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Mahmoud Abbas Awards Highest Medal to Sbarro Mass Murderer

Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:02:12 am PDT

“Moderate” Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas’s latest gesture of good will to advance the peace process: Abbas To Award PA’s Highest Medal To Hamas Terrorist Responsible For Sbarro Massacre.

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1 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:03:13am

"Now c'mon..."

2 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:03:55am

Lets give them a country!

3 vagabond trader  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:04:48am

The PA has a medal? Kind of like the ones Idi Amin used to sport? Pathetic.

4 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:05:02am

There must be something in the air over there this week. Abbas and Jimmah- perfect together! Just when you think it is not humanly possible for anyone to sink any lower, they prove you wrong.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:05:03am

Now if only Israel would follow the road map...

6 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:05:44am

Has anyone told Condoleeza Rice about this?

7 Roentgen  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:05:53am

LGF: Now with 60% evil!

8 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:03am

this is just insane! I feel like I am stuck in a bad movie or something. when is the punch line? is it April Fools day again?!?!?!?

9 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:07am

And this is Bush and Condi's "partner in peace"?

Spit!

10 onslow  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:14am

Did anyone tell Condi?

11 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:28am

I saw the "T word" in the headline, so I knew the link wasn't to a responsible, mainstream newspaper.

12 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:29am

Can we give them a state. And, send Condi to negotiate with them. (They are moderates....)

13 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:37am

re: #6 MandyManners

Has anyone told Condoleeza Rice about this?

She was probably on the nominating committee.

14 Peacekeeper  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:06:51am

Rest in pieces you fuck.

15 theheat  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:08:01am

I only wish it was possible to send more money their way.

Bush, are you listening? They need more money!

16 Golem Akbar  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:08:29am

Well okay then. The Palestinians are legit and deserve all the land they want...(do I need /////?).

17 Ornery Ballsack  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:08:37am

I hope there is a "work accident" at one of the ubiquitous Pali "medal shops".

18 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:09:08am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

There must be something in the air over there this week. Abbas and Jimmah- perfect together! Just when you think it is not humanly possible for anyone to sink any lower, they prove you wrong.

Just in time for Passover.

What a stunning coincidence.

/not really.

19 rwmofo  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:09:39am

...and Jimmah Carter was just fixin' to hug him.

20 Sizzlack  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:09:58am

Giving awards to scumbags who blow up completely innocent people eating pizza minding their own business is truly mind blowing.

Next up is the Citizen of the Year award to the Gaza Strip Rapist.

21 Shug  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:10:24am

COEXIST!

22 Golem Akbar  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:10:30am

re: #7 Roentgen

LGF: Now with 60% evil!


[how about this?] The New and Improved LGF: Now with 60% evil.

23 Kefirah  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:10:44am

gee. guess that illusion of moderation in the palestinian government has now been shattered.

oh, wait - you mean the MSM won't report this? because it will rain on their moonbat parade?

American support for a terrorist regime: $10 million
gold for a medal lauding the Sbarro massacre: $3,000
money to buy off Hamas thugs to serve as Jimmah's security: $15,000

making American look like a nation of dhimmis?

priceless.

24 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:10:49am

re: #6 MandyManners

Has anyone told Condoleeza Rice about this?

Send her a pizza.

25 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:10:52am

Aarghhh!

26 jviper5  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:12:12am

100% Evil!

27 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:12:23am

In a related story, Liberal Jews ( who for the record I bet have never been in Israel) have started a new political action front to compete with AIPAC which they contend is both dominated by Neocons ( thank-you) and not interested enough in pushing the "road map to peace" forward. They feel Israel is missing the opportunity to negotiate with such a fine chap as Abbas. Pardon me while I spit and cuse!

28 MarkX  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:12:43am

Will Jimmy assist?

29 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:12:44am

Charles, couldn't the tag cloud on an article page, relate to just the posts on that thread? Have to keep recalculating it, I guess.

30 ROPMA  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:12:44am

re: #20 Sizzlack

Giving awards to scumbags who blow up completely innocent people eating pizza minding their own business is truly mind blowing.

Next up is the Citizen of the Year award to the Gaza Strip Rapist.

You know they have really hit rock bottom.

31 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:13:13am

We enable this in our coddling of thee vermin...

Jimmy Carter adds legitimacy to Hamas. Rice and Bush add legitimacy to Fatah...

It's insanity, right?

32 Shug  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:13:15am
the Al Kuds Mark of Honor

Totally false advertising to say that they have anything to do with Honor

33 ModerateWolverine  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:13:54am

Complete madness. Terrorists giving terrorists recognition and we have an ex president hugging them. It's like some sort of twisted episode of the twilight zone.

34 Kefirah  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:14:10am

re: #27 Nevergiveup

saw that in the jewish week. "J-Street Project," is its name.

enjoy.

35 Ornery Ballsack  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:14:17am

What makes this interesting is that this can't be pushed off on an "offshoot splinter group" or "one of the militias loosely affiliated with Fatah". This is "our" guy. The "good" terrorist.

36 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:14:48am

I have (2) .223 Remington medals I would want to award these Palestinian murderers with if they were still alive...

37 Oingo Boingo  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:15:00am

I wonder what ol' Jimmah would be "thinking" if he'da got caught up in one of those blasts?

38 Daisy  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:16:36am

Murder/Suicide w/Award medals - the Arab-Olympics.

39 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:16:37am

re: #34 Kefirah

saw that in the jewish week. "J-Street Project," is its name.

enjoy.

Thanks. that is J as in jerk off right?

40 Roentgen  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:16:46am

Damn splodidope.

41 vagabond trader  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:16:51am

Someone has to say it.Thanks President Bush and Condi.Thanks for lending these morons an air of legitimacy.

42 Golem Akbar  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:17:02am

Gaza is where they sometimes engage in using children as suicide bombers. Now, I don't want to make a big deal out of this, but, how does anyone, whether they are an ex-president or the head of the UN, give these guys praise?

43 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:17:36am

re: #37 Oingo Boingo

I wonder what ol' Jimmah would be "thinking" if he'da got caught up in one of those blasts?

I don't wish that. Just think of those poor secret service guys with him.

44 mean Gene  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:18:00am

How many Gaza schools and streets have been named after this piece of dirt?

45 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:18:08am

Yeah, sorry Jimmah couldn't be there for the ceremony.

46 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:18:13am
Abbas To Award PA’s Highest Medal To Hamas Terrorist

What you reward, you get more of.

What you punish, you get less of.

47 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:18:26am

It seems to me, as an interested outside observer, that the modern-day equivalent of Pharaoh is a trifecta of:

1. The Saudi-fellating U.S. State Department.
2. Saudi- and Iranian-backed terrorist groups and their leftist PR fronts.
3. Israel's own government.

I would ask Almighty G-d that these misguided idiots and/or spawn of Amalek be brought to justice in a swift, stunning, and spectacular manner. Preferably in a way that leaves very little doubt about the origins or meaning of the justice-bringing... Know what I mean?

That's a tall order, but it never hurts to ask.

48 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:18:40am

So, will the terrorists wear 'em on their salad plates and will they get excoriated for wearing too much bling when they appear before Azmodeus at the annual terrorist roast?

49 Kefirah  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:18:55am

re: #47 Pawn of the Oppressor

dayenu.

50 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:19:08am

re: #37 Oingo Boingo

Jimmah would say the Jews did it, helped by neo-cons in America. And the MSM would report his claims as facts, uncritically.

51 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:20:05am

Is Rabbit Bait going to present the medal to proud family?

52 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:20:15am

re: #41 vagabond trader

Someone has to say it.Thanks President Bush and Condi.Thanks for lending these morons an air of legitimacy.

I am not particularly thrilled some of the things The President and Condi have said about Fatah, but unfortunately they had legitimacy in the eyes of the world long before Bush. I contribute some of it to anti-semitic thought but most of it to lazy intellectual mush.

53 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:20:37am

re: #41 vagabond trader

Someone has to say it.Thanks President Bush and Condi.Thanks for lending these morons an air of legitimacy.

Lending? Hell's bells. They didn't lend them an air of legitimacy, the put a darned seal of legitimacy on these monsters.

54 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:20:42am

re: #3 vagabond trader

The PA has a medal? Kind of like the ones Idi Amin used to sport? Pathetic.

Seriously - how can a non-country have medals of honor? Although I do find it slightly amusing that taking down a pizzeria is considered heroic in their "culture". No wonder they get pasted in the increasingly rare instances they try to take on the Israelis in a straight fight.

55 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:20:46am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if only Israel would follow the road map...

All bridges to the future have been blown up by the PA and hamass.

56 rightwinger3  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:20:49am

True heroes in the USA get medals for saving their buddies by jumping on grenades. Asswipes in Gaza get medals for killing people by being grenades. What kind of backwards ass fuckheads are these people?

57 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:22:15am
Ahlam Tamimi, a Hamas affiliate serving a life sentence for driving the suicide bomber who exploded himself in the Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem, killing at least half a dozen people, including a whole family and Amra Muna, who seduced Ophir Rahum over the Internet and then lured him to Ramallah where he was murdered, will both be awarded the medal.


The female recipients are still living.

58 vagabond trader  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:22:21am

re: #52 Nevergiveup
re: #52 Nevergiveup

Nope, not giving the lame duck and his sidekick a pass on this one either.How many weapons and dollars did they recently give Abbas?

59 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:23:05am

re: #56 rightwinger3

True heroes in the USA get medals for saving their buddies by jumping on grenades. Asswipes in Gaza get medals for killing people by being grenades. What kind of backwards ass fuckheads are these people?

Personally I think "backwards ass fucks" flows of the tongue better, but why quibble?

60 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:23:14am

re: #56 rightwinger3

True heroes in the USA get medals for saving their buddies by jumping on grenades. Asswipes in Gaza get medals for killing people by being grenades. What kind of backwards ass fuckheads are these people?

Followers of Mohammed's literal example.

May calamity be upon the heads of false prohpets and their rabid followers everywhere.

61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:24:06am

re: #56 rightwinger3

What kind of backwards ass fuckheads are these people?

Muslims

62 vagabond trader  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:24:52am

And btw, when the hell is Israel going to get rid of these appeasers running their country.Long overdue.

63 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:24:53am

re: #58 vagabond trader

re: #52 Nevergiveup

Nope, not giving the lame duck and his sidekick a pass on this one either.How many weapons and dollars did they recently give Abbas?

Much to much, but if McCain isn't living in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue next Year, you ain't seen nothing yet!

64 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:25:05am

Just curious, was Jimmy in attendance when he handed out this medal & does it come with peanut clusters?

65 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:25:19am

Not quite OT:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Typical BBC headline ... and skewed reporting: Hamas ambush IDF soldiers, kill trhee, and its of course Israel who should enver ever even think of retaliating ... and killing a Reuters cameraman, too.


But yeah, giv'em all medals, why not!

66 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #39 Nevergiveup

Thanks. that is J as in jerk off right?

J as in Just Jumpin through hoops for the anti-Jews.

67 Ornery Ballsack  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:25:57am

re: #59 Nevergiveup

Because words mean something. I think fuckwad or fucktard fits nicely.

68 vagabond trader  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:26:17am

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Oh yeah, well aware of that!Amazing how ANY Jew could vote for either democrap.

69 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:27:04am

Rabbit Bait's a genius.

When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that's the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.
70 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:27:19am

re: #64 Kenneth

Just curious, was Jimmy in attendance when he handed out this medal & does it come with peanut clusters?

is there caramel in the cluster or just chocolate?

71 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:27:46am

re: #53 galloping granny

You almost wonder what's next... does the White House start to bleat about the urgent need for independence for Chechnya?

And how about independence for the Uighurs in Western China?

And then independence for Kashmiris in disputed Kashmir, followed by independence for Southern Thailand or the Southern Philippines?

How about a breakaway Muslim republic of New Jersey? Should they get independence, too?

72 joshdadmn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:28:02am

What's the chance we can revoke Jimmah's visa? If he loves those bastards so much he can stay there. Better yet, revoke his citizenship. It's better than what happened to Benedict Arnold.

/f***ing moron

73 Shug  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:28:07am

re: #70 Eowyn2

is there caramel in the cluster or just chocolate?

I wish we'd hand out cluster bombs

74 rightwinger3  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:28:26am

re: #60 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It is truly awe-inspiring how much the oppressed palistinians get away with. Unreal really. Let's give them a state!

75 Whammo  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:28:35am

You know, when examining peoples' motives for what they do, I think too often we choose to label them stupid rather than evil. Stupid is somehow easier to swallow.

I am talking about Condi and the Americans that support this barbaric "peace process". I cannot bring myself to believe they are this patently stupid, so they must be evil.

God help us.

76 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:28:41am

re: #60 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yes. Interesting.
Their "heroes" imitate Mo......No greater hate.....
Our heroes imitate Jesus...."No greater love...."

77 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:28:54am

I have a permanent Palestinian migraine. The very word, triggers it.

78 abu lahab  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:29:00am

How much evil does that score on " Roy Edroso scale™ " ? Right! Zero.
Because leftists never see beyond their noses.

79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:29:03am

re: #74 rightwinger3

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It is truly awe-inspiring how much the oppressed palistinians get away with. Unreal really. Let's give them a state!

Would decomposing count as a state?

80 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:29:16am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

And this is Bush and Condi's "partner in peace"?

Why yes, yes he is!

81 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:29:44am

re: #71 firebreather

You almost wonder what's next... does the White House start to bleat about the urgent need for independence for Chechnya?

And how about independence for the Uighurs in Western China?

And then independence for Kashmiris in disputed Kashmir, followed by independence for Southern Thailand or the Southern Philippines?

How about a breakaway Muslim republic of New Jersey? Should they get independence, too?

Well I don't know about all the others, but since I live in NJ- hell give it to them. I'll move. Let them fix the roads, the school systems, and pick up the garbage. Their doing such a fine job in Gaza.

82 Alouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:30:19am

re: #32 Shug

Totally false advertising to say that they have anything to do with Honor

Well, they do commit "Honor Killings"

83 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:30:31am

re: #69 jcm

Rabbit Bait's a genius.

Carter said he understood the pressures on the presidential candidates to release statements critical of his meetings with Hamas. "I forgive them all and I understand their motivations," he said

How positively ecumenical of him. The benign EX-President forgives the prospective future presidents for their critical remarks.

84 DownRightMeanAmerican  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:30:47am

I say we give them a state, the state of Georgia that is.

That would be just peachy.

85 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:31:20am

re: #71 firebreather

You almost wonder what's next... does the White House start to bleat about the urgent need for independence for Chechnya?

And how about independence for the Uighurs in Western China?

And then independence for Kashmiris in disputed Kashmir, followed by independence for Southern Thailand or the Southern Philippines?

How about a breakaway Muslim republic of New Jersey? Should they get independence, too?

They dont want Jersey. They want West Virginia.

86 rightwinger3  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:31:25am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would decomposing count as a state?

Yes. Yes it does.

87 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:31:28am

re: #19 rwmofo

...and Jimmah Carter was just fixin' to hug him.

He'll probably get to present the 'medal'.

88 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:31:42am

re: #33 ModerateWolverine

Complete madness. Terrorists giving terrorists recognition and we have an ex president hugging them. It's like some sort of twisted episode of the twilight zone.

* * *
That was an ex president who was FIRED by the American people for gross incompetence in the face of terrorists.

Not surprisingly, JDhimmy Carter is fonder of them than of those who FIRED him.

89 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:31:57am

re: #69 jcm

Rabbit Bait's a genius.

Do we need to buy him a dictionary?

90 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:32:17am

re: #82 Alouette

Well, they do commit "Honor Killings"

It is hard to argue with reason. Of course I started drinking an hour ago. Getting ready for the baseball game tonight. I am not driving.

91 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:32:47am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would decomposing count as a state?

no there are only three states and they do not include decomposing. That would be "in transition"

92 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:32:50am

re: #81 Nevergiveup

Still plenty of red states for you to choose from if NJ goes separatist/Sha'ria.

93 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:32:56am

re: #71 firebreather

You almost wonder what's next... does the White House start to bleat about the urgent need for independence for Chechnya?

And how about independence for the Uighurs in Western China?

