the countries on the planet.

113 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:43:17am

re: #102 Occasional Reader

That sort of vision seriously makes me want to go right down the highway.

/Yes, it's that scary!

114 Zippy_Slug  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:43:43am

Aren't we already being invaded by south of the border aliens? Aren't they already occupying much of the south?

115 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:43:47am

re: #96 itellu3times

Dang, that's not right, is it? Posted lyrics generally have errors, to show where people copy them from.

My personal fave, for no apparent reason; look up the lyrics to Mott the Hoople's "All the Young Dudes". "Wendy's stealing clothes from Marks & Sparks" is often rendered as "Wendy's stealing clothes from unlocked cars." I'm presuming that non-Brit lyrics posters are unfamiliar with Marks & Sparks.

116 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:44:15am

re: #86 gman

The author is a masochist.

author's motto in a nutshell:

Pwn Me

no, actually he is saying

"punk me"

jail slang where one is asking to be raped in the anal orifice

117 Spiny Norman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:45:01am

re: #68 Occasional Reader

at least the American public will understand why invading another country is unconscionable except in the most dire circumstances - which means after that country has directly attacked the United States. And that has not happened since World War II.


Funny, I seem to recall a spot of unpleasantness on September 11, 2001.

In the neo-marxist fantasyland of the Daily Kos, that was Chimpy McBushitler's Reichstag Fire.

118 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:45:09am

re: #106 Dirk Diggler

I question this individual's patriotism.


Isn't the answer self-evident?

119 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:45:18am

re: #85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism, as many a bumper sticker in my neighborhood reminds me. Treason is the ultimate form of dissent, therefore, being a traitor is being a patriot.

Or is it that dissent against "dissent" (note the quote bunnies on the latter) a more "ultimate" form against patriotism?

A 9/11 debunker put it wisely that "we have the right to free speech, but not to unchallenged speech."

120 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:45:31am

re: #98 victor_yugo

excellent !

121 Bubblehead II  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:45:50am

re: #54 Spiny Norman

No problem, I know how to use soap and water.

122 Carolyn  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:45:51am

Michael Savage is right.
Liberalism is a mental illness.
They want the US to fall, the people to be killed...
What do they think will happen to them?
They will just saunter up to the invaders and tell them how they hated their own people and country?
Fools!

123 amphibian  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:46:25am

re: #9 realwest

What a bunch of effin' maroons. They'd be the FIRST TO GO TO THE GAS CHAMBERS if we were successfully invaded and occupied (and by whom, I would ask? Who has the military muscle to do that?
Answer: NO ONE.

Ahmadinejad is getting set to throw the Middle East into chaos, restricting our access to petroleum. China and Russia may decide to become friends again as they did for Korea and Vietnam. I think that our friend the kosling is hoping for us to become a lot weaker, and then maybe for one of his commie friends to come in and take over.

Yeh, he'd be among the first victims of the ensuing cultural revolution, as you say. Wouldn't make me feel any better, though.

124 semper gumbi  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:46:26am

The Kos Kid claims:

While candidates fight over who has the required experience to properly oversee our republic’s international interests, none realize that none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders. While they may claim to know when to wage wars and to know the horrors of war, they only know them intellectually. They can’t claim that they have emotionally felt them. No one who was born and raised in the United States can claim that and none can really feel it.

I got news for you idjit, there is a candidate hat knows the horror of war, has emotionally felt war, and will use these experiences to properly oversee our international interests:

John McCain

John McCain Character

125 psaturn  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:46:36am

This KOS writer wrote on a totally wrong premise.

United States of America did NOT INVADE Iraq.

We LIBERATED Iraq from the tyranny of Hussein...

That is a huge difference.

Remember WW2? When US fought over there, did we "invade" Europe? After all, we still have bases there. Did we "occupy" Germany? Germany is able to elect their own leaders...have control of their own companies and so forth.

Same thing with Iraq, they are able to have their own elections, have their own forces, pass their own laws...and even choose who to buy their oil. China has bought more of Iraqi oil than Americans according to one article...

So is Iraq truly "occupied" or liberated?

126 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:46:41am
The United States needs to be invaded - not just invaded - occupied.

Invasion: attacks of 9/11

Occupation: Been to a college campus lately? Let me count the Islamic Centers and hijab girls...

127 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:47:03am
128 Rancher  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:48:02am

Obama is in a town hall meeting. Questions about Wright to come soon.

129 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:48:10am

re: #112 looking closely

I know. I was trying to find a joke in there, but I'm not always good at that.

130 friarstale  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:48:24am

the US has been under attack via psychological warfare for decades

it's also called "white guilt"

we've also been under financial attack
it's called "Keynesian Economics"

we've been under cultural attack
it's called "multi-culturalism"

the sad part is, we're being attacked from within

131 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:49:07am

re: #128 Rancher

Obama is in a town hall meeting. Questions about Wright to come soon.

Let's hope they ask the "wright" questions. :-)

132 Ma Sands  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:49:18am

re: #126 Abu Boo Boo

...and all-Islamic high schools & lower-grades schools.

133 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:50:44am

Yet another irrelevant thug hugging B&D masturbatory die amerrika die fantasy

these MFers love death as much as Islam does

invaded and occupied, his punk ass

;~}

Fools.

134 realwest  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:50:51am

BTW - Am I correct that Kos and the Kidz support Obama?

135 gman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:51:13am

re: #116 Adrenalyn

Yuck

...and I was about to start eating breakfast.

136 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:51:35am

re: #129 ggt

I know. I was trying to find a joke in there, but I'm not always good at that.

In Iceland they joke about it all the time.

My biggest problem with the country is flipping beers cost $8 each (probably more now with the weak dollar).

Who the @#$$ is going to invade for THAT?

137 realwest  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:51:49am

re: #133 BabbaZee Uh, Babba could y'all check your e-mail please?

138 looking closely  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:52:26am

re: #134 realwest

BTW - Am I correct that Kos and the Kidz support Obama?

And didn't, Obama actually SUPPORT the war at its inception (eg before he became the left-most member of the US Senate)?

139 zmdavid  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:52:34am

re: #134 realwest

BTW - Am I correct that Kos and the Kidz support Obama?


Yes, the Hillary supporters there recently self-purged.

140 Bubblehead II  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:52:59am

re: #69 vapig

Google results for Mecha.

141 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:53:41am

I would like to pre-emptively declare the invasion of America a quagmire.

/Remember, you heard it here first.

142 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:53:44am

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Do they realize the Kos Kidz will be the first led to slaughter?

And they'd go wimpering rather than fighting. When the Nazis innvaded and occupied Poland, the first ones rounded up and executed were the "illuminati", the elitists of Polish society.

DKOS seriously needs to be shut down as a hate site! ! !

143 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:53:56am

re: #137 realwest

my email server is wonky today
but I will get it as soon as it lets me

144 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:55:27am

Morons of the United States unite! All you have to lose is your freedom to post lunacy like this(koskidz) oh, and your pathetic lives! Idiots. Everybody drink, obamarama just said CHANGE!

145 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:55:30am

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT KOSLAM!