And then independence for Kashmiris in disputed Kashmir, followed by independence for Southern Thailand or the Southern Philippines?

How about a breakaway Muslim republic of New Jersey? Should they get independence, too?

I don't notice them giving the Kurds any independence. I don't think it has to do with independence for anyone, least of all the palestinians. All this crap has to do with reining in Israel and putting Israel into a position where the next time the entire muslim world comes to push them all into the sea that is just what will happen.

I don't know why Washington has sold Israel down the tubes, but it has been obvious that they have for a couple of years now. We're just watching a show. And I, for one, find it infuriating.

94 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:33:09am

Meanwhile, the Pope said "God Bless America."

That's a spiritual mentor to be proud of.

95 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:33:23am

re: #89 Silhouette

Do we need to buy him a dictionary?

No but maybe a muzzle.

96 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:33:24am

re: #69 jcm

Rabbit Bait's a genius.

That quote says more about Carter's ideological derangement than anything else.
The man truly has a totalitarian mind.

I would like to see that carved on the facade of the Carter Center.
Do we have any stone-carvers here?

97 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:33:45am

Someone send Abbas a pepperoni and sausage pizza, with the toppings arranged in the shape of Mohammed with a bomb turban.

98 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:34:21am

re: #75 Whammo

You know, when examining peoples' motives for what they do, I think too often we choose to label them stupid rather than evil. Stupid is somehow easier to swallow.

I am talking about Condi and the Americans that support this barbaric "peace process". I cannot bring myself to believe they are this patently stupid, so they must be evil.

God help us.


the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

99 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:34:50am

re: #92 firebreather

Still plenty of red states for you to choose from if NJ goes separatist/Sha'ria.

I am growing fond of southern accents. So I think a southern state with a nice big naval base.

100 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:35:07am

re: #28 MarkX

Will Jimmy assist?

Jimmy will probably be awarded the Dhimmi of the Year Award.

101 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:35:12am

re: #75 Whammo

You know, when examining peoples' motives for what they do, I think too often we choose to label them stupid rather than evil. Stupid is somehow easier to swallow.

I am talking about Condi and the Americans that support this barbaric "peace process". I cannot bring myself to believe they are this patently stupid, so they must be evil.

God help us.

Exactly. I am sorely afraid that when we want to try to understand the motives and actions that led to the Holocaust, all we really need to do is look around us at all the people doing their darndest to make sure that Israel "goes along to get along."

102 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:35:36am

re: #99 Nevergiveup

I am growing fond of southern accents. So I think a southern state with a nice big naval base.

Tallahassee

103 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:35:39am

re: #99 Nevergiveup

I am growing fond of southern accents. So I think a southern state with a nice big naval base.

I think that's all of them except maybe TN and AK.

104 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:36:05am

re: #93 galloping granny


Washington pols don't know a Turd from a Shiite.

105 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:37:28am

re: #103 Silhouette

I think that's all of them except maybe TN and AK.


AR not AK? AK isn't really southern.

106 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:37:48am

I don't know about you, but I'm never voting for a Peace Candidate--all they achieve is the slaughter of innocents.

Warmongering President McCain supports AIPAC and Israel, not jihadists.

No Surrender, No Peace

107 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:37:55am

Charles,

I know you banned Carter from getting another Fiskie because he won it previously (it's in the Fiskie rules). I think his latest exhortations and actions qualify for a review of that policy.

108 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:38:04am

re: #103 Silhouette

I think that's all of them except maybe TN and AK.

Well Virginia has Norfolk.

109 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:38:51am

re: #2 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No, only a state, maybe Vermont?

110 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:07am

The problem of terrorism trials in civilian courts....
Judge declares mistrial in 'Liberty City 7' terrorism case

A judge has declared a mistrial in the retrial of six men accused of plotting terrorist acts with al Qaeda.

The decision comes after 13 days of deliberation and marks the second time government prosecutors have failed to convince a jury that the six defendants were guilty of terror-related charges.

It is unclear whether the government will pursue a third trial against the defendants.

111 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:11am

re: #105 zmdavid

AR not AK? AK isn't really southern.


Darn it, I knew I was messing that up when I typed it, but frankly I was too lazy to check it.

112 DownRightMeanAmerican  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:16am

Same Shi’ite, different mosque.

113 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #106 alegrias

I don't know about you, but I'm never voting for a Peace Candidate--all they achieve is the slaughter of innocents.

Warmongering President McCain supports AIPAC and Israel, not jihadists.

No Surrender, No Peace

Those words could have come out of my mouth. In fact they often do.

114 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:38am

re: #83 Eowyn2

Carter said he understood the pressures on the presidential candidates to release statements critical of his meetings with Hamas. "I forgive them all and I understand their motivations," he said

How positively ecumenical of him. The benign EX-President forgives the prospective future presidents for their critical remarks.

I forgive them?
Criticizing Jimmy's actions is a sin?
He really believes this.
It's not just condescension.
I see the hand of Stan.

115 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:50am

re: #105 zmdavid

AR not AK? AK isn't really southern.

It is if you live in the North Pole.

116 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:39:58am

re: #94 alegrias

"God Bless America?"

Isn't that hate speech against the perennially aggrieved transgendered & American Muslim communities?

117 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:40:16am

re: #94 alegrias

Meanwhile, the Pope said "God Bless America."

That's a spiritual mentor to be proud of.

The Pope is a pretty smart guy. Thank God.

In all of the masses I have sat through, I really can't remember a single priest who spouted "God Damn America" or ranted about how bad this country is. The closest I ever heard was that of a priest whose homily was that there are people in the world who are trying to destroy Christianity and the Judeo-Christian theology. The People were nameless.

I hope the Pope says a public prayer for Bill Maher. that would be such a crushing reply.

118 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:40:25am

re: #116 firebreather

"God Bless America?"

Isn't that hate speech against the perennially aggrieved transgendered & American Muslim communities?

Or when you speak to Jeremiah Wright.

119 AZDave  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:40:32am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

There must be something in the air over there this week. Abbas and Jimmah- perfect together! Just when you think it is not humanly possible for anyone to sink any lower, they prove you wrong.

Let's face it, these people have no place to go but down.

120 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:40:59am

But there are Naval sites in TN. I once got assigned to work on a Navy project there. I was confused for a sec. Turned out to be a weapons plant.

121 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:41:06am

re: #105 zmdavid

AR not AK? AK isn't really southern.

but it has a large naval base

122 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:41:20am

The AMerican/Euro MSM will not run this story.

The ISraeli press will.

Then the American/Euro MSM will talk above Israeli's heads, come up with all these theories on why the Israelis "don't want peace."

123 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:41:44am

re: #107 lawhawk

Charles,

I know you banned Carter from getting another Fiskie because he won it previously (it's in the Fiskie rules). I think his latest exhortations and actions qualify for a review of that policy.

Since Jimmy Carter has already won one, perhaps this one could go to Dhimmi Carter.

124 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:41:45am

I'm sure Abbas would love my take on what Carter would propose for a peace plan. Reprinted from yesterday, but I think it is worth a reprint:

Carter, Mashaal Announce Plan for Mideast Peace

Damascus. (CNN – Caliphate-Nazi News)

Former President Jimmy Carter and Hamas Leader Khaled Mashaal announced the final solution for Mideast peace. Hamas and Syria have agreed to recognize the state of Israel, after Carter's plan is put into motion.

The plan involves the Israeli government being taken over by the UN and the US State Department. “This is the culmination of all the years of my presidency,” the Nobel Peace Prize winner Carter said. “We all agree the problem that is preventing peace in the Mideast is that Israel is run by Jews; therefore, by replacing their government with one that is willing to understand the concerns of their neighbors, there will be peace.”

The Jews will still have rights to a homeland, but they will be concentrated in the Negev. “The Jews were able to make the desert bloom, so they should be quite comfortable in the camps that will be constructed there,” said former President Carter.

Reaction from world leaders was strong approval.

US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice said “I salute former President Carter for his effort, and look forward to my new position as Prime Minister of Israel.” She then left just as the Israeli press arrived, having been forced to enter through the back door.

Barack Obama cheered the result. “I have known for 20 years that a solution like this was needed; finally there will be peace. I have offered former President Carter the position of Secretary of State, when I win the election.” He also said that he would now go under the name B. Hussein Obama.

Hillary Clinton also praised the deal but said “I had almost negotiated this deal, while under rocket fire, but the signed papers disappeared when I went to ask Bill about a stained blue burkha that I found under the desk in the meeting tent.”

John McCain, the Republican nominee for President, said something different, showing he is out of touch with world opinion.

“The UN, the Ummah of Nations, strongly supports this peace treaty.” Secretary General Ban Ki-Moonbat also said, “We have already recognized Mahmoud Abbas as the Israeli ambassador to the UN, and he will be moving in 'as soon as the stench is gone' from the rooms formerly occupied by Jews.”

The president of Iran, Ahmadinejad, said “We welcome this development, but we will not cease in our peaceful nuclear program as long as a single Jew remains alive.”

Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela, also praised the accord. “Venezuela is pleased the world has come to understand the problems of our world. We have started rounding up Venezuelan Jews to send them to the new camps in Israel.”

The Saudi Arabian government issued a statement that “In honor of these historic accords, we will call for a 'free gas' day once they are implemented. We will even give Jews free gas, but of a very special kind.”

Adolph Hitler could not be reached for comment.

125 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:42:03am

re: #85 Eowyn2

They dont want Jersey. They want West Virginia.

They'd last about 2 hours in WVA.
New Jersey's a much easier mark.

126 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:42:54am

re: #123 galloping granny

Since Jimmy Carter has already won one, perhaps this one could go to Dhimmi Carter.

Perhaps we need a super-fiskie?

127 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:43:30am

re: #114 wolfie

I forgive them?
Criticizing Jimmy's actions is a sin?
He really believes this.
It's not just condescension.
I see the hand of Stan.

Or maybe just Stan. Certainly sounds like tremendous delusions of grandeur.

128 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:43:35am

re: #94 alegrias

Meanwhile, the Pope said "God Bless America."

That's a spiritual mentor to be proud of.

A-M-E-N ! :D :D :D

129 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:43:48am

re: #116 firebreather

re: #125 wolfie

They'd last about 2 hours in WVA.
New Jersey's a much easier mark.

* * *
There are mosques in W. Virginia (not almost heaven anymore)

130 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:45:16am

re: #37 Oingo Boingo

You were in the 11th ACR?

131 jamsler  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:45:35am

During WW2, in the death camps this type of Jews were known as 'capos'. When the allies liberated the camps, many of the capos were literally torn limb from limb by the nazi's surviving victims. They paid a high price for selling out their people. re: #27 Nevergiveup

In a related story, Liberal Jews ( who for the record I bet have never been in Israel) have started a new political action front to compete with AIPAC which they contend is both dominated by Neocons ( thank-you) and not interested enough in pushing the "road map to peace" forward. They feel Israel is missing the opportunity to negotiate with such a fine chap as Abbas. Pardon me while I spit and cuse!

132 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:45:51am

"...."God bless America," said Benedict robustly, to cheers from the excited throng.

Click for more information about FOX's coverage of Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. visit.

Click to view the itinerary of Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. trip

The pontiff has said he was looking forward to meeting a "great people and a great church" during his first papal journey to the United States...

133 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:46:21am

re: #107 lawhawk

Charles,

I know you banned Carter from getting another Fiskie because he won it previously (it's in the Fiskie rules). I think his latest exhortations and actions qualify for a review of that policy.

Perhaps a special Al Quds medal ?

134 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:47:29am

re: #125 wolfie

They'd last about 2 hours in WVA.
New Jersey's a much easier mark.

I would think that Jersey would be tough nut to break.

135 scaramouche  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:48:26am

Only one thing left to do--give that Palestinian leader (and Condi/Bush favourite) a Nobel Peace Prize!

136 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:48:36am

re: #114 wolfie

I forgive them?
Criticizing Jimmy's actions is a sin?
He really believes this.
It's not just condescension.
I see the hand of Stan.

I find it frightening.

137 ec marm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:48:37am

re: #110 Killgore Trout
That sucks. Florida juries infested with some disease?

138 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:48:57am

re: #132 alegrias

"...."God bless America," said Benedict robustly, to cheers from the excited throng.

Click for more information about FOX's coverage of Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. visit.

Click to view the itinerary of Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. trip

The pontiff has said he was looking forward to meeting a "great people and a great church" during his first papal journey to the United States...

Just watched his speech at the White House.

Anybody who watchd that, and thinks he's a just nice fluffy old guy, has another think coming ...

139 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:49:07am

re: #103 Silhouette

I think that's all of them except maybe TN and AK.

Millington NAS is near Memphis.

140 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:49:13am

Anyone here remember Djhimmah's answer to a question during a presidential debates about what was foremost in his daughter Amy's thoughts? DJhimmah said little Amy was worried most about nuclear weapons in the world.

Isn't it ironic Iran has nukes BECAUSE of DJhimmah's failure as a president?

141 madisonsfriend  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:49:30am

Al Quds mark of honor= what is that- FGM if you are a woman?

143 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:50:18am

re: #84 DownRightMeanAmerican

I say we give them a state, the state of Georgia that is.

That would be just peachy.

Today Al-Aqsa!

Tomorrow, Alaska!

144 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:50:27am

re: #134 Eowyn2

I would think that Jersey would be tough nut to break.

Why? Remember the Saprano's was just fiction. The days of the strong mafia
are gone with the wind.

145 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:50:51am

Bush and Rice are no less despicable then Carter. Maybe more so.

Carter hugs terrorists. Encourages them. Propagandizes against Israel. He would do worse but he has no power.

Bush and Rice have the power.

Bush and Rice arm them, train them, fund them and support them in their aims to destroy Israel.

The Israeli leaders who go along are insane and corrupt.

146 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:50:57am

re: #109 coquimbojoe

No, only a state, maybe Vermont?

too many gays

147 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:51:14am

re: #114 wolfie

I forgive them?
Criticizing Jimmy's actions is a sin?
He really believes this.
It's not just condescension.
I see the hand of Stan.

He's a flaming malignant narcissist.

148 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #138 yma o hyd

Just watched his speech at the White House.

Anybody who watchd that, and thinks he's a just nice fluffy old guy, has another think coming ...

* * *
Lucky you, I'll have to read Rottweiler Pope Ratzy's speech or catch later... Gut Yontiff to the Pontiff, as Ben Hur explained yesterday, means good holiday. And it IS the Pope's 81st birthday. What a great Veteran he is, still serving honorably.

149 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:51:34am

re: #144 Nevergiveup

Why? Remember the Saprano's was just fiction. The days of the strong mafia
are gone with the wind.

Hasnt it retained any of its old blue collar fortitude?

150 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:52:07am

re: #134 Eowyn2

I would think that Jersey would be tough nut to break.

There are some tough cookies there, for sure!

151 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:52:53am

re: #147 MandyManners


Were you given permission to speak?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Just kidding!

What'd I miss during lunch?!?

152 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:53:33am

re: #27 Nevergiveup

In a related story, Liberal Jews ( who for the record I bet have never been in Israel) have started a new political action front to compete with AIPAC which they contend is both dominated by Neocons ( thank-you) and not interested enough in pushing the "road map to peace" forward. They feel Israel is missing the opportunity to negotiate with such a fine chap as Abbas. Pardon me while I spit and cuse!

It would be interesting to know where the start-up funds for this new group are coming from.

153 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:53:45am

re: #149 Eowyn2

Hasnt it retained any of its old blue collar fortitude?

Pockets here and there. But to many yuppies, and remember the labor movement ( blue collar ) has been bought by the Democrats.

154 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:53:53am

re: #129 alegrias

Had no idea John Denver was a Muslim.

He did die in a plane crash; certainly, that was the work of the Jews w/possible neo-con involvement.

155 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:54:11am
156 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:54:17am

re: #152 Pawn of the Oppressor

It would be interesting to know where the start-up funds for this new group are coming from.

I's start with Soros and go from there.

157 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:54:36am

re: #142 Ben Hur

Iraqi Author 'Aref 'Alwan: The Jews Have an Historic Right to Palestine

Now there is a "moderate muslim" and a "peace partner!" I wonder if they have issued the fatwah yet?

158 antishock8  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:54:43am

What would the asshole over at LGF Watch have to say about this? Let me guess, a little moral relativism?

159 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:54:49am

re: #107 lawhawk

Charles,

I know you banned Carter from getting another Fiskie because he won it previously (it's in the Fiskie rules). I think his latest exhortations and actions qualify for a review of that policy.

I'm thinking along the lines of the first Fiskie Lifetime Achievement Award receipient.

The Fiskie is the Cy Young award, but this is the Hall of Fame.

160 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:55:03am

re: #146 Eowyn2

too many gays

Yeah, Vermont might have a problem with that.

161 Terp Mole  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:55:06am

President Bush awarded the Medal of Freedom to this terrorist in 2002.

Why are we surprised when terrorists immitate our gestures?

162 gmsc  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:55:22am

I can just see the family of the bomber at the award ceremony:

"...but mostly, we'd like to thank Jimmy Carter for his support and encouragement."

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:55:58am

Here we go again....
Cameraman among 20 killed in Gaza clashes

Three Israeli soldiers and 17 Palestinians, one a cameraman for an international news agency, were killed on Wednesday as troops backed by helicopters stormed into the Gaza Strip.

Fadel Shana, 23, a Reuters cameraman, was critically wounded when a missile hit his vehicle in the central Gaza Strip. He died after being taken to hospital, Dr Muawiya Hassanein, the head of Gaza emergency services, told AFP.

An AFP photographer driving behind the Reuters jeep, which had TV and press stickers plastered across its doors and roof, said the vehicle burst into flames after a missile slammed into it.

When a group of photographers rushed to try to rescue their colleague a second missile struck the area, he said.

Two more people were killed in the air strike, medics said. Their identities were not immediately known.


Was he transporting Jihadis in his press vehicle?

164 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:56:02am

re: #145 Opinionated

Bush and Rice are no less despicable then Carter. Maybe more so.

Carter hugs terrorists. Encourages them. Propagandizes against Israel. He would do worse but he has no power.

Bush and Rice have the power.

Bush and Rice arm them, train them, fund them and support them in their aims to destroy Israel.

The Israeli leaders who go along are insane and corrupt.

* * *
Face it, there's plenty Americans who mistakenly think PEACE is achieveable through dhjimmitude. Many Americans demand their leaders aim for peace through peace-talks with your enemy.

I am not one of them. Call me war mongering and unsympathetic to terrorists. I am a minority however.

165 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:57:39am

re: #109 coquimbojoe

No, only a state, maybe Vermont?

Oh No you don't give away my state! Why don't we give them Death Valley?

166 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:58:45am

re: #165 galloping granny

Oh No you don't give away my state! Why don't we give them Death Valley?

I say Massachusetts.

167 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #164 alegrias

Negotiating with someone who has sincere intentions is one thing. ...

As long as those sincere intentions aren't the complete annihilation of the party of the second part.

168 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:04am

re: #164 alegrias

I would call you a realist with a good grasp of history. History will prove us right.

169 steveegg  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:06am

re: #84 DownRightMeanAmerican

I say we give them a state, the state of Georgia that is.

That would be just peachy.


Why give them a state that votes Pubbie and has a missile submarine base? I vote we give them Oregon.

170 firebreather  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:27am

re: #165 galloping granny

Give 'em Berkeley. They can have it. Sha'ria might be an improvement.

171 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:34am

Shame! !

Shame on Charles Johnson!

First he gives us reverse jihad.

Now we get reverse medals for suicide bombers!

Shame!

/VV

172 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:37am

re: #166 wolfie


Give me a ten minute head start for NH.

173 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:48am

Re:163 This isn't the first time Fadel Shana has been mentioned on LGF.....

As noted in our first post about the Reuters vehicle purportedly hit by an Israeli missile (or two Israeli missiles, depending on which news service you read), the wire services were playing games with the identity of the “news agency” that employed Sabbah Hmaida, injured in the incident along with Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana.

Hmaida (alternate spelling: Sabah Hemeida) was reported to be working for: 1) a local news web site, 2) an Arabic network, 3) Palestinian Media Group, and 4) Dubai TV.

I wrote at the time, “I detect the scent of fish.”

Today, Caroline Glick reveals in her column that this “local journalist” actually worked for ... wait for it ... the Iranian World TV network:

174 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 11:59:51am

re: #151 Ben Hur

175 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:00:07pm

But this is perfect! Abbas is just awarding the highest valor that Palestinians can aspire to short of the Nobel Peace Prise. You have to survive your mass murder victims to win that one. Palestinains generally aren't up to that.

The Sbarro's bombing is Palestinianism at it height. It's what they all want. Israel should help them along the way. Blow up as many of them as possible, as quickly as possible.

It is all part of the Peace Process. There will never be Peace unless enough Palestinians are blown up. Israel is slacking.

[/Faster Please]

176 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:00:40pm

re: #166 wolfie

I say Massachusetts.


Nope - that would give them the Cradle of Liberty, the USS Constitution and put them much too close to me. Death Valley is good. Just the environment they are used to and all those loons in California won't mind having them as neighbors.

177 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:00:40pm

You have to admit it would be pretty hilarious.
All the moonbats in Massachusetts who want the Palis to have a state.....
so we let them have theirs.
Bwwwahahahahhhhhaaaaaa

178 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:00:45pm

re: #169 steveegg

Why give them a state that votes Pubbie and has a missile submarine base? I vote we give them Oregon.

Well we could move Georgia's sub base up to Connecticut and make Lieberman the King. It's good to be the King!

179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:01:18pm

Lieberman willing to star at Republican convention

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the Democratic Party’s 2000 vice presidential nominee, is leaving open the possibility of giving a keynote address on behalf of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) at the Republican National Convention in September.

180 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:02:06pm

Oh, no... What is this nonsense about?

PRESIDENT BUSH UNVEILS CLIMATE CHANGE STRATEGY

181 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:02:20pm

re: #178 Nevergiveup

Well we could move Georgia's sub base up to Connecticut and make Lieberman the King. It's good to be the King!

Connecticut already has a sub base.

182 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:03:05pm

re: #164 alegrias

* * *
Face it, there's plenty Americans who mistakenly think PEACE is achieveable through dhjimmitude. Many Americans demand their leaders aim for peace through peace-talks with your enemy.

True. But when Bush ran for re-election in 2004, when many of us trusted him, he specifically ran against Kerry's Dhimmi views.

So he is not just an appeaser. He is a fraud and a liar.

Worse. He may be the only American President ever- past or future- to send Americans to war to fight the same sort of evil he simultaneously then supports.

183 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lieberman willing to star at Republican convention

I think he will only do that if he is convinced the Dems are about to strip him of his seniority and chair of the Homeland Security Committee. We'll see We'll see.

184 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:03:47pm

re: #181 galloping granny

Connecticut already has a sub base.

I know- cheaper to enlarge it then build a new one.

185 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:04:15pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

The Donks hate him because he is a Patriotic American. Period. He's a Liberal on everything else.

He's the last patriot in the Democratic Party. He should turn out the lights, and just leave.

Sounds like he's considering doing just that.

186 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:04:38pm

I say the Palestinian state should be located in Nunavut.

Wait... let me rephrase: Palestinian state? I'll have Nunavut!

187 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:04:55pm

re: #151 Ben Hur

Were you given permission to speak?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Just kidding!

What'd I miss during lunch?!?

Carter's an imbecile
The Pope is cool

Stan stinks

188 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:05:40pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Re:163 This isn't the first time Fadel Shana has been mentioned on LGF.....

Good heavens! He got killed AGAIN? How many times can one cameraman get hit by the IDF? And why, oh why, pray tell does he always seem to be at the wrong place at just the time to get in the way of an IDF strike. I wonder if he is actually himself a terrorist pretending to be a journalist. . . . . . hMMMM.

What is that stink - could it be rotten fish?

189 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:05:53pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Re:163 This isn't the first time Fadel Shana has been mentioned on LGF.....

I bet he's a military advisor from Iran.

190 BuddyG  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:06:12pm

Hope they hang this Gaza Medal around his neck

191 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:06:52pm

re: #189 MandyManners

There's video of the incident, can't find it yet.

192 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:06:59pm

re: #188 galloping granny,

Arafish is dead.

(Couldn't resist. It is soooo thrilling to say it :-)

193 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:08:05pm

Jimmy Carter will be on hand to certify the medal-awarding process.

194 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:08:16pm

re: #180 tfc3rid

Oh, no... What is this nonsense about?

PRESIDENT BUSH UNVEILS CLIMATE CHANGE STRATEGY

* * *
Half the electorate DEMANDS climate change action INSTEAD of beating terrorists, what's a president to do?

We can do guns & butter so libs won't be bitter.

195 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:09:31pm

re: #182 Opinionated

You are not privy to what Bush has to do to keep the world from full on war. When you know all the little things and big things that are necessary to ease world tensions, then you might actually know something.

196 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:10:07pm

re: #194 alegrias

* * *
Half the electorate DEMANDS climate change action INSTEAD of beating terrorists, what's a president to do?

We can do guns & butter so libs won't be bitter.

Haven't you heard? It's only rural Pennsylvanian God-worshipping gun-hugging, anti-immigrant racist hicks that are bitter. Thus sayeth the Obamessiah!

/extreme sarc

197 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:10:08pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout


Effen A.

Or he was in theirs.

198 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:10:22pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

I think he will only do that if he is convinced the Dems are about to strip him of his seniority and chair of the Homeland Security Committee. We'll see We'll see.

* * *
Zell Miller is a democrat with guts who spoke at a republican convention in 2004, and to hell with his whiny fellow dems who don't resemble John Kennedy or Harry Truman.

199 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:10:25pm

President Abbas is a man devoted to peace and to his people's aspirations for a state of their own. And today the Palestinian people are closer to realizing those aspirations.
~GWB

The world must also stand up for peace in the Holy Land. I'm committed to two democratic states -- Israel and Palestine -- living side-by-side in peace and security. I'm committed to a Palestinian state that has territorial integrity and will live peacefully with the Jewish state of Israel. This is the vision set forth in the road map -- and helping the parties reach this goal is one of the great objectives of my presidency. The Palestinian people have suffered from decades of corruption and violence and the daily humiliation of occupation.
~ GWB


We Arm Fatah

200 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:10:58pm

re: #194 alegrias

* * *
Half the electorate DEMANDS climate change action INSTEAD of beating terrorists, what's a president to do?

We can do guns & butter so libs won't be bitter.

It's typical. Just as more evidence surfaces that the data is all wrong and as leading scientific advocates of global warming are admitting they may have been wrong, the President jumps on the bandwagon as it is backing up. Go Figure?

201 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:11:25pm

re: #157 galloping granny

Now there is a "moderate muslim" and a "peace partner!" I wonder if they have issued the fatwah yet?

Would you like friars with that fatwah

202 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:11:27pm

re: #194 alegrias,

The Climate may indeed be changing. It has done so many times before. The shere arrogance of the Climate Change Nuts is that they believe people are causing it.

Big Climate just laughs.

203 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:11:52pm

re: #198 alegrias

* * *
Zell Miller is a democrat with guts who spoke at a republican convention in 2004, and to hell with his whiny fellow dems who don't resemble John Kennedy or Harry Truman.

Did he hold any nationally elected seat at that point?

204 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:12:19pm

Seems like he's shooting for capping greenhouse gas emissions by 2025...

Can we finally invest in Nuke Power?

205 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:12:44pm

Fadel Shana's last pic?...
Yahoo pic

An Israeli tank (top) prepares to fire moments before fatally wounding Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana whilst working in the Gaza Strip April 16, 2008.
(Reuters TV-Fadel Shana/Reuters)

206 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:12:50pm

re: #200 Nevergiveup

It's typical. Just as more evidence surfaces that the data is all wrong and as leading scientific advocates of global warming are admitting they may have been wrong, the President jumps on the bandwagon as it is backing up. Go Figure?

Oh don't worry. One of the best science texts out presents evidence both for and against, some student had a hissy, so now the publisher is rewriting the book and the College Board is rewriting the SAT to reflect only the new religious dogma. To hell with real scientific evidence.

207 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #204 tfc3rid

Seems like he's shooting for capping greenhouse gas emissions by 2025...

Can we finally invest in Nuke Power?

Can we build one in beverly hills?

208 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #196 bunker buster

Haven't you heard? It's only rural Pennsylvanian God-worshipping gun-hugging, anti-immigrant racist hicks that are bitter. Thus sayeth the Obamessiah!

/extreme sarc

* * *
What about all those Pennsylvanians expecting the messiah to hand out "walk around money" so they'll be less bitter about voting?

209 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:14:14pm

This is a "refugee camp."

Rwandan refugee camp in Zaire 1994.

[Link: commons.wikimedia.org...]

Darfur refugee camp in Chad

[Link: commons.wikimedia.org...]

===

This is the Gaza Strip.

[Link: commons.wikimedia.org...]

[Link: newsimg.bbc.co.uk...]

ANYTHING
ELSE?,
R

210 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:14:16pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Fadel Shana's last pic?...
Yahoo pic

I must be going blind. I'll be darned if I see a tank in that pic.

211 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Did he hold any nationally elected seat at that point?


yes he was a Senator then.

212 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

The first sentence precurses the whole article
Three Israeli soldiers and 17 Palestinians,

All Phakistinians are civilians.

Unasked question:
Why is a reuters (or any press) vehicle traveling in the middle of a terrorist convoy?

213 opinionated  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:14:33pm

re: #195 newsjunkie_ky

You are not privy to what Bush has to do to keep the world from full on war. When you know all the little things and big things that are necessary to ease world tensions, then you might actually know something.

Stupid me.

To keep the world from war, Bush has to arm and train and fund and support the barbarians who strive to murder Jews 24/7 and aim to destroy Israel?

If that's the price, your opinion is, Ok then.

214 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:14:39pm

re: #208 alegrias

* * *
What about all those Pennsylvanians expecting the messiah to hand out "walk around money" so they'll be less bitter about voting?

Don't know, Obamessiah didn't mention those...

215 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:03pm

re: #210 galloping granny

I must be going blind. I'll be darned if I see a tank in that pic.

Neither did he I guess...

216 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:04pm

ah, here's Fadel's last pic...
Yahoo pic

An Israeli tank opens fire seconds before fatally wounding Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana whilst working in the Gaza Strip April 16, 2008.
(Reuters TV-Fadel Shana/Reuters)


Incoming!

217 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:06pm

re: #204 tfc3rid

Seems like he's shooting for capping greenhouse gas emissions by 2025...

Can we finally invest in Nuke Power?

Of course not.
Any program to reduce our "carbon footprint" that does not include a massive increase in the use of nuclear power is a complete and utter fraud. Period.
Surreal.

218 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:12pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Fadel Shana's last pic?...
Yahoo pic

The camera made it out unscathed?

219 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:17pm
220 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:30pm

re: #212 Eowyn2

The first sentence precurses the whole article
Three Israeli soldiers and 17 Palestinians,

All Phakistinians are civilians.

Unasked question:
Why is a reuters (or any press) vehicle traveling in the middle of a terrorist convoy?

That was pretty much what the IDF said :)

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:40pm

re: #215 tfc3rid

see 216

222 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:15:53pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout,

If you are looking at that side of a tank, taking pictures shouldn't be the first thing on your mind. Taking cover, OTOH...

223 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:16:46pm

re: #218 Ben Hur

The camera made it out unscathed?

Good point. Here's his car.

224 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:16:53pm

re: #199 BabbaZee

President Abbas is a man devoted to peace and to his people's aspirations for a state of their own. And today the Palestinian people are closer to realizing those aspirations.
~GWB

The world must also stand up for peace in the Holy Land. I'm committed to two democratic states -- Israel and Palestine -- living side-by-side in peace and security. I'm committed to a Palestinian state that has territorial integrity and will live peacefully with the Jewish state of Israel. This is the vision set forth in the road map -- and helping the parties reach this goal is one of the great objectives of my presidency. The Palestinian people have suffered from decades of corruption and violence and the daily humiliation of occupation.
~ GWB


We Arm Fatah

totally disgusting. Where is Teddy Roosevelt when we need him.

225 markie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:03pm

Will Mr Peanut be presenting?

226 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.


yeah. I call bullshit!

227 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:19pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.