146 Fat Tone  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:55:37am

This idiot doesn't realize the impact that 911 had on oour nation. How many libtards on 9/11, were conservative proactive go getters of national security on 9/12 ?

This moron saying the USA needs to be occupied would be the first one crying for the marines were OBL and his gang ever to come marching down his block.

147 Ma Sands  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:55:47am

re: #98 victor_yugo

Wow! I gave your comment a "plus" ding...and instead of the number of plusses, this is what appeared!

Connect failed: MDB2 Error: connect failed

148 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:56:33am

Better yet, they can go to Tibet and protest human rights violations!

149 cliffster  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:56:44am

Sure - a direct invasion we can handle. Pearl Harbor gets bombed, America takes on a multi-front war in Europe and Asia, and wins both, blowing up lots of stuff in the process. 9/11 happens, and America takes out two of the biggest offending nations in the middle east.

What is more difficult to handle is the more sinister, disease-like spread of victimism and lack of self-sufficiency. Most people can tke on a mugger and beat them back, but cancer is much harder to fight.

150 chinesearithmetic  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:56:58am

The writer isn't gonna study war no more, but he doesn't seem to have studied anything else either.

151 akak  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:57:28am

"they're good people" G W Bush

152 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:57:42am

9-11 was an invasion.

153 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:57:54am

re: #146 Fat Tone

Not Marines, they'd be crying:

"MMOooommmyyy"

154 Sharku  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:58:45am

the loon doesnt realize that befor the invasion could even occur all of our major cities would have to be radioactive rubble, and even then the survivors would make it pure hell for any invader. Idiots abound over there.

155 Spiny Norman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:59:25am

re: #125 psaturn

Remember WW2? When US fought over there, did we "invade" Europe? After all, we still have bases there. Did we "occupy" Germany? Germany is able to elect their own leaders...have control of their own companies and so forth.

Were talking semantics here: yes, in order to liberate it from the Nazis occupation, we did "invade and occupy" western Europe. The fact that that "occupation" prevented a Soviet invasion is something the Marxists on both sides of the Atlantic will never forgive us for.

156 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:00:01am

Invade America! Obama 2008

/

157 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:00:12am
While candidates fight over who has the required experience to properly oversee our republic’s international interests, none realize that none of them have ever felt what it is like to have war waged in their neighborhood and occupied by intruders. While they may claim to know when to wage wars and to know the horrors of war, they only know them intellectually.

Um...excuse me? Didn't John McCain have a little something to do with some war or another, personally?

/oh! you're only talking about DEMOCRAT candidates?

158 Techie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:01:34am

The American South could not be reached for comment...

(not that we didn't deserve it)

159 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:01:37am

The fact that we haven't been invaded is what makes nuts think this way. He has it all wrong. Put the boot of oppression on our necks and what how much more freedom-loving and violent we get. This kook has it all BACKWARDS!

160 sharmutah  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:01:45am

I guess if you live long enough you get to see and hear everything. All of this crazy stuff from Daily Kos, MSM, Academia, Obama, etc. ad nauseum is really nothing more than all those aging radicals (who have permeated our cultural institutions) looking for the glory days of their youth. They refuse to let go of the past and yearn for the attention that had been dissipating for many years until 9/11. I do believe, that when all is said and done, Obama will be trounced in the general election, as most Americans love their country too much to elect a man on the ideological fringes of our great country. Today, there are more conservative African Americans who do not buy into the perpetual state of racism that is espoused by Obama's pastor and others, who profit tremendously from a constant state of racial tensions. Twenty or so years ago this was unheard of. The younger kids in high school, (such as my son) are more conservative in their outlook than older generations of kids. Many of these kids looking for hero's, turn to our brave soldiers for role models, not the teachers that try to fill them with propaganda and misnomers.

161 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:02:24am

re: #123 amphibian

China and Russia may decide to become friends again as they did for Korea and Vietnam.

One correction; China and Russia (USSR) were NOT friends during our involvement in Vietnam. In fact, they came close to war in the early 70s.

162 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:02:45am

Will Charlie Sheen be on the other side this time?

/

163 Abu Kuffar  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:03:48am

The cult of Koslam

164 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:05:27am

re: #53 JammieWearingFool

Big corned beef is ripping us off!

LOL! And Big cabbage?

165 Carolyn  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:06:27am
166 LindaMarie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:07:06am

re: #141 rappmandu

I would like to pre-emptively declare the invasion of America a quagmire.

/Remember, you heard it here first.

In America we have corruption and politics as usual. And freedom first of all.
What we don't have, that the invaders of third world, would never understand is tribalism and clans. They would assume that we all follow the word (dictate) of the tribal elder - Wrong. That would be the quagmire I think.

167 ackomanyuki  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:07:32am

The US should be invaded and occupied by a foreign power (leftist-Internationalist I presume) because the middle class, spoiled, sniveling, pussified, little shits at Kos can't be bothered to lift a finger, even towards their own wet dreams, they need to employ an International Masturbation Brigade to achieve their totalitarian emission.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:09:21am
Because, according to the Daily Kos diarist, being invaded, slaughtered, and occupied is the only way we’ll become a nation of compassionate pacifists.

Like it did for the Paliterrorists?
/sarc
(I know they weren't really invaded and occupied, but from the Koskid's viewpoint, if the Pali's homicide bombing is justified, then why shouldn't Americans fight back?)

169 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:09:38am

You will know the end is near when the Mexicans start going back... until then-Partay!

170 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:11:39am

re: #166 LindaMarie

What we don't have, that the invaders of third world, would never understand is tribalism and clans

Sure we do
We just don't call it that here.

The Rev Wright is a "tribalist" by philosophy
David Duke also a "tribalist" philosophy
Cornell West, Al Sharpton
The political parties act much like tribal clans
etc etc etc

human nature itself is a constant
the only thing that differs is premise of life and the terms and definitions we assign to the behavior

171 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:12:07am

"employ an International Masturbation Brigade to achieve their totalitarian emission"

I was thinking along those lines myself. I got into some deep psych thought about orgasm and violent endings and decided it was too much to post.

I really think there is a deep psychotic mal-adjustment in these people. They want everything to be like sex and not even good sex.

172 gymnast  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:12:22am

Gurgling's from the scum sucking swamp swimmers at KOS. Perhaps they would better spend their time seeking dry ground.

173 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:12:35am

Was the U.S. really invaded during WWII?
Gosh, I must've been asleep that day in history class.
Pearl Harbour was certainly not an invasion.
Even 9/11 was not an invasion.
So WTF are these morons thinking (if anything)?
Oh, I know...they must've got the Martians in Mars Attacks mixed up with WWII.
Amazing.

174 shibumi  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:12:52am

I enjoy "intellectuals" who think "out of the box" without really understanding the ramifications of their borderline psychotic musings.

Having the U.S. occupied as a good idea is right on par with the benefits of the U.S. going communist.

175 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:13:16am

re: #169 Peacekeeper

You will know the end is near when the Mexicans start going back... until then-Partay!

Don't know about the Mexicans, but I saw an article in the Financial Times last week that said Brazil is now experiencing a net return of expatriates. We must stop this at once. Or work out a deal, they can have all the male Brazilians back.