Well well well.

Very interesting.

228 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #210 galloping granny

I must be going blind. I'll be darned if I see a tank in that pic.

Top of the ridge, follow the phone pole down...

You are in a tank, you look over at the enemy position. Some one is aiming an optical device at you. Optical devices can take pictures, or guide anti-tank missiles. In the midst of a fight which is it?

229 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:28pm

re: #209 Render

Third linkie is fubared, pardon me...

BRB,
R

230 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:44pm

re: #213 opinionated

Stupid me.

To keep the world from war, Bush has to arm and train and fund and support the barbarians who strive to murder Jews 24/7 and aim to destroy Israel?

If that's the price, your opinion is, Ok then.

"Trust No Man."

231 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:17:52pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.

And the camera with the film intact made it out of that? I call fraud!

232 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:18:11pm

re: #231 galloping granny

And the camera with the film intact made it out of that? I call fraud!


What's FILM?

233 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:18:34pm

re: #222 Iron Fist

That's a pretty big muzzle flash. Could it be that pic is of a rocket attack and not a firing tank?

234 opinionated  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:18:37pm

re: #199 BabbaZee

President Abbas is a man devoted to peace and to his people's aspirations for a state of their own. And today the Palestinian people are closer to realizing those aspirations.
~GWB

The world must also stand up for peace in the Holy Land. I'm committed to two democratic states -- Israel and Palestine -- living side-by-side in peace and security. I'm committed to a Palestinian state that has territorial integrity and will live peacefully with the Jewish state of Israel. This is the vision set forth in the road map -- and helping the parties reach this goal is one of the great objectives of my presidency. The Palestinian people have suffered from decades of corruption and violence and the daily humiliation of occupation.
~ GWB


We Arm Fatah

Abbas is coming to the US soon to see his pal. You'll have more quotes.

235 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:19:24pm

re: #224 Eowyn2

Or... Harry Truman

America needs you
Harry Truman
Harry could you please come home
Things are looking bad
I know you would be mad
To see your favorite men
Prevail upon the land you love

Americas wondering
How we got here
Harry all we get is lies
Were gettin' safer cars
Rocket ships to mars
From men who'd sell us out
To get themselves a piece of power

Wed love to hear you speak your mind
In plain and simple ways
Call a spade a spade
Like you did back in the days
You would play piano
Each morning walk a mile
Speak of what was going down
With honesty and style

Americas calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin' round and losin' lots of ground
Oh harry is there something we can do to save the land we love

Americas calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin' round
And losin' lots of ground
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Oh
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Harry
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love

236 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:19:33pm

re: #232 Ben Hur

What's FILM?

True - let me repeat myself -

And the memory chip from the camera didn't melt in that fireball? RIGHT!

237 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:19:48pm

re: #210 galloping granny

I must be going blind. I'll be darned if I see a tank in that pic.

Shana, 23, and two other Palestinian civilians were killed on April 16, 2008, in what local residents said was an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip

Oh oh, 2 other Palestinian Civilians? what about the 17 Palestinians from the original press release.

Not a tank, kind of looks like there may be a bunker by the border fence.

238 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:19:57pm

re: #234 opinionated

[self deleted]

239 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:20:31pm

re: #200 Nevergiveup

It's typical. Just as more evidence surfaces that the data is all wrong and as leading scientific advocates of global warming are admitting they may have been wrong, the President jumps on the bandwagon as it is backing up. Go Figure?

* * *
Yes, the earth-centric treehuggers also VOTE! Teddy Roosevelt the republican president preserved parks for posterity, so presidents do have a responsibility to care.

We are not chinese polluting proletariats after all. WE fought the Vietnam War & sent astronauts to walk on the moon at the same time, while funding Johnson's Great Society.

Our country just has to WIN the global war this time, and let moonbats contribute as they can--tree hugging, water cleaning, while they pop more pills & consume more energy & chemicals than any people in history!

240 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:20:38pm

Look at this ridiculousness.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

241 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:20:47pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.

Killgore, I do believe that you've just uncovered another bit of Pali disinfauxmation.

242 somecallmetim  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:20:56pm

This must be a mistake, Abbas said this time they were really really serious about peace.....

243 incanus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:21:10pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Fadel Shana's last pic?...
Yahoo pic

I call bullshit. The prior pic has a picture of Shana and says

Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana looks out of the window at the Reuters office in Gaza City April 4, 2006. Shana, 23, and two other Palestinian civilians were killed on April 16, 2008, in what local residents said was an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip.

Air strike != tanks firing. Something is amiss.

244 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:21:16pm

This one's a little gory....
Yahoo pic

A medic tries to lift a body of a Palestinian boy as the body of Fadel Shana, a 23-year-old Palestinian cameraman for the Reuters news agency lies on the ground at right

245 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:21:27pm

re: #218 Ben Hur

The camera made it out unscathed?

It is allah's will that the camera was completely unscathed

246 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:21:35pm

re: #181 galloping granny

Connecticut already has a sub base.

* * *
John McCain's brother was born at that Connecticut naval base.

247 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:21:51pm

re: #234 opinionated


Dear Bush,

Keep up the good work.

Stan.

248 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:21:58pm

Did anyone repost the Olmert offers Abbashole 64% of the West Bank story I posted on the last thread?

249 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:22:16pm

Trout's right. That "muzzle flash" looks photoshopped as well. Trout this smells
worse than your nic after 7 days! LOL!

250 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:22:26pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

The last thing to go through his mind?

his asshole.

251 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:22:46pm

re: #240 Ben Hur

Look at this ridiculousness.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

the "lie in"?

252 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:22:53pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

It looks like a screen cap the way it's cropped.

253 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:09pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Fadel Shana's last pic?...
Yahoo pic

His cover was cameraman.

254 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:10pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout,

Tanks have incredible muzzel blast. I've witnessed this myself from M-60s. I doubt it was a missile. He caught the shell fired at his position. He'd have been smarter to duck and cover.

255 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:14pm

re: #241 gop_patriot

Possibly, we'll have to wait and see what we can figure out. Lizards are really good at this kind of thing.

256 ec marm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.


You usually don't see that volume of black smoke in a car fire until it hits the tires. Time for someone to get a larger, higher res picture.

257 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:45pm

re: #237 Eowyn2

Shana, 23, and two other Palestinian civilians were killed on April 16, 2008, in what local residents said was an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip

Oh oh, 2 other Palestinian Civilians? what about the 17 Palestinians from the original press release.

Not a tank, kind of looks like there may be a bunker by the border fence.

Read up above - this is not the first time Shana has been involved in something like this. He was critically wounded once before.

And as an IDF spokesman said - "what was a reuters truck doing in the middle of a hamas convoy?'

258 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:57pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

From the caption:

Israel struck hard against targets in Gaza on Wednesday, killing at least 20 Palestinians in a day of heavy fighting that also saw three Israeli soldiers killed in a brazen Hamas ambush.

And our former President is talking with these animals.

/spit

259 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:23:57pm

re: #213 opinionated
When you are POTUS, then you can do it your way. The US has to sleep with many devils (and has throughout it's history) to keep World Peace.

260 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:24:55pm

re: #259 newsjunkie_ky

When you are POTUS, then you can do it your way. The US has to sleep with many devils (and has throughout it's history) to keep World Peace.


Yep. all about the World Peace.

What is this anyhow a fukcin pagaent?

261 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:24:58pm
Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana films in Rafah camp in the southern Gaza Strip in this February 4, 2008 file photo. A Reuters cameraman was killed in the Gaza Strip on April 16, 2008 in what appeared to have been an Israeli military strike. Shana, a 23-year-old Palestinian, was covering violence in the enclave for the international news agency. Two bystanders were also killed in an explosion after Shana stepped from his vehicle. His soundman escaped serious injury. Film from Shana's camera showed an Israeli tank stationed several hundred metres (yards) away firing a shell. The film then went blank, apparently at the moment Shana was hit. Earlier, local residents had said the explosion appeared to have been caused by an air strike
262 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:25:04pm

re: #259 newsjunkie_ky

When you are POTUS, then you can do it your way. The US has to sleep with many devils (and has throughout it's history) to keep World Peace.

There is no diplobabbling excuse or vain hope of master plans that I am ready to accept as excuse for this.

None.

263 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:25:26pm

re: #248 BabbaZee

Did anyone repost the Olmert offers Abbashole 64% of the West Bank story I posted on the last thread?

Haven't seen it reposted, but Abbasshole won't be satisfied with 100% of Israel.

264 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:25:38pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

ah, here's Fadel's last pic...
Yahoo pic


Incoming!

The shot of a lifetime.

265 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:25:40pm

re: #263 Kosh's Shadow

Haven't seen it reposted, but Abbasshole won't be satisfied with 100% of Israel.

Exactly correct.

266 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:25:48pm

For some reason there are a lot of pictures of him.

Do photo journos usually take so many pics of eachother?

267 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #260 right wing zephyr

Yep. all about the World Peace.

What is this anyhow a fukcin pagaent?

nope. spelling bee...


:-D

268 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:26:10pm

I want to go on the record as being skeptical of this Abbas fellow's commitment to peace.

I think things like this make Condi look like a bit of a clown. Don't you think?

/ugh

269 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:26:18pm

re: #258 gop_patriot,

Remember it is Former President. I never voted for Carter. I was a bit too young.

Don't blame me :-)

270 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:26:49pm

As for the air-strike, tank-fire contradiction, when anything happens in Gaza, the residents swear it was an air strike. In some cases when it turned out to be a mine, or a "work accident."

Dog farts, they swear it was an IDF missile.

271 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:27:02pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

This one's a little gory....
Yahoo pic


whoa

ALERT ALERT ALERT

check out pick #3 of 384 and contrast to pick #8 of the same series. Me smells a micky moment.

272 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.

Ain't no amount of detailing gonna' spruce that up.

273 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:27:28pm

Okay, re the Reuters stringer killed:

Reports claim it was a tank who hit the vehicle. Others say it was an airstrike and a missile hit it.

Israeli tanks don't fire missiles - they fire tank rounds. Fact check?

Also, who else was in the immediate vicinity of the Reuters vehicle when it was struck? Was the photographer accompanying Hamas on one of their agitprop parades when Israel went hot with weapons?

Israel took out a bunch of Palestinian terrorists today, and many were operating in close quarters with civilians - on purpose no less since the terrorists will purposefully shield themselves with civilians to maximize the body count to blame Israel.

274 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:27:32pm

Dear Stan,

Thank you for the kind words. Is your legion of terror well-funded enough yet? Or do you require more?

W.

276 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:28:22pm

Kilgore, there is no tank in those two pictures. There may be a bunker where the flash is superimposed over the one image, but no tank.

ZILCH,
R

277 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:29:02pm

re: #267 paxnhymn


Lol

278 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:29:13pm

I don't think thats a tank in the picture to high of a profile and no good tanker commander would ever highlight himself on a ridge line like that.

279 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:29:50pm

Am I the only one who feels absolutely no sympathy for press embedded with the terrorists? I really don't give a rat's ass if they get killed.

I guess I'm bad.

280 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:29:53pm

re: #262 BabbaZee

There is no diplobabbling excuse or vain hope of master plans that I am ready to accept as excuse for this.

None.

* * *
"Peace" is surrender to jihadists. No thank you, make mine counter-jihad.

281 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:29:55pm

re: #268 Sifty

I want to go on the record as being skeptical of this Abbas fellow's commitment to peace.

I think things like this make Condi look like a bit of a clown. Don't you think?

/ugh

Condi does the will of the POTUS
State is not an autonomous entity

282 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:30:11pm

re: #269 Iron Fist

Remember it is Former President. I never voted for Carter. I was a bit too young.

Don't blame me :-)

Ha. Can't blame me either, I was in elementary/jr. high when he was POTUS. ;)

283 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:30:12pm

I find myself almost wishing that the supposed stringer was innocent. If he wasn't innocent, that scares me even more.

285 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:30:47pm

re: #280 alegrias

* * *
"Peace" is surrender to jihadists. No thank you, make mine counter-jihad.

Amen

ZAPPA DEE UMMAH!

286 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:30:57pm

re: #279 Iron Fist

Am I the only one who feels absolutely no sympathy for press embedded with the terrorists? I really don't give a rat's ass if they get killed.

I guess I'm bad.

I don't either... The sh0uldn't be with the terrorists... Of course, they are most likely terrorists themselves...

If they aren't they are trying to show some perverted examples of moral equivalency...

287 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:31:02pm

Reuters is watching. Nine times today.

288 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:31:02pm

re: #271 Eowyn2

whoa

ALERT ALERT ALERT

check out pick #3 of 384 and contrast to pick #8 of the same series. Me smells a micky moment.

Look at #6 and #8. How did the car get upside down?

/Not to mention, where did that firehose come from in the middle of nowhere?

289 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:31:28pm

re: #273 lawhawk,

I don't consider the "civillians" innocent, either.

290 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:31:34pm

re: #259 newsjunkie_ky

When you are POTUS, then you can do it your way. The US has to sleep with many devils (and has throughout it's history) to keep World Peace.

Just so the readers don't misunderstand you, lets make it clear.

You are defending Bush on the proposition that dead Jews and the destruction of Israel is a fair price to pay for "peace".

If that in and of itself doesn't make you despicable and questions what you're doing on LGF, lets judge you intelligence.

Is there peace in the World?

Is that policy leading to peace? Does a new terrorist State equal peace in your convoluted logic?

291 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:31:39pm

re: #269 Iron Fist

,

Remember it is Former President. I never voted for Carter. I was a bit too young.

Don't blame me :-)

* * *
It is a FAILED former president who was FIRED by the American people. This man couldn't get elected dog catcher. He should be im-pounded.

292 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:31:45pm

A lot of those pics are taken by different cameramen.

They were all out together with Hamasniks.

Embedded, my ass.

293 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:32:02pm

re: #288 galloping granny

Look at #6 and #8. How did the car get upside down?

/Not to mention, where did that firehose come from in the middle of nowhere?

Well, this DID happen in Gaza... the Israeli's brought in the technology...

294 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:32:36pm

re: #279 Iron Fist

Apparently you are 40% stupid and 60% evil,
thus spaketh the Village Voice's Idiot

295 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:32:50pm

Wow.

Reuters.

296 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:33:28pm

What did I just walk in to?

297 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:33:41pm
sleep with many devils

Hey Stan, You need a cig after that?

298 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:33:52pm

re: #290 Opinionated

You are defending Bush on the proposition that dead Jews and the destruction of Israel is a fair price to pay for "peace".



144,000 updings!

299 incanus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:33:58pm

So now we know why the Reuters people were checking in earlier today: They knew this was going to be news and wanted to see how quickly we'd find it.

300 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:15pm

re: #292 Ben Hur

A lot of those pics are taken by different cameramen.

They were all out together with Hamasniks.

Embedded, my ass.

Shana was an Iranian military advisor.

301 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #294 BabbaZee,

I was hoping for 100% pure Evil.

I am ashamed.

302 Macker  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:20pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Good point. Here's his car.

Definitely a Fire Sale item!

303 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:26pm

re: #296 storagemanager

What did I just walk in to?

Bush is having a orgy with devils in order to keep World Peace.

/duh

304 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:31pm

re: #276 Render

Kilgore, there is no tank in those two pictures. There may be a bunker where the flash is superimposed over the one image, but no tank.

ZILCH,
R

This shot, left of the white building, on the ridge, base of the pole.

Bunker, tank?

It where the flash is in this shot.

305 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:32pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Charles,

I know you banned Carter from getting another Fiskie because he won it previously (it's in the Fiskie rules). I think his latest exhortations and actions qualify for a review of that policy.

I vote for a special Lifetime Achievment Fiskie for Dhimmi Cahtah.

306 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:34:46pm
Palestinian journalists carry the body of Reuters news agency cameraman Fadal Shana to the morgue of Shifa hospital in Gaza City, Wednesday, April 16, 2008.

That is a lot of journalists.

307 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Reuters is watching. Nine times today.


screw Reuters! Hasn't it been them with photoshopped photos of Bagdad That had added smoke? Or was it the Twin Towers? Oh, well, I know their credibility is nill!

308 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:35:11pm

re: #281 BabbaZee

Bush's denial of reality when it comes to the Fakestinians is getting pretty expensive in lives and treasure.