And really, the long term solution to the illegal immigration crisis IS for conditions to improve enough in Mexico (especially) for the people of that country to want to stay there. Good for them, good for us.

176 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:13:42am

re: #170 BabbaZee

Kinda sucks for them, that America doesn't have it's roots in clans and tribes.

They seem to forget most American's left their tribe to come here--for a reason.

177 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:14:03am

re: #165 Carolyn

Remember my video link to an LGF St. Patrick's Day?

This'd be TV under the Kos Kidz' ideal occupation circumstances...

178 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:15:16am

re: #170 BabbaZee

Sure we do
We just don't call it that here.

I've been searching for my tribe of white Irish-German conservative Democrat pro-Judeo-Christian ex-but-not-anti-Catholic atheists. No luck so far. (No one's gay for Moleman)

179 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:16:01am

re: #176 ggt

The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
~ Genesis 12:1

180 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:16:29am

re: #178 Occasional Reader

LOL

S'why I'm feral!

181 Rancher  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:18:14am

re: #173 sparrowlake

Was the U.S. really invaded during WWII?


Japan occupied the Aleutian islands.

182 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:19:17am

re: #173 sparrowlake

Was the U.S. really invaded during WWII?

To be way too far to this scumbag Kos diarist, (s)he said "directly attacked" since WWII, not "invaded".

Arguably, we did experience invasion in WWII... the Japanese occupied a couple of islands in the Aleutians. Of course, since Hawaii wasn't a state yet, we could bicker all day about whether that constituted an invasion "of the US".

(Also, of course, German saboteurs landed in the mainland US and were promptly caught... but I wouldn't qualify that as "invasion".)

183 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:19:59am

Obama's Mentor's Mentor


The influence of the black liberation theology of James H. Cone appears in the political philosophy of Barack Obama as well as in the recent controversial statement about national pride made by Michelle Obama.

The spiritual role that Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC) and its just-retired pastor Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright have played in the lives of Barack and Michelle Obama is well-established, as is the Africentric theology that is the cornerstone of the church's self-proclaimed identity.

One largely unexamined element of that Africentric theology, though, is the pivotal role that black liberation theologian Dr. James H. Cone, Professor of Systematic Theology, Union Theological Seminary (NYC), and his 1969 book Black Theology & Black Power, have played in the life of that faith community. Examining Cone's theology may enlighten us on Barack's political philosophy and Michelle's recently controversial statement about not having been proud of her country until the favorable reception to her husband's candidacy.

The Trinity UCC website was updated early this year. Before that, Cone's book was singled out as required reading for Trinity parishioners who wished to more thoroughly understand the church's theology and mission. That highlighting was removed. Jason Byassee, of The Christian Century Magazine, wrote this about Cone and Trinity in May, 2007:

"There is no denying, however, that a strand of radical black political theology influences Trinity [UCC]. James Cone, the pioneer of black liberation theology, is a much-admired figure at Trinity. Cone told me that when he's asked where his theology is institutionally embodied, he always mentions Trinity. Cone's groundbreaking 1969 book Black Theology and Black Power announced: "The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people. . . . All white men are responsible for white oppression. . . . Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'. . . Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement." Contending that the structures of a still-racist society need to be dismantled, Cone is impatient with claims that the race situation in America has improved. In a 2004 essay he wrote, "Black suffering is getting worse, not better. . . . White supremacy is so clever and evasive that we can hardly name it. It claims not to exist, even though black people are dying daily from its poison" (in Living Stones in the Household of God)."

184 LindaMarie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:20:06am

re: #170 BabbaZee

Sure we do
We just don't call it that here.

The Rev Wright is a "tribalist" by philosophy
David Duke also a "tribalist" philosophy
Cornell West, Al Sharpton
The political parties act much like tribal clans
etc etc etc

human nature itself is a constant
the only thing that differs is premise of life and the terms and definitions we assign to the behavior

You are correct. But it is different in that we are not required to be part of a clan or tribe - we can choose as adults the one (if any) that we will join and be a part of. In a tribal culture you are the culture you are born into. In Islam to convert to another faith is to die. No choice, that is the way it is. You can argue that some cults never let anyone leave but they are not the norm. In America you can move where you like (within economic means) pray where you like, work (or not) where you like and marry whom you want. In a tribal culture this is all set out for you and you cannot easily change any of it,

185 anubis_soundwave  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:20:07am

If a simultaneous three-pronged attack on the WTC, the Pentagon and possible(and thankfully thwarted) the INDEPENDENCE DAY MONEY SHOT(White House) isn't an attack on our home soil, I'd hate to see what would constitute an attack on our home soil to this dolt.

The sad part is, the Japanese attacked a military base on 7 Dec 1941. The miserable cretins who attacked us on 11 Sept 2001 targeted civilians.

If something WORSE than the latter occurs because of brain-dead liberal cowardice...may God have mercy on their souls, et cetera.

186 Carolyn  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:20:29am

re: #177 laZardo

Remember my video link to an LGF St. Patrick's Day?

This'd be TV under the Kos Kidz' ideal occupation circumstances...

I hadn't seen that one. Heh

187 amphibian  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:21:05am

re: #161 Occasional Reader

One correction; China and Russia (USSR) were NOT friends during our involvement in Vietnam. In fact, they came close to war in the early 70s.

But I believe that they both supported the VC, to the point of sending people to the fighting. Allies, not friends, then, but awkward to fight in any case, the times we've done so.

In the last few weeks, the US and China had a little dialog about the best way to shoot down a satellite. The Chinese used a shotgun and thought themselves pretty hot stuff, and we did the job in somewhat better style. Similarly with the Israeli bombing of the Syrian nuclear facility: I think we've got the edge in technology. But, China and Russia are big, populous countries. War is never good (but sometimes necessary!), and a big war is a particularly big loss of resources, even if you end up winning it.

188 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:21:18am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

way too fair, not far

189 Ma Sands  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:22:05am

re: #160 sharmutah

From inside your football:

Registered since: Aug 20, 2004

No. of comments posted: 22


Wow. Never knew you were here on lgf...
Wonder what's happened to the newer poster bearing your nic without the "h" at the end...

190 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:22:18am

re: #184 LindaMarie

Agree

191 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:22:19am

re: #186 Carolyn

The first part was directed to those who read the last thread. X_x Sorry.

192 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:23:10am

re: #180 BabbaZee

LOL!

193 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:23:37am

re: #181 Rancher

OK, I really was asleep (or "absent").

194 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:24:01am

re: #187 amphibian

But I believe that they both supported the VC, to the point of sending people to the fighting

I may be wrong, but I am not aware of China supporting the VC during our involvement there. I believe it was an all-Soviet show on the commie side in terms of puppetmasters. China and the USSR did NOT get along at the time. (They came very, very close to nuclear war in 1973.) And recall that China and the newly "liberated" Vietnam went to war in 1979.

195 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:24:22am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

(Also, of course, German saboteurs landed in the mainland US and were promptly caught... but I wouldn't qualify that as "invasion".)

Mrs Miniver and the German Pilot


Gotta go
Have a great day, Lizards

196 Pope Insouciance IV  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:24:29am

Maybe this is what they had in mind.

197 wanumba  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:24:58am
No one who was born and raised in the United States can claim that and none can really feel it.

And that's what makes America great! It's called SECURITY and it's what all civilized societies require to get ANYTHING done and to PROSPER. It's called SANCTUARY for people to flee to when things go horribly wrong at home.

It's a hard-hearted, cold sociopathic person who's ego will not tolerate a single imposition of any kind on himself or herself to intone that all the US needs is death and destruction. Nooo. What the world needs is more peace and quiet of the kind we know how to maintain here in America. The world needs police departments that function to control the criminals from preying on innocent people, a military that defends their borders from invaders, not sucks off national wealth into numbered Swiss Bank accounts.

Unlike this apparent basement dweller who displays for the entire country how ignorant he/she is about life. Americans are all over the world, living in primitive and hostile conditions bringing humanitarian and military aid to people who need them. European governments like to claim that the US is stingy because it's humanitarian aid as a % of GNP is not as high as SOME countries. They like the lie of the statistics, dodging two factors, ONE with the huge GNP of the USA, even a smaller percentage of it is gonna be HUGE and DWARF any other government's contributuions and TWO: PRIVATE AMERICAN contributions to humanitarian aid are stratospheric compared to private contributions from ANY OTHER COUNTRY, BAR NONE. American are alrady, and traditionally and continue to be extraordinarily generous people. Perhaps it should be qualified - people who are Left-leaning are the STINGIEST of Americans, not willing to part with their money or time, preferring to use OTHER people's money then claim moral superiority without the personal sacrifice; the Harder Left, the stingier. Conservative and religious Americans more than make up for the Scrooges of the Left, sending millions and millions of dollars of private gifts, in money, time, skills and lives and needed materials and supplies.

These people are creeps. They scream what right do we have to invade Iraq, then turn on a dime and argue we have a moral obligation invade the Balkans or Darfur. A great argument was made AFTER THE FACT for invading Rwanda, but the LEft was silent when the heads were being cleaved in two. The fact is, they weren't interested, couldn't rouse themselves to action or even pressure at the time, then self-servingly acted all contrite and sorry when they were confronted with the concept that they were racist to not have done something. They are all talk. They DON'T CARE. Iraq had money available and Saddam used it to bribe whoever he thought needed to be manipulated. Using Darfur cynically as a potential crow-bar to pry troops out of a truly strategic position into western Sudan is despicable. No blood for oil. Yeh. Since Darfur is sitting on oil wealth, isn't that blood for oil again? What's the difference? That is, if one still insists on using oil, a basic, cheap naturally occuring commodity as some sort of cosmic metaphor for evil.

It could be a mental disorder to push all this contradictory rhetoric, but really it's all just lies. The common theme is always the same: DEATH.

198 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:26:36am

Two words: John McCain

199 amphibian  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:27:47am

re: #194 Occasional Reader

I may be wrong, but I am not aware of China supporting the VC during our involvement there. I believe it was an all-Soviet show on the commie side in terms of puppetmasters. China and the USSR did NOT get along at the time. (They came very, very close to nuclear war in 1973.) And recall that China and the newly "liberated" Vietnam went to war in 1979.

Before I started watching world events (before I was alive, almost, though that's what history and books are for). I apologize for my ignorance.

200 abolitionist  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:27:48am

I've heard talk about Madagaskar as a place for some people to migrate to and settle. As you can see, official acreage data seriously underestimates the available land there.
/

201 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:28:53am

re: #197 wanumba

The difference is that it's Darfur blood for Chinese state-run oil. At least the profits made by Western oil companies in Iraq go into the pockets of shareholders who would most likely donate that money to charitable causes elsewhere (or for a few, get suckered into scams thereof but that's beside the point.)

202 The Albatross  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:29:21am

re: #163 Abu Kuffar

The cult of Koslam

I was thinking more along the lines of "The cult of personality"

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
Ive been everything you want to be
Im the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
Im the smiling face on your t.v.
Im the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
Im the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your gods name
Im every person you need to be
Im the cult of personality
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality

I know your anger, I know your dreams
Ive been everything you want to be
Im the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
Im the smiling face on your t.v.
Im the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
Im the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your gods name
Im every person you need to be
Im the cult of personality

203 TalkinKamel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:30:35am

And don't you just love the cold-bloodedness of it all? Countless millions of Americans are to be killed, injured, maybe tortured, deported from their homes, invaded, occupied, crushed, all so that America (or, most likely, the writer himself) can feel good about themselves. (Is he thinking the conquerers will just go away, once Americans start acting nice again? Does he really think a conquered America would just go back to where it was before---with lots of new "compassion", of course?)

Millions of lost, or damaged individual lives, seems a pretty high price to pay, just to learn compassion. (For who? For what? What purpose? Who says we don't possess a lot of it already?)

I find this guy's "compassion" lacking in compassion.

204 LindaMarie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:32:09am

re: #197 wanumba

Too long to quote and respond to so many excellent points.

205 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #203 TalkinKamel

I find this guy's "compassion" lacking in compassion.


Charlie sez ya gotta love someone with ultimate love to cut 'em open and kill 'em, man

Fritzie!
Had to say Shalom to you before going.

Bye!

206 LindaMarie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:38:23am

re: #203 TalkinKamel

Disgusting it's it? They fantasize that blood is like that they see on TV. Then they say "cut" and everyone gets up wipes off the ketchup and goes home. On TV there is no smell of bowels voiding or the copper scent of blood.

207 Daryl Herbert  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:38:29am

Bonus: nobody at Kos (thus far) even mentions the words "patriot" or "patriotism"?

208 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:38:45am

They're not just crazy - they're fundamentally incapable of understanding human nature.

209 TalkinKamel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:40:14am

#205 BabbaZee

LOL! (Sings, to the tune of Adams Family theme) They're creepy and they're spooky/mysteee-eeeous and kooky!/They're altogether ooky!/The Manson Famileee!

Shalmom to you too, Babba!

:>)

210 laZardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:40:30am

I has to go to bed, nearing 1 AM here. z_z

211 Pyrocles  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:41:10am

I used to think like this guy, in college...of course.

What we need to understand about lefties, is that they know they'd probably die along with the "wingnut sheeple"; they just don't care. They're nihilists, with an "everything sucks" attitude about life. They think they deserve to die anyway, since they're white and guilty beyond measure; passively suicidal, really. So they die, oh well.

A leftie would think: Since there's no God or anything anyway, and humans just kill each other and pollute the environment, why shouldn't I just die off, too? I suck, people, suck, we should all just die.

re: #123 amphibian

Ahmadinejad is getting set to throw the Middle East into chaos, restricting our access to petroleum. China and Russia may decide to become friends again as they did for Korea and Vietnam. I think that our friend the kosling is hoping for us to become a lot weaker, and then maybe for one of his commie friends to come in and take over.

Yeh, he'd be among the first victims of the ensuing cultural revolution, as you say. Wouldn't make me feel any better, though.

212 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:42:02am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Yes you are right and I am wrong - the occupation of 2 of the Aleutians was technically an invasion, but of course the native population was tiny and I understand that almost all had been previously evacuated and interred on the Alaskan panhandle (which is another story).