State isn't autonomous, you are correct of course. Although I bet they would love to be. Suspect that most of the NYT's scoops come from the lifers at State.

It makes me sad to see Rice sign her name to such ridiculous policies. I had higher hopes for her.

309 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:35:20pm

re: #303 right wing zephyr

Bush is having a orgy with devils in order to keep World Peace.

/duh


Again?

310 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:35:38pm

Last frame in the sequence: Yahoo pic


A video grab shows the last frame of Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana before he was fatally wounded by an Israeli shell whilst working in the Gaza Strip April 16, 2008. Shana, a 23-year-old Palestinian, died after he stepped from his vehicle, apparently to film Israeli forces positioned several hundred metres (yards) away.
311 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:36:18pm

re: #292 Ben Hur

A lot of those pics are taken by different cameramen.

They were all out together with Hamasniks.

Embedded, my ass.

will not yours, but somebody's. Remember, with this Islamonauts, someone's got to be "a bottom"...


:-D

312 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:36:31pm

re: #271 Eowyn2

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080 416/481/ea25781c01d749eb9b3a6d515d75c1a1/#photoVie wer=/080416/photos_wl_afp/b84dfea268f467cc947b33e3 5e264e94

A lot less damage to the exact same car in that pic.

re: #273 lawhawk

Hawk - Merkava 3's and 4's can fire a missile called the LAHAT from the 120mm smoothbore main gun.

However, a direct hit from either a LAHAT or 120mm shell would have left nothing but tiny shreds of that vehicle.

JANE'S,
R

313 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:36:39pm

re: #304 jcm

Bunker, tank?


Could be. It looks big enough.

314 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:37:00pm

re: #192 Iron Fist

,

Arafish is dead.

(Couldn't resist. It is soooo thrilling to say it :-)


And he died on a Jewish holiday!

315 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:37:00pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Don't point things at tanks.

316 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:37:02pm

re: #304 jcm

If it's a bunker, then it might not have been the Israelis at all - since they're not operating from fixed positions in Gaza. I'd love to get a closeup of that area in the two photos provided to see if it was indeed a tank that opened fire and not a Hamas spray and pray team.

317 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:37:05pm

re: #301 Iron Fist

,

I was hoping for 100% pure Evil.

I am ashamed.



[dark, malevolent laughter]

318 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:37:05pm

re: #304 jcm

This shot, left of the white building, on the ridge, base of the pole.

Bunker, tank?

It where the flash is in this shot.

We need a bigger picture. That sure does not look like any tank profile to me, especially not the frontal view it would have to be to be firing towards the photographer two frames later.

319 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:37:45pm

re: #308 Sifty

So did I.
Of him too.

320 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:38:01pm

re: #307 paxnhymn

screw Reuters! Hasn't it been them with photoshopped photos of Bagdad That had added smoke? Or was it the Twin Towers? Oh, well, I know their credibility is nill!

Beirut, I think.

321 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:38:07pm

re: #305 Colonel Panik,

I think you could get an LGFer Majority (strong majority) for a Lifetime achievement award for Carter. Too long a lifetime, IMHO...

322 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:38:22pm

In news-related news, the new Newseum in Washington DC is causing visitors to weep uncontrollably -- at the sight of the radio antenna of the World Trade Center on display-- people do remember 9/11.

There's a wall of 9/11/01 front pages preserved for all to see & NEVER FORGET who dunnit.

323 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:38:52pm

re: #294 BabbaZee


he's a 40/60 man

Used to do 60 but he's down to 40

seconds

324 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:39:36pm

re: #323 Endangered in MASS

Excellent!

325 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:39:50pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Could be. It looks big enough.

I enlarged it, resolution stinks. It's got a shadow underneath. The top portion is a different size from the base, possible turret.

Your last pic is consistent with a fired tank round, ground dust from muzzle concussion, and rising smoke cloud from the muzzle.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:40:30pm

HEY REUTERS, SORRY TO HEAR YOUR IRANIAN SPY GOT TURNED TO TOAST TODAY.

327 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:40:40pm

re: #296 storagemanager

What did I just walk in to?

tanks...pseudo-journalists...and Stan

328 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:41:48pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Last frame in the sequence: Yahoo pic

So he was out of his car, that would explain why his camera wasn't melted.

329 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:00pm

Those 3 pictures - they were 6, 8, and 10 but more pictures have been added so now the numbers have changed - were NOT all taken by the same cameraman at the same time from the same position. Look at the difference in how close/far away the white building in the center of the picture is.

330 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:01pm

Smoking the peace pipe is so last millenium.

331 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:23pm

"...Awarded PA's Highest Medal..."

What's that called?

The Legion of Psychotic Mass Murderer Medal, with rpg fragments and "P" device for "pathetic"?

.

332 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:30pm

re: #327 wolfie

tanks...pseudo-journalists...and Stan

They haven't brought up boobs yet. Don't encourage them.

333 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:33pm
334 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:37pm

Like a good journalist, he was as mad as Hell!

...and now he doesn't have to take it anymore.

335 markie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:42:42pm

re: #275 BabbaZee

The "moderates" of Islam have their work cut out for them convincing the Islamists among them to cut it out. I hope they aren't holding their breath waiting for the opportunity for a new softer public image. Waiting ain't gonna change anything.

336 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:43:05pm

re: #328 gop_patriot

So he was out of his car, that would explain why his camera wasn't melted.

Sometimes the most interesting action isn't what's caught on the camera, but what's going on behind the cameraman. I want to know what the other folks in that contingent were doing before they got hit by incoming fire.

337 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:43:08pm

re: #324 BabbaZee

Thank you.

338 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:43:20pm

re: #335 markie

They have no intentions of moderating anything

339 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:43:29pm

re: #304 jcm

Bunker. Or just an oddly shaped ground formation. Not tank.

If it's a tank, the IDF has gone a long ways towards camouflaging their Merkava's to look like tree tops behind a ridge line.

DEAD
HEAT,
R

340 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:43:32pm

re: #317 BabbaZee,

I'm home, so I could actually see that :-)

I wanna b Evil :-)

341 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

The Merkava has a low profile

342 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:44:32pm

re: #340 Iron Fist

{Fisticus Most Ferrulicious}

343 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:44:53pm

re: #322 alegrias

In news-related news, the new Newseum in Washington DC is causing visitors to weep uncontrollably -- at the sight of the radio antenna of the World Trade Center on display-- people do remember 9/11.

There's a wall of 9/11/01 front pages preserved for all to see & NEVER FORGET who dunnit.

I wonder how long CAIR will let that bigoted display stand.
Isn't it Islamophobic?

/sarc

344 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:45:00pm

re: #341 bulwrk

The Merkava has a low profile

Such a low profile that it would make barely a bump, much less be visible 400 yards away.

345 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:45:12pm

re: #341 bulwrk

The Merkava has a low profile

Hamas thinks it can win against that?

346 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:45:25pm

re: #290 Opinionated
No, there is fighting in the World, but there is not all nations involved and there are not bombs falling on our heads on a daily basis.
We do not know the delicate balance that is necessary to keep billions of muslims from taking up arms against us. It is my prayer that no Jews lose their lives, as it is my prayer that no American Soldier loses his/her life in defending our freedoms. But we can not sit in front of computer screens and pretend that we know what is needed to keep the World from full on war. We can complain but that does no one any good. You can exercise your right and vote for the candidate you believe will do your will, but don't count on it happening just the way you HOPE it will.
Do not mislead the readers with your projections of what I have written.
I am very much Pro Israel but I am also know that we don't know all of what is necessary to protect the lives of our allies.
There is only One that knows all and that is not you.

347 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:45:50pm

re: #342 BabbaZee,

You make me smile :-)

{BabbaZeeeeeeeeeeeeeee}

348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:04pm

re: #314 VegasRick

And he died on a Jewish holiday!

If it hadn't been one then, it would have been by now

349 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:21pm

re: #333 BabbaZee


Those are some funky indians.

350 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:35pm

Another clue.....
Is the white building on the right in this pic the same as the center building here? It looks like a different angle of the same location. If so, that means the Palestinians were firing mortars at that position. Fadel was there, spotting or just hoping to record a hit.

351 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:43pm
It used to be FOX News was the only organization that Obama refused to talk with.
Today Barack added Hamas to this list.

His church is against Israel. His father figure pastor is against Israel. His church's "man of the year" is against Israel. His close friends are against Israel.

But, today Barack Obama spoke out in support of Israel and condemned Jimmy Carter for meeting with Hamas.
YNET News reported:

Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama on Wednesday disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter's overtures toward Hamas, saying he would not talk to the Islamist group until it recognized Israel and renounced terrorism.

The Illinois senator, campaigning in Pennsylvania which holds the next presidential voting contest on Tuesday, told a group of Jewish leaders he has an "unshakable commitment" to help protect Israel from its "bitter enemies."

"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction. We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."

"Hamas is not a state. Hamas is a terrorist organization," he said.
You have to draw the line somewhere--

especially when the majority of Americans disagree with your inner circle.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

352 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #345 MandyManners

Hamas thinks it can win against that?


well you know the game...youths-throwing-rocks, paper, scissors....


:-D

353 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:56pm

re: #330 alegrias

Hey, alegrias!
Don't you just luuuuuuuuuv Pelosi's wisdom in screwing Colombia?

354 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:46:57pm

anyone else having LFG delays?

355 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:47:24pm

re: #269 Iron Fist

,

Remember it is Former President. I never voted for Carter. I was a bit too young.

Don't blame me :-)

I was old enough but voted for Ford. Dont blame me either.

356 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:47:35pm

re: #336 lawhawk

I imagine that to a tanker on alert a shoulder held camera can look a lot like a shoulder fired weapon, and vice versa.

That there probably were a few of each in the little group didn't help.

Best to shoot first to be sure, IMHO.

357 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:47:48pm

re: #349 Endangered in MASS

Those are some funky indians.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Love that song

Even more Funky Redmen

358 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:48:53pm

re: #347 Iron Fist

,

You make me smile :-)

{BabbaZeeeeeeeeeeeeeee}


WLGF out

/time to be the wife and rustle good grub

359 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:49:00pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

Don't think so - missing the palm trees with fronds and the second photo shows a taller smokestack arrangement on the roof.

/where's waldo

360 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:49:03pm

re: #345 MandyManners

Hamas thinks it can win against that?

Hamas is not known for their mental powers.

On the other hand, tanks can only do so much when the politicians keep pulling them back.

361 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:49:15pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

Another clue.....
Is the white building on the right in this pic the same as the center building here? It looks like a different angle of the same location. If so, that means the Palestinians were firing mortars at that position. Fadel was there, spotting or just hoping to record a hit.

I would buy that as a different angle on the same area.

362 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:49:22pm

re: #318 galloping granny

We need a bigger picture. That sure does not look like any tank profile to me, especially not the frontal view it would have to be to be firing towards the photographer two frames later.

I know most of the profiles & views of almost every AFV ever fielded (military history and WWII nut since I was 12), and that does look like the front of a modern tank, with some real foliage for camoflage starting at the hull, and going up past the turret in a conical shape.

FYI.

363 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:49:33pm

re: #279 Iron Fist

Am I the only one who feels absolutely no sympathy for press embedded with the terrorists? I really don't give a rat's ass if they get killed.

I guess I'm bad.


you have just upped the evil quotient on LGF

364 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:49:37pm

re: #346 newsjunkie_ky

The one you speak of...If America divides his land..you think we will not pay a price?

365 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:50:31pm

re: #360 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All they have to do is win in the newspapers and on CNN News. They can lose every battle and CNN will still hand them the victory.

Bastards.

366 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:50:37pm

re: #358 BabbaZee

WLGF out

/time to be the wife and rustle good grub

Babba, did you get your mail?

367 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:50:44pm

And another clue: What's up with these two guys? They claim they were wounded in the same attack. But here they are from a different angle. You can see Fadel's car in the background. Firefighters and medics arrive and put out the fire already. That should take about 20-30 minutes at best but they're still there lounging in the road.

368 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:51:24pm

re: #328 gop_patriot

So he was out of his car, that would explain why his camera wasn't melted.


And it could explain the IDF opening fire.

Guys jump out of there cars.

Point huge scope looking thing at a tank.

Just like the Pali Hotel in Bagdad.

369 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:51:38pm

re: #362 Vergeltung

I know most of the profiles & views of almost every AFV ever fielded (military history and WWII nut since I was 12), and that does look like the front of a modern tank, with some real foliage for camoflage starting at the hull, and going up past the turret in a conical shape.

FYI.

yeah, but look at the "muzzle flash" in one photo. I've been around tanks since I was 18, and I've NVER seen that, and a Merkava has flash suppression...

370 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:10pm

re: #362 Vergeltung

I know most of the profiles & views of almost every AFV ever fielded (military history and WWII nut since I was 12), and that does look like the front of a modern tank, with some real foliage for camoflage starting at the hull, and going up past the turret in a conical shape.

FYI.

Whose modern tank? Here is a picture of the current Israeli tank - [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Doesn't look much like that shape to me, with or without foliage.

371 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:10pm

re: #356 Sifty

I imagine that to a tanker on alert a shoulder held camera can look a lot like a shoulder fired weapon, and vice versa.

That there probably were a few of each in the little group didn't help.

Best to shoot first to be sure, IMHO.

Exactly, from KT #350, we've got active contact. Guy hops out of car, put something on his shoulder at points it at the tank, the TC sees this and thinks, OH RUCK MISSILE CREW. And eliminates the threat.

372 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:11pm

re: #357 BabbaZee


I'm so tired...


it's twue

373 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:15pm

re: #365 Sifty

All they have to do is win in the newspapers and on CNN News. They can lose every battle and CNN will still hand them the victory.

Bastards.

Some people learned the lesson of Tet.

374 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:35pm

re: #364 storagemanager
I don't know and no one else knows that answer either.

375 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:39pm
JERUSALEM – For at least the fourth time in recent months, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice referred to the Hamas terrorist organization as a "resistance" movement during unscripted remarks with reporters, WND has learned.

This time, Rice was giving a free-ranging interview two weeks ago with the Washington Times when a reporter asked her about the wisdom of encouraging democracy in countries where radical Islamists could win elections, pointing as an example to Hamas, which won Palestinian elections two years ago.

Rice replied: "It's, I would say, still a story-in-progress on Hamas, in particular, because I think there's plenty of evidence now that one reason that Hamas went back to their bad old ways and took over the Gaza and overthrew the legitimate Palestinian Authority institutions is that actually they were failing at governance, and it's easier to be a resistance movement than to be a governing movement."

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

376 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:52:56pm

re: #369 paxnhymn

yeah, but look at the "muzzle flash" in one photo. I've been around tanks since I was 18, and I've NVER seen that, and a Merkava has flash suppression...

I have a picture of that kind of flash, but it is coming out the ass end of a TOW.

377 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:53:20pm

re: #346 newsjunkie_ky

Advice- Stop digging.

378 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:53:24pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

OK, you know what? That made me laugh. X)

/just doing my part, adding to the evil here at LGF

379 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:53:29pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

Another clue.....
Is the white building on the right in this pic the same as the center building here? It looks like a different angle of the same location. If so, that means the Palestinians were firing mortars at that position. Fadel was there, spotting or just hoping to record a hit.

Of course he was a spotter.

380 markie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:53:35pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

Wouldn't be the first time someone there spotted a camera and said "take my picture, I'm wounded!".

Car fires, unless loaded with inflammables other than gasoline, are usually out in like 2 minutes.

381 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:53:39pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

And another clue: What's up with these two guys? They claim they were wounded in the same attack. But here they are from a different angle. You can see Fadel's car in the background. Firefighters and medics arrive and put out the fire already. That should take about 20-30 minutes at best but they're still there lounging in the road.


Look at the first pic.

COunt the heads in the shadow on the ground.

A bunch of photogs standing there taking pics.

382 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:54:07pm

re: #371 jcm

All-in-all a very satisfactory outcome, if al-Rueters calls and asks me.

383 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:54:15pm

re: #376 galloping granny

I have a picture of that kind of flash, but it is coming out the ass end of a TOW.


exactly. not tank ordnance. I call bullshit again.