213 ggt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:42:18am

I'm having major problems posting. If you don't see me again, I've decided to take a nap.

Happy St Patty's day all!

214 Fasternu426  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:42:52am
...the United States no longer has the remotest idea about what it really feels like to be part of a war zone.


For good reason. We were not founded by pusssifists. We were founded by real men and women that know what real freedom is, and will fight for it.

215 TalkinKamel  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:43:26am

#206 Linda Marie

. . And after the war is over, everybody gives everybody else a big hug, and they stand around singing "Kumbaya", and then they go home, to their still-standing houses, where there are still cars in the drive way, and food in the fridge and Mums and Dadders are alive (not shot, or sent to a re-education camp), and they still have plenty of money to give Professor Whatsisname for his/her allowance, and his/her room in the family basement is just the way he/she left it. . .

Fantasy war.

(You nailed it. Hey, if anybody actually, ya know, died, they were probably just BAD people, who deserved it.)

216 banal resentive  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:43:31am

Darn, a bit late coming across this thread.

The KOS kids should watch what they wish for. If the US was forced into a defensive fight-to-the-finish for the country, I suspect our blatant 5th columnists would find very little tolerance for their consumption of oxygen.

217 LindaMarie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:46:25am

re: #214 Fasternu426

For good reason. We were not founded by pusssifists. We were founded by real men and women that know what real freedom is, and will fight for it.

And may we stay that way. The left wing media has done a good job of convincing us that we are all wimps and need to be.
Haven't got me yet or the lizards.

218 lobosan5  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:46:35am
re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

A UN-sponsored multi-national force.


/what does obama think about this?

it's already in the works w/ people like Obama leading the way.

re: #35 phoenixgirl

re: #67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We don't know what it's like to be in a war zone, prick? There were war zones in lower Manhattan, the Pentagon and over the skies of Pennsylvania on 9/11/01. Just don't question their patriotism.
/SPIT


or how about living in areas where 'immigrants' rule...color is everything...so somebody please tell these nitwits...when they kill us all off...no more free health care or housing!

re: #114 Zippy_Slug

Aren't we already being invaded by south of the border aliens? Aren't they already occupying much of the south?

Yes, & they really don't like the KosKids! Watch how loud they scream for the Marines...o wait...

& for all the koskids
here ya go...a classic! 'scuse me ,but i subbed a word or two...


EMO, EMOs
slimy little EMOs
EMO ,EMOs
eat them up
yum!
"first time i saw this i ran out of the room screaming... :D"

219 irongrampa  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:48:23am

Another demonstration that the "reality-based community" operates from a fiction-based reality.

220 MadJadBad  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:49:37am
As a nation the United States no longer has the remotest idea about what it really feels like to be part of a war zone.


Join the military. Get first hand experience.

221 Ben-Ami  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:50:19am

At least some of the comments there pointed out how f*ing stupid and nonsensical this diary was. Too bad some of those seemed more upset about Bill O'Reilly using it against them rather than the thoughts expressed.

Better not question their patriotism, though...

222 ajai  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:59:22am

Didn't we get into this mess because Americans refused to accept the Iraqi invasion/occupation of Kuwait? Its not like that war ever ended. So I think americans already have proven they are:

-reluctant to accept the invasion of another country
-understand why invading another country is unconscionable

223 StinkHammer  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:59:42am

The money quote:

America is at a point that to be able to really feel again...

Listen, KosDude, I haven't the slightest interest in "feeling" when it comes to ideologically based convictions. They are informed by observation, logical assessment and pragmatism with regard to preserving the best interests of my homeland. Whatever I may "feel" about things has no bearing on how world events unfold.

224 varmint  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:02:51am

he cites the civil war. so, did southerners become more humble and less violent after being occupied by union forces?

225 madisonsfriend  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:03:15am

My grandparents on both sides- knowing what it was like to be constantly in fear and in danger, emigrated to the United States. I bless their memories for going through terrible things to come to America, leaving behind family and a known-if very difficult- life- to start new here. I suggest the writer who does not appreciate the blessings of freedom found here move to Burma, to Sudan, or to most of the world- and live as one of the oppressed. As for me, I will continue to love and support the land of my birth- the land that gave refuge to so many including the ancestors of the moron who wrote this piece. God bless America and keep her safe.

226 Jeff S.  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:08:53am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

Wyoming.

/Sal

227 mrkwong  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:11:12am

Being occupied by the Thirty Years War, and Napoleon, and all kinds of other folks really made the Germans pacific and introspective through the 20th century, didn't it?

Having vast amounts of territory overrun and occupied by a lot of those same folks made the Russians really sweet and gentle, right?

And, of course, Mao and Chiang sat around and drank tea and sang kumbaya for years after the Japanese occupation of much of China.

Right now the Germans and Japanese are quiescent (perhaps too much so) not because they were occupied but because they were utterly crushed, and sixty years is a historical blip.

I would like to think that being invaded would make us unbelievably nasty and violent toward the invaders, but one has to think that if you scratch a Kossack you find a Quisling.

228 Fasternu426  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:11:56am

Having driven into Houston yesterday, I would say that we have been invaded! We are being occupied. Dodging taco trucks and landscapers pulling trailers full of mowers and illegal aliens is a daily occurrence here. The invasion is on in full force!

229 Dahveed  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:14:24am

What a wonderful policy for the Dems to run a campaign on.

"Vote for Obama - You want change. We'll give you change. We'll give you a foreign power running your country."

-or-

"Vote for Obama - Hope! Hope that your head doesn't get chopped off by my Islamic friends."

230 jordash1212  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:23:38am

That was the point of the Revolutionary war, to get rid of occupying forces.

231 Merovign  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:25:51am

So.

According to the Left Stream of Consciousness:

A) Invading and occupying the US would make Americans understand and accept peace.

B) Invading and occupying Iraq created terrorism and radicalism.

Gotcha.

The motto of DKos appears to be "Can't think, the Republicans will eat me!"

232 maddogg  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:30:46am

The Koskooks wouldn't like it as much as they think, as somehow I think they might make the pinnacle of the "to be eliminated" list.

233 IdeaLover  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:33:21am

Since there is no nation capable enough or insane enough to invade us, the invasion they call for won't, in their minds, be from a nation (i.e., a specific other government) at all.

For that reason, they will claim that we can only treat it as a criminal investigation, hunting down, arresting and trying the specific perpetrators, one by one. Treating the act as the act of war that it is, and terminating the threat at its source is forbidden.

Unfortunately, that claim will be nothing new, since that is _precisely_ the policy of the U.S. government today.

The government of Iran (and to a slightly lesser degree, Saudi Arabia) is that source, yet the U.S. government has done nothing about it.

What is needed is to fight those governments like we fought Japan's during WWII. Anything less, and the U.S. will become the new Israel.

234 maddogg  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:33:54am

Besides, we've already been invaded.

¿dice usted el español?

235 Kulhwch  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:33:58am
How much do the lunatics at Daily Kos hate their own country? So much that a diary posted yesterday actually argues that The United States needs to be invaded - not just invaded - occupied.

Because, according to the Daily Kos diarist, being invaded, slaughtered, and occupied is the only way we’ll become a nation of compassionate pacifists.

Guess the Dhimmicrats are proud of their pussitard nature.  This is what happens when kids grow up without any real parental guidance.  Well, I have only one thing to say ...

}:)     [Go Wolverines!]

236 grumpy old codger  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:37:24am

It is quite ironic that the South, which was invaded and occupied during the "late unpleasantness" (1861-65 and the Reconstruction) seems to have sent, historically more of it's sons into the Armed forces. The South, it also appears, has been a bastion of patriotism.
By KOS standards, however, these people should be ultra pacifists as they did suffer the invasion and occupation by "enemy" forces. Yet, it's the richer, Left wing nuts that are the ones who scream about patriotism.
Things that make you go hmmm...

237 badsysop  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:37:37am

If the day came where we were being invaded and occupied, I'd certainly point my guns on pathetic liberals from Kos as quickly as I'd point them at any invaders.

And it is of my philosophy is that if you have to pull a gun out, it best be used.

238 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:39:00am

re: #155 Spiny Norman

Part of the problem is semantics... to many useful idiots get hung up on how they can twist things around and by controlling the language they try to control the argument etc...

Invasion? Not likely... Leftist twits versus everyone else? Already there minus the full scale killin' and stuff...

239 A.W.  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:41:57am

I always find it interesting that the "you should experience it yourself" argument only seems to go one way for these idiot.

For instance, I could argue that it would be just as "educational" if we were living under a dictatorship (preferably a left wing one) for a time. After all, natural born Americans know little about what it is like to live without freedom. Maybe then they wouldn't be so eager to tell us how there is universal literacy in Cuba, or to claim that Iraqis really don't want to be free. Maybe they wouldn't be so blase about sending another people into chains.

Of course it would be silly to advocate that plan of action. But its interesting that his compassion is so myopic: a desire to see an end to war, but not so much a desire to see an end to tyranny.

The modern Dem party is really no different than the Dem party of the 19th century. In 1850's, they claimed that the slaves were happy and treated well, and didn't desire freedom. And after the war, when KKK terrorists did their best to defeat the slaves' newfound freedom, the Dems were first to claim we couldn't defeat them, that black people were actually worse off, and they didn't really want freedom that much anyway. The sad thing is we lost that war on terror, and to every enlightened historian that was a travesty. It boggles the mind that the Dems want us to repeat that history.

240 maddogg  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:43:31am

re: #236 grumpy old codger

It is quite ironic that the South, which was invaded and occupied during the "late unpleasantness" (1861-65 and the Reconstruction) seems to have sent, historically more of it's sons into the Armed forces. The South, it also appears, has been a bastion of patriotism.
By KOS standards, however, these people should be ultra pacifists as they did suffer the invasion and occupation by "enemy" forces. Yet, it's the richer, Left wing nuts that are the ones who scream about patriotism.
Things that make you go hmmm...

I would say they are using contemporary France as their invasion reaction model.

241 Maltboy!  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:44:05am

Well, I guess we should also start bashing our skulls with a hammer because it will feel really good when we stop.

242 jonny abu b. good  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:44:26am

I don't need to have my daughter raped to understand the inherent ickyness of such an act. The logic employed by the Kosians baffles the mind.

243 lizzardgizzard  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:51:53am

This guy thinks that the only way for someone to "really feel compassion" for Iraqi terrorists and militants is to "feel" the same pain that Iraqi terrorists and militants' victims feel. Why do we need to feel the pain that Iraqi terrorists and militants are inflicting on their own people? I can't even imagine how cold this guys heart is to not feel the pain the Iraqi terrorist and militants are inflicting on other Iraqis, without having to subject himself and the rest of Americans to being blown up by those swine. That's just sadistic! And he is claiming to be compassionate? Unbelievable! I don't feel that I or my kids or any Americans or their children need to be blown up by a suicide-swine in order to feel "empathy". My heart is still warm enough to feel empathy and I don't have any need to wish any American family the pain that those Iraqi terrorist swine cause innocent Iraqi civilians, in order for me to feel good about myself or my country! If he's an American, how has he 'felt' their pain? Is he living and blogging from an "occupied" country? If he isn't, how can he claim to 'feel empathy', when he doesn't even fit his own criteria for feeling compassion?

244 coquimbojoe  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:55:11am

The caveats that are put in the of the excerpt amaze me. This person feels their point can only be made if we adhere to there version of reality. This is why arguing with these fools hardly works. We have to stick to their narrowly created reality in order to swallow their 'facts'. Only a Pearl Harbor is justification to go to war. Really?

245 cygnus  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

The Borg Collective.

246 right_wing2  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:00:52am

I think I could accept being invaded by the Irish & the Jews. Better than whoever the Kosers have in mind. Or 'whoever the Kosers would have in mind if they had one'.

247 cygnus  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:02:26am

re: #32 experiencedtraveller

I feel sorry for the Lizards pulling time in the Kos swamp...

/Do they get paid time and a half in their zionazi checks?

And hazardous duty pay along with health benefits because of the brain toxins.

248 Grey Fox  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:04:50am

I volunteer to invade and occupy the US, or at least Kosland. Being a jack-booted thug could be fun!

249 IdeaLover  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:05:11am

re: #239 A.W.

[...]
[...] After all, natural born Americans know little about what it is like to live without freedom..

It is true that few Americans know what it is like ... and that's because few (including _all_ of our politicians) understand what freedom _is_.

Practically everybody thinks "democracy" is a political ideal, but in fact it is merely "tyranny by the majority" as the Founders put it. The war in Iraq was fought to "bring democracy to Iraq", not to terminate the threat to America.

If there was ever even a glimmer of understanding of that in our government, it vanished on the day that the name of the operation was changed from "Infinite Justice" to "Iraqi Freedom". And there most certainly has never been any inkling of such an understanding in what the government has had our military do.

250 alteredbeat  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:06:24am

The US is already being invaded.

Ever been to the Southwest?

251 ballantrae  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:08:04am

#246

If we were actually invaded, it would be a world class nightmare. Especially if the invasion was brutal. Brutal invasions, like any traumatic experience, tends to brutalize the survivors. If we were invaded, I know that we would throw the bastards out sooner or later, we simply have too much fighting spirit to put up with that crap for long. But we would be in even greater danger of turning into a cruel nation. And that would be the ultimate disaster.

252 Ceemack  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:19:29am

There are interesting things to be gleaned from the comments on that post.

One of the first ones referred to the diarist as a "whacko". Apparently there are people that even the Kos Kidz think are nuts--and you've got to be really, really out there to qualify.

I was cheered by the fact that so many of the Koslings objected to the original post, which one of them called "mindless dribble" (perhaps this one was afflicted with March Madness).

But then it dawned on me that they weren't objecting to the idea because America didn't deserve it. They were objecting to it simply because they detest violence and bloodshed so much.

It's almost enough to make me question their patriotism.

253 XMariner  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:37:53am

"While they may claim to know when to wage wars and to know the horrors of war, they only know them intellectually."

Okay, let's take this mental exercise a step farther. This KOS diarist doesn't know the horrors of war (only intellectually), either.