384 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:54:44pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

And another clue: What's up with these two guys? They claim they were wounded in the same attack. But here they are from a different angle. You can see Fadel's car in the background. Firefighters and medics arrive and put out the fire already. That should take about 20-30 minutes at best but they're still there lounging in the road.

The guy with his arms under his head in the first picture doesn't look very wounded to me. Sunbathing perhaps.

385 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:54:53pm
386 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:55:08pm

re: #362 Vergeltung

I know most of the profiles & views of almost every AFV ever fielded (military history and WWII nut since I was 12), and that does look like the front of a modern tank, with some real foliage for camoflage starting at the hull, and going up past the turret in a conical shape.

FYI.

You're no bigger nut on this stuff than me and I don't think its a tank not even the old M-60 sat that high

387 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:55:20pm

re: #380 markie

Wouldn't be the first time someone there spotted a camera and said "take my picture, I'm wounded!".

Car fires, unless loaded with inflammables other than gasoline, are usually out in like 2 minutes.

Once the interior ignites, they'll burn a long f'n time and can be a b*tch to put out. Former FD whose put out a fair share of 'em.

388 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:55:23pm

re: #374 newsjunkie_ky

I don't know and no one else knows that answer either.

Zechariah 12:2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

389 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:55:27pm

re: #377 Opinionated

Stop attributing attitudes to me that I did not express.

390 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:56:04pm

re: #386 bulwrk

Could it be one of them invisible tanks?

391 Freedom Fan  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:56:13pm
“Moderate” Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas’s latest gesture of good will to advance the peace process:

Mahmoud Abbas Awards Highest Medal to Sbarro Suicide Bomber


-LGF

What? No hug and kiss from Jimmah and Roslyn? I guess these terrorists did not kill enough innocent people. The Carters only honor mass murderers like Arafat. *spit*

392 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:56:28pm

re: #386 bulwrk

I know most of the profiles & views of almost every AFV ever fielded (military history and WWII nut since I was 12), and that does look like the front of a modern tank, with some real foliage for camoflage starting at the hull, and going up past the turret in a conical shape.
FYI.

You're no bigger nut on this stuff than me and I don't think its a tank not even the old M-60 sat that high

It could be the Merkava's defensive "dreadlocks."

Chains hung all around the tank that would detonate an anit-tank missile before impacting on the armor.

393 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:56:34pm

re: #385 MandyManners

The next thing Hamas will turn into a fighter.

Omigod! Even cats have become BITTER !

394 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:56:34pm

re: #381 Ben Hur

Look at the first pic.

COunt the heads in the shadow on the ground.

A bunch of photogs standing there taking pics.

Tons of people standing around, nobody moving to aid the "wounded" who don't seem terribly distressed by the incident. Pallywood at its finest.

395 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:56:42pm

re: #369 paxnhymn

yeah, but look at the "muzzle flash" in one photo. I've been around tanks since I was 18, and I've NVER seen that, and a Merkava has flash suppression...

check out desert storm footage and the like, you'll see muzzle flashes like that all the time. no question WWII through Viet Nam era tanks had such flashes upon firing. as for the specific tank you cite, I am not aversed in it's tech sheet enough to know re the muzzle flash suppression. I'll take your word for it. :)

396 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:57:11pm

re: #333 BabbaZee

Jumpin jehosaphat, love those banana yellow space outfits and native drumming! Thanks Babba for the trip down Soul Train lane.

397 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:57:19pm

re: #389 newsjunkie_ky

Frankly, I think you've expressed enough attitudes on this matter. All beginning with a defend-Bush-at-all-costs attitude.

Just my humble opinion.

398 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:57:24pm

re: #388 storagemanager
And what is your interpretation of the passage?

399 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:57:25pm

re: #378 gop_patriot

Palestinian sun tanning!

400 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:58:28pm

re: #393 wolfie

Omigod! Even cats have become BITTER !

You don't know the half of it.

401 cybermonk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:58:30pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Perhaps a Fiske Lifetime Achievement Award, with peanut cluster

402 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:59:01pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Palestinian sun tanning!

I frequently lie down in the middle of the road while cycling.
/

403 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:59:05pm

re: #395 Vergeltung

check out desert storm footage and the like, you'll see muzzle flashes like that all the time. no question WWII through Viet Nam era tanks had such flashes upon firing. as for the specific tank you cite, I am not aversed in it's tech sheet enough to know re the muzzle flash suppression. I'll take your word for it. :)

Desert Storm was a long, long time ago. Check out some of the footage from when we went into Iraq. Tiny little muzzle flash, not a humongous fireball.

404 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:59:15pm

re: #384 galloping granny

I thought the same thing. I'll bet it's a nice spring day in Gaza. It's also worth noting that those guys are prime fighting age. Could they have been the nearby mortar squad?

405 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:59:22pm

re: #398 newsjunkie_ky

And what is your interpretation of the passage?

If you don't know...I couldn't tell you.

406 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:59:36pm

re: #386 bulwrk

I know most of the profiles & views of almost every AFV ever fielded (military history and WWII nut since I was 12), and that does look like the front of a modern tank, with some real foliage for camoflage starting at the hull, and going up past the turret in a conical shape.

FYI.

You're no bigger nut on this stuff than me and I don't think its a tank not even the old M-60 sat that high

well, it's a small photo, that is for sure. in my opinion, it looks like a tank. we can agree to disagree on it, for sure. :) I could be wrong, no one is perfect.

407 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:59:39pm

re: #401 cybermonk

Perhaps a Fiske Lifetime Achievement Award, with peanut cluster

Peanut cluster mounted on a sphincter rosette.

408 cygnus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:00:03pm

re: #112 DownRightMeanAmerican

Same Shi’ite, different mosque.

Old joke:
What do you call a terrorist on a rooftop in Tehran?
Shi'ite on a shingle.

409 bosforus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:00:05pm

re: #400 MandyManners

You don't know the half of it.

Ha ha. Hard to tell if that's a halloween costume or al-Qaeda's latest weapon.

410 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:00:26pm

re: #392 Ben Hur

Israeli tankers are good and it doesn't make sense to me that you would be sitting on top of a ridge line screaming look at me waiting for RPGs or worse to come downrange at you.

411 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:00:41pm

re: #400 MandyManners

You don't know the half of it.

R-O-F-L-M-A-O !
That is sooooooo sick it's hilarious !

412 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:00:44pm

re: #348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If it hadn't been one then, it would have been by now

* * *
So it really is a Gut Yontiff for the Pontiff!

413 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:01:24pm

re: #405 storagemanager

all the people of the earth

be gathered together against it.

All. Everyone. Including us.

So why not give our money to the enemies of Jerusalem?

414 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:01:27pm

re: #400 MandyManners

You don't know the half of it.

well...that gives new meaning to the term (cloth covered-I'm trying not to get deleted) Head p*ssies!

415 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:01:40pm

re: #404 Killgore Trout

I thought the same thing. I'll bet it's a nice spring day in Gaza. It's also worth noting that those guys are prime fighting age. Could they have been the nearby mortar squad?

I might buy that. I've got to tell you, I've done my time on ER duty. If I was doing triage on those two I would keep right on walking to the next one in line. The first one especially is far too composed to be injured.

416 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:01:43pm

re: #407 jcm

Peanut cluster mounted on a sphincter rosette.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeew.
Sounds perfect.

417 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:01:48pm

Pretty grim shit today. Figured some jocularity was in order.

418 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:01:52pm

re: #307 paxnhymn

screw Reuters! Hasn't it been them with photoshopped photos of Bagdad That had added smoke? Or was it the Twin Towers? Oh, well, I know their credibility is nill!

Perhaps it was the perfect dolls and stuffed animals available in the rubble of all of Lebanon

419 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:02:21pm

re: #381 Ben Hur

Look at the first pic.

COunt the heads in the shadow on the ground.

A bunch of photogs standing there taking pics.

Blydi 'eck!
And notice how in that first photo the huge red spot which loks like blood is actually a bag in the second ... someone not paying attention here, bad stage management, methinks.

420 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:02:32pm

re: #406 Vergeltung

well, it's a small photo, that is for sure. in my opinion, it looks like a tank. we can agree to disagree on it, for sure. :) I could be wrong, no one is perfect.

Missile crew in a deuce and a half? Does the IDF patrol in trucks with launchers?

Stray thought, the camera was HD wide screen, converting squeezes the aspect ration and exaggerates the vertical.

421 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:03:02pm

re: #397 right wing zephyr
Nope, just saying that we don't know everything.

422 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:03:11pm

re: #410 bulwrk

Israeli tankers are good and it doesn't make sense to me that you would be sitting on top of a ridge line screaming look at me waiting for RPGs or worse to come downrange at you.

Tankers like to be hull down and just the gun peering over the ridge.

423 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:03:22pm

re: #420 jcm

Say. If it's not a tank, what does that prove?

/just askin'

424 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:03:36pm

re: #410 bulwrk

Israeli tankers are good and it doesn't make sense to me that you would be sitting on top of a ridge line screaming look at me waiting for RPGs or worse to come downrange at you.

it's actually in a sound firing position, if it indeed was engaging targets towards where the camera is (in that general direction). also, it's just a little past the perfect spot for a hull-down position, which all tankers are trained to achieve when possible.

425 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:03:47pm

re: #421 newsjunkie_ky

Nope, just saying that we don't know everything.


But Bush does.

426 cygnus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:04:16pm

re: #166 wolfie

I say Massachusetts.

Give them a Superfund toxic waste site in any state.

427 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:04:29pm

re: #374 newsjunkie_ky

I don't know and no one else knows that answer either.

Absolutely wrong.
Open your bible, and you will know.
Seek! And you will find.
;~}

In the entire Bible
we are commanded to pray for only one city:

There the thrones for judgment stand,
the thrones of the house of David.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
"May those who love you be secure.

May there be peace within your walls
and security within your citadels.
~ Psalm 122:5-7


Israel

Jerusalem


City of David



City of GOD

I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

PS: Granny ~

no the mail did not come yet


BBL

428 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:04:53pm

re: #420 jcm

Missile crew in a deuce and a half? Does the IDF patrol in trucks with launchers?

Stray thought, the camera was HD wide screen, converting squeezes the aspect ration and exaggerates the vertical.

What you cannot explain away by that theory, though, is that in all three pictures that show the white building from the same angle, supposedly taken by the guy's camera, the building is in a different place. And none of them are just enough different to be explained by his simply getting out of the car.

429 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:04:55pm

re: #422 jcm

firing from the reverse slope.

430 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:05:02pm

Bush should be dealing with Iran and Syria...

and stay out of Israel...IsraelNN.com) Syria recently bought 64 mobile anti-aircraft systems from Russia for $2.5 billion, Channel 1 reported Wednesday evening. Each missile battery carries 12 missiles.

Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived in Libya Wednesday for a 24 hour visit. He is to meet Libyan strongman Muammar Qaddafi, and discuss a possible arms deal and projects being carried out in Libya by Russian firm Gazprom

That's why I voted for him...not to hand the state of Israel to Terrorist. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

431 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:05:04pm

Why are his shoes off? Maybe I'm wrong but, if you're hit hard enough to knock off your shoes, there's gonna' be blood and guts everywhere.

432 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:05:26pm

re: #420 jcm

Missile crew in a deuce and a half? Does the IDF patrol in trucks with launchers?

Stray thought, the camera was HD wide screen, converting squeezes the aspect ration and exaggerates the vertical.

good point. would make the profile look taller than it really was/is. I doubt the IDF tools around in a soft-target truck. would be crazy in enemy territory.

433 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:05:39pm

re: #430 storagemanager

Bush should be dealing with Iran and Syria...


That's why I voted for him...not to hand the state of Israel to Terrorist. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Yep. me too.

434 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:05:48pm

re: #427 BabbaZee

Amen

435 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:06:00pm

re: #423 right wing zephyr

Then it could have been red on red.

436 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:06:09pm

re: #422 jcm

Tankers like to be hull down and just the gun peering over the ridge.

GMTA. :)

437 bosforus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:06:25pm

re: #431 MandyManners

Why are his shoes off? Maybe I'm wrong but, if you're hit hard enough to knock off your shoes, there's gonna' be blood and guts everywhere.

Keep your eyes on the shoes. If you can stomach it. (No blood and guts)

438 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:06:48pm

re: #419 yma o hyd

Not only that, but the guy in the black shirt still has his sunglasses on. If he was close enough to be injured by the shock wave, those glasses would have been the first thing to go.

439 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:06:53pm

re: #423 right wing zephyr

Well we have some conflicting reports. Some say it was a tank shell and other claim it was a missile from an airstrike.

440 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:06:54pm

re: #430 storagemanager

Didn't Syria buy some AA's from Russia that sucked?

441 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:07:29pm

re: #423 right wing zephyr

Say. If it's not a tank, what does that prove?

/just askin'

The story is a tank killed the photog.

If it's not a tank, the story starts unraveling.

Al-Reuters wants to paint the IDF as targeting innocent photogs. Every little bit in debunk their version helps.

442 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:07:38pm

re: #440 MandyManners

Didn't Syria buy some AA's from Russia that sucked?


I have feeling these will work.

443 alegrias  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:07:41pm

re: #353 wolfie

Hey, alegrias!
Don't you just luuuuuuuuuv Pelosi's wisdom in screwing Colombia?

* * *
Pelosi don't need no stinkin' above-board trade.

Instead, Pelosi made nice with Colombian terrorists--her door is always open for PEACE TAWKS.

444 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:07:43pm

re: #435 lawhawk


Ah.

445 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:08:07pm

re: #426 cygnus

Give them a Superfund toxic waste site in any state.

Palestinian state = Superfund toxic waste site
Yup. A redundancy!

446 bosforus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:08:33pm

re: #431 MandyManners

Why are his shoes off? Maybe I'm wrong but, if you're hit hard enough to knock off your shoes, there's gonna' be blood and guts everywhere.

A better view. Sorry.

447 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:08:48pm

re: #432 Vergeltung

good point. would make the profile look taller than it really was/is. I doubt the IDF tools around in a soft-target truck. would be crazy in enemy territory.

True, I think it looks tank or maybe APC.

448 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:08:51pm

re: #431 MandyManners

Why are his shoes off? Maybe I'm wrong but, if you're hit hard enough to knock off your shoes, there's gonna' be blood and guts everywhere.

Both of them have their shoes off and several feet away. Sandals. Turned completely around as if they got blown out of their shoes and flipped in midair. Only to lie in the road without a visible scratch, arms crossed under hear, ankles crossed, wide eyed and without a single apparent scratch. BS. No way, no how.

449 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:09:26pm

re: #405 storagemanager
I don't put words into the writings of other LGF members.
Are you saying that America will receive the wrath if Jerusalem is divided? I truly want to know what you mean.

450 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:09:27pm
451 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:09:34pm

re: #441 jcm


I'm sorry. I thought Reuters has already been utterly discredited. My bad.

452 cygnus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:09:53pm

re: #236 galloping granny

True - let me repeat myself -

And the memory chip from the camera didn't melt in that fireball? RIGHT!

Fire has never melted memory chips.
/Rosie

453 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:10:06pm
The survey showed that eight out of 10 Arabs have a negative view of the US and Arab governments backed by Washington. Eighty-three percent had an unfavorable view of the US, while 70% had no confidence in the superpower, the poll found.

More than 80% of respondents identified the Arab-Israeli conflict as a key issue, but just over half - 55% - did not believe there would ever be a lasting peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians despite US efforts to broker a deal by the end of this year. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

454 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:10:10pm

re: #451 right wing zephyr

I'm sorry. I thought Reuters has already been utterly discredited. My bad.

True too. Fisking the current pics.

455 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:10:15pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Well we have some conflicting reports. Some say it was a tank shell and other claim it was a missile from an airstrike.

Those two things would leave completely different kinds of damage.

456 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:10:16pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

And another clue: What's up with these two guys? They claim they were wounded in the same attack. But here they are from a different angle. You can see Fadel's car in the background. Firefighters and medics arrive and put out the fire already. That should take about 20-30 minutes at best but they're still there lounging in the road.

smoke em if you got em.

457 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:10:30pm

re: #386 bulwrk

Nor bigger a nut than I...