So what makes him (or her, or transgendered) more qualified than the President or Congress to call or not call for War?

254 right_wing2  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:45:12am

re: #251 ballantrae

I agree that many invasions would be brutal, and would change the nature of America into something I'd hate to see. But I don't see invading Irish or Jews as being brutal (I could easily be wrong though- I often am), and given the direction America seems headed, towards far too much cowardice & willingness to turn a blind eye to true evil in the world (the whole 'shades of grey' and 'we can't judge their culture' thing), we might even be changed for the better under Irish or Jewish rule. I'd certainly trust most of them far more than I trust many Dems. :)

255 Twilight  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:45:42am

re: #4 phoenixgirl

and what country should invade us?

Evil Zionists of course.

256 Jason  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:45:49am

Perhaps we can do something to provoke the Ukraine into a war? And then immediately surrender? I would be happy to have them occupy the USA as long as they like.

257 joan  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:49:57am

re: #2 moderatewolverine

Wow, the Kos Kooks really are just out of their minds. How can you function so far out of reality?

To function so far out of reality would require a lifetime of leftist indoctrination in the government school system, a lifetime of shelter from harm by thousands of the more courageous and patriotic people who serve in the military, combined with a lifetime of butt ignorance of the thousands of humanitarian programs and organizations founded and supported by your fellow Americans.

258 maddogg  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:51:19am

What the heck. This would make a good addition to "pinheads and patriots". So I sent O'reilly the link.

259 joan  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:52:09am

re: #255 Twilight
[what country should invade us]

Evil Zionists of course.


Mexico

260 soccerdad  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:52:23am

re: #32 experiencedtraveller

I feel sorry for the Lizards pulling time in the Kos swamp...

I thank God for them. I went there a few times and the stupid interface made things almost as hard to follow as it was to fathom the ideas over there.

261 maddogg  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:53:02am

re: #256 Jason

Perhaps we can do something to provoke the Ukraine into a war? And then immediately surrender? I would be happy to have them occupy the USA as long as they like.

Dang! I hope they gang rape me!

262 blue_like_jazz  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:53:37am
As a nation the United States no longer has the remotest idea about what it really feels like to be part of a war zone.


Tell that to the New Yorkers who were there on 9/11.

Tell that to the dead firemen.

Tell that to the hordes of people running from the rolling ash and smoke.

Tell that to the grieving families.

263 soccerdad  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:54:20am

re: #256 Jason

Perhaps we can do something to provoke the Ukraine into a war? And then immediately surrender? I would be happy to have them occupy the USA as long as they like.

I call it -- I get frisked first.

264 exredtory  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 11:56:32am

Anarchists want anarchy, it's that simple.

265 arf  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:04:17pm

One of those posts with all the wars America has engaged in.

It occurred to me. If you made up one like that with, say, France, England, Germany, Spain, what would it look like compared to the USA? I would guess as large if not larger.

266 DoesNotMatter  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:06:16pm

That's why they're so down on border control

/rimshot

Sorry had to.

As usual words fail.

267 nikis-knight  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:14:57pm

re: #227 mrkwong

I would like to think that being invaded would make us unbelievably nasty and violent toward the invaders, but one has to think that if you scratch a Kossack you find a Quisling.

If you scratch a Kossack, you probably catch something nasty.

268 Brees  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:17:50pm

Let us see here. America needs to be invaded?

Umm. Think that has already happened KosKidz! Illegals (which includes "islamofacists") are already here.

This country is invaded at birth by whiny, conspiracy liberals ta boot!

269 Mortis  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:21:37pm

Can we question their patriotism YET?!?

270 bulldog1967  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:29:10pm

I have NO doubt that the KosKids would be the new Fedayeen if this were to happen.

Useful idiots.

271 Mr Scientist  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:29:49pm

if America was invaded by a muslim country, which then became an occupying force, would they side with the muslims, or the occupied peoples?

i think their heads would explode trying to work it out

272 grumpy old codger  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:42:49pm

re: #240 maddogg
Even the reference to comtemporary France falls on it's face for the KOS kids. France has it's Force du Frappe and has stated that's it willing to use it. Also, the French are still using their paras and the Legion to "advise" local governments. Tchad is a prime example.
Or, perhaps, it's just an illustration of KOS' lack of knowledge of history and facts.

273 rob.schmitt  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:44:47pm

"invading another country is unconscionable except in the most dire circumstances - which means after that country has directly attacked the United States. And that has not happened since World War II."

Well, he does have a point. During WWII the U.S. invaded France after they bombed Pearl Harbor. No, wait... We invaded Italy because they were the ones who bombed Pearl Harbor. Wait, it was Belgium who bombed Pearl Harbor, or maybe Lichtenstein. Actually, everybody knows that it was Germany. They wanted to kill all those Jews in Hawaii.
/ If I'd only had a Marxist as a history professor, I would have realized this immediately!

274 Grafted  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:45:06pm

I'm just surprised (and pleased) at the negative reactions to this diary by the other Koskooks.

At least some of them see the idiocy of it. But they also realize that the incredible cushy lives they live would be in jeopardy if we were invaded and occupied (good luck to anyone would be so insane as to try.) I just wish they realized how much jeopardy would come to their cushy lives if even half of liberal thought became policy in America.

275 Strike Hornet  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:51:17pm

re: #40 Sol Roth

Gee, The Daily Marxist advocates invasion of the USA by its enemies, the killing of Americans in their own homes.

Ho-hum. It's just another day for the Left.

It won't be too bad of an invasion/occupation because I'm sure the Kos Kidz would insist that the ACLU demand strict ROE's for the invaders/occupiers? And of course we would be in very fine confinement quarters with Bibles, and prayer time and lawyers and we wouldn't have to worry about Waterboarding...right?

276 londonpride  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:54:08pm

Well Koslings by your reasoning Russia and China would be model member states of the world community...

/whoops - got a plan B koslings?

277 Hard Right  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 1:16:32pm

re: #14 daughter of patriots

Can we question their patriotism, now?

I question their sanity and will to live.

278 crojak  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 1:38:54pm

Didn't work with the Confederacy. Southerners aren't pacifists. And that really was exactly what the Kos diarist is describing- a brutal war followed by an occupation.

So, yes, Americans have gone through that (and the South brought it on itself) and the effects were not what he is describing.

Not to mention there are a lot of other brutally occupied places that are not very pacified. Even the Tibetans are revolting.

279 TallDave  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 1:45:44pm

Ironically, 62% of Iraqis think invading their country was right.

[Link: www.deanesmay.com...]

Maybe America need to be ruled by a vicious despot like Saddam Hussein, so we can understand why sometimes being liberated by a foreign power is a blessing.

280 A.W.  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 2:13:49pm

talldave...

gmta... see my post above.

281 ButtTroll  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:08:32pm

re: #278 crojak

ROFLMAO i thought this article was a joke omfg are they crazy...like ya said look at the south.yes take americas nukes away invade us well kill ever man you send then well build up our country again use the tactics weve learned from fighting you...come to your country.or maybe well show you what the japs went threw before we had the nuke.napalm does wonders to buildings,dogs,infestructure...ppl...

282 ButtTroll  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:10:41pm

oh yea another thing.what if because of said occupation you accualy saw a christan fundamentalism sweep across america?

283 Psicattus  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:12:19pm

Invade and occupy the US.

You'd have to do it with a staggeringly huge multinational force. Several of them in fact. And it would be a staggeringly expensive war, and -none- of the Invaders could count on having strategic impunity.

Patriotism is a natural defense mechanism for a society or nation. I don't think it wise for the world to poke this very tolerant bear

284 rakkasan  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:32:33pm

To be fair, as sophomoric and infantile as the diarist appears to be, I was surprised at how many of the commenters over there actually took an adult approach in castigating "Professorfate" for his stupidity. You know, it could be that the Dem primary has opened up a few eyes as to the insanity that has been growing like mold over on that side of the political divide. Just maybe...

285 diminuendo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:46:26pm

The day Saddam Hussein is our leader, I would welcome the invasion.

286 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:55:18pm

On the subject of an invasion on American soil, I must submit one of my favorite quotes:

“A John Wayne movie,” I said. “That’s what you [Europeans] were going to say, wasn’t it? We think war is a John Wayne movie. We think life is a John Wayne movie—with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You’re right. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They’re us. WE BE BAD.

“We’re the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We’re three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother’s side. You take your Germany, France and Spain, roll them all together and it won’t give us room to park our cars. We’re the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d’Antibes. And we’ve got an American Express card credit limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.

You say our country’s never been invaded? You’re right, little buddy. Because I’d like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who’d have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying ‘Cheerio.’ Hell can’t hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer and buy more things than you know the names of. I’d rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than king, queen and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little countries like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.” - P.J. O'Rourke

287 diminuendo  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:01:08pm

Maybe it would be better if the rest of the world tried living in a state of peace and security like we have here. I mean come on...our president lives in a modest house, and has to go lecture to businesses after he retires for money. How many lectures do you think Gaddafi is going to be doing every year after he leaves office? Oh wait, he is never going to leave office. I will not apologize for having the coolest country in the world. Kos kids should just get the fuck out.

288 the_flying_pig  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:01:29pm

Hating America should be classified as a hate crime and I hope that professorf*ckup should be strung up, jailed and sentenced for the hate-America crime.

Disgustingly stupid that guy is.

289 markie  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:29:42pm

Obviously no history majors in that asylum. I'm not sure, but I think it was Yamamoto that said:

You can not invade America. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

Collaborators would be in dire peril also, I believe.

290 Syrah  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:19:59pm

re: #19 vtsurgeon

Somehow, I just do not believe that invasion and occupation would strengthen the pacifist side of my personality.

I just cannot think like these guys.

That is because you are Human.

They do not have that advantage.

291 Syrah  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:35:46pm

re: #284 rakkasan

To be fair, as sophomoric and infantile as the diarist appears to be, I was surprised at how many of the commenters over there actually took an adult approach in castigating "Professorfate" for his stupidity. You know, it could be that the Dem primary has opened up a few eyes as to the insanity that has been growing like mold over on that side of the political divide. Just maybe...

Or it could be that the old restraints on the left that would have prevented "professorfate" from being considered anything but a sick and demented loon too goofy to even be participant in public discourse on the behest of the left, have been loosed in their entirety.

There is no thought or opinion from the left that is too extreme, or beyond the pale. Any Cheney thread with comments on any leftist website is proof enough of that. "professorfate" is just another of that type of mindset on a different subject.

The left, as exemplified by that Kos-Diarist, has become a caricature of itself.

292 Tangonine  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:51:15pm

Prayer:

Please Dear God,

Let these idiots try to occupy my land. I need the target practice.

Amen.

293 Tangonine  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:53:38pm

re: #286 Slumbering Behemoth

On the subject of an invasion on American soil, I must submit one of my favorite quotes:

“A John Wayne movie,” I said. “That’s what you [Europeans] were going to say, wasn’t it? We think war is a John Wayne movie. We think life is a John Wayne movie—with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You’re right. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They’re us. WE BE BAD.

“We’re the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We’re three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother’s side. You take your Germany, France and Spain, roll them all together and it won’t give us room to park our cars. We’re the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d’Antibes. And we’ve got an American Express card credit limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.

You say our country’s never been invaded? You’re right, little buddy. Because I’d like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who’d have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying ‘Cheerio.’ Hell can’t hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer and buy more things than you know the names of. I’d rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than king, queen and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little countries like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.” - P.J. O'Rourke

- perfect

294 cagirl  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:13:54pm

We have been the beneficiaries of the heroes who fought and died so that our country would not be invaded. I visited the grave of my uncle in the Lorraine American Cemetery in France. The graves go on for acres and acres in this beautiful place. Once you have seen this, you understand how blessed we are by the sacrifices of our countryfolk. How incredibly juvenile and naive to say that we should be invaded. Our families have paid the price many times over.

295 Split level Head  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:28:28pm
at least the American public will understand why invading another country is unconscionable except in the most dire circumstances - which means after that country has directly attacked the United States. And that has not happened since World War II.

Here's a clue, moron. It never happened before WW2 either.

296 nadadhimmi  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:01:19pm

If these silly asses want to hurt themselves due to a deep self loathing, let them cut their wrists in the bathroom with razor blades. I won't allow them to harm my kids to satisfy their pathological desires for self mutilation, the crazy fucks. Doc

297 rp1138  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:56:09pm

re: #95 Rain Patriot

Oh... that would be an...

Amusing faceoff.

I can just picture it: a squadron of UN tanks rolls into South Central Los Angeles, never to be heard from again. Except maybe, every so often, you might encounter a low-rider with a bullet-holed, sky blue Kevlar helmet positioned as a hood ornament.

"I'm Leonard Nimoy, In Search Of... The Lost UN Convoy."

Queue "In Search Of" theme song.

298 ButtTroll  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:03:09pm

LOL a battalion of caliphate infantry steep into a forest in tennessee with a aljezzera crew 2 months later a camera is found with documentary blair witch style at the end...you hear a banjo

299 Spiny Norman  Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:39:49pm
...you hear a banjo

Followed by a "Hey Achmed, allah ackbar this!"

300 Jim C.  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:04:59am

These people are evil. There's no other word. Evil.

For the evil they knowingly do, may God damn them to eternal hell.

301 Yashmak  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 7:30:09am

"As a nation the United States no longer has the remotest idea about what it really feels like to be part of a war zone. Americans have lost the empathy that is necessary to make an informed, meaningful, compassionate decision about whether or not war should be waged."

I think we need to be invaded too, but for a different reason. We have no idea, as a nation, what it means to have to struggle for what we have. Indeed, we've lost that important aspect of our foreign policy knowledge, to the point that folks like this writer can no longer place these things in perspective. Instead, we now breed new generations that think everything always comes easy, and you shouldn't have to fight for anything. . .it should be handed to us on a silver platter. If we'd been fighting WWII with the mindset this nation has now, we'd have had protestors at recruiting stations arguing that FDR was a warmonger.

302 Behead Me Bob  Wed, Mar 19, 2008 5:51:16am

If people studied the basics of history, they wouldn't think like this.


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