EITHER,
R

458 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:10:37pm

re: #442 storagemanager

I have feeling these will work.

So do I. (I wonder if Syria got a sweet deal to make up for the sucky ones.)

459 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:11:01pm

re: #447 jcm

True, I think it looks tank or maybe APC.

if it's an APC, maybe it is sideways then. lemme root around for some pics.

460 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:11:29pm

re: #457 Render

I was waiting for that

461 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:11:36pm

re: #425 right wing zephyr

I don't think he is omnipotent, but he is privy to a hell of a lot more information than we have.

462 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:11:40pm

re: #446 bosforus

A better view. Sorry.

But, he's not moving like the "wounded" Jordyptian.

463 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:11:44pm

re: #449 newsjunkie_ky

I don't put words into the writings of other LGF members.
Are you saying that America will receive the wrath if Jerusalem is divided? I truly want to know what you mean.

It says any nation that burdens itself with Jerusalem...yes...that is what I said.

464 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:12:33pm

re: #419 yma o hyd

I thought you were messin' with me there for a second!

But you're right.

465 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:13:23pm

re: #448 galloping granny

Both of them have their shoes off and several feet away. Sandals. Turned completely around as if they got blown out of their shoes and flipped in midair. Only to lie in the road without a visible scratch, arms crossed under hear, ankles crossed, wide eyed and without a single apparent scratch. BS. No way, no how.

How fucking stupid do they think we are?

466 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:14:05pm

re: #461 newsjunkie_ky

Round and round we go and where we stop no one (but Bush) knows.

467 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:14:20pm

re: #465 MandyManners

How fucking stupid do they think we are?

Magic Mortar Theory

468 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:14:42pm

DAMN DAMN DAMN

Just got a call from my mom. My stepfather has gotten quite sick today and the doctor told my mom he thought she should get there. High fever....blood infection feared.

469 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:15:09pm

re: #449 newsjunkie_ky

I don't put words into the writings of other LGF members.
Are you saying that America will receive the wrath if Jerusalem is divided? I truly want to know what you mean.


If it happens (GOD forbid!)
and if we had a hand in it
(which we do, a HUGE hand)

we will share in the judgments

The covenant is a binding legal contract.
Breech of contract is punishable under law in the spiritual as well as the natural.

We founded this land in Covenant with the GOD of Abraham

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

Yes, like Israel
America is based on a covenant with GOD
We are the only two nations on earth like this
America is inextricably bound with the destiny of Israel , for that matter, so is the rest of the world
for better or for worse

Do actions have consequences in the Spiritual?

You betcha

470 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:15:25pm

re: #468 loppyd

Sorry to hear that loppy... Prayers again... Damn hospitals make you sicker...

471 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:15:32pm

re: #468 loppyd

DAMN DAMN DAMN

Just got a call from my mom. My stepfather has gotten quite sick today and the doctor told my mom he thought she should get there. High fever....blood infection feared.


I am so sorry..prayers for your family.

472 bosforus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:15:35pm

re: #462 MandyManners

But, he's not moving like the "wounded" Jordyptian.

Not in those clips but he did walk away from the fall...with a little help. ;)

473 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:15:39pm

re: #468 loppyd

DAMN DAMN DAMN

Just got a call from my mom. My stepfather has gotten quite sick today and the doctor told my mom he thought she should get there. High fever....blood infection feared.

Oh dear. Where is he?

474 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:16:02pm

re: #460 bulwrk

I was waiting for that

so, we're all tank history nuts. I get it.

475 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:16:29pm

I think we're looking at a Pali mortar attack gone worse.

The photobugs were alerted to film the attack. Three rounds fired into the area. First round was short (smoke in the field), second round was long (flash on the ridge line), third round was even shorter (near miss on photobugs car).

Any kind of 120mm main gun round carried by the Mekava would have reduced that car to tiny scraps and flung those scraps a considerable distance from the road.

FINAL
ANSWER,
R

476 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:16:31pm
477 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:16:33pm

A medal of the most supreme dishonor.

478 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:16:49pm

re: #430 storagemanager

Things in Iraq may be going too well to suit the enemy.
They may be shifting their immediate military focus toward Israel.....
....always a good move when morale is low and anti-Americanism alone is not doing the trick. Always a good PR move.
Something's going on.

479 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:17:09pm

re: #463 storagemanager

So, America should not give aid to Israel? Should not defend Israel? And that as a nation, America should just pray for Israel or as a 'nation that burdens itself with Jerusalem', America will feel the wrath?

480 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #470 tfc3rid

Sorry to hear that loppy... Prayers again... Damn hospitals make you sicker...

Thank you. He was doing so well and now this. My poor mother is going to end up drooling in a corner.

481 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:17:28pm

re: #469 BabbaZee

Excellent post

482 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:17:32pm

Here's another oddity to the story: Here's the pic of Fadel and his buddy lying next to the car. The blood on the ground indicates that's where they were hit. Aside from the blood the ground isn't wet. The car didn't catch fire until after the bodies were removed as seen here. Why would they burn the cameraman's car? Maybe it caught fire on it's own after the bodies were removed but I find that unlikely.

483 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:17:44pm

re: #466 right wing zephyr

You're the one chasing your tail.

484 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:18:15pm

re: #480 loppyd

Thank you. He was doing so well and now this. My poor mother is going to end up drooling in a corner.

Well, you've got my support...

485 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:18:29pm

re: #475 Render

Very may well be.

486 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:18:33pm

re: #478 wolfie

Things in Iraq may be going too well to suit the enemy.
They may be shifting their immediate military focus toward Israel.....
....always a good move when morale is low and anti-Americanism alone is not doing the trick. Always a good PR move.
Something's going on.


Putin is not in Libya for a suntan.

487 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:18:44pm

re: #475 Render

I think we're looking at a Pali mortar attack gone worse.
The photobugs were alerted to film the attack. Three rounds fired into the area. First round was short (smoke in the field), second round was long (flash on the ridge line), third round was even shorter (near miss on photobugs car).
Any kind of 120mm main gun round carried by the Mekava would have reduced that car to tiny scraps and flung those scraps a considerable distance from the road.
FINAL
ANSWER,
R

nah, that flash photo is outgoing, not incoming. if I read your post correctly that is.

488 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:01pm
489 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:05pm

re: #479 newsjunkie_ky


huh?

Think maybe you should take the advice of earlier and stop digging?

490 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:08pm

re: #443 alegrias

FARC her.
It's a disgrace.
We treat our enemies better than our friends.

491 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:14pm

re: #473 galloping granny

Oh dear. Where is he?

VA hospital.

I know they get a bad rap, but his doctor is on rotation from Mass General and is a Harvard Medical School graduate....the staff and level of care he has received thus far have been wonderful as far as I can tell.

492 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:27pm

re: #468 loppyd

((((((loppy & family))))))

493 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:35pm

re: #479 newsjunkie_ky

So, America should not give aid to Israel? Should not defend Israel? And that as a nation, America should just pray for Israel or as a 'nation that burdens itself with Jerusalem', America will feel the wrath?


You call carving up Jerusalem aid?

494 Sifty  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:19:53pm

My theory:

The ex-photog and his buddies were in the middle of staging a faux-trocity of Israeli mayhem full of "wounded civilians lying in the street" and were trying to get close enough to the IDF to get a tank or some soldiers in the background for the setup.
It lends authenticity to their made up stories if Reuters can capture some shots with the IDF in the picture.

One too many cylindrical black objects were pointed in the direction of the IDF, and
BOOM.

495 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:06pm

re: #471 storagemanager

Thanks, storage....

496 paxnhymn  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:08pm

re: #440 MandyManners


everything from Russia sucks save MiGs and AKs...

497 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:13pm

re: #467 tfc3rid

Magic Mortar Theory

I quit believing in the Easter Bunny a long time ago.

498 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:34pm

re: #453 storagemanager

Screw 'em.

499 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:34pm

re: #469 BabbaZee


Yes, like Israel
America is based on a covenant with GOD

The shit your smoking is soooo much better than my shit, apparently.

We already have a poster with the nic Hermeneutics.....

500 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:36pm

re: #482 Killgore Trout

Here's another oddity to the story: Here's the pic of Fadel and his buddy lying next to the car. The blood on the ground indicates that's where they were hit. Aside from the blood the ground isn't wet. The car didn't catch fire until after the bodies were removed as seen here. Why would they burn the cameraman's car? Maybe it caught fire on it's own after the bodies were removed but I find that unlikely.

Note that the car was burned after the ambulance was moved too. And something else - they are "hosing down" the burning car. You don't put WATER on a burning car. It really does not mix well with burning gas and oil.

501 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:20:55pm

re: #472 bosforus

Not in those clips but he did walk away from the fall...with a little help. ;)

I bet it knocked the air out of him.

502 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:21:01pm

re: #492 MandyManners

Thank you, Mandy.

503 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:21:02pm

re: #497 MandyManners

I quit believing in the Easter Bunny a long time ago.

Christianophobe!

/

504 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:21:50pm

re: #501 MandyManners

I bet it knocked the air out of him.

That was a scary fall!
/My son said he broke some ribs. OUCH.

505 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:21:51pm

Also notice the second pic of the two guys lounging at #367 was taken before Fadel's car caught fire.

506 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:21:58pm

re: #469 BabbaZee
Are we not defending Israel by keeping muslims from 'wiping Her off the face of the Earth'?
All I'm saying (and all I have said) is that WE do not know all that is needed to know to keep the muslim nations from coming together and raining all kinds of war upon Israel.

507 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:22:37pm

re: #459 Vergeltung

if it's an APC, maybe it is sideways then. lemme root around for some pics.

Front aspect on a Brad? Video frame grab, small image, resolution sucks.

508 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:22:38pm

re: #491 loppyd

VA hospital.

I know they get a bad rap, but his doctor is on rotation from Mass General and is a Harvard Medical School graduate....the staff and level of care he has received thus far have been wonderful as far as I can tell.

I have no idea why they get a bad rap loppyd. The very finest doctors I have ever worked with and the very best medical care I have seen has been through Public Health Service and VA hospitals. My dad gets his care from the VA down in Florida and they are superb.

509 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:22:40pm

re: #500 galloping granny


You don't put WATER on a burning car. It really does not mix well with burning gas and oil.


Good point.

510 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:22:41pm

re: #505 Killgore Trout


I wonder what he's cropping out to make the pic narrow like that.

511 gop_patriot  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:22:46pm

re: #468 loppyd

Prayers for your family, loppyd.

512 Roger  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:23:42pm

re: #483 newsjunkie_ky

The theory of relativity says if it spins fast enough it will be able to kiss its own arse!

513 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:23:51pm

re: #506 newsjunkie_ky

Are we not defending Israel by keeping muslims from 'wiping Her off the face of the Earth'?
All I'm saying (and all I have said) is that WE do not know all that is needed to know to keep the muslim nations from coming together and raining all kinds of war upon Israel.


We may have given Israel weapons...But Israel has done it's own fighting...I might had against overwhelming odds.

514 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:24:16pm

re: #507 jcm

Front aspect on a Brad? Video frame grab, small image, resolution sucks.

this site has some pics of the tanks as well as a semi-side view of an APC that the IDF uses:

[Link: www.defense-update.com...]

515 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:24:17pm
516 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:24:19pm

re: #489 right wing zephyr
Perhaps you should get out of the conversation.

517 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:24:31pm

re: #513 storagemanager
add..PIMF

518 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:24:32pm

re: #496 paxnhymn

everything from Russia sucks save MiGs and AKs...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

519 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:24:36pm

re: #483 newsjunkie_ky

You're the one chasing your tail.

How's that?

520 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:00pm

re: #298 BabbaZee

Judas Priest - You've Got Another Thing Comin'

Amen!

{Babba}

521 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:08pm

re: #513 storagemanager

We may have given Israel weapons...But Israel has done it's own fighting...I might had against overwhelming odds.

We haven't given Israel much. They have paid cash on the barrelhead for about everything they have ever received from us.

522 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:26pm

re: #508 galloping granny

I have no idea why they get a bad rap loppyd. The very finest doctors I have ever worked with and the very best medical care I have seen has been through Public Health Service and VA hospitals. My dad gets his care from the VA down in Florida and they are superb.

I had not had any experience with them before, but I had heard bad things...

I think a lot of people envision the hell hole from Born on the Fourth of July.

That is great about your dad's care!

523 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:42pm
“Moderate” Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas’s latest gesture of good will to advance the peace process: Abbas To Award PA’s Highest Medal To Hamas Terrorist Responsible For Sbarro Massacre.

If it is possible to become aghast with the terrorist behavior of a terrorist leader what does this say for the President who has fallen over himself to modify who Abbas truly is?

I mean, we all know about the moderate Abbas and his charter of death upon Israel, don't we? None of this bullshit comes as any surprise, does it? Surely George and Condi and all the rest who are quite willing to hand Israel to the wolves for all the very worst most bankrupt reasons, know these fast as well, don't they?

We have all been outraged with Carter for taking flowers to the death chamber of Arafat but I ask you, what is the difference between glorying a dead terrorist or lying for and about a live one?

I'll leave with you with this:

New Abbas / Fatah Poster Shows Israel As Palestine, Next To Rifle And Arafat

524 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:43pm

re: #516 newsjunkie_ky

Perhaps you should get out of the conversation.

Why? Because I agree with all of those who disagree with you?

525 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:46pm

re: #500 galloping granny

Note that the car was burned after the ambulance was moved too. And something else - they are "hosing down" the burning car. You don't put WATER on a burning car. It really does not mix well with burning gas and oil.

Don't expect them to act like your neighbors.

Remember who you're talking about.

When I joined the IDF, the was a big "scandal" because the IDF released a report about Pali/Fatah/terrorist police/Security forces.

The IDF had the nerve to point out that the vast majority of them did not have anything even remotely similar to a high school degree.

The Israeli Left thought that was mean to point out.

It's all I thought about when I saw them opposite me during training at the Erez Checkpoint.

526 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:25:47pm

re: #493 storagemanager

So you are not going to answer?

527 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:26:14pm

Also from this pic of the burning car we should be able to see the two guys lounging further down the road. They aren't there.

528 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:27:05pm

re: #510 Ben Hur

Interesting question.

529 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:27:18pm

re: #526 newsjunkie_ky

So you are not going to answer?


That is my answer..That verse is not taking about aid..you need to read Joel.

530 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:27:30pm

re: #500 galloping granny

Note that the car was burned after the ambulance was moved too. And something else - they are "hosing down" the burning car. You don't put WATER on a burning car. It really does not mix well with burning gas and oil.

Used water all the time. Water cools material below the ignition temperature. Not that much oil in a car, gas burns off quickly if the tank rupture. The rest of it water works fine. In 20 years never used anything but water on cars.

531 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:27:43pm

Thanks Ojoe

You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God.
~ Ezekiel 36:28


re: #506 newsjunkie_ky

Are we not defending Israel by keeping muslims from 'wiping Her off the face of the Earth'?

You really believe this is what we are doing?
Tell me how.

I cant stay but I will pop back in every 15 mins or so

532 Roger  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:28:16pm

Blue finger. ... Hamas. ... Hamas blue fingers.

Whose wise idea?

/Yep somebody really knows whats going on.

533 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:28:16pm

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Compare and contrast...

===

Merkava firing on the move...

SLIVERS,
R

534 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:28:23pm

re: #6 MandyManners

Has anyone told Condoleeza Rice about this?

Condi knows. So does her boss.

It obviously does not matter.

535 storagemanager  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:28:31pm

re: #529 storagemanager

That is my answer..That verse is not taking about aid..you need to read Joel.


In these matters..you need to do your own serch..only one can give it to you.

536 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:29:01pm

re: #528 Killgore Trout

Interesting question.


I have saved on my computer two photographs of a pali kid throwing a rock at an Israeli position.

One is the cropped version, one the original.

The cropped one only shows the boy.

The uncropped one shows dozens of photographers sitting there photographing the boy.

I'm sure I can find both on google.

Hold please.

537 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:29:13pm

re: #527 Killgore Trout

Also from this pic of the burning car we should be able to see the two guys lounging further down the road. They aren't there.

Note that in this picture the car has been flipped over and the ambulance is still there.re: #525 Ben Hur

Don't expect them to act like your neighbors.

Remember who you're talking about.

When I joined the IDF, the was a big "scandal" because the IDF released a report about Pali/Fatah/terrorist police/Security forces.

The IDF had the nerve to point out that the vast majority of them did not have anything even remotely similar to a high school degree.

The Israeli Left thought that was mean to point out.

It's all I thought about when I saw them opposite me during training at the Erez Checkpoint.

Ben I do not expect them to act like my neighbors. However, if you blast water from a high pressure hose at burning gas and oil what you get is a flame thrower effect that rains burning crap everywhere. That is just basic firefighting - or cooking.

538 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:29:15pm

re: #532 Roger

and newsjunkie says "Point well taken."

539 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:29:15pm

re: #521 galloping granny

We haven't given Israel much. They have paid cash on the barrelhead for about everything they have ever received from us.

while I certainly acknowledge Israel's grit, determination, and courage in the face of a perpetually seething enemy, I think you should check the numbers on that. The USA has given Israel millions in aid (military and otherwise) over the decades. I am quite sure the balance sheet is far from equal.

that, however, is of no consequence, inasmuch as every $$$ sent to our democratic ally there is well given, well deserved, and hopefully, well received. :)

540 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:29:21pm

re: #525 Ben Hur

The IDF had the nerve to point out that the vast majority of them did not have anything even remotely similar to a high school degree.

They didn't study and work hard and got stuck in Gaza.

/John Kerry

541 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:29:55pm

re: #530 jcm

re: #500 galloping granny

Used water all the time. Water cools material below the ignition temperature. Not that much oil in a car, gas burns off quickly if the tank rupture. The rest of it water works fine. In 20 years never used anything but water on cars.

Fire department here does not use water on cars. The foam crap.

542 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:30:14pm

Your shakedown didn't work, Reuters. YOU'RE BUSTED.

543 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:30:56pm

re: #525 Ben Hur

After another look at this pic it's pretty clear they aren't putting out a gas fire. Only the interior of the car is burning, no fuel leaking out the bottom and the tires aren't even on fire. I think the torched the interior of the car attempting to cover up something of destroy evidence of some sort.

544 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:31:38pm

This isn't the one, but you get the picture, so to speak.

[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...]

545 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:32:12pm

re: #199 BabbaZee

President Abbas is a man devoted to peace and to his people's aspirations for a state of their own. And today the Palestinian people are closer to realizing those aspirations.
~GWB

And a state which does not look like SWISS CHEeSE might I add!

546 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:33:20pm

re: #543 Killgore Trout


Or a better pic.

Here's a classic:


[Link: www.seconddraft.org...]

547 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:33:24pm

re: #533 Render

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Compare and contrast...
===
Merkava firing on the move...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
SLIVERS,
R

damn, the first two I got the dreaded little red X in the box. so I could not see them. the second one, however, was very cool. there was indeed an intense muzzle flash upon the firing of the main gun.

548 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:34:19pm

re: #543 Killgore Trout

After another look at this pic it's pretty clear they aren't putting out a gas fire. Only the interior of the car is burning, no fuel leaking out the bottom and the tires aren't even on fire. I think the torched the interior of the car attempting to cover up something of destroy evidence of some sort.

Definately. The lounging pic had no smoke in the background, did it?

549 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:34:37pm

re: #513 storagemanager
Yes, we give Israel weapons and money and Israel does a great job of defending herself outwardly.
But we do not know the inner workings and behind the scene negotiations that go on to keep the muslims from ALL coming together to attempt to destroy Israel.
I come to LGF to learn, to get differing points of view and I feel that we should question things but we must realize our own limitations. This is what I have tried to put forth in this discussion. I may not have been as clear as I had wished, but I do not like it when others attempt to attribute opinions to me when I do not hold those nor have I expressed them.
I'm not a Biblical scholar, I don't purport to be, that is why I ask questions of others who may know a little more (or a lot more) than me.

550 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:35:12pm

re: #505 Killgore Trout

LOL. Lounging. Nice call...

551 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:35:24pm

re: #543 Killgore Trout

After another look at this pic it's pretty clear they aren't putting out a gas fire. Only the interior of the car is burning, no fuel leaking out the bottom and the tires aren't even on fire. I think the torched the interior of the car attempting to cover up something of destroy evidence of some sort.

excellent point man, and that does make alot of sense...

552 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:35:42pm
553 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:35:51pm

re: #524 right wing zephyr
Because you add nothing to the discussion.

554 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:36:03pm
555 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:36:33pm

re: #505 Killgore Trout

Also notice the second pic of the two guys lounging at #367 was taken before Fadel's car caught fire.

And not a single drop of blood in sight. Hmmmmm.

556 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:36:37pm

re: #546 Ben Hur

Or a better pic.
Here's a classic:
[Link: www.seconddraft.org...]

journaljism at it's best eh?

557 jcm  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:37:02pm

re: #541 galloping granny

Fire department here does not use water on cars. The foam crap.

Waste of tax money, foams expensive. Fully involved car fire with proper application I used less than 100 gallons of water. I've only seen a couple of ruptured gas tanks, using just water spray controlled and put it out.

A gas tanker, another story.

558 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:37:36pm

newsjunkie_ky

Listen to this when you have a chance

it will give MUCH insight

good to get the book too

these articles will help establish much of my POV

Articles (Full-Text) by Dore Gold:

BBL

559 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:37:58pm
560 bosforus  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:38:13pm

re: #501 MandyManners

I bet it knocked the air out of him.

yeah, and probably a couple years of life.

561 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:38:15pm

re: #558 BabbaZee

I addressed you earlier.

562 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:38:52pm

OH!
{SELPAW!}

Hail , Oh Galled Bladder of Zion!

/back to the grill

563 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:39:13pm

Abbas is scum.

564 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:39:44pm

re: #561 Ben Hur

I addressed you earlier.

{Judah}
so sorry
I missed it
I am doing ten things at once here and trying to leave the room
Whatever it was ...
I love ya

BBL

565 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:40:04pm

re: #506 newsjunkie_ky

Are we not defending Israel by keeping muslims from 'wiping Her off the face of the Earth'?
All I'm saying (and all I have said) is that WE do not know all that is needed to know to keep the muslim nations from coming together and raining all kinds of war upon Israel.

I think you have a point...to the extent that we can't be certain that all this sweet talk to the Palis isn't part of a strategic plan in response to developing events. We may hope that this is what the schmoozing is about.
But even if it were purely calculated, I question it. This is a propaganda war that we are enaged in. Words are of crucial importance.
Whatever gains you might think you're getting are offset by legitimizing thugs.
There is nothing we need more in the counter-jihad than plain thinking and plain speech. Well, I don't expect that to come from diplomats. But I don't expect them to muddy the waters as much as Palis and the MSM do, either.

566 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:40:31pm
Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and avoid any actions that prejudice final negotiations. and world leaders should withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian ruler who fails his people and betrays their cause.


UN speech.
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Let's see now. Daily humiliation of the poor Palestinian people! Dismantle unathorized outposts, settlement freeze
AND.......

world leaders should withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian ruler who fails his people and betrays their cause.

Ok, there you have it. Abbas has not betrayed his people for he is doing exactly as his people want and that is the plan to wipe Israel right off the map!

Congratulations! Post 9-11, War on Terror

REWARD FOR TERROR

ALIVE AND WELL.

567 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:41:26pm

Moving on...

568 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:41:44pm

re: #553 newsjunkie_ky

I stand opposed to your Defend-Bush-at-all-costs statements and denounce them. I also mock you repeatedly for having made those statements, which were stupid.

How can you say I'm adding nothing?

569 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:42:27pm

re: #522 loppyd

I had not had any experience with them before, but I had heard bad things...

I think a lot of people envision the hell hole from Born on the Fourth of July.

That is great about your dad's care!

That's a generation ago.
VA hospitals are about the only thing that's improved since then!
(But it still depends on which VA. Some are excellent. Some lousy. Most so-so.)

570 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:42:28pm

re: #561 Ben Hur

I addressed you earlier.

she's grilling something scrumptious for suppah....

571 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:43:24pm

re: #569 wolfie

That's a generation ago.
VA hospitals are about the only thing that's improved since then!
(But it still depends on which VA. Some are excellent. Some lousy. Most so-so.)

here in OKC, they are apparently pretty crappy. My dad is excited that he finally left the VA.

572 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:43:56pm

Just saying, killgore, Ben Hur, Galloping Granny and all you others - you're the tops!
Because you put your finger on why somethings stinks, dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's.
Thats what got me hooked on this blog in the first place - and now you've done it again.

Just knowing in one's guts that something isn't right is not enough - one needs evidence, and you are using their stage-managed photos against them, providing just that: brilliant!

Thanks.

573 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:46:09pm

re: #558 BabbaZee
Thanks, I'll listen.
Not able to see well enough to read books, and I doubt this is available through the Library of Congress Talking Library. They are woefully behind the times on books of this genre. It is hard to get any conservative books and the wait is two to three years.

574 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:46:24pm

re: #562 BabbaZee

As thought the case I made in #523 is simply much to hard to swallow.

sleep to dream


indeed.

575 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:48:34pm

re: #565 wolfie
Thanks. I wish it were not so that we had to deal with the scum, but I fear it is necessary.

576 wolfie  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:48:48pm

re: #573 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, I'll listen.
Not able to see well enough to read books, and I doubt this is available through the Library of Congress Talking Library. They are woefully behind the times on books of this genre. It is hard to get any conservative books and the wait is two to three years.

Dore Gold is essential to understanding!

577 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:50:19pm

re: #568 right wing zephyr

Because you have added nothing. And I ask you to find where I wrote that I 'defend Bush at all costs'?

578 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:50:56pm

re: #482 Killgore Trout

Here's another oddity to the story: Here's the pic of Fadel and his buddy lying next to the car. The blood on the ground indicates that's where they were hit. Aside from the blood the ground isn't wet. The car didn't catch fire until after the bodies were removed as seen here. Why would they burn the cameraman's car? Maybe it caught fire on it's own after the bodies were removed but I find that unlikely.

Looking at those pictures, I do believe the entire thing was staged. The truck looks like it merely was in an auto accident, and the blood pool under the guy in the first photgraph somehow just doesn't fit. There's no blood on the guy they are picking up. And, if there was so much blood for the first guy, then why is there no similar pool of blood under the second guy (further away in the picture).

In addition, it the truck had caught fire, there should be smoke eminating from it in the first photo. There is no such smoke. It had to have been set fire to after the first photo was taken.

I've seen too many auto accidents during my commutes, and that truck looks like the victim of an accident (or an overzealous guy with a baseball bat). Has it really been hit with a missile, there'd be nothing left.

579 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:51:09pm
580 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:51:21pm

re: #573 newsjunkie_ky

[BLINK]

AND

to add insult to injury,

and relevant to the discussion

The Dr. Kevorkian Method of American Jewish Support for Israel


GTFOH!

581 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:51:36pm

Light anti-tank weapons vs. civilian car.

The weapon is a Carl Gustaf 84mm recoilless. Almost half the size of the Merkava's 120mm main gun.

DEEPER
COVER,
R

582 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:53:43pm

re: #547 Vergeltung

Having a helluva time linking to that slideshow. I wonder if they're yanking pix as fast as we link them?

SAVED,
R

583 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:54:05pm

re: #580 BabbaZee
Thanks, If I find $52 lying around I'll buy it.

584 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:54:21pm
585 loppyd  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:54:30pm

Heading home....

Have a good night, Lizard Nation.

Thanks for the prayers.

586 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 1:54:33pm

re: #582 Render

Having a helluva time linking to that slideshow. I wonder if they're yanking pix as fast as we link them?

SAVED,
R

Could be, Render.

Being caught in the act of fauxtography sucks.

587 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:04:47pm

re: #583 newsjunkie_ky


If I find $52 lying around I'll buy it.



Believe me I understand

If I was still working I would buy it FOR you.

I tell you from the bottom of my heart
what we are doing vis-a-vis Israel
is not based in righteousness, there is nothing intelligent or noble about it, there is no secret master plan in place, we are not "protecting" Israel , we will not "strike" at some opportune moment..

We are effectively throwing Israel under a bus, slowly but surely. I have seen it developing for years, and only now is the preponderance of evidence overwhelming enough that I don't get eaten alive here for saying it anymore.

Our
actions
in
this
have
dire
consequences.

In both the spiritual and the natural.


gotta go ~ can't come back for a while now

have a good night

588 selpaw  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:12:12pm

re: #587 BabbaZee


Our
actions
in
this
have
dire
consequences.

In both the spiritual and the natural.

You can say that again!

589 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:14:07pm

(Babba),
R

590 persian shoe  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:25:02pm

re: #400 MandyManners

Mandy,

Where did you get my picture?
Do you think the turban makes me look fat?

591 right wing zephyr  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:44:53pm

re: #290 Opinionated

Just so the readers don't misunderstand you, lets make it clear.

You are defending Bush on the proposition that dead Jews and the destruction of Israel is a fair price to pay for "peace".

If that in and of itself doesn't make you despicable and questions what you're doing on LGF, lets judge you intelligence.

Is there peace in the World?

Is that policy leading to peace? Does a new terrorist State equal peace in your convoluted logic?

re: #195 re: #213 opinionated

Stupid me.

To keep the world from war, Bush has to arm and train and fund and support the barbarians who strive to murder Jews 24/7 and aim to destroy Israel?

If that's the price, your opinion is, Ok then.

re: #577 newsjunkie_ky

re: #195 newsjunkie_ky

You are not privy to what Bush has to do to keep the world from full on war. When you know all the little things and big things that are necessary to ease world tensions, then you might actually know something.

re: #259 newsjunkie_ky

When you are POTUS, then you can do it your way. The US has to sleep with many devils (and has throughout it's history) to keep World Peace.

newsjunkie_ky

You are not privy to what Bush has to do to keep the world from full on war. When you know all the little things and big things that are necessary to ease world tensions, then you might actually know something.

592 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:45:13pm

re: #585 loppyd

Late to the thread....I pray that all turns out well, and you are right re the VA hospitals' giving excellent care..

593 Render  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 2:46:15pm

I'm going to take my mortar attack gone worse theory even further.

As the pix linked by Kilgore show, the photobugs car is in a low spot on that road. There is a high dirt berm with ground cover on both sides of the road.

Tank rounds don't go around corners, they go through them. A top-attack ATGM, (like the Israeli LAHAT), has a very distinctive firing signature when it goes into its vertical mode. Whatever hit that car came straight down and was small enough to not leave an impact crater.

While modern thermal sights can see through foliage, I don't think we, (or the Israelis), have a thermal sight that can see through solid ground, yet.

60mm or 82mm mortar round - or a grenade in the back of the car after the victims were removed.

DOINK,
R

594 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 3:31:49pm

re: #499 Ben Hur

The shit your smoking is soooo much better than my shit, apparently.

We already have a poster with the nic Hermeneutics.....


Hermeneutics, Herman Munster....whatever


They

(the Christians who SWORE TO GOD to Establish and Obey His Laws in their new land, AMERICA)

volunteered for what you inherited by blood.

They wrote a Covenant to the GOD of Abraham in the Mayflower Compact based on the Noahide Laws and they swore obedience to Him in this land.

You may not take that seriously but I assure you Hashem does.

Words have consequences too.

He has protected us, so long as our Land is dedicated to Him.

As we draw away from Him we loose that protection. We FORFEIT it.

America is founded on an all volunteer covenant with the same GOD that bound Israel to Himself at Sinai.

I am not stoned.

Are you busting my balls..
or does the root choose to deny the branch?

595 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 3:33:12pm

re: #589 Render

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596 Tigger2005  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 5:35:08pm

If American Indians decided to bring back certain aspects of their culture, like, say, ripping the hearts out of still-living victims to appease their war god, or dashing the heads of their enemies' babies against rocks, or taking captives and torturing and burning them to death, well, what could we say? We do diplomacy with people who honor people who mass murder unarmed innocents.

And unlike American Indians, who at least had the excuse of really being primitives, the Palestinians are truly evil, nihilistic barbarians. They pretend to be civilized people, and they know what is expected of civilized people by the civilized world, but they CHOOSE to be monstrous barbarians instead.

597 perlster  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:31:26am

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